Red Motor Starter motor Wires

[Lionelgee]

Hello Dark & other Red Motor Holden owners,

It has been such a long time since I disconnected my old starter motor and had some free time to install the new one. In the interim I have forgotten which wires go where on the starter motor. The starter motor is a Bosch BXH137.

There is a wire that has a copper strap It has a very short terminal post so it looks like nothing else is meant to be fitted to it. I could be wrong though.

There was a wire hanging down that had a female spade fitting that matched the male spade fitting on the starter motor - shown in red in the attached diagram.

There was also a wire with an eyelet or ring crimp fitting that I have connected to the remaining terminal post. It is funny how new starter motors do not come with any nuts or spring washers!

This wire - marked in blue in the diagram leads back to the starter solenoid. I just traced the wire back t confirm it.

Do I have this right or have I connected things incorrectly? Is there meant to be any other wires connected?

Yes, next time I will take photographs before I disconnect things! All wires involved having black insulation does not help matters either!

I would appreciate any assistance

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Tins]

Hello Dark & other Red Motor Holden owners,

It has been such a long time since I disconnected my old starter motor and had some free time to install the new one. In the interim I have forgotten which wires go where on the starter motor. The starter motor is a Bosch BXH137.

There is a wire that has a copper strap It has a very short terminal post so it looks like nothing else is meant to be fitted to it. I could be wrong though.

There was a wire hanging down that had a female spade fitting that matched the male spade fitting on the starter motor - shown in red in the attached diagram.

There was also a wire with an eyelet or ring crimp fitting that I have connected to the remaining terminal post. It is funny how new starter motors do not come with any nuts or spring washers!

This wire - marked in blue in the diagram leads back to the starter solenoid. I just traced the wire back t confirm it.

Do I have this right or have I connected things incorrectly? Is there meant to be any other wires connected?

Yes, next time I will take photographs before I disconnect things! All wires involved having black insulation does not help matters either!

I would appreciate any assistance

Kind Regards
Lionel

Looks fine to me. The other post should be left alone. It is only energised as the solenoid throws, to send power to the starter itself.
Depending on the car, there may have been something else connected to the other 'ring' terminal, to take always on battery power elsewhere. The only way you'll find that out, if there is not anything obvious hanging around, is when something else doesn't work.

[Lionelgee]

Looks fine to me. The other post should be left alone. It is only energised as the solenoid throws, to send power to the starter itself.
Depending on the car, there may have been something else connected to the other 'ring' terminal, to take always on battery power elsewhere. The only way you'll find that out, if there is not anything obvious hanging around, is when something else doesn't work.

Hello John,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I did a loose wire reconnoitre and could find nothing else hanging around.

It even worked - I found out when I was turning the ignition switch to get my electric fuel pump working so I could flush the newly installed fuel lines before connecting them up.

When I could not hear any clickety click sounds coming from the electric pump that should start as soon as the ignition was turned on, I turned the key just that little more. Next thing the start motor engaged very robustly.

The last time I tried this, when the old starter motor was installed, it gave a gasp and a very slow wh...iii ...ii ...rrrr ... rrr ... rr .....r - - - - - - flat-line. However, back when the old starter motor became deceased I could still hear that the fuel pump was clicking as I let get of the key and it returned to the ignition "on" position.

Now there is no sound of the the fuel pump when the ignition is turned on - no obvious disconnected wires either around the ignition
.
So it is one step forward - the starter motor works great. One step back - looks like I am tracing the black wire for the fuel pump circuit.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Tins]

Hello John,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I did a loose wire reconnoitre and could find nothing else hanging around.

It even worked - I found out when I was turning the ignition switch to get my electric fuel pump working so I could flush the newly installed fuel lines before connecting them up.

When I could not hear any clickety click sounds coming from the electric pump that should start as soon as the ignition was turned on, I turned the key just that little more. Next thing the start motor engaged very robustly.

The last time I tried this, when the old starter motor was installed, it gave a gasp and a very slow wh...iii ...ii ...rrrr ... rrr ... rr .....r - - - - - - flat-line. However, back when the old starter motor became deceased I could still hear that the fuel pump was clicking as I let get of the key and it returned to the ignition "on" position.

Now there is no sound of the the fuel pump when the ignition is turned on - no obvious disconnected wires either around the ignition
.
So it is one step forward - the starter motor works great. One step back - looks like I am tracing the black wire for the fuel pump circuit.

Kind Regards
Lionel

What car is this, Lionel? Being a Holden engine I was assuming a Series. Is that correct? If so, then whoever did the conversion, or anyone since, could have wired the fuel pump in almost anywhere. This is always likely to be difficult to diagnose. You have the choice of tracing the wire back from the pump to wherever it leads, or simply finding the right place to take the feed from and running a new wire.

[Dark61]

Sorry Lionel , only just seen this. I have the starter motor off at the mo as well.
Have you plumbed in the wiring for the fuel pump yourself or did you just replace the pump. Dont have an electric job on the Holden but on the s3 I think the feed comes off the coil? Happy to go have a fossick if required. Oh - and sometimes i hear it and sometimes i dont, but its always working.
cheers,
d

[Lionelgee]

Sorry Lionel , only just seen this. I have the starter motor off at the mo as well.
Have you plumbed in the wiring for the fuel pump yourself or did you just replace the pump. Dont have an electric job on the Holden but on the s3 I think the feed comes off the coil? Happy to go have a fossick if required. Oh - and sometimes i hear it and sometimes i dont, but its always working.
cheers,
d

Hello D,

Yes I got the new starter motor fitted last weekend and it turns over brilliantly.

Thank you for the reminder of the Series III feeding the fuel pump off the coil. I relocated and upgraded the wires and terminals of how I had previously wired the fuel pump. I took the wire off the ignition switch's terminal where I had previously located it. I then hooked the new 6 mm wire off the coil and ran the wire back to the fuel pump. I also made two 6 mm "earth" wires that are held in place by mounting bolts and clamped by a washer and the nut on each side.

I also followed BeeUtey's advice and sealed the earth point with silicone.

Everything works fine now. Both the new starter motor and the electric fuel pump.

The next job on the list is to get the right diameter pipe fittings to go into the fuel pressure regulator.

Then all I have to do is to find where the hell I stored the pressure gauge. It is in one of those "safe" places. With the cost of a buying a new gauge probably outstripping the amount of time I have already spent trying to find it would have been more economical to just go out and buy another gauge. What is the bet that as soon as I do I will remember where the "safe" place was for the first pressure gauge.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Dark61]

All good.

I would be interested to hear about the pressure gauge and where / when you fit it - this feeds into the carby doesn't it? Looking forward to hearing from you that its fired up first time etc/ I love 'em when they come back to life.

I almost had to have myself committed recently as I could not find my multimeter. I spent days looking for it and it almost drove me insane. I could be found muttering to myself in various places on the property. Eventually I found it in the loft - don't ask.

I have cleaned up the starter motor on Darwin and replaced the wire to the solenoid. Put a kit through the carby, I need to put the manifolds back on and then replace the fuel line and vacuum advance line - and then its all systems go hopefully. Sadly its turned rather inclement down here and my arthritic claws give me grief , so no action as yet.
cheers,
D

[Lionelgee]

All good.

I would be interested to hear about the pressure gauge and where / when you fit it - this feeds into the carby doesn't it? Looking forward to hearing from you that its fired up first time etc/ I love 'em when they come back to life.

I almost had to have myself committed recently as I could not find my multimeter. I spent days looking for it and it almost drove me insane. I could be found muttering to myself in various places on the property. Eventually I found it in the loft - don't ask.

I have cleaned up the starter motor on Darwin and replaced the wire to the solenoid. Put a kit through the carby, I need to put the manifolds back on and then replace the fuel line and vacuum advance line - and then its all systems go hopefully. Sadly its turned rather inclement down here and my arthritic claws give me grief , so no action as yet.
cheers,
D

Hello Dark,

Cold weather and arthritis - not a good combination at all! Here in the "Sunshine" state ... I grew up in Goulburn - New South Wales and I got sick of being cold .... so I did a "Clancy".

My Japanese tractor jumped this coming weekend's place in the queue and Rebus will have to wait instead. My tractor was not meant to be a lawn monument so fingers crossed it was only the starter solenoid and the recently arrived one will solve the issue. Then I can finally finish the other side of the creek and get the long grass tamed again. Trouble is the grass this side of the creek needs a trim now too.


The position of the fuel regulator was recommended by Gromit in an earlier post on one of Colin's threads. I will have squiz and try and locate the link to it.

I did a slight variation and I have the pressure regulator mounted to the bracket that acts as a cover for the clutch master cylinder base. It is the same bracket that the old remote reservoir for brake master cylinder is held on to.

Best of luck with your series of tasks on your Series, Dark

Well it was a big day at work today so I might shut up shop for now.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[Lionelgee]

Hello Dark,

I just did a quick "Advanced Search" and it came back with no response to my keywords or Gromit's "exact user-name" from the time before the big system crash. Looks like that photograph is lost in the ether - unless Colin can find it and post it up? Hello Colin :0)
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Kind Regards
Lionel