Mr Marsh, how to wind him up.

[V8Ian]

You're going to love this Mick.

Should Melbourne's speed limit drop to 30km/h? (https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/36155065/should-melbournes-speed-limit-drop-to-30km-h/#page1)

And they don't even pay rego!

[Chops]

See, I told you,,, it was the cyclists fault [bigrolf]

[67hardtop]

Like this???

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/06/72.jpg

Cheers Rod

[Tins]

Won't be just Mr Marsh that gets wound up, I can assure you.

[V8Ian]

But Mr Marsh is a serial offender. [wink11]

[Tins]

But Mr Marsh is a serial offender. [wink11]

I find it hard to stay within the forum rules on language and politics when this topic is raised, so I zips me lip.

[V8Ian]

I find it hard to stay within the forum rules on language and politics when this topic is raised, so I zips me lip.
Ol' Mick don't. [bigrolf]

[Tins]

Ol' Mick don't. [bigrolf]

He's a little further up the pecking order.

[Bytemrk]

He's a little further up the pecking order.

Same rules at all levels of this tree last time I looked... [biggrin]

[Bytemrk]

Might need one of these....

125044

[V8Ian]

I thought these were unwinders.

125045

[Mick_Marsh]

You're going to love this Mick.

Should Melbourne's speed limit drop to 30km/h? (https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/36155065/should-melbournes-speed-limit-drop-to-30km-h/#page1)

And they don't even pay rego!
Fluff.
City folk. Who cares?

It's best summed up in the last line of this news article.

Bicycle Network wants to slow speed limit to 30km/h around Melbourne


SPEEDS across the city would be slashed to 30km/h and cyclists would be allowed on footpaths under a plan to get more people onto bikes.

The go-slow streets identified, some where speeds would be halved, include St Kilda Rd, Royal Parade, Victoria St, Brunswick St and Footscray Rd.

But the plan has brewed up a road war and critics have slammed the proposal as “concerning”, saying elderly pedestrians and young children should not have to walk the gauntlet of bikes.

Peak cycling body Bicycle Network wants VicRoads to consider the radical measures

as a congestion-busting plan to solve MelbourneÂ’s growing pains.

Cyclists want the 30km/h limit to apply to all local roads, the CBD grid, and major approach routes to the city.

Bicycle Network chief executive Craig Richards said the difference in impact between a car hitting a cyclist at 60km/h and 30km/h increases the chance of survival from 10 per cent to 90 per cent.
Speeds across the city would be slashed to 30km/h and cyclists would be allowed on footpaths under a plan to get more people onto bikes.
“We believe 30km/h is the magical speed limit,” Mr Richards said.

“If cars and cyclists are travelling at the same speed bike riders feel much more comfortable.

“We want a liveable city where bikes and walking are prioritised and cars barrelling down at 60km/h do not encourage safe riding.”

Lord Mayor Robert Doyle said there was no need to drop the speed below 40km/h.

“Since we lowered the speed limit to 40km/h throughout the CBD grid, I’m pleased to say that we have not had a single road related death,” Cr Doyle said.

Dave Jones, RACV Roads and Traffic Manager, said it was against lower speed limits.

“The RACV believes Melbourne’s CBD should remain consistent with statewide speed restrictions — 40km/h zones are used across the state in areas with high pedestrian activity and where workers are on roads,” Mr Jones said.

Cyclists also want laws changed to allow people of all ages to ride bicycles on footpaths.

In Victoria only children up to 12 can ride on a footpath with a supervising adult.

Mr Richards said Victoria and NSW were the only states that did not allow footpath riding for all.
Since lowering the speed limit to 40km/h throughout the CBD grid there has not been a single road related death.

“It would encourage more people to ride in places where the road is too dangerous,” he said.

While some people might be worried about speeding cyclists on footpaths,” Mr Richards said serious riders would choose to ride on the road.

Victoria Walks chief executive Ben Rossiter said the shared footpath proposal was “very concerning”.

“It is paramount that people feel safe when walking on footpaths without having to worry about being hit by a cyclist,” Dr Rossiter said.

“The footpaths in the CBD don’t have enough room for all the walkers, let alone bikes as well.”

VicRoads said it had no plans to reduce the speed and did not support adult cyclists using footpaths.

Interestingly, I was near the city area on Saturday. Beach Road. There were cyclists in the left hand lane, I was in the centre lane. I passed many cyclists without a problem. I passed one who was gaining on two riding two abreast. I slowed due to traffic congestion. The lone cyclist passed between me and those riding two abreast thus riding three abreast which is breaking a road rule. He then stopped and decided to abuse me. I ignored him and continued on my way when the traffic light changed from red to green.
The lone cyclist then turned his attention to the car behind me hitting and gesticulating that car. He was rather animated. I was watching this in my rear view mirror as the car ran the cyclist into the gutter and then drove slowly at the left preventing the cyclist from passing on the inside. Whenever the cyclist swung out right to overtake (causing the motorists in the centre lane to brake heavily) the car would speed up and then slowed when the cyclist moved left again. I lost sight of them.

Which brings me to the newspaper article four days ago.

Cyclists need to obey road laws — and pay registration to get respect


OUR roads exist to allow cars, trucks, trams — and bikes — to move people and goods efficiently from A to B. Yet cyclists are easily the most hated road users. And with good reason. Due to a variety of poor behaviours, bike riders are often their own worst enemies. It’s time cyclists either shaped up or took their Lycra elsewhere.

On some days I either drive or catch public transport to work. Several times a week, however, I ride my bike instead. During those cycle commutes I witness first-hand plenty of ugly altercations between bikes and cars. And as a cyclist IÂ’m sorry to admit that in many cases my fellow pedal-pushers are in the wrong.

Motorists hate it when cyclists openly flout traffic rules. IÂ’ve lost count of the number of times when I see fellow bike riders approach a red light, furtively look around and then proceed through the intersection safe in the knowledge no camera will photograph them. That enrages commuters who, sitting in their cars, know if they followed suit, theyÂ’d lose valuable licence points as well as cop a hefty fine. From where do some bike riders develop the arrogance to ignore basic road laws?

Registration (or the lack of it) is another huge bone of contention between motorists and cyclists. Every car, truck, motorbike and Vespa-style scooter in Victoria is required both to pay an annual fee to VicRoads, and display a valid numberplate. That system allows the tracking of vehicle ownership, funds the Transport Accident Commission and facilitates the punishment of traffic rule breaches.

Yet for some reason cyclists are exempt from the registration process. Why?

Bikes use the same roads as motorised vehicles. Already the TAC covers most riders who are injured in traffic-related accidents. And as mentioned, rego enables those who ignore red lights to be caught and fined.

There is no good reason why registration of bikes couldnÂ’t function effectively as it does with cars. Cyclists could display a small identification plate on the rear of either their machines, or perhaps their helmets (which are compulsory to wear). All the tracking infrastructure currently employed by both VicRoads and the police to track errant motor vehicles would work equally well with bicycles. And motorists who maintain their rego would feel much more kindly disposed to cyclists if the latter were paying similar fees.

Footpaths are another conflict zone for bike riders — usually in conjunction with pedestrians. Although it’s illegal for cyclists over the age of 12 to ride where people are walking, plenty of two-wheeled warriors break the rule.

I UNDERSTAND that bike riders are often fearful of riding on the roads alongside cars and trucks; but that is no excuse for putting pedestrians at risk. Cyclists should stay off footpaths or suffer the consequences.

The behaviour of recreational bike enthusiasts on highways like Beach Rd also leaves a lot to be desired. Most of us are prevented from playing our chosen sport on public roads.

For example, IÂ’m not allowed to halt traffic because I want to have a kick of the footy on top of the West Gate Bridge. Backyard cricket games that migrate on to local roads always give way to oncoming vehicles. And even though I want to be a 250kmh V8 Supercar driver, plenty of laws rightly make that dream impossible on suburban streets.

Yet large groups of cyclists who like to dream that they are contenders for the Tour de France routinely block public roads. They take up more than a lane of traffic; at times they ignore people trying — legitimately — to negotiate pedestrian crossings; and at other times, by travelling at speeds well below the limit, recreational bike riders often frustrate other road users who are attempting to reach their destinations on time.

As a commuter myself, I have no problem with cyclists who use our roads to travel to and from work; but I remain unconvinced about sporting riders who treat thoroughfares like Beach Rd as their own private velodrome.

A final reason motorists of all persuasions often hate cyclists is the smug sense of superiority too many pedal-pushers display. Some bike riders like to lecture drivers about the damage their motor vehicles cause the environment; yet the same cyclists conveniently ignore the fact that bicycle components are made of materials like aluminium and carbon fibre — both of which are products of intense (and pollution-creating) industrialisation.

If bike riders demand respect from motorists, they should pay some form of rego, obey all (not just some of) our traffic laws, accept that roads are for transport, not fun — and lose some of the holier-than-thou attitude.

IÂ’m a cyclist. And too often IÂ’m not proud of my fellow two-wheel enthusiastsÂ’ behaviour towards others.

[Mick_Marsh]

He's a little further up the pecking order.
You may find those "higher up the pecking order", as you say, are held to higher standards.
I find it very easy not to swear on this forum as I rarely swear in real life.

Oh, and the easiest way to wind me up is to feed me savory mince, eggs, onions but, for best effect, all three.

Actually, I'm rather winded up at the moment, and it ain't pleasant.

[Ancient Mariner]

A German Moke for Mick[biggrin]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

One of the few times I'm glad we are in different states Mick,,,[bigrolf]

you will let us know when you unwind sufficiently?

[Mick_Marsh]

A German Moke for Mick[biggrin]
I would love a Kubelwagen. For many years I used to drive past one parked in Droop St.

Driving along Beach Road on Saturday, I was passed by a G wagen. I was travelling so slow I was passed by everything, until the G Wagen passed me. Then I followed it. It was a 6x6 cargo towing a Haulmark tandem. It had DUI signs on it front and rear. I was having a good look at it. When will they be going through disposal? Not soon enough.

[bee utey]

A German Moke for Mick[biggrin]

A VW country buggy. An invention of VW of Australia based on a 1200 Beetle floor pan with some Kombi additions, I think about 500 were built. Put in anything bigger that the 1200cc engine they came with and the rear suspension became dangerous. Definitely not a Kubelwagen. [bigsad]

[Tins]

Same rules at all levels of this tree last time I looked... [biggrin]

True, but the term "super Moderator" outweighs Chatterbox, oops, I see I've achieved Yarn Master status, whatever that is. Ian, if you want me to cut loose then maybe I will, but then you may not see me for a while.

[Mick_Marsh]

A VW country buggy. An invention of VW of Australia based on a 1200 Beetle floor pan with some Kombi additions, I think about 500 were built. Put in anything bigger that the 1200cc engine they came with and the rear suspension became dangerous. Definitely not a Kubelwagen. [bigsad]
In that case, not interested.

[Tins]

A VW country buggy. An invention of VW of Australia based on a 1200 Beetle floor pan with some Kombi additions, I think about 500 were built. Put in anything bigger that the 1200cc engine they came with and the rear suspension became dangerous. Definitely not a Kubelwagen. [bigsad]

Oh yes. The almost original 'car of the people' suspension. I'm not sure if the term "roll oversteer" existed before that car, but it did afterward.

[V8Ian]

True, but the term "super Moderator" outweighs Chatterbox, oops, I see I've achieved Yarn Master status, whatever that is. Ian, if you want me to cut loose then maybe I will, but then you may not see me for a while.
We'd better exchange phone numbers before you go. [bigsad]

[Ancient Mariner]

A VW country buggy. An invention of VW of Australia based on a 1200 Beetle floor pan with some Kombi additions, I think about 500 were built. Put in anything bigger that the 1200cc engine they came with and the rear suspension became dangerous. Definitely not a Kubelwagen. [bigsad]
Thanks for that, came accross it this morning knew what it was Been trying to remember what it was called all day .:wheelchair:

[trout1105]

I rebuilt a Californian Moke many years ago.
A great little car even had the 13 inch sunraisias on it But like all mini's it was definitely a Summer car as a few drops of rain on that strategically place distributor cap would shut the engine down.
Just as well really because it didn't have a roof anyway.

[Mick_Marsh]

I rebuilt a Californian Moke many years ago.
A great little car even had the 13 inch sunraisias on it But like all mini's it was definitely a Summer car as a few drops of rain on that strategically place distributor cap would shut the engine down.
Just as well really because it didn't have a roof anyway.
They had covers over the distributor to stop the ignition getting wet. Most people couldn't be bothered refitting those covers. Silly them.
Yes, winters in the Moke. The only troubles I had was "fish'n'chip" shop windows. I get that in the Landrovers. And the heater, compared with the Landrovers, the Moke was always toasty.
I had a Moke without a roof for a while. One cold winters evening, quite late, I was driving along Bourke Road. I stopped at a red light. A 'W' class tram pulled up beside me. The door opened. The conductor stuck his head out and asked "Are you cold?"
"I have a heater." I answered.
Happy with that, he returned to the tram and closed the door.
Middle of winter, no roof, sitting in an motorised oversized roller skate, of course I was cold. I was freezing.
But, geez, I had fun in that Moke.

[Tins]

We'd better exchange phone numbers before you go. [bigsad]

You already have mine, or are you afflicted with iansheimers?

[V8Ian]

You already have mine, or are you afflicted with iansheimers?
And you mine, but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. [biggrin]

[Tins]

And you mine, but lets not let the truth get in the way of a good yarn. [biggrin]

I wasn't asking....


Because I hadn't forgotten....

[V8Ian]

I wasn't asking....


Because I hadn't forgotten....
Who are you? [tonguewink]

[Tins]

Who are you? [tonguewink]

Me, obviously.

[Fifth Columnist]

Me, obviously.I'm me, you're you.

[Chops]

They had covers over the distributor to stop the ignition getting wet. Most people couldn't be bothered refitting those covers. Silly them.
Yes, winters in the Moke. The only troubles I had was "fish'n'chip" shop windows. I get that in the Landrovers. And the heater, compared with the Landrovers, the Moke was always toasty.
I had a Moke without a roof for a while. One cold winters evening, quite late, I was driving along Bourke Road. I stopped at a red light. A 'W' class tram pulled up beside me. The door opened. The conductor stuck his head out and asked "Are you cold?"
"I have a heater." I answered.
Happy with that, he returned to the tram and closed the door.
Middle of winter, no roof, sitting in an motorised oversized roller skate, of course I was cold. I was freezing.
But, geez, I had fun in that Moke.

I wouldn't know,,,, Would you know where I can get hold of a green ute [wink11]

[Mick_Marsh]

I wouldn't know,,,, Would you know where I can get hold of a green ute [wink11]
Nup.

[cuppabillytea]

I thought these were unwinders.

125045

They're not unwinders. They wind me up to buggery and back.

[cuppabillytea]

Oh yes. The almost original 'car of the people' suspension. I'm not sure if the term "roll oversteer" existed before that car, but it did afterward.
Edit OOPS Stuffed post all together.[bigwhistle]

[cuppabillytea]

They had covers over the distributor to stop the ignition getting wet. Most people couldn't be bothered refitting those covers. Silly them.
Yes, winters in the Moke. The only troubles I had was "fish'n'chip" shop windows. I get that in the Landrovers. And the heater, compared with the Landrovers, the Moke was always toasty.
I had a Moke without a roof for a while. One cold winters evening, quite late, I was driving along Bourke Road. I stopped at a red light. A 'W' class tram pulled up beside me. The door opened. The conductor stuck his head out and asked "Are you cold?"
"I have a heater." I answered.
Happy with that, he returned to the tram and closed the door.
Middle of winter, no roof, sitting in an motorised oversized roller skate, of course I was cold. I was freezing.
But, geez, I had fun in that Moke.

They did have Ignition covers and I treasured mine, although, I went across the Yadboro at water over the bonnet speed and I had to wait half an Hour after liberal application of WD40, to be on my way again. Then I had to cross the water again. This time she kept going.
Cold!! I'll give you cold. My Sister and I were invited to stay at Falls Creek for a spot of Skiing. It was so cold on the way down that the windscreen iced up. The only way to defrost it was to take my glove off and hold my bare finger tips on the glass to make peep holes.
I loved my Moke too but it was destroyed by a Monaro.

[V8Ian]

My BiL's car broke down near Armidale late one freezing, mid-winter night, he cadged a lift to town in an open Moke. The young bloke driving was in shorts and a tee shirt, greeting each tree as they past "Helloooo treeeee.". He was off his face on dope and didn't exceed 20mph on the highway. After an hour and half of terror my BiL was most relieved to get out.

[cuppabillytea]

My BiL's car broke down near Armidale late one freezing, mid-winter night, he cadged a lift to town in an open Moke. The young bloke driving was in shorts and a tee shirt, greeting each tree as they past "Helloooo treeeee.". He was off his face on dope and didn't exceed 20mph on the highway. After an hour and half of terror my BiL was most relieved to get out.

Moke drivers are capable of anything. Nothing could touch it on a twisty road.

Every one who got out of mine after having been prized off the OMG Handle, was visibly shaken and or shaking and not always from the cold.

[V8Ian]

Moke drivers are capable of anything. Nothing could touch it on a twisty road.

Every one who got out of mine after having been prized off the OMG Handle, was visibly shaken and or shaking and not always from the cold.
Same in the Defender too?

[Tins]

Moke drivers are capable of anything. Nothing could touch it on a twisty road.

Every one who got out of mine after having been prized off the OMG Handle, was visibly shaken and or shaking and not always from the cold.

Bet my Cooper S could have given it a shake. And I'd have been warm. Well, warmer than you.

[cuppabillytea]

Same in the Defender too?

Not as frequently but yep. :whistling:


Bet my Cooper S could have given it a shake. And I'd have been warm. Well, warmer than you.

Up hill yep. Down hill nup.:tease:

[Chops]

It's the cyclists fault,,, they should be made to pay rego [biggrin]

[Tins]

It's the cyclists fault,,, they should be made to pay rego [biggrin]

Well, at least that would help in determining whose fault it actually was. Why should cyclists miss all the fun?