Redback's whoopsie! warning! twisted metal!

[discowhite]

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album17/524278155FoCYMO_ph.sized.jpg

Baz can explain the rest.
Appin was still a good day.

cheers phil

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">back already...?



how did yours hold together...?
any more clunks..?</span>

[discowhite]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how did yours hold together...?
any more clunks..?[/b][/quote]

the noise has left? dont know where it came from or
where it went, but it did go around the same time i started looking
for another landy??


phil

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by discowhite
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how did yours hold together...?
any more clunks..?

the noise has left? dont know where it came from or
where it went, but it did go around the same time i started looking
for another landy??


phil[/b][/quote]



<span style="color:blue">hmmm........interesting....



very interesting......</span>

[sniperator]

Originally posted by discowhite
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how did yours hold together...?
any more clunks..?

the noise has left? dont know where it came from or
where it went, but it did go around the same time i started looking
for another landy??


phil[/b][/quote]

Let us know when you put yours up for sale https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Ace]

The damage in the photo looks expensive. Was Redback the only casualty for the day? Matt

[Steinzy]

What actually happened???

looks like there is an interesting story behind it!

[Ace]

Originally posted by Steinzy
What actually happened???

looks like there is an interesting story behind it!


and i for one cant wait to here it.

Would Baz's right foot have had anything to do with it Phil?

[Steinzy]

Hmm... that good old right foot down technique can get you into alot of trouble with the misses if not used correctly

[Ace]

How did magic go guys? Its only his 3rd time off roading other than beach work. Matt

[Slunnie]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I was beside a truck when one of those let go on Sunday. Its a good bang, but a relief when you realise it was only a $300 propshaft and you can still drive home, as opposed to breaking a diff or axles.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by Slunnie
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I was beside a truck when one of those let go on Sunday. Its a good bang, but a relief when you realise it was only a $300 propshaft and you can still drive home, as opposed to breaking a diff or axles.



<span style="color:blue">its a relief when the back end breaks.....if the front end breaks it hits the ground
and catapaults the rear end....ripping out the diff and brake lines at the same time....
and all this just before it all goes through the fuel tank.......

just ask my ol' man.......(XB falcon wagon) </span>


<span style="color:green">now is redback gonna tell us what happened.....
or just keep letting the suspense build up.....?</span>

[Pedro_The_Swift]

building-- building-- 8O

[feral]

Must be shattered :cry: :cry:

Lyndon.

[Redback]

OK here's a better pic, B Davis is getting a nasty call monday.

http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/albums/bazzar/DSC08960.sized.jpg
http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/albums/bazzar/DSC08959.sized.jpg

And NO i wasn't heavy footed :twisted:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

not bad,, did nearly a full turn before letting go https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Slunnie]

Baz, do you know why it failed? We've broken a few in the bush, and they have all popped the uni joint in some way. I wonder if the shaft has been dented by a rock of something which creates a stress point, or is it on a manufacture point?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

hmm,
we used 'clutch paks' on each drive shaft,
and axels that WOULD twist 360degs then straighten,


and muds,, and bead loks,,

and 300hp,, and $10,000 gearboxes,,

and something still broke!!!





just not on a regular basis https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[sniperator]

I am uploading some photos now. Damn dial up.

It is only one film the other one not finished yet have to wait till xmas.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys
From the look of the picture the tailshaft has possibly hit the rocks whilst "torqued up".Its quite easy to twist a shaft when this happens,Ive done it twice once on a series landy and once in a tojo.
I would try and get it under warranty but wouldnt show them the pics.
Andrew

[Ace]

As the guys said, it looks as though something has hit it and weakened it at that point. Its unfortunate when stuff breaks but we will use our landies for their intended purpose, and on the odd occasion it is our turn to suffer the problems.

Why ring B Davis, was it an aftermarket shaft? Matt

[sniperator]

Photo's are in trip gallery or just click link bellow.


http://www.aulro.com/modules.php'set_album...=view_album.php (http://www.aulro.com/modules.php'set_albumName=Appin-17-12-05&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php)

[Redback]

We inspected the shaft and found no evidence of a dent, and if you look at the pic all that clearance is the begining of the climb up the rock ledge and the cross member is resting on the ledge this where it broke i didn't get up far enough for the shaft to hit anything.

If i hit the ledge with the shaft then yes i would take that but that didn't happen, it snapped at the bottom not halfway up.

Baz.

[LandyAndy]

Nice pics Sniperator.
That Series Landy looks a pretty tough bit of gear.
Andrew

[discowhite]

as far as i could see the shaft did not hit anything, if it did there would be
a sign of black paint on the rock. i looked before and after we moved the
disco, nothing, only skid marks from the cross member.

and the video evidence backs up the photo, shaft didnt get to the next
shelf to be damaged on.

plain and simple US bit of shaft.

anyway DW climbed straight up no prob's 8)

phil.

[101RRS]

I don't think my Freelander would have done very well climbing those rocks. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[seqfisho]

So Baz,

I'm pressumming you got your maxi in the rear and that the axles are as strong as ever :roll:

And you went to a double uni rear propshaft, and took out what you thought was the weakest link the rubber donut 8O :roll:

Was it a new or second hand propshaft?


Still does make for a great story and photo :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Redback]

Originally posted by seqfisho
So Baz,

I'm pressumming you got your maxi in the rear and that the axles are as strong as ever :roll:

And you went to a double uni rear propshaft, and took out what you thought was the weakest link the rubber donut 8O :roll:

Was it a new or second hand propshaft?


Still does make for a great story and photo :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

New according to Bruce Davis, he imports them from LR in the UK and are a genuine LR Disco 1 prop shaft 8O it would be interesting to see one from the same model D1, which is i believe a 94 to 99.

It would be interesting also to see if anyone has left there Rotoflex coupling on and not had a failure because as yet not even a mark on the rotoflex from using it without the locker.

Baz.

Baz.

[101RRS]

I replaced my rubber donut last week - 94 disco 1 update - car has only been used on the highway and done only 100,000k - old donut had huge cracks in it and would have broken with any decent load.

I suspect that with any decent workout, the donuts would not last - I think these should have been listed as a service item to be replaced every 60,000k or so and more often if the car is used in heavy duty environments.

Gazzz

[abaddonxi]

Hi

This link has some interesting pictures of broken prop shafts.
http://www.4xshaft.com/

It was on another thread a few months back.

Forget all that, it's easier just to link to the pic.


Cheers
Simon


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/27.jpg

[Steinzy]

I hope that all didn't happen to the same bloke - he wouldn't want to get in a car again!!! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Slunnie]

Originally posted by Redback+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redback)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-seqfisho
So Baz,

I'm pressumming you got your maxi in the rear and that the axles are as strong as ever :roll:

And you went to a double uni rear propshaft, and took out what you thought was the weakest link the rubber donut 8O :roll:

Was it a new or second hand propshaft?


Still does make for a great story and photo :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

New according to Bruce Davis, he imports them from LR in the UK and are a genuine LR Disco 1 prop shaft 8O it would be interesting to see one from the same model D1, which is i believe a 94 to 99.

It would be interesting also to see if anyone has left there Rotoflex coupling on and not had a failure because as yet not even a mark on the rotoflex from using it without the locker.

Baz.

Baz.[/b][/quote]
There are quite a few people running ARB lockers and the Rotoflex without drama. What breaks them on the D2 is big shock loads. With the D2 suspension geometry, lift doesn't affect them like it does the other Landys.

BTW, I have a factory D1 uni-uni tailshaft here if you want to look at it. I can take some pics.

[Redback]

Originally posted by Slunnie+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Slunnie)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Redback@
<!--QuoteBegin-seqfisho
So Baz,

I'm pressumming you got your maxi in the rear and that the axles are as strong as ever :roll:

And you went to a double uni rear propshaft, and took out what you thought was the weakest link the rubber donut 8O :roll:

Was it a new or second hand propshaft?


Still does make for a great story and photo :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

New according to Bruce Davis, he imports them from LR in the UK and are a genuine LR Disco 1 prop shaft 8O it would be interesting to see one from the same model D1, which is i believe a 94 to 99.

It would be interesting also to see if anyone has left there Rotoflex coupling on and not had a failure because as yet not even a mark on the rotoflex from using it without the locker.

Baz.

Baz.
There are quite a few people running ARB lockers and the Rotoflex without drama. What breaks them on the D2 is big shock loads. With the D2 suspension geometry, lift doesn't affect them like it does the other Landys.

BTW, I have a factory D1 uni-uni tailshaft here if you want to look at it. I can take some pics.[/b][/quote]

Mate that would be good thanks for that.

Have you researched a stronger shaft Simon and uni setup like the ones in the link on the previous page.
Looks pretty interesting the Double cardin rear shaft for big lifts.

[seqfisho]

Originally posted by Redback+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Redback)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-seqfisho
So Baz,

I'm pressumming you got your maxi in the rear and that the axles are as strong as ever :roll:

And you went to a double uni rear propshaft, and took out what you thought was the weakest link the rubber donut 8O :roll:

Was it a new or second hand propshaft?


Still does make for a great story and photo :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

New according to Bruce Davis, he imports them from LR in the UK and are a genuine LR Disco 1 prop shaft 8O it would be interesting to see one from the same model D1, which is i believe a 94 to 99.

It would be interesting also to see if anyone has left there Rotoflex coupling on and not had a failure because as yet not even a mark on the rotoflex from using it without the locker.

Baz.

Baz.[/b][/quote]

I'm going to run mine with the rotoflex and carry a spare and see how long it will last 8O

The guys at MR reckon they have done a few maxi installs and retained the roto

They said something along the lines of it acting like a fuse in the drivetrain, and easier to change out when in the bush than a broken uni or shaft, axle etc 8O


Sounds good in theory anyway :roll:

[Ace]

I replaced my rubber donut after the last BBQ i ripped it to shreds with all that snatch strap work.

What are the details on fender, is it a 100in hybrid, it looks to long for a 90 and to short for a 110, and the back wheels are ver close to the rear? Matt

[Slunnie]

Originally posted by seqfisho
I'm going to run mine with the rotoflex and carry a spare and see how long it will last 8O

The guys at MR reckon they have done a few maxi installs and retained the roto

They said something along the lines of it acting like a fuse in the drivetrain, and easier to change out when in the bush than a broken uni or shaft, axle etc 8O


Sounds good in theory anyway :roll:
I don't think they work as a fuse... well I've never seen a Rotoflex snap as such anyway. What I think they do well though, is absorb a lot of the initial shock loading which makes life easier on the other axle components. But, if the jolt is big enough, it sacrifices the Rotoflex.

They are pretty easy to change though, and it can be done in the bush. If the Rotoflex does completely fail, the shaft wont fall out either, unlike with a uni. The uni ultimately is a lot stronger though.

[Slunnie]

Originally posted by Redback
Have you researched a stronger shaft Simon and uni setup like the ones in the link on the previous page.
Looks pretty interesting the Double cardin rear shaft for big lifts.
Yep. It seems the big thing that makes it difficult to use a LC or Patrol shaft, is we are limited by the PCD of the flanges on the pinions and transfer case, which in turn limits the size of the unis, and then the shaft itself. It seems that the Landy unis are not to bad anyway, though the double cardins are undersized and break a fair bit, likewise the standard unis with high torque engines and big tyres.

At the moment Metropolitan Driveshafts are developing a larger Double cardin, made from Commodore unis, but that is still about 1 year away. Hardy-Spicer are about to release a Double cardin that is Landcruiser spec also, which is due for release in about mid Feb when they build up stock. My assumption is that if the DC's are available, then the uni flanges to suit the Rover PCD and larger uni joint will be available and so from there a larger uni and shaft can be built.

Then again, I suppose you could also machine up adaptors to fit a bigger shaft.

[Redback]

:oops:

[Redback]

Originally posted by Slunnie+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Slunnie)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Redback
Have you researched a stronger shaft Simon and uni setup like the ones in the link on the previous page.
Looks pretty interesting the Double cardin rear shaft for big lifts.
Yep. It seems the big thing that makes it difficult to use a LC or Patrol shaft, is we are limited by the PCD of the flanges on the pinions and transfer case, which in turn limits the size of the unis, and then the shaft itself. It seems that the Landy unis are not to bad anyway, though the double cardins are undersized and break a fair bit, likewise the standard unis with high torque engines and big tyres.

At the moment Metropolitan Driveshafts are developing a larger Double cardin, made from Commodore unis, but that is still about 1 year away. Hardy-Spicer are about to release a Double cardin that is Landcruiser spec also, which is due for release in about mid Feb when they build up stock. My assumption is that if the DC's are available, then the uni flanges to suit the Rover PCD and larger uni joint will be available and so from there a larger uni and shaft can be built.

Then again, I suppose you could also machine up adaptors to fit a bigger shaft.[/b][/quote]

http://www.4xshaft.com/
very interesting stuff in here

[Slunnie]

I have checked out the site, there is some nice stuff that they sell.

Sorry, here are the pics of the early D1 shaft.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/16.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/17.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/18.jpg

[Redback]

Originally posted by Slunnie
I have checked out the site, there is some nice stuff that they sell.

Sorry, here are the pics of the early D1 shaft.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/16.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/17.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2005/12/18.jpg

Well the unis look the same :roll: