Range Rover Velar

[Roverlord off road spares]

Range Rover Velar first pictures (http://www.news.com.au/technology/range-rover-unveils-another-stunner-with-the-velar/news-story/05614d9d9751398de71d258cb1c7a198)

[ATH]

I too got an email from LRA about this thing. I deleted it as it's of no interest to me. Just another hairdressers vehicle which although it may well be a nice vehicle, it won't look as nice when it's been where Deafener has been or where the D4 will be going in the future .......
AlanH.

[Tote]

It looks like a RRS with all the off road capability removed... Is this a correct assumption?

Regards,
Tote

[Roverlord off road spares]

Purists of the Proper Range Rover will not like it, they are wacking Range Rover Badges on just about everything now days. [bawl]

[DiscoMick]

I like it as a styling exercise, but the rear roofline wouldn't leave much headroom in the back.

[Roverlord off road spares]

It looks like a RRS with all the off road capability removed... Is this a correct assumption?

Regards,
Tote
Quote from NEWS COM. AU
The Velar will be equipped with Range Rover’s latest and most advanced off-road tech but the company says on-road handling was an equally high priority during development. Coping with those showroom floors shouldn’t be a problem …

[Grentarc]

It looks like a RRS with all the off road capability removed... Is this a correct assumption?

Regards,
Tote
It has 10mm more ground clearance than a D4, just no low range. Fantastic for beach runs etc..

[ozscott]

It has 10mm more ground clearance than a D4, just no low range. Fantastic for beach runs etc..
Fantastic for soft dry sandy beaches isn't a word I would use. The word I would use would get picked up by the swearing filter.

Fantastic for beach runs if you mean getting to the beach (carpark).
[emoji16]

Cheers

[scarry]

Another vehicle that shows where the company is heading....

[VladTepes]

I saw this and wondered what it was.

What platform is it based on - Evoque/Disco Sport or Disco/RR Sport?


A Land Rover with no low range - FAIL !!!!!

[Grentarc]

I saw this and wondered what it was.

What platform is it based on - Evoque/Disco Sport or Disco/RR Sport?


A Land Rover with no low range - FAIL !!!!!
Not based on any of those, based on the Jaguar F-Pace

[BobD]

Almost identical chassis dimensions to the FPace but the boot is bigger and the body is slightly longer, although it is also lighter than the FPace with a lower GVM. The ground clearance is identical with coils but the air sprung version of the Velar is higher.

They both have the tiny little 66l fuel tank but maybe it is bigger on the more powerful versions of the engines.

I think the Velar has the D4 type centre ediff but the FPace has a different one with drive biased to the rear.

[Grentarc]

I think the Velar has the D4 type centre ediff but the FPace has a different one with drive biased to the rear.

The Velar has the same rear biased with on demand 50/50 all wheel drive.
The Velar also has the rear e-diff as an option

[BobD]

Justin,

This is what I read in the brochure:

"Uniquely developed to meet Range Rover Velar’s requirements, the highly durable transfer box uses an electro-mechanically activated multi-plate wet clutch to deliver smooth and precise distribution to the front and rear wheels. This ensures the constant optimisation is imperceptible from the cabin and available engine torque is maximised to give efficient vehicle traction. IDD determines the required distribution by continually monitoring the vehicle and its interaction with the road.

Typically starting with a 50:50 distribution to ensure maximum controlled stability from the first vehicle movement, the system has the full capability of 100 percent rear bias to 100 percent front bias should road conditions require it. Predictive, as well as reactive, the system helps prevent losing traction as well as working to regain it."

This starts at 50:50, which is different to the FPace brochure, which makes a point of the rear bias and can get up to 50:50 when required. To me, this looks like a diff (50:50) with the clutch pack lock up like the D4 transfer case but the FPAce is some different sort of system, possibly Haldex or something like that.

I could be completely wrong, but that was how I read the above.

[Grentarc]

Justin,

This is what I read in the brochure:

"Uniquely developed to meet Range Rover Velar’s requirements, the highly durable transfer box uses an electro-mechanically activated multi-plate wet clutch to deliver smooth and precise distribution to the front and rear wheels. This ensures the constant optimisation is imperceptible from the cabin and available engine torque is maximised to give efficient vehicle traction. IDD determines the required distribution by continually monitoring the vehicle and its interaction with the road.

Typically starting with a 50:50 distribution to ensure maximum controlled stability from the first vehicle movement, the system has the full capability of 100 percent rear bias to 100 percent front bias should road conditions require it. Predictive, as well as reactive, the system helps prevent losing traction as well as working to regain it."

This starts at 50:50, which is different to the FPace brochure, which makes a point of the rear bias and can get up to 50:50 when required. To me, this looks like a diff (50:50) with the clutch pack lock up like the D4 transfer case but the FPAce is some different sort of system, possibly Haldex or something like that.

I could be completely wrong, but that was how I read the above.
That is different to the one I read that stated it was 100% rear and would dial in up to 50/50 front/rear as required.. I will see if I can link that one for you

[BobD]

Here is the FPace version:

"The F-PACE All Wheel Drive (AWD) system delivers confident handling on most surfaces. At its heart is an extremely fast-reacting, compact transfer case with integrated Intelligent Driveline Dynamics (IDD) software. Exclusively developed by Jaguar, the unique IDD software features sophisticated algorithms designed to react intelligently to road conditions for traction on demand. Whenever greater traction is needed, IDD is designed to transfer the right amount of torque to the front wheels - a process that takes no more then 165 milliseconds. Offering a smoother drive, the system also consumes less fuel and has lower emissions than permanent AWD. Predictive, as well as reactive, the system helps prevent you from losing traction instead of working to regain it5. On F-PACE derivatives fitted with Adaptive Dynamics*, the Adaptive Surface Response (AdSR) is designed to recognize differences between surfaces to exploit the maximum available grip. Drawing on the unrivalled expertise of Jaguar Land Rover All Wheel Drive systems, AdSR constantly monitors the car's environment and adjusts the appropriate engine and brake settings5. Once selected, AdSR works to support you in adverse weather and across most challenging surfaces."

The diagrams show normal 90% rear and 10% front but it can also get 90% front and 10% rear if the rear has low traction. This is the same principle as a Trutrac limited slip diff so it probably has something like that instead of a locking diff, like the Velar.

[Grentarc]

I just tried to find the site I read it, but couldn't find it again. I found some that said rear e-diff is standard and others say an option, so no trusting anything these days!

I did find this on the LR brochure

"the highly durable transfer box uses an electro-mechanically activated multi-plate wet clutch to deliver smooth and precise distribution to the front and rear wheels. "

"IDD determines the required distribution by continually monitoring the vehicle and its interaction with the road. Typically starting with a 50:50 distribution to ensure maximum controlled stability from the first vehicle movement, the system has the full capability of 100 percent rear bias to 100 percent front bias should road conditions require it. Predictive, as well as reactive, the system helps prevent losing traction as well as working to regain it."

It is the same system the F-Pace has, but starts off at 50:50 instead of 90:10

[rar110]

Most of the current RRSs have no low range. I rarely use low range, instead use TR, torque and power to get me through particularly on the beach.

The FL2 and Evoque are ok in many off road situations where reasonable traction is required. The Velar sounds more advanced than those. Basically it sounds a cheaper equally capable vehicle than the RRS without low range.

[BobD]

Justin, you posted the same thing I did!!

Anyway, they are set up differently by whatever means LR uses, but FPace only gets a max of 90:10 whereas Velar gets 100:0 if required.

Re the Velar being a possibly more capable car then a RRS with no low range, don't forget it only weighs 1829kg as well, with the same 700Nm diesel available and adjustable air suspension, so it should go really well in sand, if anyone actually uses it like that. It also has an optional rear ediff, which the RRS doesn't seem to get any more.

We'll have to wait for Gordon to get one to try out its 4WD ability when he replaces his RRS or maybe his D4!!

[SBD4]

lack of low range comes home to roost when there is a need for low speed, high load work for extended periods such as long rutted climbs. The transmission will likely overheat.

[Grentarc]

Justin, you posted the same thing I did!!


Yes, I know - I trust the LR document over the motoring websites that tend to get changed without notice when they correct erroneous information.

[VladTepes]

Hmm, not being in a position to afford anything even approaching a high tech Land/Range Rover thingy I am out of the loop since the L322 (RR) and D3 Disco days....

I am a Defender 300Tdi dinosaur - low range, mechanical controls, solid axles, cheaper price tags, cheaper servicing.

And just SLIGHTLY less comfortable and powerful as an on-road vehicle hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :lol2:

[rar110]

Hmm, not being in a position to afford anything even approaching a high tech Land/Range Rover thingy I am out of the loop since the L322 (RR) and D3 Disco days....

I am a Defender 300Tdi dinosaur - low range, mechanical controls, solid axles, cheaper price tags, cheaper servicing.

And just SLIGHTLY less comfortable and powerful as an on-road vehicle hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :lol2:

You haven't driven a L322.

[Roverlord off road spares]

I saw this and wondered what it was.

What platform is it based on - Evoque/Disco Sport or Disco/RR Sport?


A Land Rover with no low range - FAIL !!!!!
The lastest Land Rover ad on TV promotes the Evoque for Town !

[VladTepes]

Yeah well, I'll stay a Tdi Defender owner then !

[rar110]

Yeah well, I'll stay a Tdi Defender owner then !

I'm not knocking a 300tdi. I might have misunderstood the tone/context of the SLIGHTLY comment. I considered the 110 front seats pretty good. The L322 is just a very different comfort level to a 110.

I still have an illogical attachment to the deregistered Perentie wagon in the backyard.

[VladTepes]

"slightly" was indeed very tongue-in-cheek.l

I'd love an L322. I drove Traxide's TD6 back in the day and was well impressed.