Expensive Defender roll over

[rijidij]

Just saw this Defender on Pickles (https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-salvage/item/-/details/CP-06-10--Land-Rover--Defender--Wagon/802064710). I notice it's got one of my dual wheel carriers, a Mulgo pop top conversion and other mods.
I hope nobody was hurt in the accident, and also covered by insurance, because it's gunna cost a lot to replace it to the same specs.

Cheers, Murray
123650

[Marty90]

Pity,it's got some good stuff on it. Would've been someone's pride and joy.

[komaterpillar]

Somebody's dreams crushed, some serious coin has been spent on that!

[Tins]

I'm just speculating, but looking at that I wonder if anyone has ever told him about airing down.

[filcar]

I'm just speculating, but looking at that I wonder if anyone has ever told him about airing down.

The quality of the accessories fitted would indicate some careful research has gone into the construction of that vehicle, doesn't look like a vehicle a tyro would buy/build.

Just hope everyone was OK.

[Tins]

The quality of the accessories fitted would indicate some careful research has gone into the construction of that vehicle, doesn't look like a vehicle a tyro would buy/build.

Just hope everyone was OK.

Indeed, and as I said, I was speculating, based on first impression. I had a look at the site. The car has 102000 on the odo, so he's not new to it, and it's at Dubbo, so it's not like he lost grip on some rocky track in the VHC.

[Eevo]

should of bought a proper 4wd [bigwhistle]

[goingbush]

Interesting that the horrible plastic "bullbar" survived intact .

[alien]

Hope every one survived.

It looks like it's been a well thought out setup and as others have said some serious coin to get it nice.
I found this vehicle on Expedition Centre's face book page dated April 12, Expedition Centre - Home | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/expeditioncentre/)

[stealth]

I'm just speculating, but looking at that I wonder if anyone has ever told him about airing down.

Maybe not but I bet he knows a lot now about rolling down.

[Tombie]

I'm just speculating, but looking at that I wonder if anyone has ever told him about airing down.

Why do you say that?

[Marty90]

Hope every one survived.

It looks like it's been a well thought out setup and as others have said some serious coin to get it nice.
I found this vehicle on Expedition Centre's face book page dated April 12, Expedition Centre - Home | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/expeditioncentre/)

That's right. April 12. "The beast is ready for a 3 week desert trip". Poor bugger lost it on the maiden trip after that investment.

[Toxic_Avenger]

First post on facebook said 'where is the tilt tray to bring it back'. Sadly they weren't wrong.

I'd have a crack at straightening it out.
The bits that matter look relatively untouched.

EDIT: Statutory write off. Ugh. There goes all the fun.

[rijidij]

What a shame, it was a beast of a Defender.

'The Beast is Ready' (https://www.facebook.com/expeditioncentre/videos/1228738867243539/)

Cheers, Murray

[rijidij]

First post on facebook said 'where is the tilt tray to bring it back'. Sadly they weren't wrong.

I'd have a crack at straightening it out.
The bits that matter look relatively untouched.

EDIT: Statutory write off. Ugh. There goes all the fun.

Yeah, I think they're a bit quick to issue Stat Write offs sometimes. I was looking at a D90 Puma which was caught in a flood, but only the rear was dipped in the water, no damage or water to the dash, engine etc and no structural damage, not even a scratch on the paint, but because the water level was above the bottom of the doors and did enter the cabin (rear only) it was a stat write off. In reality it was a perfectly good car with less 'damage' than if you drove it through the odd river crossing.

Obviously a roll over is a different thing all together, but , depending on the speed etc that it happened at, it could be quite ok structurally and mechanically.

Cheers, Murray

[JDNSW]

A car becomes a statutory write off when the cost of the repairs less the value of the damaged vehicle exceed the sum insured.

In at least some states, or maybe it is some insurance companies, water entering the interior is automatically a write off, because of ongoing issues with flood damaged cars a few years ago.

There is nothing about being 'a bit quick' - the process is set down in black and white and is automatic as soon as the numbers are available.

[87County]

First post on facebook said 'where is the tilt tray to bring it back'. Sadly they weren't wrong.

I'd have a crack at straightening it out.
The bits that matter look relatively untouched.

EDIT: Statutory write off. Ugh. There goes all the fun.

Yes, I think it can be a "bit quick" at times - often convenient, and suits everyone from the dealers and insurance assessors down

While there are procedures to get a "statutory write-off" reregistered but I wouldn't suggest it at all, particularly in this case.

While I would like to see you have a crack at it Mitch, be aware that on a 90, 110, or 130, that once the original alignment of the panels and bulkhead is stretched or crimped it is almost impossible to return it to anything like original even with new doors.

I believe that most "write-offs" in good condition are put on the boat for NZ or South Africa where such rules do not apply, hence the surprising prices they often bring, but this example may not even be good enough for that.

[manic]

If you had say a mechanically stuffed older tdi with a rotten chassis. Could you transfer the VIN and body onto the rolled Puma and then get it engineered/appproved for the 'modifications'?

[VladTepes]

jeez, that's broken alright ! A real shame...


Interesting that the horrible plastic "bullbar" survived intact .

Hardly. It wasn't a frontal collision - probably never came into contact with anything.

[87County]

If you had say a mechanically stuffed older tdi with a rotten chassis. Could you transfer the VIN and body onto the rolled Puma and then get it engineered/appproved for the 'modifications'?

Probably not - the required ADRs apply to the chassis number of the damaged vehicle. VINs are now very specific even down to engine type.

A replacement new unnumbered chassis probably can be fitted, but with all sorts of paperwork and numbering complications. A fair bit of research needed.

[manic]

When you replace chassis with new you stamp the vin into the new chassis same as factory and keep a cut out of the old one . At least thats what I was told. No one bats an eyelid so long as the vin is stamped in the right place.

Using a puma chassis to replace your tdi chassis doesnt seem much different when you consider a replacement chassis from richards/marsland can be built to any spec you want. Mine is tdi front td5 rear.

Change a tdi engine to tdci is another matter. But I thought engine swaps were common, and not that hard to get approved if from same make and model?

[Toxic_Avenger]

While I would like to see you have a crack at it Mitch, be aware that on a 90, 110, or 130, that once the original alignment of the panels and bulkhead is stretched or crimped it is almost impossible to return it to anything like original even with new doors.


That was more of a 'hypothetical' have a crack at straightening it out. I won't be bidding sadly.

[karlz]

Looking at the pictures. Why didnt the air bag go off?

[Tombie]

Looking at the pictures. Why didnt the air bag go off?

Bwahahahaha

[Tins]

Why do you say that?

Because I observed the normal looking tyre profile, because I have seen a couple of rollovers due to lost grip in the high country, because it was a question that came to mind based on those factors. It seemed unlikely that the towie would have pumped them up. I then looked further into it, and found the car was in Dubbo, so those things were probably not the cause, and I said so.

Anyone who has done time in the high country knows the value of a bigger footprint and softer sidewalls.

[Tins]

A car becomes a statutory write off when the cost of the repairs less the value of the damaged vehicle exceed the sum insured.

In at least some states, or maybe it is some insurance companies, water entering the interior is automatically a write off, because of ongoing issues with flood damaged cars a few years ago.

There is nothing about being 'a bit quick' - the process is set down in black and white and is automatic as soon as the numbers are available.

That is State based, and not entirely correct. What you describe is a Financial Write Off, for insurance purposes. There is nothing to stop someone repairing a car that has been written off on financial grounds, but insurers won't do it for obvious reasons. If you want to spend 10,000 dollars repairing a 2,000 dollar car that is your look out.

A statutory write off is generally a car that is deemed unsafe to repair, that is, it is damaged in it's integrity so that it cannot be returned to the state where it complies with the ADRs that were in place when it was manufactured. What I find interesting is that NSW deems cars to be Statutory Write Offs when Victoria doesn't. I have seen cars in yards in NSW with SRO plastered all over them that would be deemed repairable down here.

[JDNSW]

My understanding is that the situation is as I described for NSW. The previous term "repairable write off apparently no longer exists in NSW - all write offs are "statutory".

[Tins]

My understanding is that the situation is as I described for NSW. The previous term "repairable write off apparently no longer exists in NSW - all write offs are "statutory".

That was why I mentioned NSW specifically. The laws there are draconian. I was in a wreckers in Smithfield recently. There was a six month old Ford Mondeo Titanium, less than 20,000 km. A 50 + thousand $$ car. It had been in a usual little traffic accident, front/rear. All the doors and the bonnet and tailgate worked perfectly. The airbag had not deployed. A ( I admit, very quick ) look underneath showed no rails were bent, all damage seemed to be cosmetic. In Vic, that car would have sold at auction for $35,000 minimum. In NSW, it was called a SRW, and was thus worthless as a car. I would say that took a further $20,000 off it's value, as who wants panels etc. off a car if anything else like it is already written off?

NSW is driving up all our insurance premiums for nothing. A car should be assessed as a SRW by someone qualified in the auto industry, not by some shiny arse in the insurance, or worse, RMS industry.

[Tombie]

What is happening is that much of the body structures are now being made of alloys that once fatigued can not easily be repaired and are strength compromised.

These are the next generation of throw away items.

[strangy]

What is happening is that much of the body structures are now being made of alloys that once fatigued can not easily be repaired and are strength compromised.

These are the next generation of throw away items.
Yes quite true.
I learnt something about this a few ago when my sons Chrysler 300 was hit from behind after only 5000kms.
We initially thought a straight forward repair as did the panel beater until some research was done.
Panel beater was explaining the new type alloys used and the effort and verifiable techniques/materials etc to repair the car to the same standard/required structural integrity following the crash.
Things are not as they used to be.

[JDNSW]

In other words, modern cars are expensive to repair properly - and consumer law, and nit picking on 'road safety', means they have to be repaired properly.

This makes a lot of what would have been called repairable write-offs, but the car rebirthing business found that these made a good basis for rebirthing cars, so the change was implemented to stop this.

[rgty_kmj]

Looks like the Statutory Right Offs live to see another day over this side of the Tasman

Land Rover Defender 0 Deposit Finance $278pw 2014 | Trade Me (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/land-rover/auction-1322129789.htm)

Kerry

[87County]

Looks like the Statutory Right Offs live to see another day over this side of the Tasman

Land Rover Defender 0 Deposit Finance $278pw 2014 | Trade Me (http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/land-rover/auction-1322129789.htm)

Kerry

see post #17 of this thread :)

[ramblingboy42]

Why do you say that?

I think we are on the same wavelength Tombie.

[Tins]

I think we are on the same wavelength Tombie.

Did you read my reply?? Thought not.

[Tins]

In other words, modern cars are expensive to repair properly - and consumer law, and nit picking on 'road safety', means they have to be repaired properly.

This makes a lot of what would have been called repairable write-offs, but the car rebirthing business found that these made a good basis for rebirthing cars, so the change was implemented to stop this.

Rebirthing stopped dead with VINs. A car listed as SWO cannot be registered. Simple, effective. It's NSW's draconian approach to what constitutes a SWO that is the issue.

[Tins]

What is happening is that much of the body structures are now being made of alloys that once fatigued can not easily be repaired and are strength compromised.

These are the next generation of throw away items.

Hard to see the Defender at the heart of this discussion falling into that category. Isn't that why they had to stop making them?

[JDNSW]

Rebirthing stopped dead with VINs. A car listed as SWO cannot be registered. Simple, effective. It's NSW's draconian approach to what constitutes a SWO that is the issue.

I agree - with both parts of your comment. The only bit that is not simple is the definition of a statutory writeoff.

NSW looked at repairable writeoffs rebuilt using the major parts of stolen vehicles and took the simple step of deciding that making all writeoffs the same would solve the problem, as well as that of dodgy repairs.

[cactipus]

I downloaded the certificate for the car and got the following;

Additional Motor Vehicle Details – NEVDIS
Identifier number: SALLDHMS7AA795612 Identifier type: VIN
Vehicle type: LIGHT COMMERCIAL
(<3500KG)
Make: LAN
Body type: PANEL VAN WITH WINDO Model: DEFENDER
Colour: GREEN Engine number: 100420023957244DT
Registration plate
number:
No data recorded. State vehicle registered: NSW
Registration expiry: No data recorded.
Year of manufacture: No data recorded. Year/Month of compliance: 2010-06
NEVDIS Written-off Vehicle Notification:
NSW, 18 May 2017, Statutory Write-off
• I01C [Impact | Passenger front | Heavy structural]
• I02C [Impact | Driver front | Heavy structural]
• I03C [Impact | Driver side | Heavy structural]
• I04C [Impact | Driver rear | Heavy structural]
• I05C [Impact | Passenger rear | Heavy structural]
• I06C [Impact | Passenger side | Heavy structural]
• I22C [Impact | A pillar passenger | Heavy structural]
• I23C [Impact | A pillar driver | Heavy structural]
• I24C [Impact | B pillar passenger | Heavy structural]
• I25C [Impact | B pillar driver | Heavy structural]
NEVDIS Stolen Vehicle Notification:
• Not recorded as stolen.


Not a great history.

I had considered getting a mechanically old defender and upgrading it with all the good stuff including the firewall dash and mechanicals.
The only issue is the engine change but an engineers certificate normally sorts that out.
The real issue is that if you did the upgrade on a 94 Defender, it's still a 94 defender, all be it a nice one, but not the same value as a 2010, that it was.

Richard

[Summiitt]

I had an accident in my 2013 130 puma and bent the chassis in 3 places, it was border line as to a write off. In the end the assessor found out that Landrover would make another chassis with my chassis/VIN. It took 4 months for the chassis to arrive, but the car was still drivable, so wasn't too much of an issue. Im glad now that it wasn't written off, repairs came in at $41k

[landy]

Can someone tell me,

If I do something stupid and write off my car my insurance will pay out X amount and thats tough for me.

But, if someone else hits me and writes the car off I can insist that their insurance, assuming they have insurance will repair my car.

Thoughts?

[manic]

.

I had considered getting a mechanically old defender and upgrading it with all the good stuff including the firewall dash and mechanicals.
The only issue is the engine change but an engineers certificate normally sorts that out.
The real issue is that if you did the upgrade on a 94 Defender, it's still a 94 defender, all be it a nice one, but not the same value as a 2010, that it was.

Richard

It will be interesting to see what it goes for. If you could put together a 2010 puma in 1994 clothing for way less than the current market price for a puma, you might be happy with that. But if you're going to spend money restoring a 94 you'd be better off restoring it to factory spec IMO.

[Tombie]

Can someone tell me,

If I do something stupid and write off my car my insurance will pay out X amount and thats tough for me.

But, if someone else hits me and writes the car off I can insist that their insurance, assuming they have insurance will repair my car.

Thoughts?

I sought advice on this... nope is the answer.. value only

[JDNSW]

I went through this a couple of years ago when I got run into from behind. The insurance company carried out repairs (eventually) and I never did hear from them exactly how much the repairs to the 110 cost, but the panelbeater hinted at a figure a couple of thousand above the "market value" of the 110, plus they paid about $700 for repairs to my trailer.

Complicating factor was that his insurance company was the same as mine, and also it took four months and about twenty hours on the phone, although this seems to be the par for any insurance claim.

[DeeJay]

I posted a comment on the Expedition Centres Facebook about it being a shame & Daniel replied.
We agree with you. This Defender had a roll over. Most importantly however is that both occupants walked away from the incident. One with minor scratches, the other with a broken rib only. Regards, Daniel @expeditioncentre

[Clickweezippo]

Man, that is so fixable.

All you need is a heat gun, couple of hammers, a dolly and some gumption.

A bit of spare time too.

[Clickweezippo]

That's gumption as in enthusiasm, not the bathroom cleaner.

[manic]

Any one know how much it sold for?