TD5 Sump Plug Thread damaged.

[Bohica]

Well I have partially stripped the thread on the sump. I can tighten the bolt up, enough to hold oil, but without the copper washer. I need to repair the sump and I saw this

Sump Plug / Oil Drain Repair / Rethreader Kit M16 - M17 Thread AN091 IRE | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sump-Plug-Oil-Drain-Repair-Rethreader-Kit-M16-M17-Thread-AN091-IRE-/131766639494?hash=item1eade75b86:g:n00AAOSwQjNW-6e2)

comments any one?

Thanks

Julian

[Mclaren00]

How bad is the thread? Can u get a thread file on it and clean it up?

[Bohica]

How bad is the thread? Can u get a thread file on it and clean it up?

mostly non existent.

[Mclaren00]

Bugger
Perhaps helicoil and take sump off mate then the jobs done for good

[rangieman]

mostly non existent.
Wow did the glare from the hawaiian shirt blind you during the process to completely strip the thread:Rolling::tease:
Oh maybe some of that glue stuff that Lotus uses to build their cars might do it[bigwhistle]
As suggested Helicoil is your friend[thumbsupbig]

[101 Ron]

Heli coil may not be the best option......
Repco and similar automotive outlets sell over size sump plug kits for most makes of light vehicles.
Better private work shops will usually have something as stripped sump plugs often are left to the local mechanic to attend to.

[Roverlord off road spares]

You should be ashamed, a man with 3 torque wrenches and you do that. [bawl]
x3 a hellicoil

[Roverlord off road spares]

Heli coil may not be the best option......
Repco and similar automotive outlets sell over size sump plug kits for most makes of light vehicles.
Better private work shops will usually have something as stripped sump plugs often are left to the local mechanic to attend to.
If you do go this route, then buy a few extra washers in the size to suite as the O.E land rover ones will never fit again if you buy service kits
.

[Bohica]

You should be ashamed, a man with 3 torque wrenches and you do that. [bawl]
x3 a hellicoil

I am, I went to undo the bolt to change the oil and tightened it up! A dumb mistake.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Heli coil may not be the best option......
Repco and similar automotive outlets sell over size sump plug kits for most makes of light vehicles.
Better private work shops will usually have something as stripped sump plugs often are left to the local mechanic to attend to.
If you do go this route, then buy a few extra washers in the size to suite as the O.E land rover ones will never fit again if you buy service kits
.

[Bohica]

If you do go this route, then buy a few extra washers in the size to suite as the O.E land rover ones will never fit again if you buy service kits
.

I think that it would be possible to temper the washer, clean and re use it.
But getting some larger size washers is a good idea.

[Roverlord off road spares]

I think that it would be possible to temper the washer, clean and re use it.
But getting some larger size washers is a good idea.
I know some disco2 owners are tight [smilebigeye] but is it worth the time to temper a washer and resize it to fit ?[bigwhistle]

[Nomad9]

I tapped my sump oversize with an NPT thread then bought a Fumoto drain plug off eBay, this fixes the original problem and saves ever taking the sump plug out again. The original sump plug is recessed so if you go oversize the head if the bolt is tight into the recess and makes tightening up challenging.

Cheers Marty

[Bohica]

I know some disco2 owners are tight [smilebigeye] but is it worth the time to temper a washer and resize it to fit ?[bigwhistle]

Not so much tight, as careful with money.[wink11] The cost difference between the sump plug re size and the helicoil is $60 odd, as I have none of the bits and pieces.

[Bohica]

I tapped my sump oversize with an NPT thread then bought a Fumoto drain plug off eBay, this fixes the original problem and saves ever taking the sump plug out again. The original sump plug is recessed so if you go oversize the head if the bolt is tight into the recess and makes tightening up challenging.

Cheers Marty

What size? model number? It doesn't stick out too far below the sump?

Thanks

Julian

[rangieman]

Not so much tight, as careful with money.[wink11] The cost difference between the sump plug re size and the helicoil is $60 odd, as I have none of the bits and pieces.
At the end of the day what is the cost of a replacement engine for the sake of $60.00 [wink11]
No matter what the cost is do it right do it once or you will get hit with a far larger expense than what you are stressing about[thumbsupbig]
Remember your provent bracket [bigwhistle] Do it right the first time[wink11]

[rangieman]

I tapped my sump oversize with an NPT thread then bought a Fumoto drain plug off eBay, this fixes the original problem and saves ever taking the sump plug out again. The original sump plug is recessed so if you go oversize the head if the bolt is tight into the recess and makes tightening up challenging.

Cheers Marty
Not a real good idea if doing off road work in my opinion [wink11]
Id rather deal with a stripped sump plug in the driveway at home in my opinion than a mess on the side of a mountain or in a river or bog hole[thumbsupbig]

[Tombie]

Fumoto units are bloody horrible!!!

Too bulky, too heavy, and not protected by a secondary protection of a sealing Cap...

Too many potential points to go badly wrong! Add to that no method of draining any better - it still just pours out...

Look at something like a Stahlbus or similar - theres another thats more compact of you like.. When you want to drain you screw on a hose fitting and the oil cleanly and easily goes directly into the container and nowhere else!

The Stahlbus comes with a 'Race Cap' option which can be secured once attached to prevent coming loose.

[rangieman]

What size? model number? It doesn't stick out too far below the sump?

Thanks

Julian
Here do you really want this hanging off your sump just waiting for something to hit knock it off on your next off road venture[bighmmm]
Plenty here if it you really want to tempt fate[bighmmm]
Fumoto drain plug | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X.TRS0&_nkw=Fumoto+drain+plug&_sacat=0)

[Roverlord off road spares]

Here do you really want this hanging off your sump just waiting for something to hit knock it off on your next off road venture[bighmmm]
Plenty here if it you really want to tempt fate[bighmmm]
Fumoto drain plug | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X.TRS0&_nkw=Fumoto+drain+plug&_sacat=0)
Nothing that Some epoxy and some flat metal wouldn't fix, you could build a protective cage around it[bigwhistle] sort of like a mini bull bar to protect it

[Roverlord off road spares]

Not so much tight, as careful with money.[wink11] The cost difference between the sump plug re size and the helicoil is $60 odd, as I have none of the bits and pieces.
I read posts all the time about some people spending money on bling and accessories, they gladly hand over money for that, but when it comes to a critical part to maintain an engine they balk at spending the money.[bawl]

[Bohica]

I read posts all the time about some people spending money on bling and accessories, they gladly hand over money for that, but when it comes to a critical part to maintain an engine they balk at spending the money.[bawl]

Bling and accessories? What are they? [bigsmile1] nOh the Italian leather gear lever and handbrake gaiters!

I'm not convinced about the Stahlbus oil drain, Although it projects only 13mm or so below the sump. Has any one installed this? Got a photo?

Thanks.

[rangieman]

Bling and accessories? What are they? [bigsmile1] nOh the Italian leather gear lever and handbrake gaiters!

I'm not convinced about the Stahlbus oil drain, Although it projects only 13mm or so below the sump. Has any one installed this? Got a photo?

Thanks.
Where did you get 13mm more like 22mm[wink11]
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/69.jpg

[Bohica]

Where did you get 13mm more like 22mm[wink11]
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/04/69.jpg
The nut part is I think, in a recess in the sump. So only the 13mm sticks out. This is looking to be my preferred option with a helicoil.

[rangieman]

The nut part is I think, in a recess in the sump. So only the 13mm sticks out. This is looking to be my preferred option with a helicoil.
No look at the pic i posted[bigwhistle]
The nut does not fit in a recess how would it seal[wink11]
If you are happy to have that hanging out stay on the black stuff[bighmmm]

[Toxic_Avenger]

Playing devil's advocate here.
If you cop a hit big enough to rip the sump plug out, you more likely than not have bigger problems.
ie collecling the trail of steering and suspension linkages you left behind on the trail...

FWIW on the tdci, the sump plus is on the rear face of the sump, horizontal. Stahlbus or otherwise, argument is pretty much a moot point on that engine.
I've got a stahlbus on the 90, and have run a fumoto on the 300zx for near on 10 years without issue... and the latter sump plug is sitting about 100mm off the bitumen [wink11]

[Bohica]

No look at the pic i posted[bigwhistle]
The nut does not fit in a recess how would it seal[wink11]
If you are happy to have that hanging out stay on the black stuff[bighmmm]

122580

Sump plug in a recess.

I've seen the pic you posted. That's where I got the 13mm over hang from. There is a thickish rod steering I think below that level. I'll have to have a good look at it tomorrow.
If I wanted a car for the black stuff and only the black stuff I would have bought a Lotus.
Like this one We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Lotus-Elise-2004/SSE-AD-4139422/?Cr=0) [bigsmile]

[Toxic_Avenger]

I must say, I had a hot lap in a lotus elise about 6 years back... not as fast as I expected. Probably having my lard arse and my little asian mate (the owner!) in it weighed it down considerably.
He'd measure performance gains on how big a dump he had that morning, or when his last maccas feed was!
Oh, and the carbon fibre fuel flap, lightweight roof panels etc... it's all modest power to low weight

It did handle well though. Chassis is stiff as...
You really have to fold yourself up to get into it as well. There is no graceful way to enter or disembark.
For that money at a similar level of performance, I'd ditch the body and go a Caterham! Drool.

[Bohica]

Playing devil's advocate here.
If you cop a hit big enough to rip the sump plug out, you more likely than not have bigger problems.
ie collecling the trail of steering and suspension linkages you left behind on the trail...


That's along my way of thinking. As for the Esprit..
For fat farts like me, Evora is the way to go.

[ballbag]

Thread is crazy.

If vehicle goes where recovery is questionable, swap the sump out.

Otherwise go the easiest repair option.

[rangieman]

Well each to their own personally i would not want something like that hanging out of my sump[tonguewink]
I know the pro`s but in my opinion the cons out way any benefit for the sake of changing oil , As i said id rather deal with a stripped sump plug in the driveway at home than the possibilities of this going wrong in the wrong environment .
In my opinion if you have or are worried about stripping your sump plug - Should you be doing the job in the first place[wink11]

[Nomad9]

Fumoto units are bloody horrible!!!

Too bulky, too heavy, and not protected by a secondary protection of a sealing Cap...

Too many potential points to go badly wrong! Add to that no method of draining any better - it still just pours out...

Look at something like a Stahlbus or similar - theres another thats more compact of you like.. When you want to drain you screw on a hose fitting and the oil cleanly and easily goes directly into the container and nowhere else!

The Stahlbus comes with a 'Race Cap' option which can be secured once attached to prevent coming loose.


Ouch!!! Personally never had a problem with them, mind you I don't do the Canning Stock route on a weekly basis or hard core off-road, they work for me, just an option.

[laney]

Heli coil is what I done has been done for about three year no problems I left the sump in place made sure the sump plug hole was clean and free of oil. I used lock tight let it set then flushed the sump with about six litres of cheap oil then filled with the oil I always use (nulon 10-40) I do have a spare sump but I think I will sleeve the sump plug hole before it goes in.