what needs to happen to stop this ?

[discorevy]

Evidence shows dogs in Bali are being brutally killed and the meat sold to unsuspecting tourists - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-19/evidence-shows-dogs-in-bali-brutally-killed-meat-sold-tourists/8620128)

I know what I'd like to do ,but its probably not the answer, be warned if you love dogs ( like me) this is very upsetting.

[Bearman]

Evidence shows dogs in Bali are being brutally killed and the meat sold to unsuspecting tourists - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-19/evidence-shows-dogs-in-bali-brutally-killed-meat-sold-tourists/8620128)

I know what I'd like to do ,but its probably not the answer, be warned if you love dogs ( like me) this is very upsetting.

Very sad to see but unfortunately it's in another country so there is not much we can do other than not supporting them by holidaying there and if you do then don't eat any meat.

[discorevy]

Very sad to see but unfortunately it's in another country so there is not much we can do other than not supporting them by holidaying there and if you do then don't eat any meat.

Have to agree , boycott of Bali probably is all we and other countries can do , it would soon have an effect, I've never been and for sure will never go while the torture is happening.... Sadistic b&$%##*s

[AdamHunter]

every time that country ****s up (live export trade & treatment of cattle, firing squads, corrupt govt/police, west Papua, ethanol in the spirits and now this ) , we quickly forget and go there in droves to drink cheap booze and behave like *****.
About 7 years ago, my then employer was planning a sales conference and Bali was thrown up as an option. My reply to my sales manager and the regional director was straight up, "if Bali happens, You have my resignation". They didn't go to Bali but I quit a few weeks later. Organisation was full of "Bali bucks/boys trip" types rolling around in X5s.

[Wraithe]

For a starter the animal rights groups are supplying the information... Thats a bit like the drunk whinging the beer is flat when he has run out of money..

As for dog meat, we ate it for centuries, especially when food was scarce... I've tried dog, tastes ok, not as good as goanna, snake or even cat...

Jumping up and down about places like Bali isn't going to make much difference, but the Balinese people will cop the loss's from this..

Back to the claims, these groups want humans gone from this planet so the vege munchers can have it all to themselves.. They want the cat and fox protected in Australia, but they claim these vermin are not cruel and that videos showing a cat killing for fun are fake...

I think people need to scrutinize these reports a lot more, the people behind these reports want reactions from people to make them feel good... Be very careful, I have had family abused by these types and then they disappear when they are caught out with there lies... We even had RSPCA get involved, then they had to sack a couple of employees over the issue...

[cripesamighty]

If vegetarians don't want animal cruelty, why are they eating their food!

In all seriousness though, I have worked with a few Social Justice Warrior types, and their downfall is facts. Throw some verifiable facts at them, or try and get them to back up their claims, and they soon go scurrying back into the shadows. There were two in particular that I used to bait all the time. Lets just say that logic was not their strong point.....

[Andy130]

I have a lot of relatives who live in Bali. The dog meat problem is a genuine one.

Speak to any expat living over there and they will tell you how many dogs go missing from compounds. have a look on street posts in expat areas and you'll see all the missing dog posters.

the issue is not so much about eating dog per se - so long as you know what youre eating - the bigger issue is about the theft of dogs, the cruelty of how they are dispatched, the hygene issues and of course the fact that people don't know they are eating it.

As for stopping it - it will stop when bali runs out of dogs....unfortunately.

My advice - if you go to bali - stick to the fish.

[Spartacus]

For a starter the animal rights groups are supplying the information... Thats a bit like the drunk whinging the beer is flat when he has run out of money..

As for dog meat, we ate it for centuries, especially when food was scarce... I've tried dog, tastes ok, not as good as goanna, snake or even cat...

Jumping up and down about places like Bali isn't going to make much difference, but the Balinese people will cop the loss's from this..

Back to the claims, these groups want humans gone from this planet so the vege munchers can have it all to themselves.. They want the cat and fox protected in Australia, but they claim these vermin are not cruel and that videos showing a cat killing for fun are fake...

I think people need to scrutinize these reports a lot more, the people behind these reports want reactions from people to make them feel good... Be very careful, I have had family abused by these types and then they disappear when they are caught out with there lies... We even had RSPCA get involved, then they had to sack a couple of employees over the issue...

So I guess the video was stunt dogs and paid actors???

[bob10]

Some facts about dog eating in Asia. It tastes better than cat, BTW.

20 Facts About Dogs & Dog-Eating in China | What's on Weibo (http://www.whatsonweibo.com/20-facts-about-dogs-dog-eating-in-china/)

[Tins]

When you have cultures that will kill a tiger for it's penis, a rhinoceros for it's horn, or an elephant for it's teeth, it's a little hard to get worked up over a culture that has eaten dogs for centuries. To these people a dog is just another animal. Horse is on the menu in France, amongst other places. Dolphin in Japan. Pretty much anything and everything in China.

Anyone with any sensibility that has worked in an abattoir here in Oz will know that pretty much all bulk animal slaughter is cruel.

As for a boycott, this is Indonesia we're talking about, so good luck. I will never voluntarily set foot in any part of Indonesia.

Bali was a beautiful place, 50 years ago, but as The Eagles sang, "You call some place Paradise, kiss it goodbye".

[bob10]

Excuse me, I am being rude. The question was, what can we do about this? The answer is we are no longer in England, or part of her. We are part of Asia. Like it or not. This is the Asian century, and we have to find our place in it. Don't like what they do? Don't go there. And I can tell you the Asians would not give a toss if Australians stayed away. Drunken, boorish oafs have no place as tourists in the new developing Asia. Asian boorish oafs however are tolerated. As the Asian economies get stronger, don't be surprised if Bali is off limits to the main type of holiday maker from Aus. and I would agree. The ugly American is being replaced by the ugly Australian. Oh, BTW, don't buy Monkey on a stick in Singapore, if you don't want to eat dog. Excuse me , the answer? Nothing.

[Tins]

Excuse me, I am being rude. The question was, what can we do about this? The answer is we are no longer in England, or part of her. We are part of Asia. Like it or not. This is the Asian century, and we have to find our place in it. Don't like what they do? Don't go there. And I can tell you the Asians would not give a toss if Australians stayed away. Drunken, boorish oafs have no place as tourists in the new developing Asia. Asian boorish oafs however are tolerated. As the Asian economies get stronger, don't be surprised if Bali is off limits to the main type of holiday maker from Aus. and I would agree. The ugly American is being replaced by the ugly Australian. Oh, BTW, don't buy Monkey on a stick in Singapore, if you don't want to eat dog. Excuse me , the answer? Nothing.

Not rude, Bob. Forthright and honest. I agree, our 'western sensibilities' are fast becoming a thing of the past. Am I sorry to se this? Yes. Does that matter? No.

For the record, I like dogs, as pets and friends, not as entree. But I am part of a very small minority on a global scale.

[bob10]

Not rude, Bob. Forthright and honest. I agree, our 'western sensibilities' are fast becoming a thing of the past. Am I sorry to se this? Yes. Does that matter? No.

For the record, I like dogs, as pets and friends, not as entree. But I am part of a very small minority on a global scale.

Yeah mate a dog is a mate. You look after your mates. We don't have to lose our values, we just to make sure we stick , and take no backward step if it comes to our culture. First we have to sort out what our culture is. Is it the 40,000 years of human occupation, or the European culture since 1778? Or a mixture of both? I believe it is a mixture of both. If we don't sort this **** out soon, we may be very sorry.

[Tins]

Yeah mate a dog is a mate. You look after your mates. We don't have to lose our values, we just to make sure we stick , and take no backward step if it comes to our culture. First we have to sort out what our culture is. Is it the 40,000 years of human occupation, or the European culture since 1778? Or a mixture of both? I believe it is a mixture of both. If we don't sort this **** out soon, we may be very sorry.

There is a fair case to be mounted that we should be sorry NOW. I'm starting to believe that we no longer HAVE a culture. When something like this is the news of the day, I reckon we're gone:

Nocookies | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/australia-day-date-local-councils-push-change/news-story/5791451cf21a7eeffec851ce7ba8932f)

[bob10]

There is a fair case to be mounted that we should be sorry NOW. I'm starting to believe that we no longer HAVE a culture. When something like this is the news of the day, I reckon we're gone:

Nocookies | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/australia-day-date-local-councils-push-change/news-story/5791451cf21a7eeffec851ce7ba8932f)

Do not despair. Our culture is strong. I believe the angst within mainstream Australia is because they have never been challenged so strongly before, and feel vulnerable. My culture has 40,000 years behind me, plus my European mob. Until we here are prepared to face our internal problems , as our NZ brothers have , we will be just a bunch of *******.

[Wraithe]

Bob10, I have different tastes to other and they have different tastes to me... I dont like pork, but I like bacon...

Johntins, horse is still eaten in Australia, meat pies in some states contain horse meat from Peterborough abb's... I have eaten horse steak, bred by my family and my mother loved her nags, but also enjoyed eating the odd horse steak too...

The English and europeans ate horse for years and still do as a staple in some parts...

We eat Kangaroos, Emu's, Camels and crocodiles, so why are we whinging about the Asians? Most foreigners I meet, can't understand how we can eat our National Emblems...(and a lot of these guys are hunters(makes you feel mushy when a hunter acts like an AA))..

[trout1105]

People have been eating dogs and cats for ages in different parts of the world, even our own desert aboriginals hunt and eat cats.
I don't think the problem here is what is eaten it is more of how the animal is dispatched that is concerning people.
In many parts of Asia dog is considered to be good tucker and is widely accepted fare.
I think that many would be surprised to find out how their meat pack from the supermarket that they buy was produced and how that particular animal died.
There is Nothing pleasant about death But in reality for every hamburger, Chicken nugget or steak you eat an animal has had to be killed to produce it.

[Wraithe]

People do have strange expectations about food production... Like the woman telling me that woolworths makes there meat out the back of the shop...

Or someone telling how the abb's kill is more humane than the way we do in the paddock...

Another is how clean the abbs and supermarket is but the paddock is full of disease(that one got as it was just after research done about sunlight sterilising to a better standard than the abbs can achieve)..

Also how stock paddock killed dont taste properly because its stressed by the way we kill...

Sadly the only media attention paid about farming and the way the animals are handled and treated, are always about abuse, never about the rest of us, just the odd idiot... If people knew how hard it is for us to kill an animal we watched born, raised, helped when in trouble, fed during late autumn/early winter and then had to decide which one goes into the freezer, they may stop complaining...

[trout1105]

A paddock killed beast is far more humanely killed than the one that was killed for the steak bought from the supermarket.
The cow in the paddock is quietly munching on its feed without a care in the world and in an instant a bullet puts it down.
The cow killed at the meat works has been rounded up, yarded and drafted off then it is loaded onto a truck and transported to yet another yard at the sales yards it is then loaded onto yet another truck and taken to the meatworks yards.
On the day the animal is killed it is put into a race with all the other cows and to look into their eyes as they go into the meatworks you just "Know" they are scared ****less.
I have put many a beast, pig or sheep into the cool room and None of them had to suffer like the poor buggers that get shipped off to the meatworks.

[discorevy]

If people have to eat dog , that's up to them , I'm sure there is still pockets in the world where humans are eaten as well , so be it , but ffs show some empathy and respect by making it as quick and painless as possible .

[DiscoMick]

Yulin dog meat festival begins despite rumours of ban - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-40337327)
Still happening in China and other places, as it has for a very long time. Of course, it goes both ways: there are people who say we shouldn't eat kangaroo.

[incisor]

If people have to eat dog , that's up to them , I'm sure there is still pockets in the world where humans are eaten as well , so be it , but ffs show some empathy and respect by making it as quick and painless as possible .

amen!

[DiscoMick]

Like in abbatoirs?

[Tins]

Bob10, I have different tastes to other and they have different tastes to me... I dont like pork, but I like bacon...

Johntins, horse is still eaten in Australia, meat pies in some states contain horse meat from Peterborough abb's... I have eaten horse steak, bred by my family and my mother loved her nags, but also enjoyed eating the odd horse steak too...

The English and europeans ate horse for years and still do as a staple in some parts...

We eat Kangaroos, Emu's, Camels and crocodiles, so why are we whinging about the Asians? Most foreigners I meet, can't understand how we can eat our National Emblems...(and a lot of these guys are hunters(makes you feel mushy when a hunter acts like an AA))..

I actually agree with all that. I was merely pointing out that our sensibilities are, well, pointless. Having eaten a number of things in SE Asia, I have probably eaten dog. Having eaten pies here in Oz, I've probably eaten many things.

I once told my daughter, who absolutely refused to eat my very famous steak and kidney pie because of the offal, what she was eating in a big mac. Amazing. I probably made quite a dent in their profits. 100% Angus is an interesting concept, in my view. Particularly the 100% bit.

That said, I won't knowingly eat dog. Or cat. Simply because of the ingrained taboo, and these critters have been mates ( YES, cat. There are a number of breeds that don't hunt. I have a cat, and I also feed native lowries and King Parrots here on my deck. Cat ignores them ), and it's hard to eat your mates. Can't stand horses, so maybe I'll eat them.

Kangaroo? I won't eat it caught wild. Far too many worms, in my experience. But roo makes far more sense in this country than sheep or cattle.

[JDNSW]

This reminds me of when my younger son spent a semester as an exchange student in Korea. On his return, his mother asked if he had tried eating dog - his response? "No way I could afford to eat in that flash a restaurant!" (My wife would probably have been concerned if he had, as she used to breed German Shepherds, and we always had at least one dog.)

[Wraithe]

Johntins, Its getting hard to buy certain things from the butchers... Makes it like christmas when you do your own killing...

There are worms in roos everywhere and the human consumption ones are no different... The idea is to know what to look for and then you can rest at ease... Last time we went out, 2 clean and last one was riddled but we only wanted 2 to 3 so had the minimum anyway...

One thing I love is when people use seafood highlighter and call it crab meat.. No fish in it, made from tripe.. Mind you tastes great..

[Wraithe]

JDNSW, I ate takeaway from a local restaurant, when I was young... They got busted for selling dog meat in a certain dish...

When they reopened I returned and found out that the dish I liked was dog, and of course a year later it was again, but only for a couple of customers and all on the quiet...

The guy that owned the restaurant, told me exactly what he did and the way he done things... Pretty much the same way we look after our stock and how we make beef, lamb or goat, taste nice and when the best time to do a killer...

I know there are people here that have done there own kills, and they know when I say "you dont stress stock out before slaughter", it destroys the meat... Kindness and respect, if you cant do that then stick with coles...

[JDNSW]

As a follow up to this I am reminded of something an old friend told me. He had come to Australia as a teenager about sixty years ago, and was working on a place somewhere near Young. Part of his job was killing and butchering sheep for the house. One winter afternoon, cold and drizzling, almost sleet, he was sent to get a killer. Faced with all the killers sheltering in some scrub at the far side of a 1000acre paddock, he was contemplating saddling a horse to go and get one, when the pet lamb (no longer a lamb) butted him from behind...........

He says the family never associated the disappearance of the pet lamb with the exceptionally good mutton that week!

[bob10]

Some Chinese thoughts on the subject.

The Yulin Dog Meat Festival: 10 Views From Chinese Netizens | What's on Weibo (http://www.whatsonweibo.com/yulin-dog-meat-festival-10-views-chinese-netizens/)

[Tins]

Johntins, Its getting hard to buy certain things from the butchers... Makes it like christmas when you do your own killing...

I was never in a position to do that, not being a farm boy, but a mate I'd like to see again did the killing at Mitchell, Qld, around 35 years ago. The meat was great, but of course it needed hanging. This is one of the things wrong with meat these days. No hanging, especially no dry hanging. I have found two butchers worth the trip for me. But I'm hanged if I can find one that has suet, a vital ingredient in a good, old fashioned pastry.


There are worms in roos everywhere and the human consumption ones are no different... The idea is to know what to look for and then you can rest at ease... Last time we went out, 2 clean and last one was riddled but we only wanted 2 to 3 so had the minimum anyway...

Yeah. Used to get roos for the dogs. It was strange the disparity between the animals. I've never understood that.


One thing I love is when people use seafood highlighter and call it crab meat.. No fish in it, made from tripe.. Mind you tastes great..

Don't forget the red dye stuff. And people think cooked crabs are that colour! Can't agree about the taste, but that's me. If it looks artificial then I don't like it.

[Wraithe]

Very little meat bought at shops or supermarkets is any good... One of the problems is the trucks cart it in and within a few days its run up the line and on the chains...

Stock needs time to destress from cartage... And any handling that causes stress, causes tough meat... Tenderizing at the abb's etc still dont improve it much...

I have eaten meat only a few hours after slaughter and I enjoy the taste and flavour, hanging for 24 to 48 hours makes it easier to process...

I've had some funny days doing a killer as I drive out into the heard and sit and wait from the one I want...
One day a cow would not stop chewing on the bullbar and as such was blocking my shot of the heifer I wanted...
I could have read a book while waiting, but after about 40 minutes, she moved out of the way just enough, and after I fired, I still had to shove them out of the way to walk over to the heifer...
Once they smelt the blood, they moved off and shove the cow(whos yearling it was I shot) away and wouldn't let her back near me...
Its a regular thing for the cows to move another cow away from its youngster when I have shot them, they really are a very caring animal and protective of there own...

If you keep calm and dont stress your stock out, the food thats produced cant be beaten...

The roos can be different from paddock to paddock, and we have several types of roos here, they can be easy to distinguish.... one dark(like a gey with dark grey to black fur) and the other 2 greys, the greys have two varieties, one thick in the shoulder and average height, another very lean in the shoulder and can be a bit smaller than the others(can be mistaken for a doe), these particular ones are no good for eating... Even the Aboriginals avoid them...The smaller grey can be hard to kill too...