Navy Seals raid on Daesh in yemen on the weekend. What went wrong

[bob10]

What Went Wrong? Inside the Yemen SEAL Raid - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-went-wrong-inside-yemen-seal-raid-n716216?cid=eml_nbn_20170202)

[PhilipA]

If you sleep with dogs you get fleas. It is the father's fault that the child was there not the raiding force.

Regards Philip A

[bob10]

If you sleep with dogs you get fleas. It is the father's fault that the child was there not the raiding force.

Regards Philip A

Thanks Philip, but that is not the point I was trying to make.

[PhilipA]

Well ISIS propaganda ably assisted by all the "useful idiots " of the World media seem to have publicised this as the main point in the raid.

I wonder how many kids were killed by ISIS on that day, or in the Ukraine.

What point were you trying to make? That often these things go pear shaped or that the Yanks are pretty poor at this type of thing ?

Publicising and giving oxygen to this type of thing just acts over time to sway public opinion against military action which may be necessary to save hundreds of lives in the future. eg ISIS terrorism plans.( intel being the objective of the raid)
Regards Philip A

[ramblingboy42]

I don't really know how high to rate the seals, but during a special forces exercise a few years my section was guarding a "high interest political prisoner" and the seals were attempting to snatch him from us.

My section, half composed of "green" soldiers...ie limited experienced , brassed up their reconnaisance several times and the exercise commander called me up on the radio and asked me to relax my defences.

We were doing what any good infantry section would do in the circumstances, ie. patrolling and maintaining the security of our hide.

The commander insisted so I pulled back my men , went and sat in the unlocked CWA tearoom where we housed and kept the "prisoner" and played 500 and just let the famous seals storm the tearooms making heaps of noise and screaming at us. We tried to keep playing 500 but that ****ed them off and they tried to rough us up then.

They were so noisy when we had our defences up it was dead easy to see them and intercept them.

Australian soldiers in the same situation would be lucky to be seen or heard.

Thats just my point of view and a personal obvservation of seals.

[bob10]

I don't really know how high to rate the seals, but during a special forces exercise a few years my section was guarding a "high interest political prisoner" and the seals were attempting to snatch him from us.

My section, half composed of "green" soldiers...ie limited experienced , brassed up their reconnaisance several times and the exercise commander called me up on the radio and asked me to relax my defences.

We were doing what any good infantry section would do in the circumstances, ie. patrolling and maintaining the security of our hide.

The commander insisted so I pulled back my men , went and sat in the unlocked CWA tearoom where we housed and kept the "prisoner" and played 500 and just let the famous seals storm the tearooms making heaps of noise and screaming at us. We tried to keep playing 500 but that ****ed them off and they tried to rough us up then.

They were so noisy when we had our defences up it was dead easy to see them and intercept them.

Australian soldiers in the same situation would be lucky to be seen or heard.

Thats just my point of view and a personal obvservation of seals.

Agree totally. My experience as well.

[bob10]

Well ISIS propaganda ably assisted by all the "useful idiots " of the World media seem to have publicised this as the main point in the raid.

I wonder how many kids were killed by ISIS on that day, or in the Ukraine.

What point were you trying to make? That often these things go pear shaped or that the Yanks are pretty poor at this type of thing ?

Publicising and giving oxygen to this type of thing just acts over time to sway public opinion against military action which may be necessary to save hundreds of lives in the future. eg ISIS terrorism plans.( intel being the objective of the raid)
Regards Philip A

It is not wise to comment on something you may know little about.

[bob10]

Quite rightly called by Clint Eastwood, in a Hollywood version of an earlier US intervention in South America, it was indeed a cluster****.

Yemen Raid: Questions Swirl About Trump's First Military Operation : Parallels : NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/02/512490365/yemen-aftermath-trumps-first-military-raid-continues-to-raise-questions)

[PhilipA]

It is not wise to comment on something you may know little about.
Exactly my point Bob 10.
By posting you commented.
Thus my questions on what you were trying to achieve. I still don't know.
Regards Philip A

[ramblingboy42]

Exactly my point Bob 10.
By posting you commented.
Thus my questions on what you were trying to achieve. I still don't know.
Regards Philip A

Bob knows , I know , and I'm sure you do to.

[DiscoMick]

Well ISIS propaganda ably assisted by all the "useful idiots " of the World media seem to have publicised this as the main point in the raid.

I wonder how many kids were killed by ISIS on that day, or in the Ukraine.

What point were you trying to make? That often these things go pear shaped or that the Yanks are pretty poor at this type of thing ?

Publicising and giving oxygen to this type of thing just acts over time to sway public opinion against military action which may be necessary to save hundreds of lives in the future. eg ISIS terrorism plans.( intel being the objective of the raid)
Regards Philip A
I think I read that the people they attacked were actually on our side. Oops.

[DiscoMick]

I don't really know how high to rate the seals, but during a special forces exercise a few years my section was guarding a "high interest political prisoner" and the seals were attempting to snatch him from us.

My section, half composed of "green" soldiers...ie limited experienced , brassed up their reconnaisance several times and the exercise commander called me up on the radio and asked me to relax my defences.

We were doing what any good infantry section would do in the circumstances, ie. patrolling and maintaining the security of our hide.

The commander insisted so I pulled back my men , went and sat in the unlocked CWA tearoom where we housed and kept the "prisoner" and played 500 and just let the famous seals storm the tearooms making heaps of noise and screaming at us. We tried to keep playing 500 but that ****ed them off and they tried to rough us up then.

They were so noisy when we had our defences up it was dead easy to see them and intercept them.

Australian soldiers in the same situation would be lucky to be seen or heard.

Thats just my point of view and a personal obvservation of seals.
I've read similar stories about the Yanks in Vietnam, but I wasn't there. Maybe someone who was might have something to share.

[mekon76]

I think the other part of this is more the choosing of good bedfellows when running a joint op. Pretty sure Erik Prince (Blackwater) has a battalion setup in UAE to help the Emirati armed forces, mostly made up of foreigners.
Bit hard to trust.

They self destructed a downed Osprey, bit expensive. Sounds like a cluster all round.

[bob10]

No one will ever know but the people on the ground.

[bob10]

The other thing is, The US is arming the very people who orchestrated 9/11.

Inside the Yemen raid: Women al Qaeda fighters surprised US forces - CNNPolitics.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/us-raid-yemen/)

[bob10]

A stuff up. And loss of face.

Yemen Raid Had Secret Target: Al Qaeda Leader Qassim Al-Rimi - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/yemen-raid-had-secret-target-al-qaeda-leader-qassim-al-n717616?cid=eml_nbn_20170206)

[bob10]

I really hope Mr trumble doesn't commit any of the ADF to Trumps payback mission. I believe he will do most anything to save face, and while I have the utmost confidence in US special forces, I have very little in the Trump admi. to get it right.

What Went Wrong in Yemen? New Details on Deadly Raid That Left Navy SEAL Dead - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/what-went-wrong-in-yemen-new-details-on-deadly-raid-that-left-navy-seal-dead-868927043904)

[EastFreo]

From my perspective why do we always give America a hard time trying to beat an enemy that is out to get us all.

Mistakes get made on all sides but at least I do believe American soldiers try their best like ours do.

Personally I am thankful we have brave soldiers in both our countries still prepared to go out and tackle these enemies.

[bob10]

From my perspective why do we always give America a hard time trying to beat an enemy that is out to get us all.

Mistakes get made on all sides but at least I do believe American soldiers try their best like ours do.

Personally I am thankful we have brave soldiers in both our countries still prepared to go out and tackle these enemies.

No one is pointing the finger at the military. That has never been insinuated. This mission had been planned for many months, there must have been a reason the Obama administration hadn't given it the go ahead. I believe the Trump administration to be more reckless, and it is always the military who suffer.

[THE BOOGER]

Acording to Obama insiders the mission was delayed purely to wait for a moonless night I doubt Trump had very much to do with planning or execution of the mission at all;)

[bob10]

Acording to Obama insiders the mission was delayed purely to wait for a moonless night I doubt Trump had very much to do with planning or execution of the mission at all;)


And in three months there were no moonless nights? They surely wouldn't be setting Trump up for a fall, ? The mission does not happen without the C.I C's say so. Trump has said he does not need the weekly intelligence meeting, he is a disaster in waiting.

[bob10]

If we needed to recognise Mr Trumps ignorance of foreign affairs , look no further than this. Who is advising him , who is actually in charge.

Mother of backpacker slain in Australia slams Trump 'terror' list | The New Daily (http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/qld/2017/02/08/mother-backpacker-slain-australia-slams-trump-terror-list/?utm_source=Responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20170208_PM_Update)

[THE BOOGER]

If Obama was/is setting him up for a fall at the expence of UU military or civilian casualties that make even wores than Trump;)

[THE BOOGER]

The article you linked to 1 of the 2 was definatly a terrror attack (Curtis Cheng) and in the second attack the accused ran around shouting Alah akbar he may have had different ideas as to what he was doing but if it quacks like a duck it probably is but our goverments plural hate the T word;)

[bob10]

The article you linked to 1 of the 2 was definatly a terrror attack (Curtis Cheng) and in the second attack the accused ran around shouting Alah akbar he may have had different ideas as to what he was doing but if it quacks like a duck it probably is but our goverments plural hate the T word;)

Yes, indeed. But the point you miss is, all of these incidents were reported world wide. The duck was being treated for a mental illness. That's all from me.

[bob10]

Yemen SEAL Raid Has Yielded No Significant Intelligence: Officials - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/yemen-seal-raid-yielded-no-significant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451?cid=eml_nbn_20170227)

[ramblingboy42]

why am I not surprised?

I have posted my experience with navy seals previously.

[ramblingboy42]

Yemen is possibly the saddest nation on this planet at the moment...it's about to implode on itself.

Millions are starving. Famine is so widespread , authorities are unsure how to even attempt to do anything about it and frankly, no one really wants to.

[bob10]

That whole part of the Planet is running out of time.

Drought in Somalia: Time is Running Out | | Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/inpictures/2017/02/drought-somalia-time-running-170213111737077.html?utm_source=Al+Jazeera+English +Newsletter+%7C+Weekly&utm_campaign=e108eb788c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_02_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e427298a68-e108eb788c-225425297)