Foamy Diesel

[LandyAndy]

Hi guys
Do any of you Disco2 owners have trouble with foamy diesel???The cheapest roadhouse in town have a diesel bowser that is much more foamy than usual,I can only trickle the fuel in.It doesnt effect other vehicles according to the owner,including his own.He seems to think the Disco's baffeling doesnt allow the foam to settle fast enough.There isnt an issue with the amount of fuel it pumps,the volume is correct it just foams it up.Its a hiflow pump,I dont have trouble with other pumps just this one.There was a tanker delivering petrol only,he looked at the foaming and said he thought it was more foamy than normal,its Shell diesel not cheapy import stuff.Im glad I only need to call in there every 1000ks or so https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Actually probablt 700ks or so as I dont run the tank out.
Andrew

[one_iota]

Andy,

Now I just drive a primitive D1 but I notice that the Hiflow froths more than the standard units. The bloke is probably right it's down to the pipe to the tank after all trucks just feed direct into the tank. I have noticed that the pavement around Hiflow bowsers is greasier than your usual "house and garden" petrol station hardstand.

It beats watching the punters come and go while you pump 80 litres via a standard unit though. I used to fill at a place with standard dispensers where the local concrete trucks drivers used two pumps simultaneously to fill up :roll:

[George130]

I get that more now its summer than I used to. Half the time I use high flow pumps. The last one kept foaming back out the spout.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">its probably because the fuel is warmer than normal due to it being summer.....

this may make it froth easier......</span>

[George130]

That could be it Zook. It hasn't worried me yet I just take a little longer to fill the tank.

[LandyAndy]

Problem is this guy only has 1 diesel bowser and its hi flow,he is also the cheapest in town by 2.5CPL,also he is a top bloke so he is the man for diesel,just takes time to get it.
Andrew

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">pumping diesel into a large 200litre tank like on a semi....the fuel will have more surface area which will make it easier for the bubbles to dissipate....
in yours and mine (and ours) it is much smaller and the froth builds up and comes out the filler....
using the hiflo bowser is quicker if you dont want to fill right to the brim....
if you just stop when it clicks the second or third time it will be a quick pitstop.....
if you hate pumping fuel (like me) you will sit there as long as it takes and wait for the bubbles to settle till you can see clear fuel at the top of the filler neck....
theoretically delaying your next refuel by a few litres.....


i figure in the long run its gonna save time to stop when the foam comes up the spout and get out of the servo....it should only take a couple of minutes each time rather than 10-15 mins for the foam to settle whilst you dribble in fuel drop by drop......

(dont ask me how i come to know all this......)</span>

[drivesafe]

Hi folks, I have always filled my landies to the very brim. It makes it easier to workout accurate fuel consumption.

Anyway, I only use BP or Shell and both tend to foam and it usually take about two thirds of the time to put the first 90 Lts in and one third of the time to put the last 10 Lts in because of the foaming.

By the way, it makes no difference as to what time of year it is, once you have the fuel stored below the ground with around half a metre of ground between the surface and the top of the underground tank the above ground temperature will have no effect on the temperature of the fuel.

What will have an effect on the temperature of the fuel, is the fuel companies themselves, because they try to deliver their fuel hot. The reason for this is that diesel more so than the other fuels, expands considerable when hot so the service station is charged for more fuel than is actually delivered. :twisted:

Next time you are fuelling up, feel the temperature of the rubber hose and you will see what I mean. :twisted:

The only state where this doesn’t happen is SA.

The SA government has made it mandatory that all fuel tankers be fitted with temperature compensated flow indicators so the service stations only pay for what they actually get.

Cheers

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by drivesafe
Hi folks, I have always filled my landies to the very brim. It makes it easier to workout accurate fuel consumption.

What will have an effect on the temperature of the fuel, is the fuel companies themselves, because they try to deliver their fuel hot. The reason for this is that diesel more so than the other fuels, expands considerable when hot so the service station is charged for more fuel than is actually delivered. :twisted:


Reckon you wouldn't be wanting to fill to the brim on a hot day and park it in the sun then, eh.

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Cheers
Simon

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">how much expansion are we talking about here drivesafe......





and speaking of diesel.....have you got yours sorted yet simon...?</span>

[abaddonxi]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">how much expansion are we talking about here drivesafe......





and speaking of diesel.....have you got yours sorted yet simon...?</span>

Well I've been driving it around town, so it's fixed until it breaks down.

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Good enough for me.


Cheers
Simon

[drivesafe]

Hi adaddonxi, as I live about 10 kms from my nearest service station, by the time I get home, I’ve used enough fuel so that it doesn’t over flow.

Hi ZOOK, I have no idea but there was a news story on it about 2 years ago and one of the service station owners said it was costing him about $18,000 a year for fuel he never got.

Cheers.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">hmmm....that makes it a fairly sizeable percentage.....</span>

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by drivesafe
Hi adaddonxi, as I live about 10 kms from my nearest service station, by the time I get home, I’ve used enough fuel so that it doesn’t over flow.



So I'm guessing about a litre to get home, in about a 100 litre tank.

Does that make it less or around 1% expansion on a hot day?

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Cheers
Simon

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">all depends on the temp before it comes out of the bowser....
after its in your tank.....

also the atmospheric pressure will make a difference......






so....according to this theory......if you filled up at the top of a moutain....
then drove say 10kms to get to the bottom....
you should still have the same amount of fuel in your tank at the bottom as you did at the top.....


i like this idea.....</span>

[drivesafe]

Hi adaddonxi, as the fuel goes in warm in most cases, I’d be surprised if there was more than .1%, but this is just a guess.


and ZOOK :?:


Cheers.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Zook
It seems Im the only one with the problem,the missus fills her Trytoo there no probs on full flow,the owner has no probs with his Rodeo,I can only trickle it in real slow,I have used other hi flows with the Disco without any probs.The tanker driver seemed to think it was a worn pump causing the aeration,but that still doesnt effect the pumps calibration.
Andrew

[CraigE]

Andy,
I have had the same with my Fender and Disco. I think it is a combination of both the filler neck styles and the high flow pump mixing more air with the diesel as it comes out of the spout. Filling cruisers it froths and causes the same effect but not as noticeable. The second tanks on our ambulances do the same. The fire trucks are fine.
As for Zooks expansion theory he is right on the money. Ground/tank temperatures do change especially in hotter areas. i noticed with diesel if you fill up on a cold day you will get a little further although only marginally. LPG on the other hand as it is stored above ground is more dramatic. I got into the habit with the Rangie of filling up on the way to work early in the morning at the coldest part of the day. The difference is fairly dramatic, with 120 litre odd capacity on a hot day (40deg) I would only get in on a standard fill 105-110 litres on a nice cold morning I could get in between 115-130litres of lpg. This is filling at the same spot on the gauge or after a similar distance drive. Just shows that lpg is way more compressed in cold weather. If you are using this trick though and not driving far stop filling at the first click. I used to fill before driving 50kms to work and switch between both tanks to take the edge off. Fill it on an ice cold night and then have a red hot day and you will leak gas out the relief valve everywhere.

[Jamo]

Hello Andy,

I have the same problem. I fill at the depot, where there is one normal flor pump and five or so hi-flows. If I use a hi-flow it foams and the auto cut out comes in when the tank is only about half full! There's no problem at all with the standard flow pump.

I agree with the expansion/temperature thingo. When I put ULP in the Suby on a cold day as opposed to a hot day, the extra range equates to around 5 or more litres of ULP. I haven't had the Disco long enough to work it out, but anyone whos put fuel in a jerry on a cold day and then looked at the bulging can when the temp goes up knows how much fuel can expand.

I also read that with ULP, it's good to fill up at stations where there is a high throughout. The toluene in ULP has an evapouration point of only 15deg C. Thus it starts to evapourate out of the fuel over that temp. THis can create extra wear on the motor.

James

[drivesafe]

I don’t know how much difference hot diesel makes to the total amount you can put in your tank but about 18 months ago I filled up at the Mobil service station at the back of Pacific Fair, on the Gold Coast.

I use to fill up there fairly regularly but on this occasion I pulled in with probably about 2 to 3 Lts left in the tank. I always try to use as much of as I can.

Anyway, I filled up and according to their pump, the RR took 104 Lts.

Not bad for a 100 Lt tank.

I took it up with the company that owns the service station and what a waste of time that was.

Never been there or to one of their other service stations since.

[CraigE]

Drivesafe,
I am sure that happens at a lot of servo's. Not hard to do the bowser just has to be undercalibrated slightly. If every one was paying for 2 litres they did not get it would be a bonanza for the owner. Quite often at different servos I have put in74-76 litres in a 75 litre tank. Not bad when the orange light has just come on.
:?

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by CraigE
Drivesafe,
I am sure that happens at a lot of servo's. Not hard to do the bowser just has to be undercalibrated slightly. If every one was paying for 2 litres they did not get it would be a bonanza for the owner. Quite often at different servos I have put in74-76 litres in a 75 litre tank. Not bad when the orange light has just come on.
:?




<span style="color:blue">you are not alone....when filling up at some of the more expensive servos...
or possibly better quality servos......i find i need less litres to fill the tank than
going to the budget places......


i too wont fill up before the light comes on.....this lets me know how much fuel i need as it should come on with 9 litres left in the tank.....</span>

[drivesafe]

I must have been very lucky then, because I have never been more that a Lt out at any other fill I have done.

5 or 6 lt's out is not a bonanza, it’s out and out robbery.

Like you Zook, I only fill at so called quality servos which use to be Mobil, Shell and BP. It’s only Shell and BP now. These three are the only ones , up until recently, that guarantied the quality of their fuel.

New federal laws are now forcing the other to comply with mandatory higher quality standards. Still wouldn’t trust the others though.

Cheers

[disconut]

Hi Guys,

Not sure about the Disco's but the Fender had a nozzle type thing in the bottom of the filler pipe where it joins the tank. This cuts off the pump early when the fuel level covers it and you then have to fill the rest of the tank with the air venting out via the the little breather pipe. It also has a smaller ID than the filler pipe by around 4mm.
I disconnected my fill pipe at the tank, pulled out the little nozzle thing and now enjoy quick fills.

Trev.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by disconut
Hi Guys,

Not sure about the Disco's but the Fender had a nozzle type thing in the bottom of the filler pipe where it joins the tank. This cuts off the pump early when the fuel level covers it and you then have to fill the rest of the tank with the air venting out via the the little breather pipe. It also has a smaller ID than the filler pipe by around 4mm.
I disconnected my fill pipe at the tank, pulled out the little nozzle thing and now enjoy quick fills.

Trev.



<span style="color:blue">now this is something i will have to investigate...</span>

[disconut]

Zook,
Just for you. (photo!). For your gowing collection? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/01/51.jpg

The angled bit sits level inside the tank, so the pipe is angled from the filler.
The section from the chamfer sticks into the tank.
When the fuel covers the end it shuts off the filler gun by backpressuring it.
Pull this out and most of the trouble goes away.

Off the disc:

A breather spout within the tank controls the tank ’Full’ height. When fuel covers the spout it prevents fuel vapour and air from escaping from the tank. This causes the fuel to ’back-up’ in the filler tube and shuts off the filler gun.
The position of the spout ensures that when the filler gun shuts off, a vapour space of approximately 10% of the tanks total capacity remains.

Trev.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">with this removed you should be able to get 10% more fuel in...
in other words you should be able to fill the tank to the top of the filler neck....



which could cause it to overflow when it warms up from the sun and expands.....
have you had any of these problems.....?


i will have to wait till next year to check this out as my tank is full.....

and it will take me the rest of this year and some of next year before the
level drops enough......</span>

[CraigE]

Ok, how do after market long range tanks get on? Do they fill right to the top (capacity) or do they have a similar device? I think the overflowing fuel issue is more related to petrol and lpg rather than diesel. In my experience diesel seems to handle the heat better and expands less. Plenty of times seen petrol flowing out of parked cars in 40 degree plus heat. Rather emabarrasing for the owner when they come out and find a fire truck parked behind them dumping foam on it. Never seen a diesel do it though.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

[b]<span style="color:blue">if you have a look at the filler it sits lower than the top of the tank....
so they cant be filled to the very top.....
there will always be an airgap in the tank which allows for expansion.....</span>

http://www.arb.com.au/Graphics/Long%20Ranger/long_ranger_tank.jpg

[DEFENDERZOOK]

[size=18]<span style="color:blue">and whilst looking for that pic i came across some specials.....</span>



http://www.lrexpert.com.au/main.php

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by drivesafe+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(drivesafe)</div><div class='quotemain'>Hi adaddonxi, as the fuel goes in warm in most cases, I’d be surprised if there was more than .1%, but this is just a guess.

[/b]

<!--QuoteBegin-drivesafe

Hi ZOOK, I have no idea but there was a news story on it about 2 years ago and one of the service station owners said it was costing him about $18,000 a year for fuel he never got.

[/quote]

So, $18,000 x 99.9

= $1,798,200

Which sound about right, I guess.

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Simon

[disconut]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">with this removed you should be able to get 10% more fuel in...
in other words you should be able to fill the tank to the top of the filler neck....
which could cause it to overflow when it warms up from the sun and expands.....
have you had any of these problems.....?</span>

No, you don't get 10% more fuel in. I always filled it up the filler neck. It just does not shut off the pump at and force you to trickle feed the last little bit.

No, I do not have overflow issues in the heat.

It just means that when you put the fuel filler nozzle in the filler pipe, you can pump it faster with far less back pressure.

I then can get 100 klms to the gauge full mark when filled up the neck, and 100 klms per quarter tank thereafter. (remember I have a small tank, so this makes a big difference).

Trev.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by abaddonxi

So, $18,000 x 99.9

= $1,798,200

Which sound about right, I guess.

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Simon



<span style="color:blue">what exactly are you calculating here....?</span>

[abaddonxi]

[quote=abaddonxi]
So, $18,000 x 99.9

= $1,798,200

Which sound about right, I guess.

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Simon



<span style="color:blue">what exactly are you calculating here....?</span>

Whether there was a connection between what Drivesafe calculated as the amount that diesel expanded in the heat compared to how much the quoted servo guy said he lost a year.

$1.8m turnover in diesel a year sounds pretty good to me.

But since I don't own a servo and haven't the foggiest what kind of turnover they might do, it means nothing.

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Simon

[one_iota]

I am new to this forum so please be gentle with me.

I googled "froth and bubble" and found this place.

I have a similar problem.

I just popped the cork on a bottle of Yarrabank cuvee 2000. It was purchased from a reputable purveyor and has been chilled for at least 3 hours.

When I poured it into the glass all I got was froth. Eventually it settled down but has taken some time to get enough to drink.

Am I being ripped off by Southcorp?

Or is it all in the pouring technique?

Should it be dispensed by Hiflow instead?

Thanks in advance (and HNY)

[one_iota]

And further more (related to fuel bugs this time) my glass is full of inebriated drosophila.

Or should I post this issue elsewhere?

TIA (and Happy New Year)

[abaddonxi]

Well we've yet to discuss the importance of humidity on inebriation.

Bottle of Deutz.

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Happy new year.

Simon

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by one_iota
I am new to this forum so please be gentle with me.

I googled "froth and bubble" and found this place.

I have a similar problem.

I just popped the cork on a bottle of Yarrabank cuvee 2000. It was purchased from a reputable purveyor and has been chilled for at least 3 hours.

When I poured it into the glass all I got was froth. Eventually it settled down but has taken some time to get enough to drink.

Am I being ripped off by Southcorp?

Or is it all in the pouring technique?

Should it be dispensed by Hiflow instead?

Thanks in advance (and HNY)



<span style="color:blue">

the trick is to to shake the bottle before you open it.......
this separates the bubbles from the liquid......
then as soon as the cork is removed the bubbles will be automatically expelled.....
leaving you with all the quality liquid free of bubbles......


the bubbles are fitted during bottling to protect the liquid from bruising
during transit.....very clever i think....as wrapping the entire bottle with bubble wrap
would only protect the bottle but not the contents.....
so some bright spark separated the bubbles from the wrap and inserted them in the bottle....

and it tastes nothing like diesel......</span>

[George130]

I have only been able to over fill our LPG ford. It has an 80 litre tank which I filled with 89 litres once.
On my fender the long range tank has a narrowing of the spout but I can fill it all the way if I want.

[Larns]

Hate to burst anyones bubble.....but liquid dosn't expand or contract, it's Pascals Law of hydraulics. You'll find that it's the air in the tank that expands and contracts, thus causing the tank to pressurise on a hot day, and if you are thoughtfull enough to full your tank to the top of the filler neck it's no doubt gonna force fuel out the filler or vent line. Because contray to belief your not actually phisically able to fill the tank to the absoloute top, due to the fact the the breather is on the side of the tank, not the top, therefore unless you force feed the fuel to purge the tank of air (like the V8 supercars) you will always have a small amount of air in the top of the tank.
And diesel filler caps are designed to spill our precious fuel all over the ground, as they do, to prevent the system from over pressurising on a hot day (or contracting on a cold day), which WOULD result is much more damage to the vehicle's fuel system than the 50c worth of fuel that has been vented all over the bosses personal car space.
When fuel or any liquid is spilled onto the ground it always looks like more than what it is, believe me, we had a tank at work that was being repaired. It held 498Ltrs, and it had a little accident. It looked like there was 5000Ltrs running down the compuond! and it was only 300Ltrs.

Cheers an HNY

[Larns]

Oh and Zook......love the champane theroy! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[CraigE]

Larns,
Pascals laws of hydraulics do not directly relate to liquid, only hydraulics. Most liquids when heated will infact expand as the molecular structure changes. It is all to do with molecular structure changes and may also be affected by specific weight densities. Just boil a pot of water to see this or heat a lpg container. It is also possible by the conversion of liquid into gas which will also cause expansion. I have spoken to chemical engineers about this issue and it is possible and likely in extrem heat, due to convection currents and molecular change in their opinion. We have several at work. In a sealed hydraulic system with correct weighted oil it is not possible and unlikely with many liquids. Fuels however are volatile liquids and generally unstable in extreme heat.

[drivesafe]

Hi Larns, sorry but I’m going to re-inflate the bubble and follow on from CraigE.

Going on USA data, diesel fuel expands by as much as much as 3% at 98 degrees/f over it's normal volume capacity which is measured at 60 degrees/f and the only way you get HOT diesel as you fill your vehicle from an under ground tank is because it was delivered hot to the service station in the first place.

Cheers

[Jamo]

I agree with drivesafe and CraigE, the molecules in a liquid are moving around. As the temperature of the liquid increases, the molecules accelerate and the forces between them get weaker, allowing them to move further away from each other. OF course, if the system is not sealed (like a fuel tank) some of the molecules will speed up to an extent that they are able to escape (evapouration). Thus, there will be initial expansion of the liquid, followed by a reduction due to evap if the temperature stays at or above certain levels.

Pascals principle only applies to liquids in a confined space.

Happy New Year 8O 8O 8O

[duff]

And further more https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ ,
The fuel farm here at work, has an entire system devoted to compensating for volume change due to temperature. and ours is under ground which keeps the fuel relatively stable. Even with a farm that converts volume automatically when bulking into the truck, we still have to convert into the plane, we have to convert our fuel loads from the indicated delivery volume, to an adjusted volume based on 15deg.

When you are talking aircraft loads of fuel, you really can get into trouble by not accounting for temperature differances.

[/u]

[CraigE]

Just some useles specs on fuels :
Unleaded Petrol Diesel
Flash Point : <40degC <93degC
Boiling Point : 25-228degC 165-277degC
Specific Gravity : 0.73-0.78 0.880
Upper Explosion Limit : 8.00% 5.00%
Lower Explosion limit : 1.00% 0.50%

So by carrying diesel you are actually carrying a slightly heavier load than petrol.
8O

[Michael96130]

happy new yeer people https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
I deliver fuel for one of Australia’s largest independent wholesale fuel companies.
There are some misconceptions on how good or bad the quantity and quality of the Independently owned stations.these station owners are more often than not hard working local people who would not s@#t on there own doorstep by having anything dodgey to do with there fuel. The fuel I deliver is from the major fuel company Terminals or refinery’s (mentioned in earlier posts). Also All bowers used to retail fuel must Be calibrated and should show a small ally sticker with the date it was last calibrated.
If not you may have a case to contact your state government weights and measures (not the mermaids) :evil: or the ACC. Also all wholesale fuel is received and delivered at a Corrected temp @15 deg C, as apposed to the Ambient temp (Observied liters)
As for the frothy diesel it is not unusual, in my experiance it is usualy high pressure or flow.

i hope this helps and doesn't make things worse

Mick https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[one_iota]

Well done Mick a valuable contribution https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ 8)

[one_iota]

If I was selling crap fuel I wouldn't want to jeopardise the rest of my business.

My local 7 eleven sells "cheap" fuel and I have never had a bad batch in three years. I am on first name terms with the owner.

[CraigE]

I can not say that I have had a bad batch of fuel from any of the independents or cheaper outlets. The only bad batch of fuel I have had is from a major player and it was water contamination. A few friends have had dirty fuel from one of the small players.
Generally the pumps and the total are OK, but just occassionally the tank seems to take more than it should. The pumps are machines and the callibration can be incorrect for a multitude of reasons. I remember a few years ago a technician was found to be working in with some servo's and undercallibrating pumps for a kick back. If I remember rightly one of the servos dobbed him in.
My main area of concern is LPG and I have proven it many times filling up that expansion occurs due to heat and the fact that the tanks for lpg are above ground. I am not saying the litreage is wrong, but when it is colder ambient temperature I could get anywhere from 10-25 litres more in my twin tanks compared to filling up on a hot day.
The small sticker only tells you it was callibrated and when, it does not tell you it is currently callibrated correctly. There are allowable differences of course. It is exactly the same for weighbridges and alcholisers. They can show a difference between callibrations though and this is why we are required to get them callibrated every so often.
I would much rather deal with a small operator owned servo than the big boys, but the major fuel companies have screwed franchisees. The one that was in town no one would buy from because everyone new that the tanks were installed incorrectly and run of water was getting in. Cost 3 guys their engines in 4wds that I know of, one only 2 weeks old. By the time they actually replaced the tanks the damage had already been done. So now we only have a BP.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by disconut
Zook,
Just for you. (photo!). For your gowing collection? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2006/01/51.jpg

The angled bit sits level inside the tank, so the pipe is angled from the filler.
The section from the chamfer sticks into the tank.
When the fuel covers the end it shuts off the filler gun by backpressuring it.
Pull this out and most of the trouble goes away.

Off the disc:

A breather spout within the tank controls the tank ’Full’ height. When fuel covers the spout it prevents fuel vapour and air from escaping from the tank. This causes the fuel to ’back-up’ in the filler tube and shuts off the filler gun.
The position of the spout ensures that when the filler gun shuts off, a vapour space of approximately 10% of the tanks total capacity remains.

Trev.




<span style="color:blue">must be a 90 thing....
mine dont got one in the filler....all i found was a small aluminium tube...
probably to stop the hose from crushing the tank where the filler hose clamps on.....

i did however notice that the breater tube from the tank to the filler neck
is a soft rubber hose...which is pretty flat on the kinks/bends in it...
i will have to find some other hose or a spring to stop this from crushing
to see if it helps with re-fuelling.....</span>

[disconut]

:?
Thats odd, the disc does not specify which models do and do not have them. It could be just in the later Extremes? or just in the 90's as you say.
The breather tube does need to be free of kinks and bends which can create air locks. I have a bend in mine which is caused by the chassis rail / body tub clearance, and short of boring a hole in the tub, I cannot see a way of getting a smooth upward bend in the pipe. But, its better without that pipe thingy in there.

Trev.

[rick130]

Zook, I found that when I repositioned the breather hose on the 130 so that there were less kinks, and it was on a constant, even gradient up to the filler neck, it defeinately fills more easily. (there were a few little inadvertent 'P' traps in it that were full of fuel ) Luckily the PO (NT BFC) had removed the stupid little filter basket thingy in the filler neck.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">it was all over the place and half squashed.....with an s bend in it......



i will definitely be doing something about it first chance i get.....
fuelling up is such a waste of time......

you pump 60 litres in in about 40 seconds.....then take 5 mins to pump in the next 10 litres.....</span>

[wardy1]

you think too much Zook! lol

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by wardy!
you think too much Zook! lol



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ah...finally an explanation to my headaches......i never thought of that....
i thought it was from the handbrake.....

i think ive got a headache again.....i think.....</span>

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">ok guys......i just filled up after repositioning the filler by rotating it enough

to remove some of the kinks out of the breather.....


yes...it made a big difference......took bugger all time to fill up.......
and thats using the hiflo bowser as always.......</span>

[disconut]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">ok guys......i just filled up after repositioning the filler by rotating it enough

to remove some of the kinks out of the breather.....


yes...it made a big difference......took bugger all time to fill up.......
and thats using the hiflo bowser as always.......</span>

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great news.

Trev.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

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i get too lazy to smile.......





i been thinking....maybe the temperature had something to with it....
it was at 5:30 this morning....and was pretty cool outside.....dunno the underground
temperature though.......</span>

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