Traveling with guns

[crump]

When i'm on a trip, within QLD, I generally take along a rifle to pick off the odd cat, pig or a bunny for the pot. The gun is out of site and bolt removed etc whilst on the move, but was wondering how that stacks up legally, have always done it, but with the way the gun laws are going, can you still have a registered firearm in your possession, even though you are not on your way to a range or a place where you have permission to use it?I'm not on a shooting trip, I just take it "in case."

[disco95]

Good question, I'm sure there are quite a few shooters on this site who don't really know the rules in regards to this.
Though
I only shoot in 35mm, not about to go to jail for carrying my equipment around.

[rmp]

Originally posted by disco95
Good question, I'm sure there are quite a few shooters on this site who don't really know the rules in regards to this.
Though
I only shoot in 35mm, not about to go to jail for carrying my equipment around.

I only shoot RAW :-) But even our sort of shooting may become illegal, anyone with a camera may be deemed to be a pervert or terrorist. Possibly both.

[Ralph1Malph]

If your gunna carry it, do it proudly.

Fold the windscreen down

Move the gun mounting rollick to the off side drivers dash

Steer with your knees

Change cogs with the LH

Grasp the weapon firmly around the palm grip with the RH

but

Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard as you don't want to appear irresponsible :?

Regards
Ralph

[Slunnie]

I use a plastic coated bike lock wire and padlock and run it through the hole for the firing pin and then through the seatbelt, keep it in its bag and buried under stuff so its not visible.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I did my course a little while ago now. What I remember is that carrying th gun in a car is fine as long as it is not visible from the outside so as to cause alarm.

When travelling with it interstate you should have a destination that you are travelling to where you are going to shoot. IE travelling to a shooting comp in another state is fine. Travelling to a mate's property to shoot is ok. I'm not sure whether carrying to bag dinner is ok.

I think some states ask that you advise if you're carrying firearms to state parks etc.

[sclarke]

Gonna shoot dem bears......

Mammy get me mi gun, we got cumpanny.

Yeeeeeehhhhhaaaaahhhhhh... its the poooollllice


Serious note. Are you allowed to, i got told off for the revolver in the glovebox. i told them it was only for emergency use....
he asked what i classed as an emergency?
my reply "road rage?"

so as i type this from my Cell i laugh at the outside world.....

[VladTepes]

According to what I was taught when I went to get my (firearms) licence this most recent time...

In QLD at least.

Gun must be stored securely (now THAT is open to interpretation but assume it will be interpreted in someone else's interests and not yours).

When going to the range etc you should proceed directly from where the firearm is usually securely housed (eg at home) to the range, without stopping along the way.

If you were to, for example, stop at the shops and the firearm was half-inched from your car you could (as I understand it) be charged by the police for not properly securing it (demonstrated by the fact that it was pinched - you follow?).


Yes it's bloody stupid.


And I doubt you'll get anything more specific in writing from anyone 'official' because:
1. They are covering their own arses
2. They probably don;t know the answer anyway
3. They don't want you to come back at them if you folow their instructions but $hit still happens.... which brings us back to
4. They are covering their own arses



Frustrating isn't it.


I can remember walking thorugh town with 5 rifles (including one semi auto) in obvious rifle bags back before all this port arthur alarmist reactionary rubbish and I have never shot anyone.

Funny that - always the responsible gun owners that get shafted - easier than cracking down on crime you know.



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Did any of that help ?

[crump]

The best one was at the pistol buy back, drove to Brissy with the 357, 44 Mag and 22 auto, had no bags for em, it was a strange feeling walking into a police station carrying that much heat.

[Coastie]

A gun cabinet is the preferred method of transport with the bolt and ammunition housed separately and also locked away. (From my previous life in the blue suit.)

Which makes me think by the time you see the vermin, will it still be within 5k of you when you have assembled the weapon.

As much security as practicable/possible will be one of the replies.

Rifle secured to the vehicle and the bolt secured separately also to the vehicle. Similar to the gun cabinet requirements at home.

I'm not sure about the travelling with it just in case but people do on round australia trips to euthanase livestock they have met with the front of their car.

It is all very interpretive. Take all reasonable steps to secure and be nice to the magistrate if you meet him.

Pete

[Slunnie]

I was under the impression that you couldn't drive with your rifle, just in case you needed it for whatever reason.

[Bushie]

This site looks to give a reasonable summary of the various requirements

http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/securityleg...tion/lawnsw.htm (http://www.ssaa.org.au/newssaa/securitylegislation/lawnsw.htm)


NSW
2. Storage requirements.

Section 39 of the Act requires that a person who possesses a firearm shall take all reasonable precautions to ensure - "its safe keeping, and that it is not stolen or lost and that it does not come into the possession of a person who is not authorised to possess the firearm." Under Sections 40 and 41 of the Act, category A and B firearms must be stored in a locked receptacle of a type approved by the Commissioner. If the receptacle weighs less than 150kg when empty it must be fixed in position in order to prevent its easy removal. Category C, D and H firearms must be held in a receptacle of a type approved by the Commissioner which is bolted to the structure of the premises. All ammunition must be stored in a separate locked container approved by the Commissioner.

Under Clause 101 of the regulations, 'prohibited firearms' (category C and D) and all handguns, must be unloaded and carried separately from any ammunition when being transported. The Commissioner recommends that the bolt or firing mechanism be removed or be fitted with a restraining device such as a trigger lock. They must be carried in a locked container secured to the vehicle.

3. Hunting.

Hunting is only permitted on private property or crown land where permission has been given in writing.


QLD
2. Storage requirements.

Under Regulation 60 (3) the container used to store Category D, H or R firearms (other than a martial arts of historical or military weapon mentioned in Section 25a(1) must be made of solid steel and be bolted to the frame or floor of a permanent building. In the case of another class of firearm, the container must be made of solid steel or solid timber and if the container weighs less than 150 kilograms, then it is to be securely fixed to the frame or floor of a permanent building.

The container must also have a sturdy combination lock, keyed lock or keyed padlock. The container must also always be locked (other than for the time necessary to insert or remove a weapon, or something else, for a proper purpose.)

When a person who possesses a weapon must, when the weapon is not in the person's physical possession, store it in the way provided in sections 39 to 43, if there are, at the premises where the weapon is, more than

(a) a total of 30 category A,B,C or D weapons; or

(https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ 30 category H weapons.

To prevent any doubt, it is declared that subsection (2) does not apply while a weapon is in the physical possession of a body's representative endorsed on the licence, or another individual, under the authority of a licence held by the body.

3. Hunting.

· Hunting is permitted on private property where written permission has been given and the property is of sufficient area to shoot safely.

· Hunting is not permitted on Crown land.


etc....etc....


So carrying to shoot the odd pig/cat/bunny etc would appear to be illegal (unless you have the landowners written permission)


Bushie (who's never had a firearms licence, but is reasonably proficient with google ) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by VladTepes
According to what I was taught when I went to get my (firearms) licence this most recent time...

In QLD at least.

Gun must be stored securely (now THAT is open to interpretation but assume it will be interpreted in someone else's interests and not yours).

When going to the range etc you should proceed directly from where the firearm is usually securely housed (eg at home) to the range, without stopping along the way.

If you were to, for example, stop at the shops and the firearm was half-inched from your car you could (as I understand it) be charged by the police for not properly securing it (demonstrated by the fact that it was pinched - you follow?).


Yes it's bloody stupid.


And I doubt you'll get anything more specific in writing from anyone 'official' because:
1. They are covering their own arses
2. They probably don;t know the answer anyway
3. They don't want you to come back at them if you folow their instructions but $hit still happens.... which brings us back to
4. They are covering their own arses



Frustrating isn't it.


I can remember walking thorugh town with 5 rifles (including one semi auto) in obvious rifle bags back before all this port arthur alarmist reactionary rubbish and I have never shot anyone.

Funny that - always the responsible gun owners that get shafted - easier than cracking down on crime you know.



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Did any of that help ?
Interesting...in my course the instructor just said it can be carryed in your vehicle unsecured. His slant was the main requirement was that it was not to cause public alarm. IE, carrying your shotty on the dash is probably going to scare some people s*^tless. That's bad. Carrying it in the back of your wagon covered in a blanket is ok.??

If we're all getting different stories... it's going to be hard to pin charges..

[ATH]

Most of the legistlation on guns is totally useless as crims don't take any notice of the law.
The fact that most licenced gun owners are generally law abiding people who just want to enjoy their chosen sport doesn't matter to the hordes of pollies we have to pay for, or their snivelling bureaucrat mates who are only interested in their pensions and what else they can get out of their positions!
As long as they are seen to be doing something, anything, useless or otherwise, especially when it concerns guns, most of the public will believe the government are protecting their interests.
"Making Australia a safer place to live"!!!!!!!!!
Yeah some hopes, you're more likely to be killed by some loony driver than shot by a gun owner!
Alan H.

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by AlanH
Most of the legistlation on guns is totally useless as crims don't take any notice of the law.
The fact that most licenced gun owners are generally law abiding people who just want to enjoy their chosen sport doesn't matter to the hordes of pollies we have to pay for, or their snivelling bureaucrat mates who are only interested in their pensions and what else they can get out of their positions!
As long as they are seen to be doing something, anything, useless or otherwise, especially when it concerns guns, most of the public will believe the government are protecting their interests.
"Making Australia a safer place to live"!!!!!!!!!
Yeah some hopes, you're more likely to be killed by some loony driver than shot by a gun owner!
Alan H.

Indeedy doodely !!!!

[Bigbjorn]

I can remember walking thorugh town with 5 rifles (including one semi auto) in obvious rifle bags back before all this port arthur alarmist reactionary rubbish and I have never shot anyone.



Did any of that help ?

I used to catch two trams to go to the Enoggera range from my parent's home in New Farm carrying a naked SMLE .303. So did heaps of other target shooters.

A former colleague was working as a storeman at Lindum in Brisbane during the buyback. This was the depot that had the destruction presses and was also a receiving depot. He said they became quite blase about some of the weapons handed in. 20mm aircraft cannon, 50 cal machine guns,Vickers, Brens, and so on made quite regular appearances. He reckoned one guy who looked like a dangerous feral human handed in a WW2 Wehrmacht MG43 with 5000 rounds of belted ammunition. Mortars, grenades, shells, explosives of all kinds appeared. He said no wonder the army stopped using the Owen gun. So many were handed in the army probably had none left, all having been stolen.

[numpty]

On recent Hay River trip one of our friends had a gun with him. He did the RIGHT thing and contacted the police in every state we would be passing thru ie Qld, SA & NT ( he is from NSW) and was given special licence to carry/use the gun while on the trip.

Which is how it was we came to shot a pig and a camel while we were away.

Numpty's Missus

[stevo68]

Hmm story reminds me of when I was about 19 and I needed some $$$ to take my first love ( aaahhhhhh) away for a holiday on the Gold Coast ( I use to live in Sydney). So thought what could I flog, so pulled out shotgun, caught a train into town and walked down Elizabeth street with the shotty in a gun carry case. The looks I got :eek: , was pretty nerv wracking, but hey worth it, unit on the coast, 19, first love, need I say more :cool:

Regards

Stevo

[gruntfuttock]

In Switzerland nearly every home has a automatic military rifle WITH ammo. It is not uncommon to see a bloke walking up the street with it strapped on his back going to the target practice. Also you will often see them taking the train with them.
BTW they are never covered!!

When you retire from the army, they give you the rifle and several rounds of ammo "Just in case" and there are less problems over there with guns than here with all the restrictions.

[Yabbie]

Hmm story reminds me of when I was about 19 and I needed some $$$ to take my first love ( aaahhhhhh) away for a holiday on the Gold Coast ( I use to live in Sydney). So thought what could I flog, so pulled out shotgun, caught a train into town and walked down Elizabeth street with the shotty in a gun carry case. The looks I got :eek: , was pretty nerv wracking, but hey worth it, unit on the coast, 19, first love, need I say more :cool:

Regards

Stevo


Remember the rules mate no photo's, means it never happen ...... I'll be waiting in the mudpit:twisted:

[matbor]

Love this pic.... check out the cup holders :D

http://www.mmvehicles.com/MVC-004F.JPG

[Scouse]

Hmm story reminds me of when I was about 19 and I needed some $$$ to take my first love ( aaahhhhhh) away for a holiday on the Gold Coast ( I use to live in Sydney). So thought what could I flog, so pulled out shotgun, caught a train into town and walked down Elizabeth street with the shotty in a gun carry case. The looks I got :eek: , was pretty nerv wracking, but hey worth it, unit on the coast, 19, first love, need I say more :cool:

Regards

StevoDid you rob a bank or sell the gun ??
:) :)

[VladTepes]

Found this on the helpful QPOL website:





Storage

How do I need to store my weapons?

Firearms must be kept unloaded other than when being used to shoot, except where the firearm is being used under a security licence.

When not in a person's physical possession, a firearm/weapon must be stored unloaded in a locked container with the bolt removed or the action broken.

For category D, H or R weapons, the container must be a rigid structure made of solid steel and be bolted to the frame or floor of a permanent building.
For any other weapons, the container must be a rigid structure made of solid steel or timber and if it weighs less than 150kg, be securely fixed to the frame or floor of a permanent building.

The container also must have a sturdy lock and be kept locked when the weapon is not in use.

Away from secure storage facility

If a person is visiting Queensland or unable to reasonably return their weapon to their safe storage facility, all weapons, when not in their physical possession, must be stored unloaded in either:

a securely closed container with the bolt removed or with a trigger lock fitted; or
a locked container.The container must be either:

out of sight in a locked room of a permanent building; or
locked in the boot of a vehicle; or
out of sight, locked in a vehicle that does not have a boot.In or on vehicles

If the weapon is in a vehicle, it must be either:

locked in the boot; or
locked in a metal container fixed to the vehicle; or
in a securely closed container that is out of sight.The metal container or anything attached to it must not suggest a weapon is inside.

Alternate safe storage measures

An application can be made in writing to an authorised officer to take a particular safety measure for the safe storage of weapons other than those listed above.

The authorised officer must be satisfied that the proposed safety measure gives at least the same level of safety and security as the replaced measure.

There are additional storage requirements for collectors, dealers and other business premises.

How do I make a firearm temporarily inoperable?

Removing a firearm's bolt, breech block, firing pin or other integral part of the firing mechanism and securely storing it separately from the firearm renders it temporarily inoperable.

If the firearm's bolt, breech block, firing pin or other integral part of the firing mechanism cannot be removed, the firearm's trigger can be secured by a trigger lock. The lock's key must be securely stored separately from the firearm.

How is a firearm made permanently inoperable?

If the firing pin can be removed as a separate item, the pin must be removed and the end of the pin hole nearest the chamber must be welded closed.

If the firing pin cannot be removed as a separate item, the pin must be ground or cut so it cannot strike a round of ammunition in the chamber. The chamber must be made incapable of taking a round of ammunition by welding a steel insert into the end of the chamber or welding a steel rod vertically across the chamber.

The firing mechanism must be immobilised by welding its internal components together and to the trigger.

You will need to get a certificate from an approved armourer that certifies your firearm is permanently inoperable.



Last updated 09/12/2005





link is here: http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/weaponsLicensing/general/storage.htm