NSW police looking for witnesseses to this

[Roverlord off road spares]

Bus driver of school bus pulls out in front of Semi on M5 yesterday
NSW police are seeking witnesses to come forward.
Could have been messy with alleged 20 children on board.

Police have released CCTV footage of a near miss between a bus carrying school children and a truck on the M5 at Hammondville yesterday, and are appealing for witnesses to come forward.
About 7.50am yesterday (Thursday 1 June 2017), a bus carrying approximately 20 school children, allegedly pulled out in front of a semi trailer on the M5 causing the driver of the truck to brake heavily and jack-knife in order to avoid a collision.
Following the incident, passing motorists flagged down the bus driver and alerted police.
Officers from Liverpool Local Area Command spoke with the bus driver, a 59-year-old man, and commenced investigations.
The truck driver has also since been identified by police.
As investigations continue, officers have released CCTV footage of the incident and are appealing for any witnesses who have not yet spoken to police to come forward.



Police have released CCTV footage of a... - NSW Police Force (https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce/videos/10154866868481185/)

[trout1105]

Lets hope you can change the thread title to "Ex school bus driver pulls out in front of semi ".
What a Moron.

[Eevo]

great job by the truck driver. a very impressive save

[cuppabillytea]

That could have been a shocker. I can't imagine what the Bus Driver was thinking. He could have used the slip Lane.
The Truck Driver did a great job, even better if he didn't have to change his undies.

[trout1105]

The Truck Driver did a great job, even better if he didn't have to change his undies.
Cheers, Billy.


The Truckie did a Superb job, definitely an Undie Change moment.

[Tins]

That could have been a shocker. I can't imagine what the Bus Driver was thinking. He could have used the slip Lane.
The Truck Driver did a great job, even better if he didn't have to change his undies.

Exactly! My very first thought when I saw this in the online paper was; What was wrong with the slip lane?

I feel for the poor bloody truckie. Had this gone bad I'd bet a fair part of the unthinking community would be blaming him.

[Ausfree]

Yeah, I hope his job is on the line, that could have been nasty!!!:angry:

[67hardtop]

Exactly! My very first thought when I saw this in the online paper was; What was wrong with the slip lane?

I feel for the poor bloody truckie. Had this gone bad I'd bet a fair part of the unthinking community would be blaming him.
Without the cctv footage he would definatly have gotten the blame if he had hit the bus. Lucky kids

Cheers Rod

[Roverlord off road spares]

It's amazing of the skill of the semi driver, to pull up like that, it could have been very nasty.
Too right about the cam, as said without footage the poor trucky would have surely got the blame for running up the rear bus., like not keeping a safe distance. On the roads these days you just got to expect the unexpected and be on the look out.

[V8Ian]

No collision but plenty of damage, all that smoke is at least eleven grands worth of tyres wrecked. There could be panel damage to the back of the cab and/or the front of the trailer also.
Dunno what the bus driver was thinking, why was he in the exit lane, sure as, there's no bus stop there.
It's clowns like him that give all heavy vehicle drivers a bad rap.

[DiscoMick]

It's hard to imagine why the bus driver even had his vehicle in that position.

[Eevo]

is it possible, with the road being curved, the bus driver didnt have full visibility?

[bee utey]

is it possible, with the road being curved, the bus driver didnt have full visibility?

No. Is it possible the bus driver is a senile old fool?

Truck driver avoids 'catastrophic' crash with bus carrying school children on Sydney's M5 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-02/school-bus-merge-causes-truck-crash-highway-chaos/8583746)

The video clearly shows the bus driver trying to exit from the entry way of a slip lane, he could have exited in the proper manner only 100m down the road. The bus driver may well have had the sun in his eyes but that is no excuse for trying to re-enter the highway in the manner shown.

[Tins]

No collision but plenty of damage, all that smoke is at least eleven grands worth of tyres wrecked. There could be panel damage to the back of the cab and/or the front of the trailer also.
Dunno what the bus driver was thinking, why was he in the exit lane, sure as, there's no bus stop there.
It's clowns like him that give all heavy vehicle drivers a bad rap.

Al that smoke also hides whatever else went on in the background. Some poor sod may have gone under the trailer.

[Saitch]

NSW police looking for witnesseses to this

Why????????????????????????

[Roverlord off road spares]

NSW police looking for witnesseses to this

Why????????????????????????
Probably to ascertain what happened before the incident footage, the reason the bus was there etc

[Saitch]

Probably to ascertain what happened before the incident footage, the reason the bus was there etc

I wouldn't think anything previous would/could diminish the recklessness of the bus driver, even if it is a case of "A man makes one little mistake!"
Just my opinion, mind!

[DiscoMick]

That truck driver probably saved the lives of those 20 kids by his skill in pulling up safely.

[Tins]

I wouldn't think anything previous would/could diminish the recklessness of the bus driver, even if it is a case of "A man makes one little mistake!"
Just my opinion, mind!

In this incident it's hard not to agree. But the authorities like to dot the'i's etc. If something like this comes to court, as it would have if any of those kids on the bus were injured or killed, then they want to get all their ducks in a row. So, calling for witnesses has become standard procedure.

[V8Ian]

That truck driver probably saved the lives of those 20 kids by his skill in pulling up safely.
He did well, pulling it up, but there's not much skill needed to push the brake pedal to the floor. He was a passenger after the wheels locked.

[Tins]

He did well, pulling it up, but there's not much skill needed to push the brake pedal to the floor. He was a passenger after the wheels locked.

Indeed, and a bloody scared one at that. He's lucky it went left, not right, although he may have had some say in that.

[V8Ian]

Indeed, and a bloody scared one at that. He's lucky it went left, not right, although he may have had some say in that.
I reckon he did, but there is simply no time to grab the hand piece and effect the action in the most controlled manner.

[Tins]

I reckon he did, but there is simply no time to grab the hand piece and effect the action in the most controlled manner.

Nope. I always liked to think that I could have the reaction time and clarity of thought, but I never did. It all happens so fast.

[DiscoMick]

He will be charged with dangerous driving endangering public safety or something similar I assume, so they will want witnesses for the case.

BTW is that a Defender that comes past the skidding truck with lights on? Seems to have square headlights. I enlarged it on my phone, but I'm not sure.

[V8Ian]

He'll be done for 'Drive with undue care or attention ' or 'Fail to give way', neither are licence killing offences. If his boss is made aware of the faux par, it could be job killing though.
Either or both of the drivers could be female. [bigwhistle]

[Eevo]

do trucks have abs? i assume not?

[Tins]

He'll be done for 'Drive with undue care or attention ' or 'Fail to give way', neither are licence killing offences. If his boss is made aware of the faux par, it could be job killing though.
Either or both of the drivers could be female. [bigwhistle]

Not sure how NSW operates here, but in Vic he'd need what's known as a Driver's Authority ( Used to be a Driver's Certificate ). If a transgression is deemed serious enough then his entitlement to this may be reviewed. Probably wouldn't be though, as there was no actual "accident" ( misnomer: very few collisions are "accidental".).

[Ausfree]

Public passenger vehicle drivers in NSW do require a Drivers Authority!!

[Tins]

Public passenger vehicle drivers in NSW do require a Drivers Authority!!

Thought they would. Can't imagine Victoria inventing them alone.

[grmas1]

do trucks have abs? i assume not? New trucks do, or at least Scania ones have EBS which is a more advanced braking system. Even some trailers now have EBS functions.

[Tins]

New trucks do, or at least Scania ones have EBS which is a more advanced braking system. Even some trailers now have EBS functions.

ABS/EBS is common on more modern prime movers, but not on trailers. Tankers will have it, as did the glass trailer I posted in the "What is this?" thread.

[Bearman]

No collision but plenty of damage, all that smoke is at least eleven grands worth of tyres wrecked. There could be panel damage to the back of the cab and/or the front of the trailer also.
Dunno what the bus driver was thinking, why was he in the exit lane, sure as, there's no bus stop there.
It's clowns like him that give all heavy vehicle drivers a bad rap.

Not wrong there Ian!!
Hopefully he/she will lose their DA and not be able to do that again. No excuses when driving a school bus especially.

[disco gazza]

I heard on the radio from the school that he's only been recently employed and that he is an immigrant.

He is 60 yrs old or thereabouts.

A prado driver and dog and pig managed to pull him into a leeway until police arrived.

He was going to continue going to wherever.

The truckie did an amazing job of not collecting the side/rear of that bus.

cheers

[TimNZ]

A prado driver and dog and pig managed to pull him into a leeway until police arrived.



I beg your pardon?

Cheers,

[cuppabillytea]

I beg your pardon?

Cheers,
He means the Mud Truck and Trailer. Mind you that unit was a bit hard up the freckle of the one in front.

[Tins]

I heard on the radio from the school that he's only been recently employed and that he is an immigrant.


cheers

I have been a "professional" driver for more years than I care to count, so please don't think I'm defending this numbskull, but I have to ask: immigrant from where?

Most people who visit SE Asia from here are absolutely horrified when they see how the roads work there. Me? I can be dispassionate. I see a system that actually works. If driving is what you DO, then you will work it out. It will be scary, but it is doable. In Thailand, or Vietnam ( more, probably, but I can't speak for them ), the traffic would have all accommodated that bus. It's the way it happens. The truck would have moved to his right a little, and so would all the others. In many ways it is superior to the I'm right and you're wrong, this is MY lane approach we have here. We are far too advanced on our path to ever accept this, so let's not try.

So, who is at fault here. The obvious answer is ; the bus driver. Ok, why? A: well, he pulled out in front of the truck. ( Make no mistake here, I've been there, and had he pulled out in front of MY B Double I would be having harsh words.) But that is blame, not fault. The fault may lie with who it was who gave him his Licence, or his DA. Or both. The cultural divide between SE Asia, Asia, China and here is immense.

So, I asked who's at fault. I'll tell you. It's the idiot bureaucrat who rubber stamped his Licence, same as they rubber stamp nearly everyone's licence. It's the system that tells us that somebody must be to blame. It's the system that teaches, and tests, kids through computer sims. It's the system that teaches NO one to DRIVE. If that is how we teach our kids, why carry on when someone from somewhere else ****s up? Because he's different, that's why. Believe me, I have seen FAR worse than this from people born here.

Imagine if you went to Bangkok and had to drive. Could you? I reckon I could, but that's not because I think I'm special, it's because I observe, something I've learned. I know that none of my family could, as they grew up within 'the rules'.

I stated at the outset that I'm not sticking up for this numbskull, but maybe I should be, as he's a product of our hopeless system. One way or the other. Here, everyone thinks the 'system' will protect them. The arrogance this breeds is staggering.

I'm quite sure that this particular bus driver will be dealt with. But I'm equally sure the 'problem' won't be.

[DiscoMick]

Good words. I drove in Bangkok for three years, so I know what you mean. Road rage is pointless there, because you'd be continually angry.
If there's space for four lanes, then why only have three? Slow down, ooze through the gaps, let others in and out, turn up the air conditioning, play music, fiddle with your phone, stare at the shops, flow with the go - it's all good.

[Tins]

A prado driver and dog and pig

Bit of a tough gig for a Prado, IMO. Lol.

[Tins]

Good words. I drove in Bangkok for three years, so I know what you mean. Road rage is pointless there, because you'd be continually angry.
If there's space for four lanes, then why only have three? Slow down, ooze through the gaps, let others in and out, turn up the air conditioning, play music, fiddle with your phone, stare at the shops, flow with the go - it's all good.

Another reason I want to live there. I am sick of anger. The way you are accommodated, be it on the highway, or at night on the Silom market, is a joy. Beats the hell out of fighting for my lane in a B Double because some idiot thinks he needs to be in front of me. I can't tell you how much of my time was spent in preventing people from using me as their suicide vehicle.

[Tins]

Good words.

Thank you, BTW. I missed that first time around.

[V8Ian]

Spot on John. It's quite similar in this country, as you, I and most interstate truck drivers will know each state and city even have their own peculiarities. Different styles, different demographics, different enforcement and different rules flouted, ignored or unknown.
Granted, the gulf isn't as wide within this country as it is between Australia and India or SE Asia, but one has to familiarise one's self when driving in a different area.

[Tins]

Spot on John. It's quite similar in this country, as you, I and most interstate truck drivers will know each state and city even have their own peculiarities. Different styles, different demographics, different enforcement and different rules flouted, ignored or unknown.

Indeed. However, weren't we supposed to have a National Regulator? Some joke. I still believe that road rules should, no, must be national. People's lives depend on this basic stuff. For EVERYONE, not just trucks.



Granted, the gulf isn't as wide within this country as it is between Australia and India or SE Asia, but one has to familiarise one's self when driving in a different area.

Ian, most people are incapable of familiarising themselves with the next suburb. I don't blame them for this. It is a fact of life that some people can do things that others can't. For example, I suck at deciphering PC boards, or doing an inventory, or performing surgery.

I could go on about this, but best not. Suffice to say, our licencing system in this country is a disgrace, and I will happily debate that with anyone who wants to, possibly in another thread.

[101RRS]

The bus driver was interviewed on TV - yes he is a "new Australian" from the middle east (not that it matters). He was extremely apologetic and seemed like a genuine guy. While he did not say the kids in the bus had been playing up, he did indicate that the kids had been dancing in the isle. So maybe that was the reason he pulled over in the first place - the kids were playing up - and maybe after settling them and wanting to pull back out into the traffic the kids stated playing up again and he was distracted.

Maybe we need to let the the police sort out what is relevant and what is not and if his immigrant background is at all relevant.

[cuppabillytea]

I have been a "professional" driver for more years than I care to count, so please don't think I'm defending this numbskull, but I have to ask: immigrant from where?

Most people who visit SE Asia from here are absolutely horrified when they see how the roads work there. Me? I can be dispassionate. I see a system that actually works. If driving is what you DO, then you will work it out. It will be scary, but it is doable. In Thailand, or Vietnam ( more, probably, but I can't speak for them ), the traffic would have all accommodated that bus. It's the way it happens. The truck would have moved to his right a little, and so would all the others. In many ways it is superior to the I'm right and you're wrong, this is MY lane approach we have here. We are far too advanced on our path to ever accept this, so let's not try.

So, who is at fault here. The obvious answer is ; the bus driver. Ok, why? A: well, he pulled out in front of the truck. ( Make no mistake here, I've been there, and had he pulled out in front of MY B Double I would be having harsh words.) But that is blame, not fault. The fault may lie with who it was who gave him his Licence, or his DA. Or both. The cultural divide between SE Asia, Asia, China and here is immense.

So, I asked who's at fault. I'll tell you. It's the idiot bureaucrat who rubber stamped his Licence, same as they rubber stamp nearly everyone's licence. It's the system that tells us that somebody must be to blame. It's the system that teaches, and tests, kids through computer sims. It's the system that teaches NO one to DRIVE. If that is how we teach our kids, why carry on when someone from somewhere else ****s up? Because he's different, that's why. Believe me, I have seen FAR worse than this from people born here.

Imagine if you went to Bangkok and had to drive. Could you? I reckon I could, but that's not because I think I'm special, it's because I observe, something I've learned. I know that none of my family could, as they grew up within 'the rules'.

I stated at the outset that I'm not sticking up for this numbskull, but maybe I should be, as he's a product of our hopeless system. One way or the other. Here, everyone thinks the 'system' will protect them. The arrogance this breeds is staggering.

I'm quite sure that this particular bus driver will be dealt with. But I'm equally sure the 'problem' won't be.
The way it is in a nut shell. Excellent post. Nothing to add.


Good words. I drove in Bangkok for three years, so I know what you mean. Road rage is pointless there, because you'd be continually angry.
If there's space for four lanes, then why only have three? Slow down, ooze through the gaps, let others in and out, turn up the air conditioning, play music, fiddle with your phone, stare at the shops, flow with the go - it's all good.
Istanbul is similar. Door handle to door handle, and the cops have their lights flashing constantly whilst waiting their turn like everyone else. Athens is similar but totally wild and great fun for adrenaline junkies.


Spot on John. It's quite similar in this country, as you, I and most interstate truck drivers will know each state and city even have their own peculiarities. Different styles, different demographics, different enforcement and different rules flouted, ignored or unknown.
Granted, the gulf isn't as wide within this country as it is between Australia and India or SE Asia, but one has to familiarise one's self when driving in a different area.
Toowoomba springs to mind. [wink11]

[Tins]

The bus driver was interviewed on TV - yes he is a "new Australian" from the middle east (not that it matters). He was extremely apologetic and seemed like a genuine guy. While he did not say the kids in the bus had been playing up, he did indicate that the kids had been dancing in the isle. So maybe that was the reason he pulled over in the first place - the kids were playing up - and maybe after settling them and wanting to pull back out into the traffic the kids stated playing up again and he was distracted.

Maybe we need to let the the police sort out what is relevant and what is not and if his immigrant background is at all relevant.

That is the job of the police; sorting out the ***t from the dross, and informing the relatives, and I, for one, don't envy them that. That's the trouble with uniforms. I've worn them, and so have/do my family. Not this one, particularly' but nevertheless. I believe you have taken my comments out of context, perhaps deliberately, perhaps not.


"he did indicate that the kids had been dancing in the isle."

Hard to speak for NSW. In Vic, most school bus contracts require seat belts. As new contracts come on line, or older ones are renewed, seat belts will be required.
Now,I say that, as I know it is fact. NSW may be moving differently. So, the seat belt thing may have no relevance, and the apparent age of the bus probably agrees with that.
However, all of that is irrelevant. Part of my driving career was driving school bus routes. It's actually a difficult gig, and requires a level of control and discipline they don't teach you. You've got a DA, of course you can drive kids... Well, I dare you. Unless you have the patience of Job, you have spent at least ten years as a teacher, or you are mainlining valium, it is not easy. The best way to deal with unruly kids, and this only works on the afternoon 'going home' run is to stop. Pick up the paper or a book, and wait. They'll work it out eventually.
I don't disagree, garrycol, but I'll challenge you to control a bus load of schoolkids. Once you've done that, get all 57 ( Vic, max number) to put on their seat belts, which, I might add, would be YOUR responsibility if they are under 16 yrs old (Vic), then I'll listen to you and your critique.
This stuff is easy if all you do is read the paper.

[Tins]

The way it is in a nut shell. Excellent post. Nothing to add.


:wasntme:
Well, yes it was. I can't find the 'blush" emoji. Glad you got it though.


Toowoomba springs to mind. [wink11]

Really?? Popping through there on a Friday or Sunday evening, I'd have to disagree.... NOT. I prefer the trip into Brisvegas that way nowadays, as the run down the hill is great if you're not to heavy, It saves around 20 minutes these days, as the Cunningham still sucks. However!!! The fine folk of Toowoomba now seem to think they live ion a CITY. At least the Warwick residents haven't got that far...

[cuppabillytea]

:wasntme:
Well, yes it was. I can't find the 'blush" emoji. Glad you got it though.



Really?? Popping through there on a Friday or Sunday evening, I'd have to disagree.... NOT. I prefer the trip into Brisvegas that way nowadays, as the run down the hill is great if you're not to heavy, It saves around 20 minutes these days, as the Cunningham still sucks. However!!! The fine folk of Toowoomba now seem to think they live ion a CITY. At least the Warwick residents haven't got that far...
Ah,, so you know them. You'll be ok then.
They have two Airports and a Cathedral I think. That makes them a City all Right.

[Tins]

Ah,, so you know them. You'll be ok then.
They have two Airports and a Cathedral I think. That makes them a City all Right.

Don't knock the Airport, Billy. The Feds could have done worse than to get that mob to develop Badgery's. As for the rest, come and visit Bendigo. Now, there's a Cathedral.

[cuppabillytea]

Don't knock the Airport, Billy. The Feds could have done worse than to get that mob to develop Badgery's. As for the rest, come and visit Bendigo. Now, there's a Cathedral.
I would't knock the Airport. It's a fine Airport and you can see it from my brothers house on Gowrie Mountain.
I've also visited the Magnificent Cathedrals of Bendigo, both St Paul's and the even grander Sacred Heart.
They'll have to bite the bullet on Badgery's soon.

[Tins]

I would't knock the Airport. It's a fine Airport and you can see it from my brothers house on Gowrie Mountain.
I've also visited the Magnificent Cathedrals of Bendigo, both St Paul's and the even grander Sacred Heart.

Should have known. Of course you have. Like to meet up for one of your cuppas one day....

[cuppabillytea]

Should have known. Of course you have. Like to meet up for one of your cuppas one day....

More than welcome.

[Ausfree]

As a semi-retired bus driver I can vouch for how difficult it is to do school runs. When I eased off from full time driving, the company offered me several school runs and I rejected them out of hand, I will continue to do route work and even then the school kids (particularly primary age school kids) who get on the bus are noisy and sometimes difficult to control. I'm afraid I haven't the patience to nursemaid unruly schoolkids. The problem is if you are distracted from driving (as it appears this bloke might have been) YOU THE DRIVER get the blame if you have an accident and kids are hurt. I don't want anything to do with that.:thumbsdown:

[rangieman]

I don`t care if said driver got distracted , Any bus driver in my opinion should be professional with that amount of young or older lives in their control not mentioning anyone else driving on the road with them.

That was just plain dumb and ignorant and i see this every day with any form of vehicle for that .

For example i did a 700 k return country rd trip yesterday and yes how many idiots i saw was un bloody believable .
Not one bloody copper seen oh about half a dozen speed camera`s , So the majority of these people can not maintain speed on a country road and this varied in a 100 k zone they varied from 100 k to 60 k and this was daylight and a clear sunny day at that then you get the tools sit up ya bum in a road construction area , Pass way over posted the limits , Pass on double lines and this was in the day light wait for the trip home:bat:

Lets just say the trip home was very frustrating with a camper in tow how many people that don`t know how to drive with head lights coming at them is astounding , I would have counted maybe 25 cars on country single lane roads that as soon as some heads lights were coming at them the brakes would be jammed on and then there were slight curves that were more than capable of being driven at the posted 100 k limit yep brakes jammed on from maybe 9o k to yes 60 k and below.

All these idiots if they suffered night blindness which my partner in her caring voice tried to justify their stupidness Should not be driving of a night simple .

What i`m getting at here is the level of education for new drivers young old or immigrants ever 457 visa holders is just plain poor , Also the government`s (police) are more on revenue raising with safety devices than actually policing the roads and yeah i get it they are understaffed so who`s fault is it (Goverment).

[Eevo]

I'm afraid I haven't the patience to nursemaid unruly schoolkids.

when i was in primary school, most of our drivers didnt have patience either. if we acted up, the driver would open the front door while doing 60. opening the door causes the brakes to lock on. the bus would come to a screeching halt and kids would go flying. once the bus was stopped, the driver would turn around and ask, did someone want to get off? with all the noise, i thought someone wanted to get off. he would close the doors and keep driving with us all silent.

cant do that now days.

[Ausfree]

when i was in primary school, most of our drivers didnt have patience either. if we acted up, the driver would open the front door while doing 60. opening the door causes the brakes to lock on. the bus would come to a screeching halt and kids would go flying. once the bus was stopped, the driver would turn around and ask, did someone want to get off? with all the noise, i thought someone wanted to get off. he would close the doors and keep driving with us all silent.

cant do that now days.
You are right, you would get the sack if you did that. The rules nowadays are you cannot discipline the kids or raise your voice. The only thing you can do (as one poster has already mentioned) is to stop the bus and wait until the children settle down.

[101RRS]

I believe you have taken my comments out of context, perhaps deliberately, perhaps not.

Hmm what makes you think I was referring to anything you said? In fact I have no idea what you have said because I have not read anything you have said and if I was referring to anything you said I would have quoted it.

I saw the interview and just commenting my interpretation of what was said nothing more, nothing less.

[Tins]

Hmm what makes you think I was referring to anything you said? In fact I have no idea what you have said because I have not read anything you have said and if I was referring to anything you said I would have quoted it.

I saw the interview and just commenting my interpretation of what was said nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry, thought you were keeping up with the thread. No offence meant.

[DiscoMick]

Unruly kids can certainly be a problem, particularly for a driver on their own.
Kids have to be trained in sensible behaviour on public transport. Parents don't seem to do it much, so it falls on drivers.
On sports days our students are accompanied by teachers and the drivers work for the school and are experienced at handling kids, so the kids quickly learn the score.
Troublemakers are made to sit with the teacher.
If they play up they get banned from the bus next sports day and left at school to do study catch up, so they don't like that.
They usually grow up by about Year 9 and make better choices. Those who don't shape up often end up being expelled.

[Tins]

Unruly kids can certainly be a problem, particularly for a driver on their own.
Kids have to be trained in sensible behaviour on public transport. Parents don't seem to do it much, so it falls on drivers.
On sports days our students are accompanied by teachers and the drivers work for the school and are experienced at handling kids, so the kids quickly learn the score.
Troublemakers are made to sit with the teacher.
If they play up they get banned from the bus next sports day and left at school to do study catch up, so they don't like that.
They usually grow up by about Year 9 and make better choices. Those who don't shape up often end up being expelled.

That all sounds good. However, there are teachers and then there are teachers. On sports days or other short excursions the teacher will generally take control. This is especially so with primary kids. On a school camp? Not so much. 40 plus kids on the bus, with the teachers sitting in the very front seats discussing last night's TV show or whatever that interests them at the time. The poor SOB driving the bus can see in the mirror the stuff going on, and it is ultimately his/her responsibility. I have taken camps to the middle of nowhere, to Dinner Plain over Hotham in the season, into Suggan Buggan and Willis, up from Bairnsdale through Gelantipy. I have taken them along the GOR. I didn't really have time to supervise the kids as well as keep the bus/coach on the road. But I was expected to.

On school runs, of course, there are no teachers. It is totally up to the driver to be in control. It's not a job for the faint hearted, as kids will soon pick out your weaknesses. A DA and HR Licence in no way trains you for being a school bus driver. That said, some of the best fun I've had has been driving primary school kids, and Probus or Elderly Cits around. Both groups are out to have fun, and the driver gets included.