Buying engine oil

[bob2s]

Hi All
Trying to buy oil to do an engine oil change on the D4 ,and so far not having any luck in finding any one selling the recommended Castrol edge professional C1 5W30 .Would the collective brains of this forum enlighten me as to som e place that I can purchase from in the Sydney area.
Thanks Bob

[Declan]

Have a look at this link Castrol EDGE 5W30 A3 B4 Engine Oil 20L 3383344 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Castrol-EDGE-5W30-A3-B4-Engine-Oil-20L-3383344-/162329121976?hash=item25cb91d4b8:g:QfwAAOSwAuZX4eZ V)

Cheers Dec.

[ATH]

When you've found it make sure your sitting down before you ring for a price..... and it only comes in 20ltr drums although that may vary between states. [bigsad]
AlanH.

[DiscoJeffster]

Repco can supposedly get it for you as a special order. I've settled on using Penrite Enviro+ C4 which is C1 compatible and change it more regularly. I'm still paying $189 for 20L of that though.

[bob2s]

Thanks ,
Rang castrol and found out that they only sell to trade, so spoke to shell and they say most outlets dont stock Shell ultra professional AF 5W 30 and if i wanted some Blackwoods will get it in for you at $114/ 5lts Gulp! so will look at other alternatives
Who thought that getting engine oil would be so bl--dy hard?

[Russrobe]

Repco can supposedly get it for you as a special order. I've settled on using Penrite Enviro+ C4 which is C1 compatible and change it more regularly. I'm still paying $189 for 20L of that though.
This if what i ended up with too.
As recommended by LR mechanic in Perth.

[Graeme]

C1/C4 oils are only required if a DPF is fitted, otherwise use A5/B5 in 5W30. I get 20L drums of Castrol Magnatec Professional A5 5W30 from the local Castrol distributor, being the local co-op who have it on their shop shelves. This oil is also B5.

[Colin Pedersen]

if you have an Autopro near, they sell the Penrite Envoro + Fully Synthetic off the shelf and affordable. If you ask the staff, thye look it up and receommend teh correct oil so thers no mistake. Penrite also provide an engine warranty which made me feel better....but I've kepy all the reciepts!

Been using it for 4 years now and all good

Col.

[LGM]

I purchase my D4 Castrol engine oil in the 20l drum from my local BP depot.......they sure don't miss you with the price but I have never had a problem obtaining it.

LGM

[cruiseh]

Ive been using Nulon. Obviously, my disco doesnt have a DPF, but regardless, i use this one Full Synthetic 5W-30 Diesel Formula Long Life Engine Oil - Nulon Products Australia (https://www.nulon.com.au/products/Diesel_Engine_Oils/Full_Synthetic_5W-30_Diesel_Formula_Long_Life_Engine_Oil) its available at Costco, 6Lt for $49

[jonesy63]

Another readily available A5/B5 oil (for those without a DPF) is Valvoline SynPower FE 5W30.

http://www.valvoline.com.au/explore-our-products/all-products/engine-oil/passenger-car-motor-oil/synpower-fe-5w30-synthetic-engine-oil

I usually grab it when on sale at Autobarn, Repco and Supercheap.

[scarry]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
what he said,also comes in handy 5l containers[smilebigeye]

[bob2s]

Many thanks for all the alternatives, once again the collective knowledge of this forum has come to the fore

[Kandy]

Have a look at this link Castrol EDGE 5W30 A3 B4 Engine Oil 20L 3383344 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Castrol-EDGE-5W30-A3-B4-Engine-Oil-20L-3383344-/162329121976?hash=item25cb91d4b8:g:QfwAAOSwAuZX4eZ V)

Cheers Dec.

Not the right specs for D4.
Yes, difficult to get the right stuff (Castrol Professional A5 5-30W... no DPF ), tried Repco and Castrol replied as above ,trade only, ha.(was quoted $380/20l!!!
Eventual success with Maxi Parts in Bris. as they get all the stuff for trucks. I think their a national franchise, Just over $300/20l drum.

[Graeme]

$250 / 20L for the Castrol oil at my local co-op last October.

[DiscoJeffster]

So of interest, the previous owner of mine got servicing done at Barbagallo's. They quote using Castro Magnatec Professional C3 5W/40 on recent invoices. Now I know how these systems work (related to the industry) which means all service content is prepopulated and default for service types, but it does make me wonder, are they actually using that spec oil, or is it that someone didn't know what to put into the coding for the services? I know most newer oil standards are backward compatible however given the sensitivity of the LR engines and dropping bearings, I've not risked it.

[DiscoJeffster]

Well I've not risked it, but maybe they have on my behalf in its previous life!

[bob2s]

Well finally found out that Blackwoods Sydney pricing of $114/5lt pack was no longer valid as they could not supply the Shell ultra professional AF 5W30 in 5lt packs and going by the price i can understand why, but they said that they can supply it in 20 lt containers for $220 delivered. As this oil meets the Land Rover /Jag spec i will be using this in future.

[Kandy]

Well finally found out that Blackwoods Sydney pricing of $114/5lt pack was no longer valid as they could not supply the Shell ultra professional AF 5W30 in 5lt packs and going by the price i can understand why, but they said that they can supply it in 20 lt containers for $220 delivered. As this oil meets the Land Rover /Jag spec i will be using this in future.

I needed a slight top up a while ago so had to use this oil (about 250ml only), 5 litres $88 from Repco, but I stay with the CastrolA5 as this is what the dealer use so while under warranty they can do their service and Ill do mine in between.

[PRS]

Make sure you get a 5W30 A5B5 oil. Ford specification WSS-M2C913-C. This suits the non DPF engines.
There are many options available. Google 5W30 A5B5 oil.

One option and available in 5L or 20L and about $10.00 /L is Syntegra A5B5 5W30 | Prolube Lubricants (http://prolube.com.au/shop/syntegra-synthetic-oils/syntegra-a5b5-5w30/)
Paul

[Declan]

Hello lads
This oil here Titan GT1 Pro C1 530 4L Fuchs is good for the D4 with the DPF & without and is $43 for 4 liters and is available from this link Titan GT1 Pro C1 530 4L Fuchs (http://www.redpoint.com.au/product/4896-titan-gt1-pro-c1-530-4l-fuchs) so no more chasing around to find oil.

Cheers Dec.

[PRS]

Thanks Declan for the link to the Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro C1 oil, which is suited for DPF and non DPF engines.

Just a further comment. My recollection is the oils suited for DPF engines have a lower level of some of the preferred ingredients, in order to not destroy/extend the life the DPF.
Would appreciate comment from anyone in the know.
Paul

[DiscoJeffster]

Well Barbagallo's in Perth (LR Dealer) lost using Shell C3 5W-40 in my D4 3.0L so I don't think it's as critical as made out, OR, their service tool doesn't reflect the actual product used. Neither and both wouldn't surprise me.

[vbrab]

IF your car is out of warranty and you don't have to use what dealers are flogging to protect the "warranty", Have used Penrite 5w-40 full synthetic "enviro", and nil issues after 380k.
Repco periodically sell it on "special" in 20L at about <$8L, and I am aware that there are lot of D3's running on same oil without issue. Why pay more?

[rar110]

380,000km is impressive. [emoji106]Have you used it since new and what service interval?

[swarover]

Hi All,

Useful to hear of others' oil choices and experiences.

I'm using Castrol Edge 5W 30 A3 B4 in my 05 D3 TDV6, change it every 12,000 km, all fine thus far at 406,000 km. Been using this oil since 180,000 km, before this the dealer serviced it with their LR brew. BTW, I get the oil at Repco, where the price is reasonable.

Cheers,

[LRD414]

all fine thus far at 406,000 km.
Wow, that's impressive. Still original motor and gearbox?

Regards,
Scott

[swarover]

Hi Scott,

Yes, all original, the vast majority of those km are long trips. Its also a manual gearbox, which don't suffer the internal pressures and constraints of the autos.

Nathan

[PerthDisco]

Hi Scott,

Yes, all original, the vast majority of those km are long trips. Its also a manual gearbox, which don't suffer the internal pressures and constraints of the autos.

Nathan

:TakeABow:

[Kandy]

:MileStone: fantastic longevity, a manual?? geeez do they still make them ? ( I believe Merc Benz stopped yonks ago) Modern oils are fantastic , Im sure most of us "hands on guys" change too often but so what, cheap insurance for a long life. Ill probably stick with Castrol now for the D4, (Nulon for the Td5 engine, Castrol Transmax for the auto and Redline Shockproof for diffs , 280K and going strong), their all good stuff, price irrelevant.

[Camel]

I see this is available on special at the moment. Can the collective wisdom of AULRO confirm that it is suitable for a nonDPF 3.0L SDV6?

Penrite Full Synthetic Engine Oil - 5W-30, 6 Litre - Supercheap Auto (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Penrite-Full-Synthetic-Engine-Oil-5W-30-6-Litre/348768'menuFrom=1021652)


Camel

[DiscoJeffster]

I see this is available on special at the moment. Can the collective wisdom of AULRO confirm that it is suitable for a nonDPF 3.0L SDV6?

Penrite Full Synthetic Engine Oil - 5W-30, 6 Litre - Supercheap Auto (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Penrite-Full-Synthetic-Engine-Oil-5W-30-6-Litre/348768'menuFrom=1021652)


Camel

Yes it is.

[rick130]

Thanks Declan for the link to the Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro C1 oil, which is suited for DPF and non DPF engines.

Just a further comment. My recollection is the oils suited for DPF engines have a lower level of some of the preferred ingredients, in order to not destroy/extend the life the DPF.
Would appreciate comment from anyone in the know.
Paul

This is a bit of a furphy, along the lines of you need a minimum 1500ppm of ZDDP or your cam will fail with older engines.

Different additives are used that don't contaminate the DPF, ie. the metallic ash additives are lowered considerably.
The lowering of metallic ash has been happening for the last twenty years, and yet diesel engine oils have, for the most part, become more robust, with less engine wear being exhibited with better detergency and dispersency than ever before.

Additives such as tin napthanate and boron based additives are being used for anti-wear and EP protection that are actually better but much more expensive than old school stuff like ZDDP.
Of course metallurgy and surface treatments are changing to help too.

[Grappler]

Been using Total Quartz 9000 Future NFC A5W-30 in both in TDV6 2.7 and Puma 2.2 (non DPF )

Costs less than $40 for 5 litre

See this for specs and Ford compliance

FORD Engine Oil - Oil for FORD |Total Lubricants (http://www.lubricants.total.com/professionals/car-dealers/car-dealers-ford.html)

[AGRO]

Hi ,

My indi recommends 5W-40 for Australian conditions.

Does the attached Penrite 5W-40 meet the WSS-M2C913-B OR C spec published by JLR for the LR4 TDV6 2.7L non DPF?

Cannot see the WSS-M2C913-B or C oil specification mentioned anywhere on the label.

Thanks

[DiscoJeffster]

Cannot see the WSS-M2C913-B oil specification mentioned anywhere on the label.

Thanks

I think you’ve answered this yourself?

[crawal]

Been using Total Quartz 9000 Future NFC A5W-30 in both in TDV6 2.7 and Puma 2.2 (non DPF )

Costs less than $40 for 5 litre

See this for specs and Ford compliance

FORD Engine Oil - Oil for FORD |Total Lubricants (http://www.lubricants.total.com/professionals/car-dealers/car-dealers-ford.html)

I too have been using Total oils in all the vehicles , even the bar and chain is great .Great tech advice at the Melbourne office if your local guy cant help.
just about to go and change the oil in my disco 3

[ATH]

Just had my 20K service done by the independent I use and he recommends the Penrite Enviro C4. I also used that as the oil for the in between service at 10K. It's also the choice for other indies I've spoken to so good enough for me.
Met a bloke today who has his done by the book...... by the stealer! Reckons that's the way to go for him but I did tell him there was no way I'd let any of all the cars I've had over the years to have the oil unchanged for that amount of kays. He says he's happy so.....
AlanH.

[DiscoJeffster]

Just had my 20K service done by the independent I use and he recommends the Penrite Enviro C4. I also used that as the oil for the in between service at 10K. It's also the choice for other indies I've spoken to so good enough for me.
Met a bloke today who has his done by the book...... by the stealer! Reckons that's the way to go for him but I did tell him there was no way I'd let any of all the cars I've had over the years to have the oil unchanged for that amount of kays. He says he's happy so.....
AlanH.

Hi Alan,
I'm curious. What is it you hope to achieve by servicing every 10K KM? I'm being honest not facetious with the question. My vehicle, by the previous owner, was serviced by the dealer intervals for its first 200K KM. I'm now running arduous servicing intervals as I tow and go off-road, so I'm changing it around 10-12K KM. I also use the enviro c4.
What I'm getting at is you choose to spend money servicing it to make it last I presume, but I'm curious of your opinion of value? Is this based on a certain number of KM you expect to get out of the engine? What is your expectation, honestly? What KM would you consider you've done ok and your interval was worthwhile? I ask this as so many people criticise the factory intervals but have no clear expectation of what they hope to achieve, other than a perception that the factory is wrong? So is 200,000km good? 300,000km?, 500,000km?

Cheers,
Jeff

[ATH]

I'm just hoping that having reasonably fresh oil in the engine will at least stop the relatively rare (thankfully) main bearings seizing etc. I've always done the same sort of thing ever since having my first car, a Ford Consul.
Oil is cheap insurance as far as I'm concerned. Over servicing it may be but as I do tow a van, albeit a very light one compared to some of the behemoths being towed around, I still feel it's worthwhile.
AlanH.

[Lukeis]

Rather than changing all the oil would there be any benefit to changing the filter more frequently?
Cheaper and better for the environment but I suppose the question is how effective is the filter
Really?!

[DiscoJeffster]

Rather than changing all the oil would there be any benefit to changing the filter more frequently?
Cheaper and better for the environment but I suppose the question is how effective is the filter
Really?!

No. The oil is more important than the filter, plus filters improve filtering capability as they capture content until the point they’re saturated and lead to restriction. Remember the old days when you did oil every 5,000 and filter every 10,000km? Oil was the weak link. I have some good material somewhere of a filter’s filtering capability versus captured content versus age and how changing filters too often can have a negative affect overall.

[AGRO]

Hi,

When I first got my vehicle new 2.7 MY11, it came as a Corporate buy with "Free" Servicing for 3yrs at 24000km Intervals.

Ha Ha. Had to pay for the intermediate "Oil Service" that was strongly recommended by the Dealer.

However, when I look at the <JLR 14 70 21_1E> Discovery 4/LR4 MY11, Non 3.0TDV6 Maintenance Check List the recommended service intervals are for quote "normal driving, road and climatic conditions" the following is recommended.

NORMAL DRIVING CONDITIONS

Oil Service @ 12000km
A Service @ 24000km
Oil Service @ 36000km
B Service @ 48000km



and

When I look at the <JLR 14 68 21_3E> Discovery 4/LR4 Non 3.0 TDV6 MY11, ARDUOUS, Maintenance Check List the recommended service intervals are for quote "arduous driving, road and climatic conditions"

ARDUOUS DRIVING CONDITIONS
Oil Service @ 6000km
A Service @ 12000km
Oil Service @ 18000km
B Service @ 24000km

10000km interval oil servicing seems a reasonable compromise especially when LR recommend higher frequency of servicing may be necessary if:=

"the vehicle is subject to stop/start driving, extremes of temperature, dusty conditions, off road driving or frequent towing of trailers".

Seems to me that LR really haven't specified or recommended long service intervals any way?????

[rick130]

Rather than changing all the oil would there be any benefit to changing the filter more frequently?
Cheaper and better for the environment but I suppose the question is how effective is the filter
Really?!No, as Jeff had already said, although that's not how oil/hydraulic filters work, unlike air filters.

The bottom line is that full flow oil filters are pretty coarse, there is a stack of stuff in here by isuzurover on filtration.
Ben is a filtration research engineer, do a search, you will learn a lot.

Anyway, full flow filters really only catch big stuff, generally their nominal filtration is around beta2=25, ie. they capture 50% of 25 micron particles in a multi pass test.
Soot is sub micron in size...

The only decent oil filtration is performed by a by-pass filter, something like the centrifugal one in the TD5. ;)

The most important filter is the air filter, and that is that one that becomes more efficient the more heavily loaded it becomes.
It then becomes a trade off between pressure drop and air flow.
Any problems there and your engine is toast.

[DiscoJeffster]

Oil, air, pfff, semantics [emoji23]
Well I knew I’d read studies somewhere lol. Applicability somewhat challenged.

[rick130]

Oil, air, pfff, semantics [emoji23]
Well I knew I’d read studies somewhere lol. Applicability somewhat challenged.[emoji23]

[rar110]

Hi Alan,
I'm curious. What is it you hope to achieve by servicing every 10K KM? I'm being honest not facetious with the question. My vehicle, by the previous owner, was serviced by the dealer intervals for its first 200K KM. I'm now running arduous servicing intervals as I tow and go off-road, so I'm changing it around 10-12K KM. I also use the enviro c4.
What I'm getting at is you choose to spend money servicing it to make it last I presume, but I'm curious of your opinion of value? Is this based on a certain number of KM you expect to get out of the engine? What is your expectation, honestly? What KM would you consider you've done ok and your interval was worthwhile? I ask this as so many people criticise the factory intervals but have no clear expectation of what they hope to achieve, other than a perception that the factory is wrong? So is 200,000km good? 300,000km?, 500,000km?

Cheers,
Jeff

I also do 10,000km intervals in my 3.6 tdv8. Originally JLR prescribed services at 11,000km, but later changed to 24,000km for the same engine. I took a conservative approach as oil is cheaper than repairs.

[Grappler]

Saw this in local Repco
The label says it suits Landrovers*

[jonesy63]

Yes - as I said on this post: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/246722-buying-engine-oil-2.html#post2647735

:)

The specs are here: SYNPOWER FE 5W-30 - Valvoline SynPower (http://synpower.com.au/products/synpower-fe-5w-30/)

[northiam]

Not for DPF engines ?

[jonesy63]

Not for DPF engines ?

Nope - DPF models need the C1 spec oil.

[loanrangie]

Repco have the Castrol Edge 5W30 A3/B4 on sale for $39.

[Grappler]

Purchased another 15 litre pack (3x5) from Golden West Lubricants for $113 yesterday
Thats $37.60 per 5litre
Perfect spec for non DPF models I use t in RRS TDV6 and Puma 2,2

[loanrangie]

Repco have the Castrol Edge 5W30 A3/B4 on sale for $39.

10ltr currently on sale at $69 at Repco.