Some ppl...check this out

[67hardtop]

Ok, last night a young bloke brought his car in to the servo, im looking after for a few months, said to me i think i should get a service done. My brakes have been noisy for about 3 weeks and on Monday the oil light came on. Well last night was Thursday. This morning i started doing the service and checking the brakes. The r/h/f rotor was metal to metal on the outside pad. I didnt need to measure the rotor, it was visibly 2mm below minimum thickness
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/267.jpg
Pads were stuffed of course. Funny thing is the l/h side was only 50% worn. I checked the tyres. All really good except right front. Been trying to do burnouts, with a Nissan Cube. He also said to check the transmission. Im waiting for parts as i write this, for the brakes.

So i drain the oil...or maybe i should say sludge from the sump.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/398.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/399.jpg
This is all that was in it. The oil filter had drained out overnight. Less than 1 litre...sump only holds 3.5 litres.
I shudder to think what the trans is gonna be like when i test drive it. Daddy came in last night (regular customer) to pick son up. I told him he was gonna be up for around $500 to fix it. The daddy said "i bought him a Calais 2 yrs ago and he just destroyed it. Cost me $10k". Glad my father didnt buy me anything. I learnt the value of things coz i had to work hard for everything ive ever had...
Back to work now, the parts are here.

Cheers Rod

[Pedro_The_Swift]

some people should be restricted to Taxi's

[Roverlord off road spares]

some people should be restricted to Taxi's
or be professional pedestrians, problem with that is they walk with mobile phones and cause havoc.[bigsad]

Unfortunately some out there just have no idea, the think it's just a matter of hoping in to a vehicle turn the key and driver. I saw my neighbor with the bonnet up on his wifes cr, being nosey I had to wander over, he tells me his wife reported a loud tapping noise in her BA falcon, never though that her car might have no oil in it which it didn't, had the same thinbg a while ago with her brakes, couldn't work out why her car had made a noise from the back wheel for a couple of weeks!, and she does big mileage drives to work each week. Oh did I forget to mention she is a teacher [bigwhistle] :wasntme:

[Tombie]

Educated doesn't mean intelligent...

[cuppabillytea]

It is for these people, that Autonomous Vehicles were invented.
They should have " Car Refuses To Budge Mode" after 1,000 Ks past scheduled service.

[trout1105]

I had a bloke carting some hay for me using my old Acco and he rang me in the morning asking me where the keys were.
I asked him if he had checked the oil and water in the truck and he said that had had, I sacked him on the spot.
The previous night I had put the keys on the dip stick and that's where I found them[bigwhistle]

[V8Ian]

Newer MANs don't have a dipstick, ergo, you don't need keys? [wink11]

[cuppabillytea]

Newer MANs don't have a dipstick, ergo, you don't need keys? [wink11]

No Dipstick drivers then. That's a bonus. [biggrin]

[Tins]

Years ago I worked at Datspares. On the counter there for all to see was a brake disk you could have shaved with. I dunno what it was out of, only that it was pulled off a wreck. How could the driver not know?

[Hall]

Most modern brake pads, and those Nissan Cubes are fairly modern, have a tab incorporated in the brake pad. When the pad wears down the tab squeals. This you all know but my point is how could junior not have heard the noise? Would have been loud, suppose he just turned the music up? Should be given a old series landy as a loan car whilst his is fixed. Then he will appreciate what he was driving more.
Cheers Hall

[donh54]

Most people who grew up driving old cars learnt some mechanical sympathy, or walked a lot! Now Daddy buys them a new toy to destroy like the last one! :wallbash::bat:

[ATH]

Mate of mine bought the Cooks little Datsun 1200 off us many years ago. A great little car and you really could hardly hear the engine tick over. So he bought it for his "highly intelligent student son" who proceeded to destroy it in a fortnight!
Having brains certainly doesn't guarantee to make people intelligent drivers.
AlanH.

[Tins]

Mate of mine bought the Cooks little Datsun 1200 off us many years ago. A great little car and you really could hardly hear the engine tick over. So he bought it for his "highly intelligent student son" who proceeded to destroy it in a fortnight!
Having brains certainly doesn't guarantee to make people intelligent drivers.
AlanH.

That would take some doing! Datto 1200s are pretty tough little jiggers.

[67hardtop]

...... Oh did I forget to mention she is a teacher [bigwhistle] :wasntme:
I have a mate exactly like this...he"s a teacher also...hmmmm

Cheers Rod

[simonmelb]

I blame the parents!

Looks like the son has not saved anything to help buy the car so has learned absolutely nothing about the consequences of his actions.

But lessons like this should have started when he was a toddler so too late when he was let loose on a big car! If my 3yo brakes something, looses something or hurts someone else she has to make it right and looses play school priveliges.

End of bad parenting rant!!!

[trog]

Not just the kids. My father seemingly took the stand that cars and all to do with them were a scam . The car was considered to him to be a necessary evil .Didn't stop him from manufacturing vinyl for seats and other uses. A handle down first car I had was in such poor shape that as a student all I could do was drive it further into the ground. A Chrysler 360 running on 5 cylinders and a Holed exhaust is not a good way to start a positive relationship with the automotive world.
Many years later despite trying to maintain a disco , for reasons outside my control the engine decided to die , so now back to being a professional pedestrian. Still have to be sure the batteries are fully charged in the phone and iPod though.

[trout1105]

My first car was a busted arse $100 Holden HK station wagon that I bought with my own money, Trust me when I say when I was 17 years old $100 was a bloody fortune.
I had that car for 2 years and it was a better vehicle when I sold it than when I bought it because I leaned How to do the maintenance and repairs because "Daddy" although he was a Fitter wouldn't do the work for me nor would he put his hands in his pocket to pay for it, He did however teach me how to do the work and to save my quids for the bits and pieces I needed/Wanted.
I am pretty sure I got a Far better deal than some spoilt Brat that gets everything for nothing [bigwhistle]

[Phil B]

Unfortunately a car is a consumable these days.
It was a prized possession when I got my 1st one but times change I suppose.

[1950landy]

My first car was a busted arse $100 Holden HK station wagon that I bought with my own money, Trust me when I say when I was 17 years old $100 was a bloody fortune.
I had that car for 2 years and it was a better vehicle when I sold it than when I bought it because I leaned How to do the maintenance and repairs because "Daddy" although he was a Fitter wouldn't do the work for me nor would he put his hands in his pocket to pay for it, He did however teach me how to do the work and to save my quids for the bits and pieces I needed/Wanted.
I am pretty sure I got a Far better deal than some spoilt Brat that gets everything for nothing [bigwhistle]


Your dad sound's like my dad. Also taught me if I couldn't afford to buy it than I didn't need it. [smilebigeye] When I was 12, I striped & reassembled a gear box by my self after watching him do jobs on his 56 Customline.

[trout1105]

Unfortunately a car is a consumable these days.
It was a prized possession when I got my 1st one but times change I suppose.

Hmmm
I doubt that many here would consider their much loved landrovers as a "Consumable" [bigwhistle]
I most certainly don't.

[Tombie]

Unfortunately a car is a consumable these days.
It was a prized possession when I got my 1st one but times change I suppose.

Nah... only those with a specific income level needing a tax break..

They just flip from one to the next... the rest are usually more committed...

[ATH]

Doesn't seem to be just their own vehicles they treat with contempt these days. I was sitting in the Defender sometime ago when waiting for the Cook when there was bump bang on the nearside when some horrid little **** in the BMW next door just threw the door open and it hit the side of the Defender.
His Mum happened to be coming out the shops at the time and I told her about it and she just said "Who cares......"
I was so gobsmacked I forgot to take her number and take any action to get the tiny dent repaired.
Everything is just throw away to so many people now.
AlanH.

[mike_beecham]

l am a teacher. I have many mates that are also. I am proud of what l do. I wouldn't consider owing to our profession, that we are all in some way incompetent with anything but a red pen. I find the stereotype laughable.

Michael

[Gordie]

l am a teacher. I have many mates that are also. I am proud of what l do. I wouldn't consider owing to our profession, that we are all in some way incompetent with anything but a red pen. I find the stereotype laughable.

MichaelMichael...my old teachers would have made them write "teachers drive land rovers too" x100 times on the blackboard for those infractions.[bigwhistle]

[BMKal]

Doesn't seem to be just their own vehicles they treat with contempt these days. I was sitting in the Defender sometime ago when waiting for the Cook when there was bump bang on the nearside when some horrid little **** in the BMW next door just threw the door open and it hit the side of the Defender.
His Mum happened to be coming out the shops at the time and I told her about it and she just said "Who cares......"
I was so gobsmacked I forgot to take her number and take any action to get the tiny dent repaired.
Everything is just throw away to so many people now.
AlanH.

I had one do this to me a while back in the main street of Kal. She didn't care either.

Neither did I as I ran the corner of my bull bar down the side of her little korean ****box as I was reversing out of my parking bay. [bigwhistle]

[ATH]

The Cook and I had just got in the Deafener a couple of years ago while in the Alice and woman next to us jumped into her buzz box, turned the key and reversed back quickly turning the wheel as she went.
I felt a small bump and got out to check and she was off...her front wing had contacted the rear bumperettes and left a large gouge right along near the top of the L/H wing. [bigsmile]
No damage to the bumperette.
Seems to me so many young ( and not so young) drivers think there's not a moment to spare when driving and it all has to be done fast to show how good they are. Doesn't impress most others I'm sure.
AlanH.

[ATH]

I think one of the problems is so many have never had to look after something because money was tight. Nowadays with easy credit (and plenty of bankrupts because of it) everything, cars especially, are treated with no regard for its needs, like checking oil or tyre pressures etc.
Heard a young ABC commentator recently admitting he didn't know how to change a tyre.... "Dad has always done that sort of thing...."!
AlanH.

[DiscoMick]

It's interesting to see how many young people are in no hurry to get their licences nowadays. Back in the day we were in straight away. Now some would rather drive a computer.

[JDNSW]

Yes, last school holidays I finally managed to get my two oldest grand daughters to get learners - but they were not really interested (16 & 18).

[Tombie]

Doesn't seem to be just their own vehicles they treat with contempt these days. I was sitting in the Defender sometime ago when waiting for the Cook when there was bump bang on the nearside when some horrid little **** in the BMW next door just threw the door open and it hit the side of the Defender.
His Mum happened to be coming out the shops at the time and I told her about it and she just said "Who cares......"
I was so gobsmacked I forgot to take her number and take any action to get the tiny dent repaired.
Everything is just throw away to so many people now.
AlanH.

Last time someone tried that with my vehicle - they needed some serious panel work repaired...

Steel caps, and a busted up knee was what I had to show
For it. But their vehicle - needed both doors and a guard....

You get a couple of chances, then I stop asking nicely. [emoji56][emoji48]

[cuppabillytea]

My Side Runners usually take care of those Nongs. [thumbsupbig]

[Hall]

My first car nearly had the same birthday as me. Was a slide window Mini. First and reverse had no synchro `s. I as new and eager driver soon took the teeth of first. That was when the fatherly tough love kicked in. Some tools handed to me with the detailed instructions, fix it. Did help though at the time that my brother is a mechanic. So was able to give advice when needed. Soon learn`t to look after what I drove. Hmm all those years passed and I owned a land rover with slide windows.
Cheers Hall

[DiscoMick]

I had one of those. The door handles would vibrate off while driving.
One weekend my father let me spend one and a half days trying to replace the radiator before he took pity and finished the job in a few minutes. I learnt a lot about my engine bay in that time though.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Most modern brake pads, and those Nissan Cubes are fairly modern, have a tab incorporated in the brake pad. When the pad wears down the tab squeals. This you all know but my point is how could junior not have heard the noise? Would have been loud, suppose he just turned the music up? Should be given a old series landy as a loan car whilst his is fixed. Then he will appreciate what he was driving more.
Cheers Hall
These days car manufacturers need device for some drivers that attached to their orchestras and to squeeze them to alert the driver some thing is wrong [bigsad]

[carjunkieanon]

Did you hear about the old farmer who bought his first car. The manual said, 'Drain oil after first 500km'. So he carefully did. Left a huge oil patch beside the road. Not too far down the road his engine seized.


As a kid I remember helping my dad strip down a Series 2 engine and rebuild. Would love to do that with my boys to teach them (and to save on paying mechanics to work on my TD5) but...and this may be a reason why many 'yoof' today don't know how to do stuff, tools cost a packet, you seem to need specialised computer software for many things, and...if you live in an apartment in a block of units, repairing cars without a garage gets tricky.

I know, I know. Excuses, excuses.

Will strip and rebuild the TD5 one day. One day when I don't need to drive it the next morning, or the morning after that, or the morning after that...

[d2dave]

Ok, last night a young bloke brought his car in to the servo, im looking after for a few months, said to me i think i should get a service done. My brakes have been noisy for about 3 weeks and on Monday the oil light came on. Well last night was Thursday. This morning i started doing the service and checking the brakes. The r/h/f rotor was metal to metal on the outside pad. I didnt need to measure the rotor, it was visibly 2mm below minimum thickness
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/267.jpg
Pads were stuffed of course. Funny thing is the l/h side was only 50% worn. I checked the tyres. All really good except right front. Been trying to do burnouts, with a Nissan Cube. He also said to check the transmission. Im waiting for parts as i write this, for the brakes.


Cheers Rod

I have seen worse. Many years ago I worked in a service station in the era where they all had workshops. (remember them)

We had a car come in for petrol and when he went to drive out the car would not move.

It turned out that he was driving metal to metal for so long that he had worn right through to the centre of the disc and the pad locked into the venting ribs.

He used to drive with the music loud and he never heard it.

[cuppabillytea]

These days car manufacturers need device for some drivers that attached to their orchestras and to squeeze them to alert the driver some thing is wrong [bigsad]

Interesting terminology, that givers insight into the Italian vocal prowess.
Also interesting concept that I would like fitted to every vehicle, so that it could be operated from my vehicle. [thumbsupbig]

[PAT303]

I deal with this all the time,I had a Camry that had gone 4 years without an oil change,a Vitara that went 3 years and I have a Kia in the driveway that no one knows when the oil was changed last and it has no brakes because the owner kept driving it until the rear shoes wore enough to allow the wheel cylinder seals to pop out.It's a very common thing. Pat

[67hardtop]

Ok, here's another one.

This started on Saturday at about lunch time. Man rings up says, in broken english that his Subaru needs a new clutch. It suddenly stopped driving. I advised him he needs to get it to us on a tow truck but on Monday. Parts are not available and we cant do a proper quote till then.

So a couple hours later man appears with a female friend who speaks better english. Re iterated what was said before and they left.

This morning a tow truck arrives with Subaru Forrester onboard. Towie drops it off and i thank him and carry on finishing service i was doing. After that i wandered over to the car and popped the bonnet. Had a quick look around and decided to see if it still runs. I opened the door and turned the key on, wound the window down and checked if it was in neutral. Wow did i get a surprise. It was an automatic. Hmmm how am i gonna replace that clutch.

So i started it up....blowing clouds of blue smoke and definatly not moving. So i check the trans oil. None on dipstick. So i check which oil it needs and put 2 litres of dex3 in it. Wow it moves. Checked for oil leaking underneath...no leaks. So i put it on the hoist. Some engine oil leaking from somewhere up high. So i lower it down and looked for leak. Oil seemed to be coming from air cleaner area. Removed air element. It was soaked in oil. I checked the oil level. It was about 6 inches up the dipstick. So im thinking how did this happen?

Upon closer inspection...the transmission drain plug had been butchered by stilsons or vice grips. Ah hah. Now i know what happened. The owner, in an effort to save $$, decided to change his own oil. He accidently drained the transmission, thats why it don't move, and refilled the engine oil. So the engine had 10 litres of oil in it and the trans had none. The vacuum action of the air intake was sucking oil up through the rocker cover breathers straight into the element and into the engine. Smoke blowing cause found.

So drained the engine.
Refilled the trans, it took 4 litres all together, clean oil in engine, 4 litres, new air filter and cleaned housing, ran engine for an hour to burn oil out of exhaust.

Result?

Happy car, happy customer, happy me coz he will be getting car serviced by us from now on, and money in the till.

Some ppl...

Cheers Rod

[cuppabillytea]

He's very lucky he has a Horizontally opposed engine.

[Tins]

He's very lucky he has a Horizontally opposed engine.

Could have been a Commer Knocker....

[Tins]

Ok, here's another one.

This started on Saturday at about lunch time. Man rings up says, in broken english that his Subaru needs a new clutch. It suddenly stopped driving. I advised him he needs to get it to us on a tow truck but on Monday. Parts are not available and we cant do a proper quote till then.

So a couple hours later man appears with a female friend who speaks better english. Re iterated what was said before and they left.

This morning a tow truck arrives with Subaru Forrester onboard. Towie drops it off and i thank him and carry on finishing service i was doing. After that i wandered over to the car and popped the bonnet. Had a quick look around and decided to see if it still runs. I opened the door and turned the key on, wound the window down and checked if it was in neutral. Wow did i get a surprise. It was an automatic. Hmmm how am i gonna replace that clutch.

So i started it up....blowing clouds of blue smoke and definatly not moving. So i check the trans oil. None on dipstick. So i check which oil it needs and put 2 litres of dex3 in it. Wow it moves. Checked for oil leaking underneath...no leaks. So i put it on the hoist. Some engine oil leaking from somewhere up high. So i lower it down and looked for leak. Oil seemed to be coming from air cleaner area. Removed air element. It was soaked in oil. I checked the oil level. It was about 6 inches up the dipstick. So im thinking how did this happen?

Upon closer inspection...the transmission drain plug had been butchered by stilsons or vice grips. Ah hah. Now i know what happened. The owner, in an effort to save $$, decided to change his own oil. He accidently drained the transmission, thats why it don't move, and refilled the engine oil. So the engine had 10 litres of oil in it and the trans had none. The vacuum action of the air intake was sucking oil up through the rocker cover breathers straight into the element and into the engine. Smoke blowing cause found.

So drained the engine.
Refilled the trans, it took 4 litres all together, clean oil in engine, 4 litres, new air filter and cleaned housing, ran engine for an hour to burn oil out of exhaust.

Result?

Happy car, happy customer, happy me coz he will be getting car serviced by us from now on, and money in the till.

Some ppl...

Cheers Rod

I hope your bill was commensurate. Without, obviously, scaring him away.

[V8Ian]

Could have been a Commer Knocker....
TS 3, now you're showing your age. [bigwhistle]

[Tins]

TS 3, now you're showing your age. [bigwhistle]

Been showing it all along. You just haven't been looking.

[cuppabillytea]

Could have been a Commer Knocker....

How much overfilling would it take to make that one blow smoke?

Seriously though: In a Vertical Engine, Pistons coming down into that full a crank case would be laming into the surface of the oil and each time they did the connrods would stretch a little until they were long enough to push the pistons into the head. Then Bang.
I read a long time ago, that over fastidious owners of the first Austin 1800s were putting too much oil in and blowing their motors. Austin's answer was to lower the full mark on the dipstick.

[Tins]

How much overfilling would it take to make that one blow smoke?

Seriously though: In a Vertical Engine, Pistons coming down into that full a crank case would be laming into the surface of the oil and each time they did the connrods would stretch a little until they were long enough to push the pistons into the head. Then Bang.
I read a long time ago, that over fastidious owners of the first Austin 1800s were putting too much oil in and blowing their motors. Austin's answer was to lower the full mark on the dipstick.

Yep. Not only Austins. MGs too. Same B series, but no gearbox in crankcase. So, MGs often ran with too low an oil level. BMC, and BL that followed, had serious issues....

Cuppa, I never worked on the Commer, I just dragged it up out of some dim recess. I saw a couple, and was sort of stunned. I mean, what were they thinking? It was an engineering marvel, though, and one well worth remembering through these threads.

[cuppabillytea]

Yep. Not only Austins. MGs too. Same B series, but no gearbox in crankcase. So, MGs often ran with too low an oil level. BMC, and BL that followed, had serious issues....

Cuppa, I never worked on the Commer, I just dragged it up out of some dim recess. I saw a couple, and was sort of stunned. I mean, what were they thinking? It was an engineering marvel, though, and one well worth remembering through these threads.

I agree. Perhaps we could have a "Guess the name of this Engineering Marvel Thread".

[Tins]

I agree. Perhaps we could have a "Guess the name of this Engineering Marvel Thread".

Ok, why not. I started the " What is it?" thread. Do you want the honours this time?

[cuppabillytea]

Ok, why not. I started the " What is it?" thread. Do you want the honours this time?

Well it could simply be included in the "What is it?" thread and keep its reach broad.

[Tins]

Well it could simply be included in the "What is it?" thread and keep its reach broad.

Chicken.

[cuppabillytea]

Chicken.

Ok I'll go but JDNSW will get every second one first go, you watch.

[Eevo]

He's very lucky he has a Horizontally opposed engine.

why did that make a difference?

[cuppabillytea]

why did that make a difference?

With the pistons going from side to side in the oil, the oil just sloshes around because free surface effect allows it to but if a piston slams down into the oil and encapsulates it , then hydraulic effect effect comes into play for an instant. The piston's travel will be momentarily halted but the Crank will keep turning. The Connecting Rod will stretch a little to compensate. Eventually the connrod will force the piston into the head and the Engine will be Poo Poo shortly after that.

[Tins]

Ok I'll go but JDNSW will get every second one first go, you watch.

He needs the challenge. He's been a little smug recently.

Besides, I have nothing.. Let him.

[Tins]

why did that make a difference?

You need to remember the original premise: This applies to an overfilled engine...

Billy may not have mentioned it...

[JDNSW]

Yep. Not only Austins. MGs too. Same B series, but no gearbox in crankcase. So, MGs often ran with too low an oil level. BMC, and BL that followed, had serious issues....

Cuppa, I never worked on the Commer, I just dragged it up out of some dim recess. I saw a couple, and was sort of stunned. I mean, what were they thinking? It was an engineering marvel, though, and one well worth remembering through these threads.

The Commer knocker took advantage of the fact that after the war German patents were free. The basic design was, if I remember rightly, introduced during WW1 by Junkers for submarine engines.

[incisor]

The Commer knocker took advantage of the fact that after the war German patents were free. The basic design was, if I remember rightly, introduced during WW1 by Junkers for submarine engines.

Must've been noisy old subs!

[V8Ian]

The Commer knocker took advantage of the fact that after the war German patents were free. The basic design was, if I remember rightly, introduced during WW1 by Junkers for submarine engines.
The TS3 shared design similarities with the ZG9, that was a pre-war design.

[JDNSW]

Um, which war? - I should have said the "Great War". I think the key Junkers patents were about 1913.

And yes, Inc, they would have been noisy, but nobody worried about noise in subs then. A similar design was used (again by Junkers) in the most successful diesel aeroplane engine to date, used in mainly long range aircraft in the 1930s and early 1940s.

[V8Ian]

I'm assuming (risky, I know) WWII, John.

Sulzer ZG9 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulzer_ZG9)

Commer TS3 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commer_TS3)

[Eevo]

With the pistons going from side to side in the oil, the oil just sloshes around because free surface effect allows it to but if a piston slams down into the oil and encapsulates it , then hydraulic effect effect comes into play for an instant. The piston's travel will be momentarily halted but the Crank will keep turning. The Connecting Rod will stretch a little to compensate. Eventually the connrod will force the piston into the head and the Engine will be Poo Poo shortly after that.


You need to remember the original premise: This applies to an overfilled engine...

Billy may not have mentioned it...


thanks guys, clear as oil. :)