AFL "Scandal"?!

[Pickles2]

What is going on here?
Why have these two men been sacked?
I worked in a big company and this sort of stuff was going on ALL THE TIME, but no-one got sacked.
Do I condone this behaviour?..NO, Do i Like it?...NO, Do I think it's correct?..NO. I don't like anything about it, and I feel sorry for all those involved, particularly the wives & families of the two men.
BUT, no-one forced anyone to do anything, it was all consensual etc etc etc, so I cannot see why these men should be sacked,...ashamed of themselves yes, but sacked, NO.
Pickles.

[Tins]

What is going on here?
Why have these two men been sacked?
I worked in a big company and this sort of stuff was going on ALL THE TIME, but no-one got sacked.
Do I condone this behaviour?..NO, Do i Like it?...NO, Do I think it's correct?..NO. I don't like anything about it, and I feel sorry for all those involved, particularly the wives & families of the two men.
BUT, no-one forced anyone to do anything, it was all consensual etc etc etc, so I cannot see why these men should be sacked,...ashamed of themselves yes, but sacked, NO.
Pickles.

Well, the AFL have set themselves up as some sort of moral guardians, to set examples to the rest of us ( what about the poor kiddies????? ), and this is just another example of it.

I'm with you, Pickles. The role of the AFL is to administer the game of Australian Rules Football, no more, no less.

Remember "Sport's Blackest Day"? Disgraceful politicisation of sport to take the spotlight off the woes of the then PM. The ensuing witch hunt nearly cost James Hird his life. It now appears that the AFL learned nothing from that.

Dunno about you, but if I think that my moral compass is a little off, the last people I would turn to for guidance would be professional sports bodies, such as the AFL.

[Bytemrk]

Dunno about you, but if I think that my moral compass is a little off, the last people I would turn to for guidance would be professional sports bodies, such as the AFL.

Ain't that the truth!

[Eevo]

mountain out of a molehill.

noone cares. everyone going: what are they on about?

[cripesamighty]

And the politically correct, Social Justice Warriors rejoice....idiots....

[Tins]

And the politically correct, Social Justice Warriors rejoice....idiots....

You gotta love all the 'virtue signalling', don'tcha? NOT.

[Mick_Marsh]

It takes two to tango.

I hope the women got sacked too.

[Tins]

It takes two to tango.

I hope the women got sacked too.

Good point. Bet they didn't though.

[Mick_Marsh]

Good point. Bet they didn't though.

Of course not.
It's all about perceptions and not reality. It's spin.
Pandering to the man haters.

Think of all the people in the AFL who haven't been caught.........

.....yet.

[Tins]

Pandering to the man haters.



I deleted that bit from my response. Shouldn't have.

[Ean Austral]

Trial by media. if it was joe average in the street wouldn't raise an eyebrow. Happening everyday in more than 1 work place.


Media has a lot to answer for , and the AFL for crumbling to it.

Funny how 1 of the AFL employee's runs in and sucker punches another player in a local game and they don't sack him. Another couple of employee's gets a sucker of a different sort and they boot em - don't add up to me.


Cheers Ean

[rangieman]

Been away for the weekend and had a great time[biggrin]. Dont know what happened , What ever happened will my life change = No , Will it effect me in any way = No , Do i care = NO[thumbsupbig]

[Vern]

Great post Chris! Stop trolling😊😉

Anyway, i believe in leading by example! Good on them for TRYING to clean it up! Now they just need to work on the fighting and racism to help teach the whole league young and old!

[rangieman]

Great post Chris! Stop trolling😊😉

Anyway, i believe in leading by example! Good on them for TRYING to clean it up! Now they just need to work on the fighting and racism to help teach the whole league young and old!
Nah mate as some one said not too long ago i should practise my people skills [bigwhistle]
I guess practise is not the answer [wink11]

[AndyG]

A rule to live by
' dont screw the crew ' especially senior /junior relationships ends in tears every times.

At least it was boy / girl, call me old fashioned.

If it had been over in the Rugby tent on the over hand [tonguewink]

[Mick_Marsh]

A rule to live by
' dont screw the crew ' especially senior /junior relationships ends in tears every times.
I have worked with many who have had office relationships who, most, have a successful marriage. We spend quite a lot of time interacting with co workers, so, why not? It's understandable.

[vnx205]

Surely those officials were well aware of the standards they are expected to maintain if they work for that organisation.

If they don't like the code of behaviour of the organisation, then they should get a job somewhere else.

[Homestar]

I have worked with many who have had office relationships who, most, have a successful marriage. We spend quite a lot of time interacting with co workers, so, why not? It's understandable.

Yes, I have seen this myself - at an organisation that banned relashinships at work - they kept their relationship a secret until one of them moved to head office, then got married. Still together, lovely couple.

[AndyG]

I think the Amber Harrison / Channel 7 saga is a salutatory tale.
It's one thing for 2 peers to have a relationship, but when the head honcho is nailing the office girl , thats not on

[Pickles2]

I think the Amber Harrison / Channel 7 saga is a salutatory tale.
It's one thing for 2 peers to have a relationship, but when the head honcho is nailing the office girl , thats not on
Yeah, but what happened to the "Head Honcho"?.......Nothing.
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

It's an imbalance of power thing, I think.

[Tins]

I think the Amber Harrison / Channel 7 saga is a salutatory tale.
It's one thing for 2 peers to have a relationship, but when the head honcho is nailing the office girl , thats not on

Who decides who is a "peer"? Is there a department somewhere that judges who is eligible and who isn't? Surely, in this day and age, "consenting adults" is about the only criteria? I haven't heard that anyone was going to gain, say by better employment conditions blahblah by entering into one of these liaisons. Or, perhaps, is the "office girl" not entitled to try it on for advancement?

Way too easy to judge from the sidelines, one way or the other.

I come back to where this started. Who wants the AFL to be their moral champion? Not me.

[Vern]

I would like the afl to be a moral champion! What happens at the top reflects what happens at the bottom! The crap i see go on up here with junior football is appalling, more in particular with coaching and club members towards children of a lower demographic. Its not just people having a fling, its also the rascism and violence

[DiscoMick]

Good thing for people at the top to try to set a better example. Should be more responsible behavior I think.

[Pickles2]

Good thing for people at the top to try to set a better example. Should be more responsible behavior I think.
Nope, we are all the same, morals are morals no matter who you are.
And that was not the focus of my original post, which was WHY did these people lose their jobs?
There was no abuse here, the women were grown women, one was already in a relationship with a well known sportsman. Ch7 man did FAR worse, never lost his job,...like I said, I've seen this stuff going on in the Corporate world for at least 50 years,...No-one got sacked.
The AFL is a joke, with the stuff they let their players get away with, with "HOW MANY" "WARNINGS"?...Yeah right.
Anyone that's worked in the Corporate world would've seen this stuff,.....so what's the difference.
Like I said, I approve of NONE of it, but to be sacked for a consensual situation between mature adults is a joke.
I wonder what would have been the consequence if a well known (and valuable to his team) AFL player had been involved,...would He have been sacked, "lost his job"?...I don't think so.
If this is going to be the norm, there would be literally thousands of males AND females shaking in their shoes!
Pickles.

[Ean Austral]

An old girlfriend once told me "A Stiff D--k has no conscience". As has been proven time and time again , it doesn't matter what role you are in , or how high up the tree you are , the little head does the thinking in all these case's.

As has been said, why isn't the second party to the Stiffy being treated the same. We do after all want equality.

Trial by media - nothing more.

Cheers Ean

[DiscoMick]

The women concerned are 'on leave' I see. No doubt their relationships with their partners are strained. The women were in weaker positions in the power structure. If they had refused the more powerful men's advances they could fear being discriminated against. It happens all the time in business with powerful men taking advantage of their positions compared with those in weaker positions.
The men deserve harsher treatment because they were in senior positions where they held power over those under them in the pecking order. Power has to be used responsibly or it is abuse. They resigned because they had abused their power.
I'm not surprised to see the Daily Ruperts trying to beat up this story - it's the rubbish we expect from those rags.
Good on the AFL leadership for setting a responsible example, I say. It's a pity that Channel Seven didn't also act responsibly.

[Pickles2]

The women concerned are 'on leave' I see. No doubt their relationships with their partners are strained. The women were in weaker positions in the power structure. If they had refused the more powerful men's advances they could fear being discriminated against. It happens all the time in business with powerful men taking advantage of their positions compared with those in weaker positions.
The men deserve harsher treatment because they were in senior positions where they held power over those under them in the pecking order. Power has to be used responsibly or it is abuse. They resigned because they had abused their power.
I'm not surprised to see the Daily Ruperts trying to beat up this story - it's the rubbish we expect from those rags.
Good on the AFL leadership for setting a responsible example, I say. It's a pity that Channel Seven didn't also act responsibly.
Mate, that is simply not true.
Weaker positions...Lol!!!,...if ya've read the story there was no collusion, no "talking into", no nothing like that,.....just simple everyday "socializing", which starts off innocently, one thing leads to another, and.....bingo,...it's on.
And please don't go on about "women", jeez, I've seen women, "do their stuff", same as men do, no difference whatsoever, sometimes worse.
I don't know where you worked Disco, but I worked in a very large organization, and anyone who has, would have seen this stuff.
Like I said, if the star captain of an AFL team was the man, would he be stopped playing?.....Yeah right!
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

I've worked in very large organizations and seen it all.
I guess most blokes have never had to screw the boss to survive and don't realize how often it happens.

[Ean Austral]

I've worked in very large organizations and seen it all.
I guess most blokes have never had to screw the boss to survive and don't realize how often it happens.

Did these women come out and say that's what they were forced to do ? I haven't followed it. That puts a totally different spin on things.


Cheers Ean

[DiscoMick]

I wasn't talking specifically about the AFL women, but it happens.
I remember an older bloke who hired a younger woman to work in a department whose head reported to him. Within a year they were having an affair, until his wife was told and the excrement hit the fan. Not long after the younger woman resigned.
In another case a bloke who was a contractor to a large organization hired a younger personal assistant. Soon after her duties expanded to require regular working late. His wife found out too. The wife divorced him and the younger woman resigned. I heard the two women had some tearful discussions about him. He later went bankrupt and I heard the ATO is still after him for a large sum.
Obviously, some office affairs do work out well, but plenty don't.
In the Channel 7 case the woman is making some big claims against him for failing to deliver on compensation for her losing her job, and I read he is accusing her of breaking a confidentiality agreement. I don't know the truth, but he is backed by a billionaire and she is on her own, so it's certainly lop-sided.

[Ean Austral]

I wasn't talking specifically about the AFL women, but it happens.
I remember an older bloke who hired a younger woman to work in a department whose head reported to him. Within a year they were having an affair, until his wife was told and the excrement hit the fan. Not long after the younger woman resigned.
In another case a bloke who was a contractor to a large organization hired a younger personal assistant. Soon after her duties expanded to require regular working late. His wife found out too. The wife divorced him and the younger woman resigned. I heard the two women had some tearful discussions about him. He later went bankrupt and I heard the ATO is still after him for a large sum.
Obviously, some office affairs do work out well, but plenty don't.
In the Channel 7 case the woman is making some big claims against him for failing to deliver on compensation for her losing her job, and I read he is accusing her of breaking a confidentiality agreement. I don't know the truth, but he is backed by a billionaire and she is on her own, so it's certainly lop-sided.

So in this case , the women haven't come forward with any claims of being pressured/threatened/bullied , and its been public knowledge for a while now , so one would have to assume they were a consenting party to the affair. If that is so , then they should suffer the same fate as the other party - regardless of who was the higher up the tree.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander .

The example's you give are the exact thing I have said all along, those people were not in the public eye and therefore fate dealt the hand it did, not the media. The AFL just crumbled to the media hype.

During my fishing career ,I seen more flings than I care to remember , and I seen both genders playing the aggressor, not just the male.

Cheers Ean

[Tins]

Like I said, if the star captain of an AFL team was the man, would he be stopped playing?.....Yeah right!
Pickles.

A certain former North Melb great comes to mind comes to mind....

[Mick_Marsh]

I wasn't talking specifically about the AFL women, but it happens.
I remember an older bloke who hired a younger woman to work in a department whose head reported to him. Within a year they were having an affair, until his wife was told and the excrement hit the fan. Not long after the younger woman resigned.
In another case a bloke who was a contractor to a large organization hired a younger personal assistant. Soon after her duties expanded to require regular working late. His wife found out too. The wife divorced him and the younger woman resigned. I heard the two women had some tearful discussions about him. He later went bankrupt and I heard the ATO is still after him for a large sum.
I would like to see the news articles/court reports of these examples.
In all my working years in large organisations, I have never seen a senior member of an organization take advantage of a junior member as you describe. I have seen many office relationships but they have all been consensual.

[DiscoMick]

It's rare for a woman to make a formal complaint so you are unlikely to see cases like those reported.

[Pickles2]

C'Mon Disco, stop trying to "Defend the Undefenceable".
You apparently haven't worked in environments where this goes on.
My own daughter "ënlightened" me, many years ago. She used to socialize with her friends at some of the bigger, well known, clubs in Melbourne, and she said the way that women would literally "throw" themselves at football identities was unbelieveable, "shameless" was the term she used I think.
No-one is even attempting, not even the AFL, to place any blame here, they can't because there is none to place, they are simply attempting to be moralistic, whilst at the same time not even giving any sign of placing the same sort of punishment on their players who literally get away with anything, repeatedly,...ya can read it in the media virtually every day,....this is simply moralistic hypocracy at its finest.
And where is the quite correct criticism from the AFL to these women about going out with a man they knew to be married.
I'm all for fairness, but this is so one sided & hypocritical, it's a joke.
Pickles.

[Mick_Marsh]

It's rare for a woman to make a formal complaint so you are unlikely to see cases like those reported.

And where will I find the published statistic for that? I would like to review them. Put them in context.

[DiscoMick]

When did I say that didn't happen? I have seen the women queued up outside football training camps, for example.
However, the AFL and Channel 7 incidents seem to be different.
What is interesting is when men are busting to make excuses for the men - boys will be boys - and blame the women.
The fact is, it's not about gender, it's about power. It's not one-sided - it goes both ways.
When a person (male or female - it does happen) uses that power to coerce those without power to do what they want then it's wrong.
I don't see anyone blaming child sex victims for being abused - it's the abusers who are condemned. Same principle.
Most males just don't understand how many women feel about this, I think.

[DiscoMick]

And where will I find the published statistic for that? I would like to review them. Put them in context.How could there be a published statistic for something which is NOT reported?

[Mick_Marsh]

How could there be a published statistic for something which is NOT reported?
How can we take your statement as true and correct, then?

[Mick_Marsh]

Did these women come out and say that's what they were forced to do ? I haven't followed it. That puts a totally different spin on things.


Cheers Ean
No.

[Pickles2]

When did I say that didn't happen? I have seen the women queued up outside football training camps, for example.
However, the AFL and Channel 7 incidents seem to be different.
What is interesting is when men are busting to make excuses for the men - boys will be boys - and blame the women.
The fact is, it's not about gender, it's about power. It's not one-sided - it goes both ways.
When a person (male or female - it does happen) uses that power to coerce those without power to do what they want then it's wrong.
I don't see anyone blaming child sex victims for being abused - it's the abusers who are condemned. Same principle.
Most males just don't understand how many women feel about this, I think.
"Coerce"?...How did you come up with that?...You'd better read the story, 'çause there was none of that, "everyone" knew about these "äffairs",.... they were socializing openly together, one of the "couples" were running/training together, and you mention "coersion"...I don't think so Disco.
These women knew these men, they weren't innocent little girls, they knew these men were married, so what has been the AFL's response to that?
And, as YOU say quite correctly, "Ït's not one sided-it goes both wäys", and so it should, but not in this case obviously.
Pickles.

[cripesamighty]

As an old friend once told me "Don't screw the crew"....

[DiscoMick]

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[Eevo]

i think i'm having an affair at work
the boss is always trying to screw me over.

[cuppabillytea]

Thank goodness this sort of thing only happens in Victoria.

[DiscoMick]

Workplace romance? One happening at my work right now.

[cuppabillytea]

Workplace romance? One happening at my work right now.

Get a room Mick.