Transmission tunnel problem

[Mustlust]

With the seat base installed and firewall bolted on, the transmission tunnel cover just fits in the gap between the two, however the gearstick base is hard forward against the cut-out aperture othe cover. This means the rubber boot doesn't fit and when placed on the stick, there is a 15mm gap on the seat side.
The chassis came with the gearbox bolted on and I simply bolted the engine to it. I've measured the outriggers against the dimensions in the manual and all looks ok. The engine mounts marry up with the engine no problems although looks like maybe the gearbox could move back just a little.
Any ideas why the tunnel cover is out of alignment?

[Johnno1969]

Maybe look at loosening all the engine and gearbox mounts (both sides of each mount) and trying to give the entire assembly a nudge rearward. With the tolerances of the various apertures into which the various bolts protrude, there may be enough collective adjuctment to move things back to where you want them.

John

[Johnno1969]

P.S. same goes for the bodywork. Always room for some adjustment... ;)

[Mustlust]

Thanks John,
I wondered if the whole drivetrain needed a good heave.
Will give it a go. I have both guards off as I'm doing the timing belt today, so no better time than the present.

[Mustlust]

Can't budge the drivetrain! A lot of effort for no gain.
Could the mounts have been moved when the engine was replaced by a Holden donk at some stage?

[Brisruss]

Something does not sound right. Do the holes on the transmission plate line up OK? How much clearance is there between the back of the motor and firewall? Are the doors OK alignment wise? Any shims on the bulkhead feet mounting?
Is this on the 86 or 2A? Perhaps a photo might help.

Cheers,
Russ

[mick88]

Do you have a Holden motor in it at present?
Check that the gearbox mounts are on their correct sides.
Also I think from memory this piece can be mistakenly put on the wrong side causing the gearbox to sit incorrectly.
Good Luck.


Cheers, Mick.

[Mustlust]

Here are some pics. You see that the gear stick saddle is touching the firewall section and there is no gap whatsoever. The second pic is the front mount and the last is the gearbox mount.

There previous owner fitted the gearbox and I wonder if the mounts are the wrong way around, they may have positioned it in the incorrect location.Is there an off-set to the gearbox mounts? By swapping them over, is it possible to pick up 15-20mm???

When bolting the mounts onto the 200tdi block, there are 2 sets of mounting bolt holes. The distance between these holes would be close to the distance I need to move the drive train rearwards.

[mick88]

Looking at the pics it appears non standard!
Normally the cross member is part of the chassis and the gearbox floats above that on the rubber mounts, however yours appears to have the cross member floating. You might need to get the "rat tail" file out and tweek a few holes to get the gearbox into position.
The cross member below is usually under the gearbox and part of the complete chassis unless it has been modified.
By the way, those mounts (rubber) are diesel engine mounts too!



Cheers, Mick.

[Mustlust]

Thanks for the message.
It's an ex army chassis, ex Holden motor....... And now has 200tdi plonked in front. Previous owner started the project and fitted gearbox and 2.5 TD motor without having fitted bulkhead. He upgraded the mounts for the turbo motor and gearbox, probably under advice from mechanic who rebuilt the gearbox.
I think that I will remove the seat base tomorrow and swap the gearbox mounts around to see if that makes a difference.

[mick88]

Military often modified the chassis with a removable cross member, however it still bolted up to the main chassis rails as far as I know. Others on here will have better and more accurate information about that.
Some info and pics in the two links below.
I have just been refurbishing a 2A 88 that has had a lot of mods done on it by a previous owner. It's annoying to say the least, when people get the welder or angle grinder out and do these basically permanent things, creating hardship and a lot of work for a future owners. In saying that I am fitting a non standard motor, but it's all bolt on, bolt off, mods.



http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-land-rovers/147112-gb-crossmember-converted-bolt.html

http://www.remlr.com/detailsmods1.html

Good luck.
Cheers, Mick.

[gromit]

Here are some pics. You see that the gear stick saddle is touching the firewall section and there is no gap whatsoever. The second pic is the front mount and the last is the gearbox mount.

There previous owner fitted the gearbox and I wonder if the mounts are the wrong way around, they may have positioned it in the incorrect location.Is there an off-set to the gearbox mounts? By swapping them over, is it possible to pick up 15-20mm???

When bolting the mounts onto the 200tdi block, there are 2 sets of mounting bolt holes. The distance between these holes would be close to the distance I need to move the drive train rearwards.

Looking at the second picture it looks like a modified mounting made for the Holden motor.
I've recently parted out a LWB fitted with a Holden motor and that mounting looks familiar. Has the previous owner tried to use the Holden mounts ?
To be honest I'm not sure whether the standard engine mounts take the 200Tdi motor but someone will know.

Looking at the first picture, the gearstick is sitting too high as well as too close to the bulkhead.

Seems the STD Series 2.25 engine mounts should work https://www.steveparkers.com/conversions/200-tdi-discovery-engine-conversion-kits-into-series-land-rovers/
Although thinking about it......if it's a Series III it would have had a 6-cylinder LR motor originally.


Colin

[Blknight.aus]

if you have the removable transmission mount member (not the cross member under the bell housing) turn that around.

Dont ask.

[chazza]

...
To be honest I'm not sure whether the standard engine mounts take the 200Tdi motor but someone will know.
...

Colin

The standard mounts bolt onto the 200tdi with no modifications needed.

If it has had a Holden motor fitted, investigate whether they moved the mounts on the chassis,

Cheers Charlie

[Mustlust]

Thanks everyone for the input.
Swapped over gearbox mounts and the whole thing came across and back to acceptable placement.
Lesson: always check previous owners work and never assume things were done to your standard or expectation.

Now...... If only I could release that seized harmonic balancer. Already turned the cheap puller from Autobarn into a banana. Just fabricated another out of real steel and waiting for Monday to buy longer bolts.

I heated the harm bal with a little flame without any effect. With the heat damage the rubber on the harm balancer, and have can I tell if it's be damaged?

Thanks gents,
Phillip