Just bought 6 - 18' wheels for my Discovery 4

[Tony V]

Happy as a pig... [bigrolf]

After lots of looking and confirmation from Bearmach that the wheels will fit the Australian D4 3ltr. I carry 2 spares on the rear bar and currently I am running 20" to get some decent rubber under the car.

The wheels part numbers are RRC505360MNH
125250 125251

The cost.. this is the best part...

Shipping and handling (7 day turnaround) 28 pounds or just under $50.00 for all 6 wheels.
I used the LROC Cairns 10% discount code CFNQ10 and also the VAT at 20% was taken off

AUD 1008 or 594.95 Pounds...

This deal is for this weekend only then shipping goes back to 324 pound for 5 wheels.

Bargain.... [bigsmile]

[Strop]

Look good. Any idea of the weight?

[Strop]

Do they fit on the 3 litre D4's

[LRDisco_Fever]

Hey mate, you have a 3L disco right? Are you positive they fit without modifying the front brake callipers?

[Tony V]

Look good. Any idea of the weight?


unsure of the weight, around the 15kg I believe. Normal shipping for 5 is 324 pounds...
This weekend is 28 pounds for 1 or 10 wheels.

[Tony V]

Do they fit on the 3 litre D4's


I have been through this with Bearmach over the past 3 months and they assure me that they will fit any standard D4 in Australia including my 3ltr.

So I have an email trail, I have it in writing, I also have the guarantee that they will pay the return cost if they don't fit. :rulez: :bat:


I have spoken to possibly 5 of their guys from the Engineering through to management. This is how LROCC got the 10% deal [bigsmile1]

[Tony V]

Hey mate, you have a 3L disco right? Are you positive they fit without modifying the front brake callipers?


Yep I have the 3ltr D4, as the post above, I have spent 3 months looking at these wheels and asking the same questions and for assurances.. :rulez:

One thing a global organisation like BEARMACH can't afford is bull&^%ting a Land Rover owner, in our world bad news travels very fast...:soapbox:

Here is their web page with the wheel details.

18'' x 8 Style 2 Alloy Wheel - Bearmach (https://bearmach.com/18-x-8-style-2-alloy-wheel-rrc505360mnh)

Notice it states ALL Discovery 3 L319, Discovery 4 L319, Range Rover Sport L3

The part number is also a Land Rover one.

Note that the pre discount cost of the wheel is £125.99 take off 10% for LROCC discount and then 20% for VAT and its down to £104.99 plus Shipping, this weekend only that is £28.00

So With the £1 = $1.69 I just paid $1008 for 6 wheels... [bigrolf]

[LRDisco_Fever]

Sounds like you are covered mate. Can't wait to see them on, what rubber you thinking of getting?

[Stuart02]

What's the load rating on those babies?

[Strop]

Found 940Kg.
Weight 17.6 kg on one site 5.1 on another.
53mm offset

[RickO]

I only I hadn't just bought GG 19"s.............. (which I'm very happy with mind you)

[apom]

I had been told previously these do fit, then told no.

As I have found so many times recently, the only really way to find out is to sometimes do it yourself. So this morning with the help of a D3 owner that bought these for his car we tried to fit them on to my 2016 D4.

Sadly they don't fit without having to shave your calipers. As you can see in the photos they simply are too tight. With the wheel done up tight there was ZERO movement and the wheel was stuck hard. It was hard enough remove the paint from the inside of the rim.

I would be contact these guys ASAP unless they can tell you they have been modified recently to find out whats going on
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[Strop]

I did see in the advertisement that it was Style 2. Just wondering if the ones you tried were an older version or if the Style is a different colour.

[Tony V]

I had been told previously these do fit, then told no.

As I have found so many times recently, the only really way to find out is to sometimes do it yourself. So this morning with the help of a D3 owner that bought these for his car we tried to fit them on to my 2016 D4.

Sadly they don't fit without having to shave your calipers. As you can see in the photos they simply are too tight. With the wheel done up tight there was ZERO movement and the wheel was stuck hard. It was hard enough remove the paint from the inside of the rim.

I would be contact these guys ASAP unless they can tell you they have been modified recently to find out whats going on
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Thanks apom for your concern and intent to help, I was fully aware of the D3 caliper issue and knew that Compomotive have an 18" wheel sold via Gordon @ Green Oval.
I had emailed Compomotive regarding wheels sometime ago about 18"wheels. I started looking again this year, I had already brought 20"rims and for a better range of tyres and increase in height (just on 32" now).
Last year during my email conversations with Advance Factors, where I purchased new lower front arms and shipped them, they suggested Bearmach for the wheels for the D4 in an email, that I had forgotten until Bearmach and I had a conversation regarding discount for LROCC.

So the problem of 18" wheels on the D4 has been put to Bearmach over a period of 3 months and to various technical and sales people including Stuart Truckel who is the Director of Bearmach in the UK.
I have repeatedly been reassured that the wheel fit ALL D4's including the Australia.

We will know for sure in the next 10 day if they are as promised. If what they have told me is wrong AULRO will be the second people I will inform..

I hope and doubt that Bearmach would risk the backlash from LR owners from Australia if these wheels are not what is advertised for one, or what in my case I have been told on many occasions.
Not only would I hit ALURO frum but the others I am part of as well.

My claim through Visa for my money back and possible legal actions.

[cjc_td5]

All the best with it Tony. You seem to have all of your ducks lined up and at the end of the day you have to trust their word (with backup contingencies as you have). Several of us are very interested in your outcome.
Cheers Chris.

[Stuart02]

All the best with it Tony. You seem to have all of your ducks lined up and at the end of the day you have to trust their word (with backup contingencies as you have). Several of us are very interested in your outcome.
Cheers Chris.
Yes we'd all love you to be right! :)

[apom]

Yep, they looked the same on the face for sure, but the Style 2 could be a modified version. Like you say, in 10 days we will all know. It was a close fit but even those sections that didn't touch were less than 1mm clearance so it would need to be a good updated.

[LRD414]

The problem of 18" wheels for 3.0L D4s with larger brakes has been put to a lot more companies over a far greater time period than Bearmach for the three months you've been looking into it Tony and there has never been any actual positive proof outside of the Compomotive PD1881. And I believe that will be the case here as well. This wheel has a LR part number that's been around for a long time and I think there is zero chance it will be different for this Bearmach version. Surely the easiest thing would be for them to demonstrate the wheel on a vehicle or contact a customer who already has used them. I also think if this was the magic wheel it would have been prominently advertised and discussed, especially on Disco3. Anyway I don't like being negative, hope I'm wrong and eating my words in a couple of weeks. But if not, good luck with the Visa safety net.

Regards,
Scott

[Graeme]

Style 2 is part of the description for this part# in the 2012 version of Microcat, with Style 1 for the more common spoke pattern that has a different part#.

[Disco4Dave]

The Australian spec for a D4 SDV6 has a "maximum mass" on the rear axle of 1885 kg, which implies a maximum load of 942.5 kg per rear wheel.
While the 2.5kg difference between the 940kg rating on these wheels and the implied 942.5 kg required is not likely to be a real-world issue, I wonder if it may present any legal problems?
For comparison, the std wheels on my D4 have a 965kg load rating.

[DiscoJeffster]

The Australian spec for a D4 SDV6 has a "maximum mass" on the rear axle of 1885 kg, which implies a maximum load of 942.5 kg per rear wheel.
While the 2.5kg difference between the 940kg rating on these wheels and the implied 942.5 kg required is not likely to be a real-world issue, I wonder if it may present any legal problems?
For comparison, the std wheels on my D4 have a 965kg load rating.

Nice spot, and a real issue. While it's incredibly unlikely in the event of an accident such things would ever be discovered (unless the cause was obviously attributed to a wheel failure due to load), it would still make the car un-roadworthy by the letter of the law.

[Tony V]

A big thanks to everyone who has taken a genuine interest in these wheels and provided technical advice and support.

So Strop and I had both made purchases for these wheels have both gone back to BEARMACH with the information and in particular the photos from apom and info from LRD414.
The advertised wheels will not fit the 3ltr D4 as advertised and both Lawrence and I will be getting our refunds tonight and another AURLO member who is currently chatting on line will be advised that they will not fit.

So thanks to all who have given advice, to those who hoped it was true, just a reminder that when ordering overseas, do what I did and documented all discussions and ask specific questions regarding what you want and get it in writing.

I must admit that BEARMACH had come back quickly, they have called me 5 times over the weekend, were extremely apologetic and had not realised that the Australian D4 from 2010 had larger brakes.
If in any doubt give them the VIN so they can Topix you vehicle, which is how we found this.

Thanks again guys..

[Tony V]

Email tonight from Bearmach Director.


125420

[Bytemrk]

While these wheels won't fit mine.... I'm definitely impressed by the professional and rapid response from Bearmach.

Thanks for at least trying Tony.

[LRD414]

...... had not realised that the Australian D4 from 2010 had larger brakes ....
Good result but that's not accurate. All 3.0L engine vehicles have the larger brakes in the UK, North America and here, as well as the V8 engine vehicles.
So while their response now is good this never should have happened in the first place.
It amazes me that these companies (this isn't the first time something like this has happened) aren't very aware of this long standing and well known restriction.

Cheers,
Scott

[cjc_td5]

Good result but that's not accurate. All 3.0L engine vehicles have the larger brakes in the UK, North America and here, as well as the V8 engine vehicles.
So while their response now is good this never should have happened in the first place.
It amazes me that these companies (this isn't the first time something like this has happened) aren't very aware of this long standing and well known restriction.

Cheers,
Scott
Yes my thoughts also.
Chris

[justinc]

I use microcat daily and constantly find errors. Topix is the only accurate system. I can see how they made the mistake.... but good service in rectifying/ refunding and taking responsibility. Sadly lacking in this ' not my fault' world we live in. ..

[Grentarc]

I use microcat daily and constantly find errors. Topix is the only accurate system. I can see how they made the mistake.... but good service in rectifying/ refunding and taking responsibility. Sadly lacking in this ' not my fault' world we live in. ..

Microcat doesn't actually say that they fit all models, just that they are a part number that is listed for D4s starting at vehicle 00001 (which is true, for the 2.7 and 4.0 vehicles in that VIN range)- the Microcat excuse is a cop out for 1. not knowing how Microcat lists parts in relation to VIN range/model, and 2. not knowing the very well documented issue with the 3.0/5.0 brakes and blindly following their misguided translation of Microcat.

[Graeme]

Microcat is misleading in not noting that they do not fit the 3.0. In other areas, such as the MY11/12 L322, in some instances there are notations on rim descriptions as to what brakes they will fit over but amongst them are rims from earlier models that do not have the qualification. The D4 rim in question was a D3 rim for which there were no restrictions at the time but the description was left unqualified when included in the D4 section.

[Tony V]

Bearmach have refunded my payment in full overnight and will take care of all shipping cost. I suspect that Lawrence has his money too.

While I understand that this should not happen, it did and while we know this should not happen, we must remember that the order takers in the UK would not necessarily have this sort of request on a daily basis and deal with basic LR parts day in and day out. I also suspect that they may not all be LR owners or even enthusiast.

Justinc and Graeme have said, the system, Microcat that can be confusing, they use it and I see no reason to doubt what they say. I make mistakes now and then, I try not to make them.

As far as I am concerned BEARMACH admitted it was their fault, took ownership of the problem and made retribution in a very reasonable time which is highly unusual.

Although these are not my words I quote:

but good service in rectifying/ refunding and taking responsibility. Sadly lacking in this ' not my fault' world we live in.

[Milton477]

It's not about how badly you mess up but more about how you fix it which gets the customers coming back. Just my 5c worth.

[101RRS]

Just came across this thread - those wheels look as is they are the standard wheels fitted as OEM to the basic RRS models - I have them on my RRS. As now has been found out they do not fit over the bigger brakes - I am surprised you went through the motion of buying overseas as these wheels are quite cheap on the ebay second hand market here.

A sign of a good supplier is not only how well they treat you when buying but more importantly how well they treat you when things go wrong - it is graet to see that they have done right by you without any hassle.

Glad it all worked out in the end.125520

[Tony V]

Just came across this thread - those wheels look as is they are the standard wheels fitted as OEM to the basic RRS models - I have them on my RRS. As now has been found out they do not fit over the bigger brakes - I am surprised you went through the motion of buying overseas as these wheels are quite cheap on the ebay second hand market here.

A sign of a good supplier is not only how well they treat you when buying but more importantly how well they treat you when things go wrong - it is graet to see that they have done right by you without any hassle.

Glad it all worked out in the end.125520


Totally agree, the main reason to purchase new from OS was that as 18" wheels they were supposed to fit the D4 3ltr, after asking a number of times, which they don't. But as you said they rectified things very quickly and right up to the Director spoke to me as well as emailed an apology for their mistake. [smilebigeye]