Alcohol fuelled violence

[Pocket Rocket]

Not hard to see how this has become such a problem these days. Was helping our daughter move house and 2 drunk pip squeaks who couldn't wait 5 minutes for us to finish up and move our car decided to both take on loneranger. Stupid rather than brave! Her boyfriend assisted to make it a 2 on 2 and pushing and shoving followed.

Even after we moved the car they still kept carrying on even as they were driving off.

Poor coppers having to deal with this nonsense on a daily basis. I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.

And the day started with violence as well with a drunk train passenger punching another train passenger in the face in the carriage next to mine. Thankfully a plain clothes copper was on board to get the situation under control and an army of transit guards was waiting on the platform.

[Eevo]

it would be interesting to see if there was no drinking in australia for a year to see how society changes
i dont know the stats but i'm lead to believe most domestic violence involves alcohol.

[biggin]

It worked well in USA.
Idiots are idiots no matter what they consume.

[Pocket Rocket]

Can't help but think that the alcohol was just magnifying their sense of entitlement. We had to move right now because he was so successful in life.

I remember people getting drunk when we were that age but it wasn't like that. Banning alcohol isn't the answer but it does seem like behaving in an unacceptable manner has somehow become permissible / acceptable. I'm not sure how things have ended up this way in just 20 years.

[Eevo]

btw, notice i didnt say banning alcohol. i just said stop drinking. magic-like

[BMKal]

Hahaha ................ I had a somewhat similar experience a while back in Kalgoorlie, but for slightly different reasons. I had gone to a supermarket across the other side of town and parked the Disco under a shady tree out on the edge of the carpark (I'm not one for parking up close to the doors where there is more "traffic"). When I got out of the car, one of our "first Australians" walked up and told me that I had to move it, as he wanted to sit under the shade of the tree. At the same time, he demanded that I give him cigarettes (a common "request" in Kalgoorlie). He was quite abusive about it all, especially when I told him that I don't smoke, making the point more than once that I was in "Aboriginal Country" and he could do what he liked.

I told him to **** off (didn't abuse him - just told him very bluntly where he could go) - so he walked up and kicked the door of the Disco. Suffice to say that he ended up flat on his back on the pavement, with a sore mouth - and then promptly left the area. [wink11]

I kept an eye out in case he returned with back-up as his type often does, but never saw him again after that.

EDIT: Well that's a new feature in the swear filter that I haven't seen before. It usually changes some of my language to a series of asterisks ........................ haven't seen it change a word to "fiddlesticks" before. [biggrin]

[loneranger]

I didn't realise but apparently one of them was shaping up to punch me in the back of the head when our daughter's boyfriend jumped in.

My conclusion is they had real self esteem problems and other issues as they kept calling me a homo and were so insistent on how manly they were. All I can say is he's lucky I didn't know he was going to hit me from behind or I would probably be in a lot of trouble.

[Roverlord off road spares]

it would be interesting to see if there was no drinking in australia for a year to see how society changes
i dont know the stats but i'm lead to believe most domestic violence involves alcohol.
Maybe decrease the alcohol content in drinks to very low levels, then they can drink as much as the they like, and never get drunk, as they would be too bloated to drink enough to get drunk.[wink11]

[rick130]

it would be interesting to see if there was no drinking in australia for a year to see how society changes
i dont know the stats but i'm lead to believe most domestic violence involves alcohol.

What I find fascinating is how binge drinking (and alcohol related violence) appears cultural.
We have this problem, as does the UK and from the outside Germany, yet, other western countries don't eg. Italy, where alcohol appears to be more freely available than here ?

[Bytemrk]

EDIT: Well that's a new feature in the swear filter that I haven't seen before. It usually changes some of my language to a series of asterisks ........................ haven't seen it change a word to "fiddlesticks" before. [biggrin]

Nice Hey.... I think Dave was tired of Asterisks.... so he found a far more amusing alternative. :clap2:



On the original topic, total agree that alcohol is a big contributor - but I really don't believe its the root cause.

As said above, Idiots will be Idiots. I know plenty of people that drink - several drink way too much, but don't turn into stupid violent thugs.

I think the Alcohol amplifies a problem that is there to start with. As Loneranger points out - self esteem etc is a big starting point.

If it wasn't alcohol. it would be one of the myriad of drugs around....

Unfortunately you can't legislate against stupid and Yes Pocket Rocket - I do feel sorry for the officers that have to deal with this crap day in day out.

Glad the incident didn't end differently...

[loneranger]

Having seen the effects of mindless violence and how it can destroy lives I generally will walk away rather than engaging in this sort of thing. In this case these punks needed to learn they weren't top dog. I can't stand bullies or cowards and these guys were both. However I never hit them even if they both may be nutsing sort throats this morning. 😉

My actions were entirely in self defence of course.

[LandyAndy]

I don't know I would blame alcohol,its the ice that makes toe-rags super aggressive.
Andrew

[cuppabillytea]

I saw a Psychologist giving a talk on Millennials. He was basically saying that they have been brought up with a sense of entitlement that is not consistent with their place in Society or the Word at large. As a consequence they are bewildered, frustrated and angered by there experiences outside of home. Any wonder they become violent under the influence of Chemical stimulants.
'Alchohol fuelled', I think, is the wrong expression. 'Alcohol enabled' would be more appropriate.
We live in a world which puts us under stresses to which we haven't had time adjust. Alcohol, IMHO, is a useful tool for helping us cope. Removing it would lead to us seeking other avenues for numbing our senses, probably with more dire consequences.
Remember regulation and prohibition have been tried, tested and failed.

[Pocket Rocket]

I saw a Psychologist giving a talk on Millennials. He was basically saying that they have been brought up with a sense of entitlement that is not consistent with their place in Society or the Word at large. As a consequence they are bewildered, frustrated and angered by there experiences outside of home. Any wonder they become violent under the influence of Chemical stimulants.
'Alchohol fuelled', I think, is the wrong expression. 'Alcohol enabled' would be more appropriate.
We live in a world which puts us under stresses to which we haven't had time adjust. Alcohol, IMHO, is a useful tool for helping us cope. Removing it would lead to us seeking other avenues for numbing our senses, probably with more dire consequences.
Remember regulation and prohibition have been tried, tested and failed.

Great post. Prob too late to change the title of the thread. I wrote it in the early hours of the morning while my heart was still pounding from what had happened.

[loneranger]

I saw a Psychologist giving a talk on Millennials. He was basically saying that they have been brought up with a sense of entitlement that is not consistent with their place in Society or the Word at large. As a consequence they are bewildered, frustrated and angered by there experiences outside of home. Any wonder they become violent under the influence of Chemical stimulants.
'Alchohol fuelled', I think, is the wrong expression. 'Alcohol enabled' would be more appropriate.
We live in a world which puts us under stresses to which we haven't had time adjust. Alcohol, IMHO, is a useful tool for helping us cope. Removing it would lead to us seeking other avenues for numbing our senses, probably with more dire consequences.
Remember regulation and prohibition have been tried, tested and failed.
Was this the video posted in the millenials thread. That was really interesting.

[cuppabillytea]

Great post. Prob too late to change the title of the thread. I wrote it in the early hours of the morning while my heart was still pounding from what had happened.
Thanks but the title is a good one because the terminology is the current accepted terminology.


Was this the video posted in the millenials thread. That was really interesting.
Could be, I can't remember.

[loneranger]

All I know is I want a quiet life and it seems to be getting harder and harder to avoid this sort of crap as you go about daily living because these attitudes of entitlement are becoming the norm.