Domin8r X 12,000lb winch

[trout1105]

I am getting a new ARB Bull Bar that is winch capable fitted to my 2004 Disc2 in mid April, That's the soonest I can get this done at the ARB shop in Geraldton and have ordered a Domin8r x winch from that 4WD Supercentre Mob which is about $1,500 less than the equivalent sized Warn unit with the horrible wire rope fitted to it.
Has anyone here had any experiences with these Supercentre winches?
I have bought various other things from this Mob, A twin cylinder air pump (Thumper) a double swag and a few other things and the quality has been very good so far that's why I went with this particular winch.
I just hope I haven't wasted $500 here.

[fitzy]

Most winches fail through lack of maintenance, if you read even Warns spec it will say clean and inspect after wading and use in wet muddy conditions ie entering bog holes. Low mounts are hard to service so don't get much. High mounts are easier to service, although harder to fit.
They usually fail from water getting in.
It's a lot to expect a winch that maybe five years old but only used twice and never maintained to work faultlessly on the third use, if you follow.

[loanrangie]

For me i would be looking at Runva as these have a good name and a good warranty to match, my 25+ yo warn low mount sits low on my D1 and even after numerous muddy bog holes and being dipped in water it required very little work when i serviced it last year.
I doubt the cheap chinese ones will last as long.

[SPROVER]

I've had 2 winches from there now. I currently have the Grande winch and it's been faultless. And a good price. If you dunk it in the mud a lot just remember to service it. But that's the same with any other winch. Great value for the money. My first winch went with my other disco i sold. And that was worked really hard. Never gave me any trouble either.

[rangieman]

I've had 2 winches from there now. I currently have the Grande winch and it's been faultless. And a good price. If you dunk it in the mud a lot just remember to service it. But that's the same with any other winch. Great value for the money. My first winch went with my other disco i sold. And that was worked really hard. Never gave me any trouble either.

I have the same and has been dunked more times than i can remember and still works faultlessly[wink11].
Mind you when i got it i pulled it apart and made sure it was well greased and seemed to be fairly well made[thumbsupbig]

[trout1105]

The winch arrived today and I had to remove the gearbox to spin it 90 degrees to match the ARB Bullbar (When it finally arrives) it looks to be pretty solidly constructed But I won't know how good it is until I need to use it.
All the wiring is nice and chunky and it also has an isolator on the main positive cable that goes to the battery which will save me having to install my own which is good.
Now to await the Bullbar and then go and get myself "Stuck" so I can see how this puppy performs [smilebigeye]

[steveG]

The winch arrived today and I had to remove the gearbox to spin it 90 degrees to match the ARB Bullbar (When it finally arrives) it looks to be pretty solidly constructed But I won't know how good it is until I need to use it.
All the wiring is nice and chunky and it also has an isolator on the main positive cable that goes to the battery which will save me having to install my own which is good.
Now to await the Bullbar and then go and get myself "Stuck" so I can see how this puppy performs [smilebigeye]

I noticed on their website there's a note that care needs to be taken if the gearbox is rotated to make sure its sealed properly.
Is there some sort of a rubber seal, or is it just a sealant job?
Can it only be rotated in 90deg increments?

I'm seriously thinking about giving one of these a go since my Warn motor has crapped itself. My warn has the 4 bolts facing forward with the clutch lever at the back near the top so I'd definitely need to rotate the gearbox on one of these.

Steve

[Tins]

I really like mine. It has done all I ask of it, and the Dyneema rope seals the deal for me. Now I feel a bit of a ****head though. I have never been happy with the location of the clutch lever. Never occurred to me to rotate it.... Worried about warranty, I guess. :bangin:

In the words of a certain Oscar winning rabbit: "What a maroon!".

Oh yeah. The Thumper? Unless you are looking for something permanent, and your whole life is off road, it's brilliant. At the price you could carry two.

I have no experience with their canvas, but I'll bet my Mitchell swag etc. was made in the same factory, or one just like it.

I know that the Supercentre mob are unpopular. You need to ask why. I reckon I have a good idea. It has something to do with $$$$.

[trout1105]

Is there some sort of a rubber seal, or is it just a sealant job?
Can it only be rotated in 90deg increments?


There is a big rubber seal in there and yes it can only rotate at 90deg increments.
I had to rotate the clutch and the motor to ensure that the clutch was easily accessible and the electrical connections on the motor were in the best position when fitted to the bar.
Not a huge or fiddly job.


I know that the Supercentre mob are unpopular. You need to ask why. I reckon I have a good idea. It has something to do with $$$$.

Agreed.
The competition in the 4WD accessory market is rather fierce and whenever any new player enters the market and undercuts their competitors there will always be a lot of "Bagging" and Poo Pooing of their products especially from the established players.
As far as I am concerned the more 4WD distributers/manufacturers there are competing and price cutting to get their share of our money the better.
I have bought stuff from ARB and Supercentre and I haven't had any problems with either of their gear except for Supercentres insane shipping costs (I live in country WA and don't get the "Free" delivery option).



Oh yeah. The Thumper? Unless you are looking for something permanent, and your whole life is off road, it's brilliant. At the price you could carry two.

It IS a great bit of gear But the carry bag is pretty "Crap" the zipper on mine is buggered after only a couple of dozen uses and the pressure gauge/air filler is pretty annoying because you cant get a reading of the tyre pressure with the pump running.
I just replaced the filler/gauge and all is now good.

Edit;
I am in NO way affiliated with Supercentre or any other 4WD supplier, I am just another 4WD Bum like the rest of us here [thumbsupbig]

[loanrangie]

I am in NO way affiliated with Supercentre or any other 4WD supplier, I am just another 4WD Bum like the rest of us here [thumbsupbig]


I think the term you are looking for is " distinguished offroading gentleman " [smilebigeye].

[rangieman]

I noticed on their website there's a note that care needs to be taken if the gearbox is rotated to make sure its sealed properly.
Is there some sort of a rubber seal, or is it just a sealant job?
Can it only be rotated in 90deg increments?

I'm seriously thinking about giving one of these a go since my Warn motor has crapped itself. My warn has the 4 bolts facing forward with the clutch lever at the back near the top so I'd definitely need to rotate the gearbox on one of these.

Steve
Personally i would and speaking from experience and some serious winching over 3 years of ownership i am happy to give them a plug on the winch [thumbsupbig] And yes you can rotate it to where ever you want it [biggrin]
Just don`t get one of their 12v rattle guns[wink11]

[trout1105]

I think the term you are looking for is " distinguished offroading gentleman

HeHe
More like "The Old Fart that just pulled my Hilux out of the sand"[bigwhistle]
Many of us are Not blinded by brand names and look for value for money when we buy off road equipment and camping accessories.
The likes of ARB or TJM have had a Monopoly for a long time and it is Great to see other Players entering the market that can offer affordable and cost effective alternatives for us "distinguished offroading gentleman"[biggrin]

[Tins]

Many of us are Not blinded by brand names and look for value for money when we buy off road equipment and camping accessories.
The likes of ARB or TJM have had a Monopoly for a long time and it is Great to see other Players entering the market that can offer affordable and cost effective alternatives for us "distinguished offroading gentleman"[biggrin]

Indeed. There are a few here who seem to have unlimited budgets. Sure, in their world the stuff from this mob is not worth it, but the winches and driving lights etc, that they recommend are worth more than my car, and are well outside my, for what is basically a hobby, budget. The Domim8r winch I have now is, on appearances, better than the Warn XDXXXX it replaces, at about a fifth of the price. The previous winch let me and my son down to the point that we spent 8 hours trying to dig ourselves out, in precisely the situation that a winch is for.

Sure, a RENVA ( is that right? ) may last a bit longer, but if I service my Domin8r as they say, and run the rope out so often, surely it will do what I want it to do, which is get me out of a hole that poor driving got me into? Hopefully that won't be too often.

[CountryHonk]

Hi All

I'm about to rip into a service of my old XD9000 and would like to replace the scratchy old cable with some nice blue rope. Can anyone recommend where to buy this?

Has anyone tried "Dyneema" branded or is the hundred dollar 2 mile roll of similar looking stuff from China okay? I mean, the branded gear could very well come out the same factory door as the cheaper Chinesey alternative.

If youtube recovery videos are anything to go by, I'd reckon the Chinese synthetic rope could be thoroughly tried and improved or at least tried ...

[trout1105]

Make sure that the rope has a SK75 rating and you should be good to go.
I noticed in the specs for the Dominator that it didn't say that the rope was SK75 So I replaced it.
This only cost me $120 for 30m of 10mm rope with a 10,800kg breaking strain, The original rope supplied by Supercenter was 9.5mm 26m and the breaking strain wasn't specified.

[Tank]

Make sure that the rope has a SK75 rating and you should be good to go.
I noticed in the specs for the Dominator that it didn't say that the rope was SK75 So I replaced it.
This only cost me $120 for 30m of 10mm rope with a 10,800kg breaking strain, The original rope supplied by Supercenter was 9.5mm 26m and the breaking strain wasn't specified.

You should NEVER work your rope to it's advertised Breaking Strain (BS), it only takes a few nicks and frayed fibres to Halve (or more) the advertised BS, Safe Working Load (SWL) and Working Load Limit (WLL) are designed as a Safety Factor (SF) and these are the loads you should work to, not the Advertised BS,
In your case the BS of 10800kg BS with a SF of 6 (Gen. Purpose SF) your SWL is 1.8 Tonne, load or shock load your rope above this level and you risk damage or worse, injury, Regards Frank.

[trout1105]

The 12.000lb winch only pulls at a maximum of 5.45 tonne on the first layer of rope and on the 4th layer it is at 3.125 tonne, I figure a rope with a BS of 10.8 tonne is safe enough as long as you don't shock load it by trying to tow at the same time as winching.
Even IF the rope broke it would be a far safer situation to a steel rope breaking because the dyneema doesn't stretch to the same extent as the steel cable, This makes the synthetic rope a far safer option.
As with all lifting gear including snatch straps they should be inspected before EVERY use and if in doubt then don't use it and replace it.
I carry spare SK75 winch ropes just in case I bugger the one on the winch up and they also make excellent extensions as well.
As far as I am concerned a winch recovery is a far safer procedure than a "Snatch" recovery because there is much more "Control" when a winch is used.

[Tank]

The 12.000lb winch only pulls at a maximum of 5.45 tonne on the first layer of rope and on the 4th layer it is at 3.125 tonne, toI figure a rope with a BS of 10.8 nne is safe enough as long as you don't shock load it by trying to tow at the same time as winching.
Even IF the rope broke it would be a far safer situation to a steel rope breaking because the dyneema doesn't stretch to the same extent as the steel cable, This makes the synthetic rope a far safer option.
As with all lifting gear including snatch straps they should be inspected before EVERY use and if in doubt then don't use it and replace it.
I carry spare SK75 winch ropes just in case I bugger the one on the winch up and they also make excellent extensions as well.
As far as I am concerned a winch recovery is a far safer procedure than a "Snatch" recovery because there is much more "Control" when a winch is used.

Wire winch rope does not stretch anywhere near as much as a Dyneema rope, when dyneema rope breaks it flys back (get on to U-Tube and look up some videos of wire rope and Dyneema destruction tests or Google it) and I wouldn't like it to hit me in the face, steel wire rope does not fly back, it unravels and it is the small wires unravelling that do the damage, at least while winching you will get a warning from steel wire rope when you see it start to unravel.
I used to, as a Rigger build wire and rope slings (Nylon type rope was illegal to use for lifting back then because of it's stretch) and I used to have to test the rope (wire) to destruction, we (Vickers Cockatoo Sydney) had one of the largest test beds in Australia at that time) had to test all of our wire and never have I seen a wire rope stretch enough to cause flyback, the only stretching is the strands of wire settling into their final position the wire itself does not stretch, not that can be measured anyway . What I'm trying to get across to you and others is That BS is only valid BEFORE you use the rope, as soon as this rope is put into service the BS no longer applies the rope is forever changed and detioriating from the first use THAT is why a SF is used to compensate for USE and ABUSE and normal wear and tear, for instance if you don't wash and remove all of the grit from mud out of your rope the BS of the rope could be below it's actual SWL, WLL,heat and sunlight will also degrade Dyneema rope, in the type of winching and recovery I do a Dyneema rope would be useless and I would have to replace after each recovery (I have a 4WD recovery service on the South Coast of NSW), I have to sometimes skull drag rolled over 4WD's up out of ravines or gullies and no Dyneema rope would do the job without getting damaged to a point where it is dangerous, Regards Frank

[trout1105]

Dyneema is the same stuff that braided fishing line is made from = Bugger all stretch, We are Not talking Nylon ropes here.
Some of the braided winch ropes are NOT SK75 rated and they probably will stretch and have elasticity, The SK75 ropes DO stretch out because they are a braided rope and that gets taken up under strain but they have bugger all "Elasticity" and don't fly back like a giant rubber band.
Steel cable is more "Robust" But after a while it gets kinked up and gets those nasty little wire bits sticking out of it that will tear through even a leather glove and steel also has elastic properties under strain and if it snaps it WILL come flying back.
I'll stick to my Dyneema thank you, Steel cable is too heavy, dangerous and just plain "Nasty" to use.

[Tank]

Dyneema is the same stuff that braided fishing line is made from = Bugger all stretch, We are Not talking Nylon ropes here.
Some of the braided winch ropes are NOT SK75 rated and they probably will stretch and have elasticity, The SK75 ropes DO stretch out because they are a braided rope and that gets taken up under strain but they have bugger all "Elasticity" and don't fly back like a giant rubber band.
Steel cable is more "Robust" But after a while it gets kinked up and gets those nasty little wire bits sticking out of it that will tear through even a leather glove and steel also has elastic properties under strain and if it snaps it WILL come flying back.
I'll stick to my Dyneema thank you, Steel cable is too heavy, dangerous and just plain "Nasty" to use.

Dyneema rope VS steel rope - strength test - break test - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDJ3QjvRZT0)

Maybe you should get the facts right before you make such wide ranging statements go to the Youtube Video above.
You will note the loud crack when the Dyneema rope breaks, that is the crack made by the flying ends of the dyneema rope.
Also you will note that one end of the wire rope is held together with Bulldog clips, totally illegal except for standing rigging like hand rail cables, never to be used for load bearing and installed incorrectly, you will note that the wire cable broke at the point of the incorrectly fitted clip.
I have never seen a wire cable fly back like you describe, ever, how do you explain the dyneema rope disappearing from view and the only reason wire ropes get "kinked" and broken wires is because people abuse it, a dyneema rope will fail well before a wire rope if abused like a wire rope.
I have a 17,000lb Runva hydraulic winch with 30m of 16mm 7 strand winch cable, with a full load on the hook it was wound back in then run out again and measured again it was less than an inch longer, so where is this bull**** elasticity you are so concerned about<regards Frank.

[trout1105]

I can remember Many Many similar negative arguments about Braided fishing line when it was first introduced and now most fishermen have reels loaded up with braid.
If you are winching correctly and are using a winch dampener correctly then regardless of what type of rope you are using there shouldn't be any safety issues.
The same diameter Dyneema is stronger than steel cable of the same diameter, I would think that this alone would make Dyneema a safer option to use.
Maybe in your situation where you are dragging trucks up out of cliffs and gully's where abrasion can be problematic then the steel rope is most likely the best option But most of us don't do that sort of thing with our winches and our recoveries are not that dramatic.
I think it all would boil down to our personal choices and each to their own.

[Tank]

I can remember Many Many similar negative arguments about Braided fishing line when it was first introduced and now most fishermen have reels loaded up with braid.
If you are winching correctly and are using a winch dampener correctly then regardless of what type of rope you are using there shouldn't be any safety issues.
The same diameter Dyneema is stronger than steel cable of the same diameter, I would think that this alone would make Dyneema a safer option to use.
Maybe in your situation where you are dragging trucks up out of cliffs and gully's where abrasion can be problematic then the steel rope is most likely the best option But most of us don't do that sort of thing with our winches and our recoveries are not that dramatic.
I think it all would boil down to our personal choices and each to their own.

Did you have a look at the Utube video, what a farce what sort of comparison test is it when you fit illegal clips and also fit them incorrectly, the way that bulldog clip was fitted caused the rope to break and if you watched it you will note that the wire cable did not fly apart or recoil.
Mythbusters did a whole show on how wire cable acts as a scythe when it snapped, totally busted the only way they could get the wire rope to cut their dummy (pig carcase) was to wrap the wire cable around the pig attach to a car and drive off, I don't mind or care if you don't like my advice, all I ask is that before you poo-pah my advice do some research first, Regards Frank.
BTW where are the Negative Comments supposedly made by me about Dyneema rope, except for the fact that it would be next to useless for the type of winching that I do, don't credit me for something I have not done, I only offered readily available advice on the dangers of using the BS to work by, as explained by having a Safety Factor, i.e. SWL or WLL.

[trout1105]

I did watch that video and I have also done the research on Dyneema, Spectra and Plasma synthetics used for winching operations and I am unconvinced that a steel winch rope is the better option.
Here are a few links.

Synthetic Rope v Steel Cable on Winches - Ironman 4x4 (http://www.ironman4x4.com/news/synthetic-rope-v-steel-cable-on-winches)

Synthetic Winch Rope versus Steel Wire (http://www.outbackcrossing.com.au/FourWheelDrive/Synthetic-Winch-Rope_versus_Steel.shtml)

Winch Rope Sk75 Synthetic Fibre 9mm x 50m 4WD Recovery - $295.00 : Winch Rope!, Free Shipping (http://winchrope.com.au/index.php'main_page=product_info&products_id=199)

[Tank]

I did watch that video and I have also done the research on Dyneema, Spectra and Plasma synthetics used for winching operations and I am unconvinced that a steel winch rope is the better option.
Here are a few links.

Synthetic Rope v Steel Cable on Winches - Ironman 4x4 (http://www.ironman4x4.com/news/synthetic-rope-v-steel-cable-on-winches)

Synthetic Winch Rope versus Steel Wire (http://www.outbackcrossing.com.au/FourWheelDrive/Synthetic-Winch-Rope_versus_Steel.shtml)

Winch Rope Sk75 Synthetic Fibre 9mm x 50m 4WD Recovery - $295.00 : Winch Rope!, Free Shipping (http://winchrope.com.au/index.php'main_page=product_info&products_id=199)

Absolute crap, did you and these clowns that are hawking their (Vested interest) rope see with your own eyes, as I did in the destruction test the recoil of the Dyneema rope and do you really believe that wire rope is elastic, in other word the wire stretches and then returns to it's original length, physically impossible, if you stretch a bit of metal it stays stretched, no memory unlike Dyneema.
Mythbusters show on Fox totally busted this ridiculous myth that breaking wire rope recoils and will cut you in half, so much bull****, they could not
get their wire rope to snap and cut through the air like a scythe, why because wire rope is not elastic.
Imagine what it would be like riding in an elevator with wire rope that stretched or trying to lift a load with a crane, it just does not happen, you and these ****** flogging Dyneema have been watching too many Hollywood movies, simple, NO elasticity, NO recoil, Regards Frank.

[trout1105]

In one of the All4 adventure "Out Take" videos when they were coming out of Truscott and Simon got stuck in the Creek the synthetic rope snapped because Jason used his rear winch with the camper trailer still attached and the rope got cut on the trailer.
The rope just dropped to the ground even though the stupid Buggers didn't have a winch dampener deployed and no one got hurt even though Jase was standing next to the rope at the time.

Like I said "Each to their own", You are obviously not a "Fan" of Synthetic rope and that is just Fine by Me But I Do prefer the synthetics along with quite a few other winch owners.
Why is it that Warn charges significantly more for a winch fitted with Dyneema than it does for the same winch fitted with wire?
One would assume that the better option would be the more expensive one, Runva and Iron Man also charge a premium for the Synthetic option as well.
I don't know why you are getting so upset about this everyone can choose which rope they prefer to use, Both types have their good and Bad points So it just boils down to a personal choice at the end of the day.

[Tank]

In one of the All4 adventure "Out Take" videos when they were coming out of Truscott and Simon got stuck in the Creek the synthetic rope snapped because Jason used his rear winch with the camper trailer still attached and the rope got cut on the trailer.
The rope just dropped to the ground even though the stupid Buggers didn't have a winch dampener deployed and no one got hurt even though Jase was standing next to the rope at the time.

Like I said "Each to their own", You are obviously not a "Fan" of Synthetic rope and that is just Fine by Me But I Do prefer the synthetics along with quite a few other winch owners.
Why is it that Warn charges significantly more for a winch fitted with Dyneema than it does for the same winch fitted with wire?
One would assume that the better option would be the more expensive one, Runva and Iron Man also charge a premium for the Synthetic option as well.
I don't know why you are getting so upset about this everyone can choose which rope they prefer to use, Both types have their good and Bad points So it just boils down to a personal choice at the end of the day.

Actually I do like Dyneema winch rope, I will be fitting it to the winch on my car trailer, reason, it doesn't "bird nest" when there is no load when spooling out, like wire rope does, the drum on this 2.5 tonne winch is too small (Dia.) for wire rope.
The point I'm trying to get across that you should only believe half of what you see and nothing you hear, there are so many false and dangerous methods sprouted by people who heard it from a mate of a mate of the bloke that lives down the street.
You hear it often enough and people start to think it must be correct, well in most cases it is total and utter bull****, you need to work recovery (read Rigging) gear according to the rules, those rules are based on the Laws of Physics and are designed to protect you and others, BS of a rope or cable should never ever be considered, as I said prev. BS is only useful to know BEFORE it ever gets used, because from Minute 1 of use the BS no longer applies, divide your BS by 6 and that will give you a Safe method of working, Regards Frank.

[Johnno_p]

The biggest BS is calling all synthetic winch ropes "Dyneema"
Dyneema is a brand of synthetic fibre made in the Netherlands.
The synthetic rope on the 4WD Supercentre is not from the Netherlands but a Chinese version which may or may not be suitable.

The issue I have with the 4WD Supercentre is the lack of customer support and the large variance of quality within the same products.

The end of the day, regular use of a winch even if it's just in your driveway spooling some cable/rope out and powering it in will help dispel any moisture and keep your winch in a good working order.
Also if you are going out on a trip where there is a good chance you might need your winch, test it at home to ensure its working correctly before you really need it.

[trout1105]

The point I'm trying to get across that you should only believe half of what you see and nothing you hear,

I fully agree with that [thumbsupbig]
I have used both wire and synthetic and I believe that the wire rope would outlive the synthetic rope, However the ease of use and the safety factors that come from using the synthetic product outweigh the longevity factor of the wire.


The synthetic rope on the 4WD Supercentre is not from the Netherlands but a Chinese version which may or may not be suitable.

I agree.
There are NO specs given on the winch rope that comes with the 4WD Supercentre winches, I changed mine out for an SK75 rated rope.

[Johnno_p]

I have used both wire and synthetic and I believe that the wire rope would outlive the synthetic rope

Disagree sorry.
Steel cable very easily loosens on the drum when you spool it out and is near on impossible to not winch over the top of loose cable which kinks and damages the cable from the very first use.
It's easy to ruin a cable on one outing yet it will take many uses of the synthetic rope to start to damage it

[trout1105]

A wire rope doesn't degrade in the sun and it survives abrasion a lot better than the synthetic ropes, This is why I think that the steel rope is more durable.
A loosely spooled synthetic rope will get damaged under load as well, There are pro's and Con's for both types of ropes But personally I prefer the synthetic ropes.
If you make a habit of checking your winch rope when you get back to camp or town after you have used it you will avoid having a failure due to a faulty rope and a synthetic rope is far easier to replace if damaged than a curled up gnarly steel rope [thumbsupbig]

Getting back to the Dominator winches, I haven't had mine for very long But has anyone had an Epic failure with one of these that isn't due to a lack of maintenance ?

[Johnno_p]

I know of a few places that won't fit them as they have had some that didn't work straight out of the box.
I would suggest that anyone that buys one to test it first and be aware that if you get a 4WD shop to fit and something goes wrong with the winch you would also have to pay to have it removed and if it needs to be sent back you would also have to pay the freight.

[NavyDiver]

Absolute crap, did you and these clowns that are hawking their (Vested interest) rope see with your own eyes, as I did in the destruction test the recoil of the Dyneema rope and do you really believe that wire rope is elastic, in other word the wire stretches and then returns to it's original length, physically impossible, if you stretch a bit of metal it stays stretched, no memory unlike Dyneema.Mythbusters show on Fox totally busted this ridiculous myth that breaking wire rope recoils and will cut you in half, so much bull****, they could not get their wire rope to snap and cut through the air like a scythe, why because wire rope is not elastic.Imagine what it would be like riding in an elevator with wire rope that stretched or trying to lift a load with a crane, it just does not happen, you and these ****** flogging Dyneema have been watching too many Hollywood movies, simple, NO elasticity, NO recoil, Regards Frank.Have seen anchor lines broken and the whip back killing and maiming people I am not at all convinced. Steel links significantly larger than our cables with 100s of tonnes of weight applied can and do come back in a hurry. Breaking of rig anchor chain. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPnzjGNEXFo)Mate of mine is missing a few ribs. Honest

[Tank]

That chain had to be connected to a Nylon rope, it just takes commonsense to to see the chain recoiled from where it was connected to, if there is no stretch in the steel links where does the energy come from to throw a chain like that, certainly not from the chain, impossible, Regards Frank.

[NavyDiver]

That chain had to be connected to a Nylon rope, it just takes commonsense to to see the chain recoiled from where it was connected to, if there is no stretch in the steel links where does the energy come from to throw a chain like that, certainly not from the chain, impossible, Regards Frank.I am not a scientist but have seen fencing wire stretch to breaking point and past with significant recoil as many of us have. The Tugs towing a decommissioned warship may have been using towing hawsers connected to the anchor chain which are huge links in the incident I mention. The injury and death from the chain was on the ship a long way from the tug and with several cable lengths of the chain out (a cable is about 600ft) . The chain recoiled hitting my mate on his chest and breaking another guy who were both metres away from the lay of the cable. If the line broke and it was the only part stretched I cannot see how it could possibly push chain links. Just because you cannot see tension doesn't mean it is not there perhaps?On wire consider Thermal Expansion and Contraction. The coefficient of linear expansion (∝) of steel wire rope is0.0000125 = (12.5 x10-6) per oC and therefore the changein length of 1 metre of rope produced by a temperaturechange of t oC would be;Change in length ∆| = ∝ |o twhere:∝ = coefficient of linear expansion|o = original length of rope (m)t = temperature change (oC)The change will be an increase in length if the temperaturerises and a decrease in length if the temperature falls. ref The page cannot be found (http://www.bridon.com/china/x/downloads/steel_technical.pdfIt) occurs due to heat or cold. The same you know occurs with steel as we used to cold to freeze fit or heat fit many steel parts.Tension and does impart energy to almost all mediums. I have been breaking some huge rocks with a few little chisels and a hammer. The imparted energy and fairly loud crack when they split is due to the relatively insignificant pressure I can impart. My thoughts is rope wins for several reasons for me. I won with my rocks

[Vinnie]

My mechanic has had 2 of the Dominator winches on his Patrol. Both have failed, but he said this was due to the control box frying (so to speak) because of water. He gave up on them but one of his mechanics has got the new Dominator X and he says that it looks like the control box is much better quality than previous models. He did say he never had a problem with the winch itself, just the control box.

Vinnie

[Pub247]

Just got back from 7 days in high country Did mt Sunday road including 6 hours of winching 3 cars with dominator winches. I have an Dominator x only issue i had is the rope spinning on the drum.the rope clamp and bolt came out. This is due to the rope not being wound onto drum under load (probably mine/our fault for not doing it 1st and taking too much off drum in 2nd pull) . Other than i used it 4 times myself over 7 days and its paid for itself already.

Suggestion if you buy one unspool and feed it back onto drum properly under load.

[trout1105]

Suggestion if you buy one unspool and feed it back onto drum properly under load.
That applies to Any winch that has new synthetic rope fitted, Otherwise the rope won't grip the drum and all the force is applied to the little bolt that attaches the rope to the winch drum and it WILL fail.
It's pretty easy to preload the rope just find a gentle slope and winch the truck up it to preload the new rope, Do this and it wont fail [thumbsupbig]

[trout1105]

I have just swapped out the Un rated Hook that came with my replacement SK75 winch rope with a Winch Shackle Mount that is rated at 16,000lb or 7.25 tonne.
I have had a look at various hooks on different winches and None of them are rated, Is this the "Norm"?

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[trout1105]

I have had this winch for a couple of years now and the only problem I have had is the battery in the remote failed and I had to replace it.
I could still use the winch But I couldn't operate it wirelessly until I replaced the battery.
I have done about 80k since fitting the winch and have used it countless times and it has worked flawlessly every time.
I run the rope out about once a month and about 6 months ago I pulled the winch out to service it and the grease (which I replaced anyway) was still in great condition with No corrosion evident inside the gearbox and motor.
The synthetic rope is still serviceable without any nicks or burns in it and it doesn't appear to have any UV damage as it is still the same colour as the spare rope I carry.
I am actually that impressed with the winch that I have just ordered another one to fit onto my Navara[thumbsupbig]

[Robmacca]

I have had this winch for a couple of years now and the only problem I have had is the battery in the remote failed and I had to replace it.
I could still use the winch But I couldn't operate it wirelessly until I replaced the battery.
I have done about 80k since fitting the winch and have used it countless times and it has worked flawlessly every time.
I run the rope out about once a month and about 6 months ago I pulled the winch out to service it and the grease (which I replaced anyway) was still in great condition with No corrosion evident inside the gearbox and motor.
The synthetic rope is still serviceable without any nicks or burns in it and it doesn't appear to have any UV damage as it is still the same colour as the spare rope I carry.
I am actually that impressed with the winch that I have just ordered another one to fit onto my Navara[thumbsupbig]


Cool... Good to know as that's what I stuck on the front of my old Defender.... but I'm yet to use it ;)

[austastar]

.... when dyneema rope breaks it flys back (get on to U-Tube and look up some videos of wire rope and Dyneema destruction tests or Google it) and I wouldn't like it to hit me in the face,....

I was surprised to read that, so I did google it.

YouTube (https://youtu.be/XkM8brVK7cU)

I doubt the Dyneema would be as tough as the wire though (as mentioned in the vid) but it suits my usage. Just so much easier to handle than steel which means I'm happy to replace it after a few uses. (keeps me out of places I don't have the skills for)

Cheers

[trout1105]

So after 5 years of much use and annual services the Domin8tor winch is still in perfect working condition[thumbsupbig]
I have just finished yet another service and there was zero corrosion in either the gearbox or the motor.
I did replace the synthetic rope, Not because the old one was buggered But because I had a new one on hand and decided to replace it anyway.
The drum itself did have some rust on it ( I noticed this when I replaced the rope) But nothing a bit of a light sand and a lick of paint couldn't fix.

All in all I am pretty pleased with the performance of this winch and for the pittance I paid for it I am pleasantly surprised at its longivety[bigrolf]