Series 2 Discovery V8 vs TD5

[DiscoDan]

As a newbie on the site I am sure that this has been bantered around in the past, I currently have a series one Disco and am looking to update to a series 2 Disco.

The main problem that I have is which engine to pick, V8 sounds better :twisted: but the TD5 uses less fuel.

Can anyone please tell of the pro's and con's of each motor?

With running costs, servicing & repairs, power upgrades and reliability being my main concerns, does the V8 win or is it beaten by the TD5

Thanks for help

DiscoDan https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Slunnie]

The TD5 and V8 have very similar performance in standard trim. The TD5 uses less fuel, so has greater range but also has turbo lag. Maintenance is every 10,000km, I wouldn't leave it for 20K. The TD5 in the Disco can be easily modified for up to about 160-170kw and 520Nm.

The V8 sounds cool, but then again so does the whistle of a turbo.

[Redback]

I have the TD5 for one reason only touring range, the TD5 wins this hands down, fuel economy is much better than the V8, if i was only using my Disco for weekends only i'd go the V8, i lurve the sound of the Rover V8 and with a good after market exhaust could sound even better.

Oh and you can pick up a V8 heaps cheaper than the TD5, up to $5000 cheaper.

Baz.

[feral]

Yes...I went through the same problem.
I had a D1 V8 and the fuel usage has the 'bring you to tears' effect. Why? Every week I have to put in $90 worth of fuel...and that when is was .90c per litre. All that fuel and cost was only getting me to and from work. It stopped us from going away on weekends or just day trips because you knew you would end up with a $200 bill. :cry:

So I changed to a Td5. What you will have to do is do the maths. It cost me $15000 to change over and that is alot of fuel savings to get back but its the best thing I have done. Not only do you get a better and more modern vehicle you miss the psychological effect of filling every 450 k's and costing you big $$$$.
Now I fill up about every 10 days and have no hesitation to do a day trip.

Absolutely love the Td5 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Cheers,
Lyndon.

[PhilipA]

There is a post on the general chat forum that says it takes 275,000Kms to recoup the $10,000 difference betweeen petrol and diesel D3s.

I think everyone has gone a bit overboard on this. It also happened in 1973 and 1979 in the oil crises. I was the distribution manager of Ford in 1979 and I still remember looking out of my office at 12,000 unsold XD Falcons.
Is it better to pay $100 per week for fuel, or to pay $100 EXTRA per week in car payments?
As you say its psychological. Its a phobia . I must adnmit that even I grimace when I put $150 in the tank, as its the immediacy of it. BUT when you think about it , its a crazy reaction.
If you want long range get a long range tank. A 140 litre tank cost $1100 installed.
AND from the postings on this forum and others, there is a major danger that your modern high tech diesel will stuff up and cost thousands to fix. A V8 is not perfect, but its improbable to spend over $7000 on a complete new engine while someone on this forum is looking at $17000 on aTD5.
Regards Philip A

[Pedro_The_Swift]

FWIW,, DiscoDan,
I suppose if you can afford a newer TD5 or 6 then you can (must?) also afford to repair it if it breaks.
As PhillipA says, a complete new V8 will only set you back a warped diesel head.


its really all swings and roundabouts.


Forget money--
What would you RATHER drive????

[feral]

Originally posted by PhilipA
Is it better to pay $100 per week for fuel, or to pay $100 EXTRA per week in car payments?
As you say its psychological. Its a phobia .
Regards Philip A

Yes, you are most likely half right. But the expansion of my position is where the car payment factor came into the equation.

It took about a year to pay off the extra payments.

If I kept the V8 I will be still paying money for petrol now, tommorrow, next month and next year, in five years, etc at DOUBLE the cost. Ok, I have blown the money early and all in one hit...but eventually I believe I will end out in front because I hope to keep the vehicle for some time. I think that is the key to the whole V8 v's Diesel equation...How long are you going to keep the car.

Cheers,
Lyndon.

[PhilipA]

I do not know Feral.
I will only observe that times of high petrol cost have happened before and then they have retreated. This time may be fundamentally different but who knows.
The Chairman of BP thinks the curent high price is temporary and will last a couple of years until more refinery capacity is built. There are some who think oil is running out and have published books about it."Peak Oil".
However , I do not think the world is really serious yet.
There is a massive oil shale deposit in Queensland that has not been exploited.
The Barrier Reef is a a very prospective zone that has never been explored.
More use of biofuels will reduce the demand for mineral based fuel.

What HAS changed is that the demand for diesel is far greater now compared to petrol mainly due to engines with acceptable performance being available in Europe, but also the increase in demand for trucking in India and China, and again a temporary hump caused by thousands (millions) of Chinese factories using diesel generators because of poor electricity supply.
At each price spike in the past, new technologies and simple reductions in waste have reduced demand to the extent that the price fell within a couple of years. It really all depends on the USA. If they get serious and their fleet gains only a couple of MPG, then the fuel price will drop.

I am an optomist.
However even if fuel stays expensive , I believe the price gap between petrol and diesel is more likely to increase than decrease which will reduce the price advantage further.

I think you are predicting a "status quo" in 5 years based on this point in time but I think that things will change greatly either for better or worse in the next five years .

Regards Philip A

[LoadedDisco]

I went for a 2004 V8 Discovery and have not looked back. I fitted a Long Range fuel tank (130Ltrs) and changed the main muffler for a free flow type. It has been a fantastic truck with the power you want if needed and fuel usage has been just a little more if not the same as my last car a Ford Falcon SR in line 6 cylinders. On the Freeway it will do approx 1,000Km a tank. Off road I have had no problem with the larger tank with ground clearance it has probably improved a little as how the tank fits. Longer time between servicing and lower service cost means you can use the money saved to escape on more weekends off road.

[Robbo]

Have a look at the Re-Sale value between the two and I think that says it all. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[dungarover]

Go the V8 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

No turbo lag, cheaper to buy and service and they sound a ****load better than a diesel.

Fot outback travelling, look a a diesel as you will get the 800 kms range out of them and more with a long range tank.

My 3.5 EFI Rangie gets about 18l/100kms (got 400kms out of the 76 ltr tank on a run with about 10 liters to spare) I assume that the 4.0 V8 Disco will beat that with a much more sophisicated engine mangement system.

But Diesel/Petrol is a personal choice and you either one or the other, that's it!!

Whatever you buy, enjoy it.

Trav

[PhilipA]

Re resale value.
Of course the resale value is terrible at present with petrol at the price it is.
But exactly the same happened in the last fuel crises.

Ford even discontinued the V8 in XF and EA because nobody was buying them. Holden discontinued the V8 in Commodore.
If petrol goes under a dollar it will be very different.
I have a friend with a diesel Pajero who could not get a reasonable price a couple of years ago.

But now is now and it may be an opportunity to get a V8 cheaper than at any other time.

At least we crusty old codgers remember times when house prices go down and petrol goes up , and know that nothing lasts forever.
Regards Philip A

[LoadedDisco]

I don’t think resale come in to it to much if you by a Land Rover your more than half way there. Just keep adding mods on and build the 4x4 to how you want it. The cost involved in changing a 4x4 modified is always hard to get back. Once build is completed you wont want to buy anything else, 8) .

But if you dont modify then anything that has been looked after properly will resale to the right price.

[DiscoDan]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ Thanks, it seems that the argument revolves around fuel usage, and at no time has anyone said to put the V8 on gas https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (Not sure why)

:roll: It was mentioned that the TD5 could be upgraded to 160-170kw, and I know that the V8 (4.6) starts at this figure. Does anyone know what the expected life span of a TD5 would be if it does receive a 60-70% power increase?

I love the sound of a V8 https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ , BUT the 5 cylinder also has a great sound and yes turbo whistle is grand.

My mate has a Rangie and on our last trip, I was getting 16 litres per 100kms :? and he was getting 19 l/100km. We were both towing trailers however mine had a larger frontal area. Off the high way where the wind resistance was not a factor my fuel dropped to 11 l/100km https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ whilst his stayed the same. (No longer tow that trailer) My engine 2.5 Tdi, his 3.9 V8.

As I intend to keep the car for a long time, (everything else has gone soft) do I use the money saved and put the V8 on gas, (yes will use more fuel but cheaper to run per km) and if it is on gas is there anyone who makes sill tanks for the series two? Or bite the bullet, wear the higher cost at the start and have lower running costs.
:roll:
I spoke to Rover Tech today and the servicing costs are on a par, https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

So now it comes down to reliability? 8O And how bad are the faults, if any, and can they be easily prevented?

Due to the fact that I have three kids and I am after the 3 point centre seatbelt on the rear seat. The series 2 is probably the only vehicle that I would consider as an upgrade from the series 1. As for the rest of the Jap vehicles, the only one with live axles front and rear (with the 3 point seatbelt) is the 100 series Landcruiser and I do believe that the one in my club has broken more front diffs than I have. In fact on the last QAFWDC Country meeting held at Blackbutt, 4 front diffs were broken by this brand (oh what a feeling) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ and why would you consider the rest?

Well I have been enjoying this and thanks for all the info, it seems that the best way to find out is to drive them and feel the differance by the seat of my pants

Thanks heaps https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Danny

[abaddonxi]

Originally posted by DiscoDan

Due to the fact that I have three kids and I am after the 3 point centre seatbelt on the rear seat.


Sounds to me like you should spend as many hundreds of dollars as it costs to put a racing harness in for kid number three and spend the money you save on trips away.

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Cheers
Simon

[DiscoDan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Sounds to me like you should spend as many hundreds of dollars as it costs to put a racing harness in for kid number three and spend the money you save on trips away[/b][/quote]

Checked that out with Vanquip, they don't fit that type of belt to a wagon as nil parcel tray, however now not so worried about finding a 7 seater

Danny

[abaddonxi]

Have a chat to your local automotive engineer.

http://www.sae-a.com.au/contact.htm

In NSW I would look on the RTA website, call one of the thirty or so listed automotive engineers who are approved for these type of mods, get them to sort it out.

I looked at the Queensland Transport site and that was a waste of time.

Next idea might be a company that modifies cars for the disabled. Just their kind of job.

I went through similar for baby seat anchor points in the 130 twin cab.




Oh, and go the TD5.

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Simon

[FenianEel]

Originally posted by abaddonxi
Oh, and go the TD5.

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Simon

Ditto. Went from Driving V8's all my (licenced) life to a 02 TD5 - love it.
Had a 96 V8 Disco, great car, nice sound, good power etc. terrible economy, woeful resale (like all LR).

I swear by the TD5, (not at it). For the distance you get out of a tank it's a no brainer. Fill her up before a trip and forget about it. It's not all about economy either. if you've got a LR, you need a piggy bank whether its an V8 or a TD5

The TD5 has oodles of power and will sit on high sppeds all day. I think the turbo lag thing is overstated as well. it's not tht bad. It is nice to have that big kick of power immediately, when you want it, but nothing you can't manage. I have 5 children, (3 littlies) and the rear seats and middle seat belts are magic - especially off road, and I use mine as a daily driver and hammer it on weekends.

The D2's are poles apart from the 1. You won't know yourself. But like someone said - "take both for a good drive and decide what you like, and what you want it for."

Good Luck... :wink: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Maggot4x4]

Ok, for my situation, we are looking for a V8, either a D2 or P38A. Here's why. The purchase cost is lower for the V8, as are the service costs. It will be my wifes car and will not do huge km, however, the km it does do will all be highway speeds so fuel economy will not be as bad as if it was around town stuff. We have a Rangie with a 4BD1 which we use for touring and trips to fraser and the like which gets better fuel economy than a TD5 and is already kitted out for touring.

Anyone disagree with my logic?

[incisor]

no, i cant fault it

sounds like an excellent idea...

[Slunnie]

Originally posted by Maggot4x4
Ok, for my situation, we are looking for a V8, either a D2 or P38A. Here's why. The purchase cost is lower for the V8, as are the service costs. It will be my wifes car and will not do huge km, however, the km it does do will all be highway speeds so fuel economy will not be as bad as if it was around town stuff. We have a Rangie with a 4BD1 which we use for touring and trips to fraser and the like which gets better fuel economy than a TD5 and is already kitted out for touring.

Anyone disagree with my logic?
I dont think there is much between the V8 and TD5 for servcing costs.

[Utemad]

Hi Danny,

As you know I went through all the diesel vs petrol stuff when I was researching the whole idea of Landrovering.

I haven't driven a TD5 as they are out of my price range but I did drive the Tdi300, 3.9 and 4.0 Discos. I decided that the Tdi300 was a dog and whenever I test drove one I couldn't wait to get out of it. Yet when I drove either of the V8s I just wanted to drive off into the sunset. I always came back with a big smile on my face.

So it will be V8 for me but whatever you decide just remember that I get first dibs on your goodies if you decide to remove them prior to sale. So long as I get a D1 of course https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[Slunnie]

The TD5 is poles apart from the Tdi300 and Tdi200.

[Utemad]

Originally posted by Slunnie
The TD5 is poles apart from the Tdi300 and Tdi200.

I know but since I can't afford one whether I want one or not I didn't want to tease myself. Although when I say "can't afford" I really mean "can't justify". I am a tight arse after all https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Although DiscoDan is used to the 300Tdi anyway as that is what he currently has.

[jessie_xa]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>whatever you decide just remember that I get first dibs on your goodies if you decide to remove them prior to sale[/b][/quote]

Humm theres a fight abrewen for the parts I C, U can have what you can see i'll have what you cann't

[Utemad]

Originally posted by jessie_xa
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>whatever you decide just remember that I get first dibs on your goodies if you decide to remove them prior to sale

Humm theres a fight abrewen for the parts I C, U can have what you can see i'll have what you cann't[/b][/quote]

No worries. But if you pull out the diff oil filler plugs and look in the holes........................... https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[cookiesa]

The purchase v resale argument has a bit of a flaw in that yes you pay more for the diesel but you should also be able to sell it for more when time's up.

Using the floated $5000 difference in purchasing cost, the diesel should cost you less than an extra $30 over the V8 per week in repayments.

Bet you save more than that in fuel a week! As already discussed the maintenance costs are similar.

BUT as said before, which one do you want. Your either a diesel man or a V8 man!!!!!!!!

LOL

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Slunnie
The TD5 is poles apart from the Tdi300 and Tdi200.

Poles is a bit extreme :roll: :wink: north and south 8)

It is still an infernal combustion engine :evil:

After ten years I can still go most places in a 300Tdi at more or less the same pace as anyone else and for less fuel. And it can be worked on without a workshop full of computers. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Ignoring drivetrain modifications :wink:

But I concede that it won't last forever :cry:

[Fish]

I upgraded from a 2dr 4.4 Rangie to the Disco II a year ago now and went through the whole TD5 or V8 thing.

When I was looking the price for a TD5 was about 35k for a base model and the prices for V8s was 27k - 33k. I ended up spending 30k on a 01 V8 ES with duel A/C and ACE and I freaking luvs it.

The thing that turned me off the TD5 was the replacement cost of the injectors. The pommy mags were saying at 150,000 you'll be looking at replacing them and at 2 grand a pop https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ . One injector would negate any fuel savings made over a couple of years.

I get 17l/100 around town (my wife can only manage 20) and down to 13l/100 on the highway. Not to bad, I can live with that. :wink:

V8s all the way, and when we go to 50/50 ethonol mix I can help out the sugar cane farmers by burning lots of it.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I don't know whether this helps any... Birdsville to Birdsville + 9 days in the dessert. Defender td5...160l. V8 Rangie... 350l+ 8O 8O 8O

[Slunnie]

I don't think the injectors go bad. There are 2 engines that I know of that have had them replaced, and that was due to a rollover and a mechanic putting the head down on a bench with the injector down.

Biodiesel. Here now and cheaper than dinodiesel.

[disco2_dan]

hi guys, have been reading this thread and agree in that its a personal thing in what u like either v8 or td5, personally i chose the v8, i got a disco2 2001 model with 128,000 on the clock about 3 months ago, since then ive worked out the average fuel consumption at 12.4l/100km and thats traveling up and down the blue mountains most days, ive found little to no difference between highway and city driving and i make most gear changes at 3000rpm and i dont prissy foot it, i couldnt be more wraped in my beast but either way diesel or petrol you will be more then happy with what ever you choose :)

[roverv8]

As most on this thread,
I too have just gone through the V8 petrol vs diesel
I have gone from a string of RRC's & D1 V8s, even a 4.6 in the last RRC
to a TD5,
If you have a caravan or tow anything heavy on a semi regular basis,
I'd being going a td5 by a long shot.
The torque from the TD5 towing our van is more than compairable with the 4.6 v8 but so much more economical.
Admittadly i had no 3rd gear lockup with the RRC/4.6
Like most have said, drive the 2 & see what you like
Ive seen plenty of D2 TD5's around going at good prices to.
Careful what you spend, remember these are now getting 9 to 12 yrs old, so be prepared to spend & few bux on your purchase price v8 or TD5:o

[roverv8]

Just realized this thread was started by DISCO DAN in Jan 2006,
& was bumped by DISCO2 _DAN nearly 7 yrs later (NOV 30/2012)
LOL!!:D

[trackless]

Well I guess we all just read it again.
However my D2 5 cyc oil burner gets 9 ish lts per 100 klms at 280 000 total or there abouts.
Have had a few problems but still love the machine!
We get 900 plus klms per tank and are happy with that but not the 130/140 $ to fill it!
Service costs are high but I do each second one myself and save.
After a HJ 60 I reckon mine goes like **** off a shovel
I should not beg a failure but at 280 000 I expect a lot more without any rebuild ****.
It still starts on 3/4 turn overs , uses no oil @10000 changes and rattles as a real engine should!
I have several Buick St 8s , a V12 Jag and an International 434 to love as well.
Believe me it's all in the mind.



Trackless

[ozscott]

I have discovered my motoring utopia... My d2 v8 manual running a BRC Plug and Drive sequential LPG system. The fun and smooth v8 with the lowest running costs. Plus gas gives you even more low down torque and no power loss.

Cheers

[ramblingboy42]

"turbo whistle is grand".....what turbo whistle? I have a td5 with completely free flowing exhaust ....it has a 75mm free flow sports muffler.....absolutely no restriction....and no turbo whistle.....

[Benny_IIA]

"turbo whistle is grand".....what turbo whistle? I have a td5 with completely free flowing exhaust ....it has a 75mm free flow sports muffler.....absolutely no restriction....and no turbo whistle.....
?

I think you might want to check some one has no stolen your turbo..:angel:

Before I fitted a vnt my td5 had massive whistle with a 3" system.

[PhilipA]

It was fun to look back to 2006! LOL
See I told Yas!
Petrol at my local Shell is 122.4 (admittedly with the 8cent discount), but what happened to "Peak Oil"?
The yanks have found massive new fields the equal of Saudi in Dakota, and coal gas has made gas cheaper than ever.
AND Holden sells lots of V8s and Chrysler has bought out another SRT,and Mercs , Lambos etc are more powerful and faster than ever!

[party politics removed]
Regards Philip A

[Freightdog]

If the V8 had the economy of the TD5, I dare say the TD5 would never have been built! Economy is the only reason we have the TD5. Me, I like the V8, I just fork out the bucks for the fuel. LPG - maybe one day.

[Marmoset]

If the V8 had the economy of the TD5, I dare say the TD5 would never have been built! Economy is the only reason we have the TD5. Me, I like the V8, I just fork out the bucks for the fuel. LPG - maybe one day.

I dunno, whilst I like the sound of a V8 I prefer the torque that a TD5 gives you at 80Kmh, regardless of the economy :D