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Pedro_The_Swift
12th July 2017, 12:00 PM
I am running a (Qnap) BAD BLOCKS scan now,,

I know I have ONE second hand green WD drive in there,, I have several spares if it fails,, and am actually interested in the the replacement procedure,,

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Pedro_The_Swift
12th July 2017, 12:05 PM
this may take awhile---[bigwhistle]

AK83
12th July 2017, 12:47 PM
.... and am actually interested in the the replacement procedure,,

...

Probably depends on how your storage has been setup.

I only use single volume mode(ie. not raid, nor JBOD).
They should be hot swappable if you're in single volume mode.

Dunno the 'correct' procedure if you've used RAID mode, and obviously you wouldn't have (ever) used JBOD mode!!

I think if you've used RAID 5 the box will rebuild the replacement disk itself.

If you have spares, and use single volumes, then backup all data to a spare(even a USB connected drive) and replace once it's backed up.

Pedro_The_Swift
12th July 2017, 04:00 PM
The scan found two bad blocks,,
so what happens now?

Lee Jackson
12th July 2017, 04:17 PM
Normally it would flag those blocks as BAD and not write to them.

Pedro_The_Swift
13th July 2017, 12:24 AM
Hmm the Qnas didnt like the fault,, so a quick turn off,, HDD replacement and reboot,, and BINGO!
4 green lights, and a NOTICE to say its rebuilding a drive,,

mind you its an ATOM so I think I'll sleep on it,,,



and yes,, it WAS a green WD that I replaced,,

funny how WD have stopped selling GREEN HDD's,, and now sell BLUE HDD's,,

funny huh,,

Eevo
13th July 2017, 01:07 AM
shouldnt be using a green WD in a NAS.

AK83
13th July 2017, 08:06 AM
shouldnt be using a green WD in a NAS.

+1

I have one(2Tb) in a USB HDD box, and it's slow as hell. Quiet, but slow. So I have it on the USB2 line.
Blacks are much faster(about 3x), so they go on the USB3 line.

For NAS ... WD Reds all the way.

ps. not all WD greens are bad .. like Seagate drives.
I've had 100% failure on my 3 Seagates over the past 10 years, and even tho the Barracuda was the fastest drive I've yet had .. I prefer reliable.
So far (about 15 years), I still have 0% failure with any of my WD drives.
Problem is what to do with them!
Green and Black WD have so far proven reliable. I reckon they'd now be about 5 or 6yrs old each, and they do take a hammering. I regularly reformat them for a bit more speed every 12-24months.

Green may have to go soon, even tho there's nothing wrong with it other than it only has 170Gb space remaining on it.
I use it only for photo storage space as local access for the PC. I'll need to replace it soon.

Pedro_The_Swift
13th July 2017, 08:40 AM
Hmm, woke up this morning to this,,
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The nas is showing 4 green drive lights,, so the replacement is connected,,
but also a solid red and flashing amber,, I gather this means "degraded"
as thats what QNAP is telling me,,

Pedro_The_Swift
13th July 2017, 04:31 PM
newb mistake[bighmmm]
the replacement drive has to be "unallocated":rulez:[thumbsupbig]

and for all you platter counters out there I replaced the green with a blue,, [smilebigeye]


its busily rebuilding as we type [bigrolf]

Eevo
13th July 2017, 05:50 PM
its busily rebuilding as we type [bigrolf]


its almost as interesting as watching paint dry

AK83
14th July 2017, 06:23 AM
its almost as interesting as watching paint dry

Or fixing annoying Windows Update issues!
(registry problems apparently).
Windows Update service was using up 70-80% CPU time(daughter's little school tablet/laptop thingy).
I reckon about 3 hrs of applying fixes(there's a Windows Update fixer-upper tool) that needed to be run about 10 times to sort whatever issue out.
Then of course the glacial application of Win Update multiple times with the multiple reboots that go with it ..

Watching 'pain dry', or NAS RAID rebuilding processes is positively riveting, nail biting excitement! :zzz: ... compared to fixing WinUpdate issues :wallbash:

Eevo
14th July 2017, 06:58 AM
Or fixing annoying Windows Update issues!
(registry problems apparently).
Windows Update service was using up 70-80% CPU time(daughter's little school tablet/laptop thingy).
I reckon about 3 hrs of applying fixes(there's a Windows Update fixer-upper tool) that needed to be run about 10 times to sort whatever issue out.
Then of course the glacial application of Win Update multiple times with the multiple reboots that go with it ..

Watching 'pain dry', or NAS RAID rebuilding processes is positively riveting, nail biting excitement! :zzz: ... compared to fixing WinUpdate issues :wallbash:


reinstalling is easier.
lol

trying to fix wsus issues, now thats "fun"

AK83
14th July 2017, 07:18 AM
reinstalling is easier.
lol

....

School tablet(y) laptop(y) thing .. unless they do it .. not possible(for me) .. and it's school holidays.
I was going to do a restore, but thought .. how hard can it be to run a simple M$ windows update fixer-upper program ... 10 times! :bat:

Now I wish I'd given up earlier ... and just set my QNAP to rebuild itself too(it sits in the living room as my HTPC, connected to the TV).
Too cold(and wet) to paint the living room ... and then sit back and watch it dry :D

Now that the little Dell(3000 series) foldable latop isn't running the CPU at 80% 100% of the time, it's not a bad little unit as a tablet(y)-laptop(y) thing.

Pedro_The_Swift
2nd December 2017, 06:38 PM
Now,, where was I,,
oh yes. I replaced the assortment of hard drives with 4 new 2TB drives,,
but since the infamous Fall Creators update I can no long "see" my NAS as a drive...
makes it hard to do backups,,,,
Windows see's my NAS as a media player yet wont transfer files to it.. ??
and even after a total change of motherboards/PC's I still get this,,

AK83
3rd December 2017, 07:53 AM
....

but since the infamous Fall Creators update I can no long "see" my NAS as a drive...
makes it hard to do backups,,,,
Windows see's my NAS as a media player yet wont transfer files to it.. ??
...

Obviously somethign got borked during the update.

For Win to see the NAS a a media player, you must have DNLA enbaled as a service on the QNAP.
Makes sense, works well(especially if you access it via multiple devices)

Assuming that Win not only sees the media player, but also allows you to play media files from it(ie. access to it is good) then I'd say the mapped drive setting in Windows just got removed.

Can you see the NAS in your network list in Windows Explorer(LH Pane)?
If so, then it's just a matter of expanding the directory structure under the NAS's listing, right clicking on any of the accessible drives, and choosing the map network drive context option for each that you want to have mapped.

Note that those steps above assume that 1/. Windows and NAS are all on the same network settings(groups, and IP numerical structures and so on) and 2/. that having installed all those new HDDs in the NAS that they haven't been set to a limited access setting in some way(on the NAS).


A point to note too: it's funny how when a problem arises we tend to immediately blame M$ and or Windows for the issue.
I get this sometimes too, which is due to a lack of common occurrence.
What happens every now and then is I get a power failure(in the area) and even tho the QNAP is set to reboot and turn itself back on after a power failure, it sometimes forgets too! :bat:
Why and how is an unknown quantity. Sometimes it doesn't, usually it does.
Anyhow, I start up the PC, and I get a message that a network drive(s) are missing when Windows finally settles down to do some work. I dismiss it(as I always do).
Then I try to do something that may depend on the NAS, and I get an error msg saying mapped drive is not accessible. I jump to the usually conclusion that Windows is having a hissy fit. But it ALWAYS! ends up being that the NAS hasn't started up again.
It happens so infrequently tho that I completely forget that this is what happened last time too.

if any of the above fails to help to get the mapped drive(s) going for 'ya again, an easy way to get mapped drives up and running again is via the (generally useless) QNAP Windows tool.

Otherwise just get access to the NAS via your browser(where the better browser for a QNAP is Chrome)
This is the only reason I have Chrome installed on my PC .. access to the QNAP.
That won't help with setting up mapped drives(the PC QNAP tool does that for 'ya) but getting to the NAS voa your browser confirms network access, and then obviously you then go into the various control panel items to check for altered settings that may have set minimal network access.

Check things like directory permissions: check under Users and also under shared folders.
Also check Network and File Services and go into the Win/Mac/NFS settings. For windows the obvious area to check is the Microsoft Networking tab. I always try to keep running services to a minimum, so no Apple devices here, so no need to enable Apple networking , nor any UNIX(other than the QNAP! [tonguewink]) devices so no need for NFS to be running either.

Pedro_The_Swift
3rd December 2017, 08:04 AM
Thanks for the reply Arthur,,

"Obviously somethign got borked during the update. Dunno,, the link was never very stable,, having my vpn on closed the link down

For Win to see the NAS a a media player, you must have DNLA enbaled as a service on the QNAP. ?? will check. but only want access thru this PC
Makes sense, works well(especially if you access it via multiple devices)

Assuming that Win not only sees the media player, but also allows you to play media files from it(ie. access to it is good) then I'd say the mapped drive setting in Windows just got removed. ?? play music from it? never tried.. wait please ;)

Can you see the NAS in your network list in Windows Explorer(LH Pane)? No
If so, then it's just a matter of expanding the directory structure under the NAS's listing, right clicking on any of the accessible drives, and choosing the map network drive context option for each that you want to have mapped.

Note that those steps above assume that 1/. Windows and NAS are all on the same network settings(groups, and IP numerical structures and so on)
How do I ensure this?

and 2/. that having installed all those new HDDs in the NAS that they haven't been set to a limited access setting in some way(on the NAS). I just bolted them in, no changes were made.


A point to note too: it's funny how when a problem arises we tend to immediately blame M$ and or Windows for the issue.
I get this sometimes too, which is due to a lack of common occurrence.
What happens every now and then is I get a power failure(in the area) and even tho the QNAP is set to reboot and turn itself back on after a power failure, it sometimes forgets too! :bat:
Why and how is an unknown quantity. Sometimes it doesn't, usually it does.
Anyhow, I start up the PC, and I get a message that a network drive(s) are missing when Windows finally settles down to do some work. I dismiss it(as I always do).
Then I try to do something that may depend on the NAS, and I get an error msg saying mapped drive is not accessible. I jump to the usually conclusion that Windows is having a hissy fit. But it ALWAYS! ends up being that the NAS hasn't started up again.
It happens so infrequently tho that I completely forget that this is what happened last time too.

if any of the above fails to help to get the mapped drive(s) going for 'ya again, an easy way to get mapped drives up and running again is via the (generally useless) QNAP Windows tool.

Otherwise just get access to the NAS via your browser(where the better browser for a QNAP is Chrome)
This is the only reason I have Chrome installed on my PC .. access to the QNAP.
That won't help with setting up mapped drives(the PC QNAP tool does that for 'ya) but getting to the NAS voa your browser confirms network access, and then obviously you then go into the various control panel items to check for altered settings that may have set minimal network access. Yes! I can access it via FF browser, but wont transfer files eg. virus update files

Check things like directory permissions: check under Users and also under shared folders. .. Ok
Also check Network and File Services and go into the Win/Mac/NFS settings. For windows the obvious area to check is the Microsoft Networking tab. I always try to keep running services to a minimum, so no Apple devices here, so no need to enable Apple networking , nor any UNIX(other than the QNAP! [tonguewink]) devices so no need for NFS to be running either.

Pedro_The_Swift
3rd December 2017, 08:20 AM
cant stream music, it needs a "music streaming app" but cant reach the QNAP store to get one[bigrolf]
should any of the nas folders be "shared"?
File service?

AK83
3rd December 2017, 08:49 AM
so if you can access the QNAP via FF, then it's on the network via the IP numbers, but you can't access it via Windows, so it's almost likely that it's on a different Workgroup name, or Windows Networking(ie. SAMBA) isn't running on the QNAP any longer.

You can change these settings in the Control Panel via FF.
using Chrome does allow some more advanced abilities too tho.

Note that those advanced abilities may not be important to you tho.

eg. I use my QNAP(TS453A) as my home theatre device connected to my TV(via HDMI). So the QNAP doubles (mainly) as my movie watching device(as well as a computer if needed).
One of the apps I use on the QNAP is Kodi(for watching movies), and managing the library(for Kodi) is a PITA via the actual QNAP in the living room.
Easier way to manage the library is via a remote connection on my PC to the hybrid deskstation system.

So via my PC in the study, I can basically control the QNAP/TV three rooms away. For that to work I have to use Chrome, as FF doesn't do it(or didn't do it).
FF recently updated to a new version, so maybe that's changed now .. just haven't tried it.

At the least share the Public folder.
I have many shared folders, one of which is my own(ie. the Arthur) folder as well as both kids and Movies, Files and sundry folders like Photos.

my (arthur) folder is only accessible to me on my PC as it requires a user name and password. Once that's set, it's remembered.
It's possible to 'hack' into it I suppose, but there's nothing of sensitive nature in it .. just some spreadsheets, a few files and stuff in a 'backup' location.
I just don't want (eg. kids) to accidentally get to say some legal files and delete them or something like that.

another example is my Photos folder.
On the actual Nas I have two identical Photos folders(actually hard drives).
I only made one of those Photos HDDs shared.... and so, accessible to the network. This is where I backup too on the NAS. I called it Photos(1).
There's an identical Photos HDD(Photos(2)) that can't be accessed on the network at all.
This is a twofold protection.

1/. from virus/trojan/malware type crap. My sis got one of those ransomware hacks a while back and they can affect any windows accessible directory. So simply being on a remote location isn't protection enough.
2/. protection from my own mishandling too. Had this happen a while back where I updated the folder, and got some corrupted files due to a transfer error. I didn't realise that some of the image files were corrupted, and backing them all up to a new HDD backed up corrupted files over what were probably good files. No way to know this without inspecting each file(tedious). So Photos(2) is a backup of Photos(1) but only accessible from the NAS.
I then update the #2 HDD only after I confirm that the #1 version is fine .. maybe once a year.

So while the main point of a NAS is to have access to shared folders, it also pays to have hidden folders/files too for any number of reasons, just in case ;)

one other thing on the topic of file transferring. Do you have or use an FTP program(on the PC). If so then allowing the FTP service to run is also a handy way to access files on the NAS.
I use Filezilla, works well, easy to use etc. Don't do it a lot, but sometimes it's handy to have. Pretty much bulletproof too. More reliable than transferring through Windows Explorer, just not as 'handy'.

Pedro_The_Swift
17th December 2017, 05:44 PM
Time to bite the bullet and decide this NAS thing is just not going to work for me,,
It "will not" connect via ethernet to my PC and allow 3rd party software to transfer files,, the QNAP Tech has said so, the helpful people on the QNAP Community website have said so (yet it did before the creators update,, otherwise how do I have 1.3TB of files on there??)
and so I (under great duress) plugged it into the modem downstairs and the NAS works Perfectly.... it accessed the net and updated everything.
just the speed of transfer via wifi will be unbearably slow, ( and take all my internet bandwidth with it--) and no 3rd party software I can find, will find the NAS on my network,, though the QNAP software QSYNC has no problem--- except it has no settings that work for me,, it either SYNC all or nothing,,

so now I have to somehow get that 1.3TB of files off the NAS, take the 4X2TB drives out, build a PC that has onboard raid, and transfer the files over,,
then I can start my backups again.
so another two pc's,

simples.

Pedro_The_Swift
18th December 2017, 07:27 PM
Ok,, so after a think[bighmmm],, I took two HDD's out of my PC,, and added 2 new ones spanned to make a 2TB drive,,,

thinking that,, [silly me,] if my NAS has 1.3TB of data, I need something bigger to cover it,, yes?
so did all that.
As i've said before,, QSYNC is literally a sync thing between folders, drives, etc..

so my thinking was -- fire up qsync and let it sync IT's data back to the spanned drive.. Yes? and it sort'a worked,, [of course]
There is a 500gb file limit on a single FOLDER using transfers with qsync.

and yes,, one of the folders, inside the NAS storage drive [main download folder] has more than that,, but there are no options with qsync,, the SYNC finishes,, but has done 381gb,, out of 1.3TB,, and this is after 24 hours of mucking around,,
also I've had a a couple of virus alerts from my PC thats disconnected the download. I have gone onto the NAS and deleted them,, though those "files" made it through the same antivirus to download originaly!! :)

Pedro_The_Swift
18th December 2017, 09:12 PM
So I have an Intel [!] MB DH87RL, with an I5 4570,,
this mb has a raid function (and I'm looking at ten, with these new drives) and on board vid, so I dont lose a vid card,,
these things are only around 4 years old so SHOULD be more reliable, than my X38 board and core 2 duo(which I am to be buried with),, at least that my idea,, [bighmmm][bigwhistle]

I AM giving up $$$$$ for reliability,, I could have sold these two---
but with the new drives and I5 and MB this PC-RAID should run ok for a while--

Pedro_The_Swift
18th December 2017, 10:24 PM
I am not happy with the lack of data coming back to me,, and the worst thing is I dont know why,, stupid qsync,, no options,, it just syncs,, mind you it DOES sync when normal ethernet doesnt even connect,, ???
anyway, just like the previous post X3, its time to bite it,, (turn the NAS off and destroy the array,,)

Hard to do though,, I've done a lot of work on this NAS to get it back to as-new, and just recently bought 4 new 2TB HDDs to double its capacity,,

and now I'm gunna take them out and bolt them into a PC and use software raid to imitate the NAS,,


maybe in the morning......

AK83
19th December 2017, 06:11 AM
.... its time to bite it,, (turn the NAS off and destroy the array,,)

....

maybe in the morning......

I wouldn't do that(yet).

I'm still wondering why it wouldn't connect to the PC.
As I understand it, you had it connect it directly to the PC, and for the rest of the network to see it from there?

If so, what I would have done is to connect it to the PC, via a switch/router/AccessPoint/repeater, instead of directly(to the PC).

I can't remember how you said you had your network setup, other than router is in another part of the house, and the PC is connected via Wifi?
I'm assuming that the PC has a built in Wifi module?
I'm also assuming that this Wifi module connects to the router in the other room?

So, my plan(above) with the switch/AP/etc, would only involve one new device, being any wifi capable repeater(y)/connect(y) type thing.
If you don't have anything, just a simple wifi extender with ethernet port connectivity will do (if you have the spare cash to get something).
I have the D-Link DAP-1665, AC wifi + 4 Eth ports as an example(and it works quite good too).

So, what you'd do is connect the DLink extender to the router via wifi only.
The PC would then connect to the DLink via wifi, or eth(eth is better tho!)
Connect the QNAP via eth to the DLink too.

This then releases the PC from bridging duties(for the QNAP) and everything just becomes a simple network.
Either via the DLink config page, or the router, you'd setup static IP addresses for the PC and QNAP.
Also set up the QNAP to use DHCP, so that it has a set IP address which never changes.

From reading up on your issue, for sure Windows routing ability seems to be lacking, so your taking out your frustrations on the QNAP, where the PC is to blame.

Pedro_The_Swift
19th December 2017, 01:04 PM
Thanks Arthur,, I REALLY dont want to discard the NAS,,
yes, the PC runs wifi to the modem downstairs,

so---- Wireless access point to switch then to pc and nas.
sounds too simple,,
wheres the catch?

Pedro_The_Swift
19th December 2017, 04:40 PM
Ok,, early christmas for me,,[bighmmm]
bought a Tp-Link AP300 wireless access point, to go with my D-Link DGS-100sa switch, and it all works,, everything has internet.( and 3 years warranty[bigrolf])
the file transfer bit is still a concern,,,

AK83
19th December 2017, 05:47 PM
Ok,, early christmas for me,,[bighmmm]
bought a Tp-Link AP300 wireless access point, to go with my D-Link DGS-100sa switch, and it all works,, everything has internet.( and 3 years warranty[bigrolf])
the file transfer bit is still a concern,,,

Even better!
(Was typing up a reply, with some suggestions ... and you replied in the meantime)

File transfers can be a concern due to HDD transfer rates.
What brand and model HDDs did you get for the NAS.
Are you running them raid.
I don't like raid, as it can take up system resources, and for really proper failsafe redundancy, you need RAID 5 (for it's parity) rather than RAID1.
I never found RAID 1 or 5 to offer much more in the way of read speed(from raid to PC), and usually you want the transfer speed boost from PC to RAID device(ie. write speed) .. and you don't get that.

So on my NAS I just use 'common sense'(mixed with a lot of experience).
I got drives with spare capacity, and all I wanted was a place to store my photos(mainly, but other stuff too) with surety, and some 'total' security too.
So instead of using 3HDDs for the space of 2!! .. I just used the two drives as separate HDDs with the same, but different backups on them. That's just for the photos.
So HDD 2 and 4 on the NAS are just for photos. I backup only #2 on a regular basis, keeping #4 as a final, end of year.. I've now checked, confirmed, double checked and filtered through every single file on that EOY #4 drive .. with a triple check, to ensure that all the files on #2 HDD are not corrupted in any way.
Been there done that, where I had a failed transfer once, and files got corrupted. Not knowing this(the files in the filenames were all fine), I kept updating the HDDs using syncing, without any knowledge that some of those image files were corrupted.

So once a year, maybe less! .. I do a triple check via an image browser to confirm that the files I'm about to double archive are not corrupted in any way.
The problem with file checking using sync or backup programs, is that it checks the files against each other only .. not the actual integrity of the file itself. One small bung bit in an image file can render it useless ... so I now have the above routine.
The other thing I hate about RAID(more so RAID 5) is the time it takes to build the array, if a HDD goes bang!

With separate disks, they're up and running in an instant.

The above method does take a bit of maintenance, but it's only a small amount of time, and with images(really the only data type I do that for) it's nice to review old images in bulk lots every now and then.
For all other files, even tho they're still vital(eg. old business docs, legal docs, etc... I just backup and backup again .. never really think about them in any way).

Another question re file transfers .. what type of wire are you using? is it Cat5, Cat5E, Cat6?
I've run some Cat6 in my house and eth speed is fine. A bit more than the 65MB from the PC to the NAS, so I'm happy enough with that at the moment.

If the NAS is very near the PC, and your model QNAP is the right type, you can boost performance to the PC at least using the multiple cabled trick(network load balancing).
Try to get an idea of the speed of the HDDs and this balanced network loading may offer this speed boost.
What you can do is use multiple cables PC - Switch - NAS for each.
This type of setup then uses both the cabled connections as a doubled up combo.
You don't get double the speed, but at least 50% additional speed, depending on hardware.
Another small boost to network speed can be had via the use of Jumbo frames if supported by your PC's eth connection.
QNAP, Windows and DGS-100A all support Jumbo Frames, but the ethernet card needs to be determined(most modern eth cards do nowadays).

Pedro_The_Swift
20th December 2017, 12:27 PM
4x2TB red WD,,
I'm not fussed on transfer speed as long as its via ethernet it will be ok,,
The NAS doesnt like 5ghz from the WAP understandably,, in fact i havent been able to get 5 to work on the PC either,
so I should be able to transfer files Via ethernet from Pc to switch then NAS?
At the moment the NAS is running raid 6, mainly due to the age of the original drives,, not sure at all if you can change on the fly---

DeanoH
20th December 2017, 01:55 PM
4x2TB red WD,,

so I should be able to transfer files Via ethernet from Pc to switch then NAS?
---

No worries at all Pedro. I've been running a Netgear Stora NAS for several years now in Raid 1 (mirror) mode with 2 X 2TB Drives. Setup is wireless ADSL router via Gb ethernet to Gb 8 port switch with 2 X PC's, 2 X printers and NAS connected to it.

Since our 'near death experience' with a ransomware virus a couple of years ago backup is now quite anal. SWMBO's PC, which holds 20K+ photos, journals and irreplaceable scanned documents representing thousands of hours work has a 1 X 256GB SSD c drive and 1 X 2TB 'storage' disk with an external 2TB USB3 'backup' drive which is all backed up to the 2TB capacity NAS. On occasion the NAS backup, another 2TB USB drive which lives in another building for 'redundancy' (we live in a bushfire risk area) is 'mirrored' from the NAS. As I said, all a bit over the top but (without the NAS backup) protected our files from destruction.

It's all a bit unwieldy really but effective. The time has come I think to 'upgrade' to a file server similar to the 500MB capacity, 486 powered Raid 10 that the NAS replaced some years ago as the 2TB basic building block of our current 'network' approaches capacity. I can't really see any reason to complicate things with Raid 5/6, unless a convincing argument can be made otherwise, so am thinking of 4 X 2TB WD reds with suitable auto back up to an external 4 TB backup. The trick is to come up with suitable software to do this in a way that effectively firewalls the backup from virus/malware attack.

One thought was to replace my ageing Telstra ADSL2 router with a Netgear Nighthawk X8 which is reputed to be a high quality 6 ethernet port wireless router all in one and use this as the 'heart' of a new system, another option is to go for a Cisco 'small business' ADSL 8 port POE router which can be got quite cheaply 2nd hand but I don't know much about them.

Deano :)

AK83
20th December 2017, 09:03 PM
Like Deano said.. no worries getting PC to see NAS via the access point/switch loop.
As long as the IP addresses have been set, and Samba is at least running on the QNAP to help.
Otherwise run the QNAP software on the PC to help get access.
But if Samba is running on the QNAP, then you should end up seeing the QNAP as a device in your Network list on Windows Explorer.
Also, if you don't have Chrome installed(no matter whether you like it or not) .. but Chrome is the better browser to hook into the QNAP management webface(not FF or Edge).
It's something to do with the way the QNAP firmware has been coded to work a bit better with Chrome.
Note I'm a commited FF user for years now, and tried Chrome once .. and dumped it immediately(not a fan). Still not a fan other than QNAP have done this thing to make access a bit more feature rich via Chrome.

Also just to be sure, you do have the NAS set to the same Workgroup name as the rest of the network too?

etc, etc.
Once you connect the PC to switch to NAS via eth cable .. be sure to ping it from Windows too(if you can't see it in the Network list). As long as the timing is <1ms, you're good to go.

Further to Deano's reply(re: near death ransomware) and backups ...

if you run Samba, and hence the really easy to access Windows Explorer or Mapped Drives, and syncing services, having the files on a raid on a NAS isn't an automatically assured protection from those worm types attacks.

My sister got a ransomware attack via an email containing a PDF that was the ransomware.
She opened a supposed invoice(as she runs a small business), and the PDF went haywire on her network and files.
Just searched out all recognisable file types throughout the network(3 PCs) and encrypted all the common file types available. xls, pdf, jpg, you name it they were all locked!

I looked into it, and it'd cost more to unlock them, than the ransom lowlifes were asking, but I told her not too pay(I think $300 or so) as it only encourages them to try harder next time to hack her network.

So I recovered what I could from temp data, she had most of the workable files she needed for promo posters and stuff, and luckily the database/point of sale files weren't on the list of targeted file types ... so he daily running of the shop wasn't affected.

But to help her become immune to such attacks in the future, I was looking into a remote/NAS server to maintain daily backups, that weren't directly accessible from the network.
That is, all the files would have been synced as the backup source, but either a strong password would be required .. or the file access was only from the remote NAS end, and not their PC's(ie. Windows) end.
In the end she didn't give me the go ahead... but on her experience, I made sure my important files are backed up onto the NAS on a drive not accessible by the PC(ie. Windows).

My understanding of these ransomware attacks is that they really only infest drives, remote or not, if they are Windows accessible .. eg. the most common being the Samba service and Windows mapped/networked drives.

So of the 4 drives, I've set 3 to be accessible, ie. the sacrificial lambs(so to speak), and the 4th one isn't accessible by Windows, or any other device on my network .. only the NAS.
So the backup from the other drives to that 4th drive can only be done via the QNAP's interface, and the drive is only accessible that way.

So if I get some form of attack on my network, at the least, while the 3 easy to access drives may succumb to that attack, the last drive is my 'last resort' backup.
It may be a bit of fuffing around to restore that backup of backups, but for the peace of mind .. not really a problem.

In my experience,data loss from HDD failure is very likely to be low. As long as my brand of drives don't begin with an 'S' .. I don't expect HD failures from the more durable W branded types at least. But I have hardware failure backups anyhow.
It's the loss of data through some unforseen attack that has me more mindful.

I know Cisco has a reputation that is strong .. but from a home network perspective, my experience has bee that they are about as bad as it gets.
Optus force you to use them carp products(they did a few years ago) .. and they gateway/routers are simply dreadful.
I found a hack to turn off my gateways(I have cable) routing capability and just use bridge mode(ie. just a straight up cable modem) .. like the old Motorola days.
I spent days at a time trying to get that POS Cisco modem router working for brother when he moved house first time(before I found the modem hack), and yet again for him when he moved house again(after I found the hack) a couple of years back.
I forced him to buy his own router for his home network(I think he got a DLink of some type) .. and did the hack on his second Cisco Optus gateway.

Now I see that they seem to use Sagem gateways .. which couldn't be as bad as those attrocious Cisco boxes.

I researched updating my R6300 router to a newer Netgear, and looked into the advantages of either an R7000 or the X8.
I liked the aggregation feature of the X8(over the R7000)
So, on my PC, I can setup a dual eth cable from PC to Router to Access Point to NAS and boost my wire speed transfers .. but not quite worth the $/advantage ratio.
So it's very low on the list of ..... stuff I want to help reduce my bank balance! [biggrin](new turbo for Tdi and ATBs front and rear on the D1 are closer to the top).

Pedro_The_Swift
21st December 2017, 06:29 AM
Samba,, hmm,, ok...

AK83
21st December 2017, 07:18 AM
I went back through the thread, and found the screenshot you had posted showing the Mocrosoft Networking setting.
That's called 'Samba', so with that enabled, you have it enabled.