Longest confirmed kill @ 3.450km

[Andy130]

Quite the shot...


Iraq: Canadian JTF2 sniper breaks longest confirmed kill record (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/snipers-recordbreaking-longest-kill/news-story/ba92eb07da45f8215accae4dea6ba36b)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

wow, ten second flight time,,,
any (retired--) snipers out there want to explain how this was done?

[discorevy]

If they told you they'd probably have to kill you[tonguewink], It was 3450 metres , but the kilometres thing definitely got my interest, pretty incredible, wonder if there is coriolis calculations required

[Eevo]

wow, ten second flight time,,,
any (retired--) snipers out there want to explain how this was done?

carefully.

[Eevo]

wonder if there is coriolis calculations required

anything over about 1200, needs to have it taken into consideration from memory.

[trout1105]

3,450m = Lucky Shot [bigwhistle]

[PAT303]

Your not far off honestly,from that distance a breath of wind would cause a miss. Pat

[Tins]

Your not far off honestly,from that distance a breath of wind would cause a miss. Pat

A speck of sand could probably do the same.

[trout1105]

The shooter would have done all his calculations and took his best shot But I imagine that he would have been shocked to have actually hit the target.
I hit a fox once at about 800m with my .243, I think that I got as much of a surprise as the fox did when I actually hit it.

[cripesamighty]

Like a few other long distance sniper records, it wouldn't surprise me if multiple rounds were fired before a kill was achieved. That distance for a kill is truly staggering though.

[123rover50]

Quite the shot...


Iraq: Canadian JTF2 sniper breaks longest confirmed kill record (http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/snipers-recordbreaking-longest-kill/news-story/ba92eb07da45f8215accae4dea6ba36b)

Cant get it. Comes up page not found.

Keith

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I was just interested in the physics behind it,,,

[crash]

Don't ****off a Canadian!

[d@rk51d3]

"Whoops!.......... I was actually aiming for the roadsign." [bigwhistle]

[trout1105]

Speachless as to why this is newsworthy TBH....

Because it is a significantly longer shot than any previous by about a kilometre and notably more newsworthy than some bimbo drug courier returning from prison in Bali [bigwhistle]

[Andy130]

Speachless as to why this is newsworthy TBH....

Because, to hit that target , the shooter has been able to shoot within 1MOA ( 1 minute of angle) over an incredible distance.

to explain MOA......MOA = 1 inch @ 100 yards and at 3828 yards = 40.28 inches. Thats coincidentally, about the size of an average torso.

Most people can not hit a 1 inch target at 100 yards, let alone hit a 40 inch target at 3828 yards.

Basically, the further the distance, the more variables are introduced - such as weather ( wind, temperature etc) height above sea level, and even at that distance, the curvature of the earth.

1MOA at 3828 yards is quite a shot, which is why its newsworthy. Anyone who has done target shooting would probably find this newsworthy - which is why i posted it.

Whilst I really do appreciate that you might think it crass to report on this with no mention of the fact someone lost their life, I also think that given that the type of person he despatched gets news play for beheadings, destroying sacred monuments and the like...puts this into the newsworthy category...of course mate, you are free to disagree and I respect that.

EDIT: additionally of course, the shooter had to account for bullet drop. If I assume that the rifle was zeroed to 700 yards ( means the bullet will strike the cross hairs of the scope at 700 yards) then the sniper has to account for something like a further 215 MOA in scope adjustment to hit the target at 3800 yards. The mind boggles at this point...start taking into consideration wind direction, elevation ( he was shooting from a high rise) etc etc...incredible shot.

By way of comparison, it took this team of guys 20 years of working together to pull off the same type of shot as that sniper - however they did it under ideal range conditions :

4210 Yard Shot by HCR Team - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b658zDEXZUk)

[NavyDiver]

Quite the shot... I think you just made the understatement of the century.[biggrin] 99% of people would have a difficult time at 300m, almost improbable at 1000m and jump to 99.9% of almost impossible at 2000m or beyond.

That said a 303 with "volley sites" and massed fire was possibly a little dangerous in WW1 out to a possible 3200m

Unmarked, 1800-3500 yd. range, used on Lee-Metford Mk. I
Unmarked, 1600-2900 yd. range, used on Lee-Metford Mk. I*
Marked “II”, 1600-2800 yd. range, used on Lee-Metford Mk. II & II*, (Long) Lee-Enfield Mk. I & I*, and Charger Loaders sighted for Mk. II & Mk. VI ball

[Redback]

Seeing someone die(assuming that's what the video shows) is not my cup of tea regardless of how wonderful the shot is.

[trout1105]

I'm with you Justin, seeing someone die(assuming that's what the video shows) is not my cup of tea regardless of how wonderful the shot is.

There was No video of the actual kill But seeing one of those ISIS Animals getting his/her due deserts would not bother me in the least.
At least there is now one less of these Vermin stealing air [thumbsupbig]

[Tank]

The shooter would have done all his calculations and took his best shot But I imagine that he would have been shocked to have actually hit the target.
I hit a fox once at about 800m with my .243, I think that I got as much of a surprise as the fox did when I actually hit it.

Unluckiest fox ever born, how would you even see a fox at 800m, Regards Frank.

[trout1105]

6-24x50 scope

[Gordie]

Good shot! Must be annoying as a victim of that shot...wandering along...doing your thing...only to be taken out by someone 3.5km away! [bigwhistle]

[Andy130]

I'm with you Justin, seeing someone die(assuming that's what the video shows) is not my cup of tea regardless of how wonderful the shot is.


Ahhhhhh no, its not at all what the video shows...I posted a video of guys shooting at a range over 4200 yards and the fact they state it took them 20 years to get that accurate, on a controlled range environment.

As for the ISIS combatant shot by the sniper, no loss to humanity there folks.

[trout1105]

...still not getting it are you??? The glorification of this kind of activity sickens me and I'd imagine plenty of others too.

I doubt that many would have any compassion for an ISIS fighter that has been taken out of the fight.

[Gordie]

...still not getting it are you??? The glorification of this kind of activity sickens me and I'd imagine plenty of others too. Target shooting prowess is a TOTALLY different situation and is something i AM interested in and have friends compete in very successfully.
Sites like Liveleak and Funker530 are for that kind of 'chat'.

��I know where you are coming from Justin....saw a westerner beheaded with a blunt knife on the internet a decade or so back, and I felt sick for days. But, I don't think this post is about the death, it is about a well carried out military mission, without any gratuitous reference to death. I watch and enjoy doco's about the world wars etc, watched one lastnight, re the battle of Jutland....thousands died, but it happened, it is a fact. If a sniper on our side, in a war, can take out the enemy with no loss to our forces, I say well done. I do not rejoice in war or death. But I do like to read facts.

[Toxic_Avenger]

Putting my hand up here.
I don't miss the bloke.

Not a bad shot though too... That shot is a good return on investment for the hundreds upon thousands of dollars of military training the two chaps would have gone thru up to that point.
One shot sure beats an extended siege with the many lost military and civillian lives which would have surely been lost through other ways. We have gone past the 'excuse me, can you please stop' stage of this conflict.

[Andy130]

comment deleted....on the grounds that life is too short.[tonguewink]

[trout1105]

Ok you can stop trolling now... I'm starting to see that not everyone understands my comments so I'll leave it at that.

That's a pretty rude and insulting comment mate.

[Wraithe]

All very well he got the record, but .50BMG is more than the previous long range shots that had records... The .50bmg round is like using a sledge hammer for a 4 inch nail...

.338 Lap Mag was the previous long range shot... .375 Cheytac also reached the same as the .338 lap mag...

This video is of an aussie that puts dents in steel panels, use to use 300 wm, but this is .375 cheytac... Not a .50 bmg...

4km Extreme Long Range rifle shot (4384 yards) 375 Cheytac Improved - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NEO2BO7uqU)


the ranges of shots should be seperated by calibre, lumped into the same basket makes it look a little one sided...

[trout1105]

Wasn't it also a Canadian sniper team that took out some of the Taliban in another super long shot across a mountain valley in Afghanistan using the .50bmg a few years back? or was it a Brit team?

[justinc]

That's a pretty rude and insulting comment mate.

...and for that i apologise. Won't happen again.

[trout1105]

All is Good Mate, We are all adults here [thumbsupbig]

[carjunkieanon]

A Canadian sniper, eh?

I'll bet the last thing the man heard before he was shot was the sniper's apology that traveled faster than the bullet!

[Eevo]

A Canadian sniper, eh?

I'll bet the last thing the man heard before he was shot was the sniper's apology that traveled faster than the bullet!


[bigrolf]

[Toxic_Avenger]

What's this all aboot eh?
Don't feed the bears.

[Wraithe]

Wasn't it also a Canadian sniper team that took out some of the Taliban in another super long shot across a mountain valley in Afghanistan using the .50bmg a few years back? or was it a Brit team?

Yeh they have a couple of records...

Brit also got a few long shots and an aussie in the mix too..

The latest Cheytac375 shots are up there, but the .50bmg has better ballistics yet is only just getting the ranges, thus my idea of seperating calibre's...

[trout1105]

A Canadian sniper, eh?

I'll bet the last thing the man heard before he was shot was the sniper's apology that traveled faster than the bullet!

That is seriously Funny, Well done :lol:

[trout1105]

The latest Cheytac375 shots are up there, but the .50bmg has better ballistics yet is only just getting the ranges, thus my idea of seperating calibre's... https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/misc/progress.gif



From what I have read the .50bmg is now the favoured round for long distance sniping by all of the coalition forces.
The Cheytec375 is a great round but would it still have the kinetic energy required to be effective at these extreme ranges?
At 2 miles the .50bmg would probably still have enough energy to drop a Bull Elephant.
Regardless of the round used these long distance shots take an incredible amount of skill to pull off.

[Andy130]

At 2 miles the .50bmg would probably still have enough energy to drop a Bull Elephant.
Regardless of the round used these long distance shots take an incredible amount of skill to pull off.


I ran a (rough )ballistics chart on the 50 cal > it still had 1222 ft lbs of kinetic energy at 3800 yards and was travelling at 856 fps. However, the real mind bender....look at the drop ---> over a 3800 yards shot it drops 233 yards !!! ( assuming a 700 yard zero)

[123rover50]

From what I have read the .50bmg is now the favoured round for long distance sniping by all of the coalition forces.
The Cheytec375 is a great round but would it still have the kinetic energy required to be effective at these extreme ranges?
At 2 miles the .50bmg would probably still have enough energy to drop a Bull Elephant.
Regardless of the round used these long distance shots take an incredible amount of skill to pull off.

Regardless, its still a fluke shot.
With 10 seconds air time, do you think the target is going to remain dead still for the whole of that time?
Count 10 seconds and see.
The shot was probably a near miss and the target moved into it.
At that range the crosshairs on the scope would completely cover the target as well.
Anyway, still good shooting. That first shot from a cold clean bore without any sighters is a hard one.

Keith

[trout1105]

These blokes do this all day every day so I imagine that their shots are calculated very quickly and a lot of "Instinct" would come into play.
Its like anything, If you do it often enough you get Bloody good at it.

[fitzy]

Please can we speak in real measurements.
They haven't made feet and miles since 1966.
That's 51 years to adapt to a much smarter and simpler system, we drive land rovers we must be at the forefront of human evolution .

[donh54]

I fired a .50 Barret once - you could actually see the projectile disappear into the distance. Had a really high trajectory even at 1k, would've been aiming like a mortar at 4k.

[Andy130]

Please can we speak in real measurements.
They haven't made feet and miles since 1966.
That's 51 years to adapt to a much smarter and simpler system, we drive land rovers we must be at the forefront of human evolution .


lol true, though its just 'easier' to talk inches, feet and yards in regards to MOA...though I suppose we could talk metric if we talked mils instead. [biggrin] maths was never my strongest game hehe

[Gordie]

I still prefer mpg, ft/llbs, and hp. Much prefer the linear mm, cm, and metres though. Being divisible by 10 or 100 is appealing. But being in that 'in between' age group...I love it that on the common measurements, I have a built in memorised conversion factor from childhood...eg 3.281 ft to a metre, 1.6km to a mile, 4.5L to a gallon etc.

[Wraithe]

I ran a (rough )ballistics chart on the 50 cal > it still had 1222 ft lbs of kinetic energy at 3800 yards and was travelling at 856 fps. However, the real mind bender....look at the drop ---> over a 3800 yards shot it drops 233 yards !!! ( assuming a 700 yard zero)

I wouldn't worry about using a 700 yard zero Andy, better using 100 yd for charts, makes it easier to work out for setting up balistics computer...


Just as much energy as a lot of calibres have at the muzzle... the 300 wm drops around 134 inches at 750 yards with 150 grain projectile(muzzle velocity 3100fps) and drops 148 inches at 750 yards with a 178 gr projectile(muzzle velocity 2900fps)...

The cheytac375 has better balistic characteristics simular to or better than 338 Lapmag...

The drop factor is not much to bother with, its the amount of retained energy thats required to maintain accuracy... the drop is taken into account for the target, but if the energy is down to about 100 ft-lbs then a puff of wind would send it off course easily...Same as a heavier projectile means retained energy, thus the .50bmg has a long range for accuracy...

The 50bmg can use a 650gr to 800gr projectile, max velocities of 3000 fps for 650gr to 2750 fps for 800gr with muzzle energy around 9900ft-lbs for a 650gr projectile and around 14400 ft-lbs for a 800gr projectile... Thus long range with that amount of energy can give a very stable projectile out in the distance and still do its job...

A .22 LR can go through a persons soft part of the body at 3 k's, so dont be fooled that these large calibres have no energy left at 3, 4, 5, or even 6 k's...

The .22LR shot I am refering to, happened in Leonora, many years ago... A bloke fired at a crow on a tank, 3 k's from town, bullet went through the stomach of his friends wife, in town... it was a piddly .22lr using a subsonic... so dont presume the bullet has no ability to go far...Luckily the shot hit nothing vitale and they stayed friends over the incident... nothing has a safe distance unless its stopped and laying still, then its safe...

[Andy130]

Fair point re the zero and charts wraithe - thanks mate. I was just using 700 as I doubt the sniper would have zeroed at 100 -perhaps more like 500 - but I was more interested to see drop in the calculator and randomly picked 700 :-)

Impressive numbers all around in regards to the rest of your post - I'd like to own a 300wm eventually -I've shot the .338 but not the .50.

And believe me, as a bow hunter, all of those calibres mentioned, including the .22 have more kinetic energy at 3km that I can get at 30 metres [biggrin]

[PAT303]

I wouldn't worry about using a 700 yard zero Andy, better using 100 yd for charts, makes it easier to work out for setting up balistics computer...


Just as much energy as a lot of calibres have at the muzzle... the 300 wm drops around 134 inches at 750 yards with 150 grain projectile(muzzle velocity 3100fps) and drops 148 inches at 750 yards with a 178 gr projectile(muzzle velocity 2900fps)...

The cheytac375 has better balistic characteristics simular to or better than 338 Lapmag...

The drop factor is not much to bother with, its the amount of retained energy thats required to maintain accuracy... the drop is taken into account for the target, but if the energy is down to about 100 ft-lbs then a puff of wind would send it off course easily...Same as a heavier projectile means retained energy, thus the .50bmg has a long range for accuracy...

The 50bmg can use a 650gr to 800gr projectile, max velocities of 3000 fps for 650gr to 2750 fps for 800gr with muzzle energy around 9900ft-lbs for a 650gr projectile and around 14400 ft-lbs for a 800gr projectile... Thus long range with that amount of energy can give a very stable projectile out in the distance and still do its job...

A .22 LR can go through a persons soft part of the body at 3 k's, so dont be fooled that these large calibres have no energy left at 3, 4, 5, or even 6 k's...

The .22LR shot I am refering to, happened in Leonora, many years ago... A bloke fired at a crow on a tank, 3 k's from town, bullet went through the stomach of his friends wife, in town... it was a piddly .22lr using a subsonic... so dont presume the bullet has no ability to go far...Luckily the shot hit nothing vitale and they stayed friends over the incident... nothing has a safe distance unless its stopped and laying still, then its safe...

Really?,a bloke shot at a crow 3km's away and shot his mate's wife[bigwhistle],yeh OK. Pat

[Wraithe]

Really?,a bloke shot at a crow 3km's away and shot his mate's wife[bigwhistle],yeh OK. Pat

You may not believe it, but I was young when it happened, just bought my first rifle...He warned me that it can go further than you think...

When our friend reported to the police, with the possibilty it was his shot, they didn't believe him...

But right trajectory, and angle, from where he fired, it was his shot... I remember him saying, he was too scared to see his mates misses at the time until his friend came and ask that he go see her, of course all was forgiven, but everyone was astounded that a little .22 could travel so far... Technically speaking, it would have been as far as the bullet could travel, so dont believe these projectiles just fall out of the sky so close...

My son has put a round, 20 yards short of a 750yd target, inline with a 30/30... Another calibre everyone thinks is no good for more than 150 yards...

The idea of an effective range (or point blank range) is misleading, thats the range of shooting effectively for an accurate shot, not the ability of that projectile to not be able to travel further...

I use 4 inch point blank ranges, my 30/30 is good for 350 metres, the projectile travels 4 inch high to 4 inches low over that distance, thus an 8 inch diameter kill zone... makes it great for the blocks around home...

[BMKal]

Really?,a bloke shot at a crow 3km's away and shot his mate's wife[bigwhistle],yeh OK. Pat

Yep ................................. and then the bullet ricocheted and was found on the footpath outside Paddy's Bar in Kalgoorlie. [bigwhistle]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[Wraithe]

Fair point re the zero and charts wraithe - thanks mate. I was just using 700 as I doubt the sniper would have zeroed at 100 -perhaps more like 500 - but I was more interested to see drop in the calculator and randomly picked 700 :-)

Impressive numbers all around in regards to the rest of your post - I'd like to own a 300wm eventually -I've shot the .338 but not the .50.

And believe me, as a bow hunter, all of those calibres mentioned, including the .22 have more kinetic energy at 3km that I can get at 30 metres [biggrin]

Bow hunters are the best stalkers, I just wish I could make the arrows go straight... I can hit a tree with one, to my left or right without aiming...

In .50 cal I have only used the Browning 50, whilst in the army... Not my preferred calibre...

The 300wm has some balls but with my age and health it leaves a mark... Mind you, I still use it...

The .338 LM was a calibre I looked at before the 300wm, but the projectile size was overkill for what I wanted and maybe the 300 a little over the top too but at least I can use smaller projectiles...

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...

Big rifles are fun for a shot or two but realistically it comes down to the use, the range, the cost and if you really do want it... me its the use, cost and do I really need it...

What I love is my little old .22 and my grandfathers .22 that mum gave me when she passed away....They are precious!

PS the rifles snipers use for long shots are probably sighted in at 700 plus, those long shots require a lot of rise in the reticle and thus I would expect the scope to raised on the forward mount... The idea of using a 100yd zero with balistics software, gives you a good idea of trajectory, for sighting or range ballistics, then yes, they would use a greater sight in range to match the clicks required on the scope...

[Wraithe]

Yep ................................. and then the bullet ricocheted and was found on the footpath outside Paddy's Bar in Kalgoorlie. [bigwhistle]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Its not a joke BMKal...

I cant get the friend who fired his rifle to back it up, he was killed in a ball mill accident about the time I left the Army... But I can say, he was not prone to bar room bu*&^%$t...

[Andy130]

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...



I found the remington .17 centrefire a spectacular round for foxes - simply a necked down .223 that can punch out 4000 fps with a match barrel and hand loads. I'll get one again one day....oh to have an unlimited budget haha.

[PAT303]

You may not believe it, but I was young when it happened, just bought my first rifle...He warned me that it can go further than you think...

When our friend reported to the police, with the possibilty it was his shot, they didn't believe him...

But right trajectory, and angle, from where he fired, it was his shot... I remember him saying, he was too scared to see his mates misses at the time until his friend came and ask that he go see her, of course all was forgiven, but everyone was astounded that a little .22 could travel so far... Technically speaking, it would have been as far as the bullet could travel, so dont believe these projectiles just fall out of the sky so close...

My son has put a round, 20 yards short of a 750yd target, inline with a 30/30... Another calibre everyone thinks is no good for more than 150 yards...

The idea of an effective range (or point blank range) is misleading, thats the range of shooting effectively for an accurate shot, not the ability of that projectile to not be able to travel further...

I use 4 inch point blank ranges, my 30/30 is good for 350 metres, the projectile travels 4 inch high to 4 inches low over that distance, thus an 8 inch diameter kill zone... makes it great for the blocks around home...

I just find it amazing that a bloke shot a rifle towards town and out of the 500 or so inhabitants the one he hit just happened to hit his mates wife,what a coincidence [bigwhistle].Just to let you know how amazing that shot is,I shot 200m fly yesterday with my .22 shooting S&B subsonics,the elevation to get to 200m from a 50m zero in my combo is 74'' or just over 6',he must have some powerfull subsonic's to shoot a further 2800mtr's to gut shoot his mates wife. Pat

[PAT303]

Bow hunters are the best stalkers, I just wish I could make the arrows go straight... I can hit a tree with one, to my left or right without aiming...

In .50 cal I have only used the Browning 50, whilst in the army... Not my preferred calibre...

The 300wm has some balls but with my age and health it leaves a mark... Mind you, I still use it...

The .338 LM was a calibre I looked at before the 300wm, but the projectile size was overkill for what I wanted and maybe the 300 a little over the top too but at least I can use smaller projectiles...

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...

Big rifles are fun for a shot or two but realistically it comes down to the use, the range, the cost and if you really do want it... me its the use, cost and do I really need it...

What I love is my little old .22 and my grandfathers .22 that mum gave me when she passed away....They are precious!

PS the rifles snipers use for long shots are probably sighted in at 700 plus, those long shots require a lot of rise in the reticle and thus I would expect the scope to raised on the forward mount... The idea of using a 100yd zero with balistics software, gives you a good idea of trajectory, for sighting or range ballistics, then yes, they would use a greater sight in range to match the clicks required on the scope...

To be honest the bigger guns are overrated IMHO.I Camel shoot yearly,I shoot Norma 160grn RN projectiles in my 6.5x55,174grn Woodleigh in my 303 and 220grn woodleigh in my 8x57,all three cleanly take 1000kg bulls with chest shots,my mates shoot 300 win mag,338 win mag,338 Lapua and 338/378 Weatherby,last year I got the most,the 303 in particular is fast,10 shots in a mob is a big advantage,the 8mm is slower but has a noticeable step up in performance,the 6.5x55 has nailed my biggest bull to date,a very under rated cartridge that one. Pat

[trout1105]

I have a .243 and it is a great little all rounder and inherently accurate.
Great for bowling foxes over and it will also bowl a beast over when needed and with bugger all recoil.
They are also very economical to reload as well [thumbsupbig]

[cripesamighty]

"I just find it amazing that a bloke shot a rifle towards town and out of the 500 or so inhabitants the one he hit just happened to hit his mates wife, what a coincidence"


Stranger things have happened. I remember reading about Robert Stanford Tuck (WWII RAF fighter pilot) in a book called "The role of luck in air warfare". The poor bugger had the misfortune to kill his brother-in-law by complete fluke. See wiki entry below.

"Tuck had an extraordinary piece of ill-fortune when he intercepted a German bomber heading towards Cardiff. He fired at extreme range in poor light, causing it to jettison its bombs in open countryside instead of on the city. The last of its stick of bombs caught one corner of an army training camp and killed one soldier. The soldier was the husband of Tuck's sister."


One tiny bomb fragment hit his brother in law in the back of the head and killed him while he was camping/sleeping in a field full of other soldiers. Incidentally, he was the only casualty. Life is bloody weird at the best of times! [biggrin]

[scarry]

Those long range shots are amazing.

I dropped a large Boar running flat out not long ago, with the .243 at 220yds and thought i was doing well.When i got to it,it was stone dead,a heart shot.

Apparently not[bigwhistle]

On the same trip,at night i head shot a wild cat at about 80m with the .222,only to find it had a rabbit in its mouth.The bullet went through the two of them and made a nice mess of them.

[Wraithe]

To be honest the bigger guns are overrated IMHO.I Camel shoot yearly,I shoot Norma 160grn RN projectiles in my 6.5x55,174grn Woodleigh in my 303 and 220grn woodleigh in my 8x57,all three cleanly take 1000kg bulls with chest shots,my mates shoot 300 win mag,338 win mag,338 Lapua and 338/378 Weatherby,last year I got the most,the 303 in particular is fast,10 shots in a mob is a big advantage,the 8mm is slower but has a noticeable step up in performance,the 6.5x55 has nailed my biggest bull to date,a very under rated cartridge that one. Pat

About 82' was working on a property, use to shoot donkeys and camels with a .243, either the boss or myself... Fed them to the pigs... I know I dont need much of a calibre to kill, but hey if you can get something odd, then do so... Going after fox's with a .22 has always been fun but now i am no longer a kid and can afford what I want, i'll use the rifles I buy... maybe over kill for some things, so use smaller... 30/30-300 is no good for rabbits, but then if I do another trip to NZ for deer, no point taking the .22 or .17...

[Wraithe]

I found the remington .17 centrefire a spectacular round for foxes - simply a necked down .223 that can punch out 4000 fps with a match barrel and hand loads. I'll get one again one day....oh to have an unlimited budget haha.

Read about Remington.17... Has some interesting ballistics...

A friend of mine was interested in buying one, but the big C has got in the way...

There are a lot of calibres being sold now that started as wildcats, incredible the amount of straying from the norm has resulted in some amazing hunting calibres... the history of the 22-250 is one that goes a very long way back to being a wildcat...

[BMKal]

Its not a joke BMKal...

I cant get the friend who fired his rifle to back it up, he was killed in a ball mill accident about the time I left the Army... But I can say, he was not prone to bar room bu*&^%$t...

And what ball mill accident would that be. I can only find reference to one fatality - in Queensland in 2011.

[123rover50]

Bow hunters are the best stalkers, I just wish I could make the arrows go straight... I can hit a tree with one, to my left or right without aiming...

In .50 cal I have only used the Browning 50, whilst in the army... Not my preferred calibre...

The 300wm has some balls but with my age and health it leaves a mark... Mind you, I still use it...

The .338 LM was a calibre I looked at before the 300wm, but the projectile size was overkill for what I wanted and maybe the 300 a little over the top too but at least I can use smaller projectiles...

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...

Big rifles are fun for a shot or two but realistically it comes down to the use, the range, the cost and if you really do want it... me its the use, cost and do I really need it...

What I love is my little old .22 and my grandfathers .22 that mum gave me when she passed away....They are precious!

PS the rifles snipers use for long shots are probably sighted in at 700 plus, those long shots require a lot of rise in the reticle and thus I would expect the scope to raised on the forward mount... The idea of using a 100yd zero with balistics software, gives you a good idea of trajectory, for sighting or range ballistics, then yes, they would use a greater sight in range to match the clicks required on the scope...


Having a raised forward mount on your scope is like having a high front sight. You will shoot low.
A tapered Picatinny rail is low at the front to give more elevation so your scope does not run out of adjustment.

[Wraithe]

Having a raised forward mount on your scope is like having a high front sight. You will shoot low.
A tapered Picatinny rail is low at the front to give more elevation so your scope does not run out of adjustment.

Thank you... I was thinking barrel, not mount, brain not keeping up, you are very correct...

[Dark61]

how about terrorist no.1 is having an argument with terrorist no. 2 who shoots him. When asked about it he says some sniper must have got him. Canadian geezer is just trying out his new bins at the time. Or - no such shot was made - its a ruse to get the baddies to keep there heads down?
cheers,
D

[donh54]

how about terrorist no.1 is having an argument with terrorist no. 2 who shoots him. When asked about it he says some sniper must have got him. Canadian geezer is just trying out his new bins at the time. Or - no such shot was made - its a ruse to get the baddies to keep there heads down?
cheers,
D
Don't want the baddies to keep their heads down - can't hit them that way [emoji12]

[Toxic_Avenger]

Here's a video with a breakdown of this shot (the math etc). As a layman, this helped me understand the magnitude of that shot.

Canadian Sniper 2.2 mile Confirmed Hit - SHOT ANALYSIS ~ Rex Reviews - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzwY6jIwr2o)