Servicing a Puma at home

[debruiser]

I realise that probably this has been covered but...

I was thinking about starting to service my own 2013 Puma 90. It's due for it's 80000km service - was quoted $1200 for it. So what concerns me is the computer trickery stuff. If I was to get a OBDII system, which ones are good? which ones will do what I need?

Other things to think about? What other things should I be worried about, considering that I'm planning on keeping this defender until... well.. forever.

Is there any good tools that I should look at getting - brake fluid pressure bleed toy? etc.

Cheers
thanks

[jon3950]

There's not a lot of computer trickery on a Defender, but I can recommend the IIDTool. Have been using it for years on Discos (where it is much more useful) and now on the Defender.

There's not a lot for it to do on a Defender, but it also has the added benefit that it can be used to upload BAS remaps if you want to go down that path in the future.

Cheers,
Jon

[Toxic_Avenger]

What work are you planning to do?
If it's basic maintenance, then most of it you should be across mechanically, given your abilities with your other project.

I'm not up to speed on things like the engine timing chain, fuel pump rebuild timeframes etc... but it's not mentioned in the maintenance checklist.
According to said checklist, 80K km is a B service (more involved than the A service) with additional work including Transfercase fluid, diff oils, and you'd also be up to the second 40,000km wheel bearing greasing.

Don't let the computer side of things hold you back.
IIRC to reset the service interval reminder on the puma dash, you just key it on while holding the accelerator and brake all the way on for 5s.

[bemm52]

What work are you planning to do?
If it's basic maintenance, then most of it you should be across mechanically, given your abilities with your other project.

I'm not up to speed on things like the engine timing chain, fuel pump rebuild timeframes etc... but it's not mentioned in the maintenance checklist.
According to said checklist, 80K km is a B service (more involved than the A service) with additional work including Transfercase fluid, diff oils, and you'd also be up to the second 40,000km wheel bearing greasing.

Don't let the computer side of things hold you back.
IIRC to reset the service interval reminder on the puma dash, you just key it on while holding the accelerator and brake all the way on for 5s.

Where can I find the servicing check list, as my pumas are due for 60,000k service, every 10,000 I change oil and filters plus check gear and diff levels.

I was unaware of wheel bearing grease at 40,000 I'm assuming only consumables needed would be drive flange gaskets and grease?


Cheers Paul

[Toxic_Avenger]

I go off something like this:

https://i.imgur.com/iIWyUAf.jpg

It's not exhaustive, and some things need to be done more frequently than it states (especially if you drive off the black top)... but it's a good 'guide'

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/07/417.jpg

[bemm52]

Thanks pretty much as I am doing but couldn't see a reference to wheel bearings?

Cheers Paul

[Toxic_Avenger]

Wheel bearing reference is on page 2, which outlines additional works for various 'arduous use' conditions. I couldn't find a google image of it, but it's out there.

[LouNat58]

I go off something like this:

https://i.imgur.com/iIWyUAf.jpg

It's not exhaustive, and some things need to be done more frequently than it states (especially if you drive off the black top)... but it's a good 'guide'

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/07/417.jpg
Does something like this exist for the TD5 defender?

[ATH]

Changing the oils is the easy bit except making sure the catch can is in the right place for the engine oil. Whoosh out it comes under pressure......
While you're under there if you have to remove the front prop shaft for greasing, replace the nipples with long ones and you can get them in future without removing it.
Also do the ancillary belt as it's easy enough especially if you remove the fan first.
I doubt any of the service types at stealers would bother greasing bearings, just a shake of the wheels and "she'll be right" would be the only thing they'd get.
Happy oiling.
AlanH.

[SSmith]

Changing the oils is the easy bit except making sure the catch can is in the right place for the engine oil. Whoosh out it comes under pressure......

Also remember to move it as the pressure drops...... distracted by chatty neighbour.... shed floor got very messy last night [emoji107]

[debruiser]

Thanks for the replies!

So I saw someone has a bluetooth OBD thing that linked to their ipad/tablet that they could have gauges running live while driving. Can I do both with the one unit? what unit would I be looking at? Would be handy to have the ability to look at EGTS and all that fun stuff while driving as a bonus.

[jon3950]

The IIDTool does all that. You have to get the Bluetooth version for the Defender anyway as there is no display on the dash as there is in the Disco or Rangie.

Cheers,
Jon

[debruiser]

Your talking about this one here:
IIDTool BT - Gap Diagnostic (https://www.gap-diagnostic.com/shop/iidtool-bt/)

This looks like it'd be great, but that's a fair bit of coin. By the time I get one of those and all the other oils and stuff would I be any better off than paying for a service?

[jon3950]

The IIDTool's value lies in being able to read and diagnose error codes, as well as reading live values. Generic OBD readers can't read the detailed manufacturer's codes.

I'm not sure there's anything you'd actually need it for to perform the service, so it's probably not value for money on a Defender from that point of view.

Coming from a Disco background I sort of got used to having lots of electronics and wanting to have a tool to read and clear faults. What it can do on the Defender is much more limited as its a much less complex vehicle, but if something goes wrong when I'm on the road it may make the difference between getting home and a flat bed.

The added benefits for me are that it can read and clear faults on any modern Land Rover and we have a few in the family. No doubt at some stage I'll be getting another new Land Rover or Jaguar as well so I'll also be able use it on that.

For what it can do, I think it's good value for money. Whether or not that is worth it for you is of course a different question.

Cheers,
Jon

[tact]

The BAS tool supplied by BAS when you buy a tune also reads off error codes, reset errors, and allows live readings to display when linked via bluetooth to something like an ipad or iphone.
(As well as upload a new tune [bigwhistle] )

[jon3950]

The BAS tool supplied by BAS when you buy a tune also reads off error codes, reset errors, and allows live readings to display when linked via bluetooth to something like an ipad or iphone.
(As well as upload a new tune [bigwhistle] )

That's right. The BAS tool is in fact an IIDTool with, I believe, fewer features.

Cheers,
Jon

[debruiser]

So i've been trying to do my 80 000km service today. got the oils done, however the brakes are being a pain! Just found out that i have to activate the abs thing? I'm assuming the IID tool can do that?

Also how to bleed the clutch line? the bleeder is that plastic weird bleed nipple thing? anyone done one that can give me tips?

[SSmith]

So i've been trying to do my 80 000km service today. got the oils done, however the brakes are being a pain! Just found out that i have to activate the abs thing? I'm assuming the IID tool can do that?

Also how to bleed the clutch line? the bleeder is that plastic weird bleed nipple thing? anyone done one that can give me tips?

Yep, plastic nipple pointing up and to the passenger side. Don't forget the dust cap

Get a crappy, cheap, or old 12mm spanner and chop it down to about 60-70mm long - that way you can rotate it the full open/close cycle without it fouling on the wiring in the vicinity.
A pressure bleeder fed through MC if you have one, or the good ole 2 person pedal pumping method works fine.

Good luck!

[debruiser]

Cheers Simon! I'm going to give it a go today if I can get the brakes bled right

[Greg4427]

People may be interested to note that Haynes will be publishing a Land Rover Defender model (Puma) on 29 Sept and you can preorder.

Land Rover Defender Diesel (Feb 07 - 16) 56 to 16 Haynes Repair Manual | Haynes Publishing (https://haynes.com/en-gb/land-rover-defender-diesel-feb-07-16-56-16-haynes-repair-manual)

Hopefully this link will work.