Rebodied Disco 4 Chassis?

[rammypluge]

Is anyone aware of anyone out there doing a rebody conversion on a disco 3/4 chassis?

I am looking at doing a custom car and am doing some research if anything has been done before.

Pic for attention only.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/1010.jpg

[VladTepes]

As far as I know the new vehicle would have to meet the ADR requirements in place at the time the base vehicle was manufactured.

So my immediate question is - how do you fit a custom vehicle with SRS airbags... ?

[loanrangie]

Whack a defender body on it, the vehicle lr should have built.

[rammypluge]

As far as I know the new vehicle would have to meet the ADR requirements in place at the time the base vehicle was manufactured.

So my immediate question is - how do you fit a custom vehicle with SRS airbags... ?If the vehicle were to be engineered one path could be ICV . . .https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/08/1032.jpg

Or if the body fitted already has airbags it might just be a matter of hooking them up in the same way as a std LR airbag (?).

[87County]

hmmm.... re ICV (from the application form)


NOTE: A minimum of one of the major components (frame/chassis or drive train including engine) of the proposed vehicle must be manufactured by a distinctively different manufacturer than the majority of the other components.

I guess you could put a 4BD1/LT95 combo in it :)

[Mick_Marsh]

ICV (Cars & Bikes) (http://www.bonneville.com.au/icv)

[VladTepes]

hmmm.... re ICV (from the application form)


NOTE: A minimum of one of the major components (frame/chassis or drive train including engine) of the proposed vehicle must be manufactured by a distinctively different manufacturer than the majority of the other components.


Well, that's stupid.

(Particularly since there is so much shared componentry between manufacturers).

Is it a TDV6?

The chassis is a Land Rover one mate, but the engine is a Ford engine, as fitted to the Territory....

:)

[p38arover]

An ICV means a vehicle based on a floor pan or chassis which is neither taken from, nor an original replacement part for, a Recognised Production Vehicle.

[rammypluge]

hmmm.... re ICV (from the application form)


NOTE: A minimum of one of the major components (frame/chassis or drive train including engine) of the proposed vehicle must be manufactured by a distinctively different manufacturer than the majority of the other components.

I guess you could put a 4BD1/LT95 combo in it :)I need to turn on my notifications. I didnt see that bit. I guess if you used the chassis and engine drivetrain it would come under a different classification.

How about a 1HDT? A 4BD1 has a lot of appeal though, with an uprated turbo, what auto box would you use?

Sounds like it wouldnt go under icv anyway.

If i used a 3.0L V6 tt, there would be heaps of benefits, and no matter how heavy or light it ended up the airbags would make it sit right. But all the complex electronics(!).

[blackrangie]

It has been done..was one at goodwood this year

[blackrangie]

Here you gohttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/9.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/10.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/11.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/12.jpg

[rammypluge]

Well, there's a job well done. Not what i had in mind for myself, but very interesting and impressive.

I wonder if they found that simply disconnecting the electronics to the transfer case had it still working but without low range actuation or locking? No good for me though.

My thinking is i would either adapt the entire disco wiring into the new body, maybe even adapt parts of the disco dash into it, and the trans shifter, or go with an entirely different drivetrain.

JIA Chieftain Range Rover 2017 review | Autocar (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/jia/chieftain-range-rover/first-drives/jia-chieftain-range-rover-2017-review)

[rammypluge]

There is heaps to like about the 4BD1T, but the NVH turns me off.
Isuzu 4BD1-T - YouTube (https://youtu.be/eiavtjgys8s)


The 1HDT has much better NVH.
Japanese Imported Engines - Toyota 1HDT Engine Running | Rolin Automotive - YouTube (https://youtu.be/SvhbMcOd-EE)


1HDFT seems even better.
Firing up the rebuilt 1HD-FT - YouTube (https://youtu.be/-Hv3CmiWTyU)

[Vern]

The NVH on a 4bd1t is barely worse than a 300tdi!
I did a dB test the other day on mine, 77dB @ 100kph.
Now whilst at that speed i slipped it into neutral, and the dB stayed the same, it was all tyre noise!

The 1hd-fte is a great engine though, plus being a 6 it will run smoother/quieter.
May be a 6bd1t then[emoji6]

[rammypluge]

May be a 6bd1t then[emoji6][emoji1] lol, 560kg?!

[Vern]

[emoji1] lol, 560kg?!No one seems to complain about the guy the put a 6bt in his defender

[loanrangie]

No one seems to complain about the guy the put a 6bt in his defender
The Irish one , would never be allowed here.

[Vern]

The Irish one , would never be allowed here.Why not?
They're fitting them to patrols here

[rammypluge]

Whack a defender body on it, the vehicle lr should have built.With driver controlled front, centre and rear diff locks, or equivalent to jeep's quadra-drive system.

With individual, permanent activation, driver controlled on/off switches for abs, esp, and tc. Or no esp or tc at all, give people advanced driver training instead.

No canbus, and with individual computers to the maximum extent possible, or no computers at all, for the engine, transmission and transfer case.

[rammypluge]

No one seems to complain about the guy the put a 6bt in his defender60kg lighter it seems. Would help.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/13.jpg

[rammypluge]

A cummins ISF 3.8L 4cyl 125kW 600Nm at 1300rpm might be damn nice. Connect up a cummins computer and tweak the power up a bit if you like, post any engineering.

[Vern]

60kg lighter it seems. Would help.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/13.jpgI have the 6bd1t at 1089pd dry weight.

[rammypluge]

Hmm, yota a wee bit lighta . . . only 300kg.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/18.jpg

[loanrangie]

Why not?
They're fitting them to patrols here
They were designed for a big 6, defender's aren't.

[Vern]

But still no reason it can't be done here.

[rammypluge]

Does anyone have an idea on the cost of a Disco 4 with a stuffed body?
Secondhand, without a stuffed body, they seem to start around the $30k mark(?).

And the cost of what is left after a Disco 4 has had the body, engine, gearbox and transfer case removed?

I realise a Disco 3 would be a lot cheaper and more available, but in the first case i would really want the twin turbos, and in the second case i would really want the bigger brakes, unless the brakes can cheaply and easily be upgraded.

The end result will need to have a rear locker, and hopefully somehow a front locker.

[101RRS]

For the D3 ARB have front and rear lockers and for the D4 front locker only.

[rammypluge]

For the D3 ARB have front and rear lockers and for the D4 front locker only.Thanks.

Are e-lockers available?

[rammypluge]

Hmm . . . ?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/09/48.jpg

[blackrangie]

Just wait for next defender seems easier

[rammypluge]

I read they proudly say the next defender will have even MORE electronics!!

But aside from that, my project is quite different to a defender.

[blackrangie]

I read they proudly say the next defender will have even MORE electronics!!

But aside from that, my project is quite different to a defender.Yeah true..to be honest though electronics have come a long long way since the p38 days..Dont get me wrong i love what your doing, go for it! Just saying the fender is not far off [emoji57]

[rammypluge]

Four wheel independent, alloy chassis, designed for expeditions??, if so it will be interesting. Or for posers with low profile tyres only?

I grew up offroading in a rangie but they have lost their way in key areas.

[101RRS]

I grew up offroading in a rangie but they have lost their way in key areas.

When you compare apples with apples, current models are far more capable offroad than they have ever been - the issue whether you are prepared to put up with damaging a very expensive vehicle.

[Disco-tastic]

When you compare apples with apples, current models are far more capable offroad than they have ever been - the issue whether you are prepared to put up with damaging a very expensive vehicle.And they are more complicated and can be more expensive to fix

[rammypluge]

When you compare apples with apples, current models are far more capable offroad than they have ever been - the issue whether you are prepared to put up with damaging a very expensive vehicle.You could take a 2 door rangie offroad without any modifications and it was very capable in all conditions, including deep water, and you were unlikely to damage it.

Take a new unmodified range rover off road and there is quite a decent chance you will pinch or otherwise damage a tyre, gouge a rim, and or rip off a piece of plastic bodywork. If you flood the interior its possibly a write off (?).

[rammypluge]

In the past, with money no object, you would very seriously opt for a rangie for offroading.

Nowadays, money no object, you would not choose a range rover.

[Vern]

I would! Unfortunately money is an object for me.

[rammypluge]

Money no object? How about a Lamborghini Militaria? Or dare i say it without slapping myself, a Mercedes G Wagon extreme thing or a Landcruiser 200 Series? Or a custom build? A range rover with those low profile tyres would be painfully annoying, and you wouldnt be confident you would make it home. No luxury in changing a tyre or having to walk. I am talking about proper offroading, not just an undulating dirt track.

[rammypluge]

Anyway, regarding my justification for a custom build vs a new defender, back in about 1990 i predicted a number of new features of the L322 range rover. In a similar way, aspects of my custom build could be the kind of design land rover take with the defender after the one that will supposedly arrive soon, if they have the courage to raise the bar.

[Vern]

Tyres and wheels can be changed. And yes i still would take it over a 200 series.
Also in what way is what you want to do with a rebody more reliable than a new range rover? I would be just as worried it wouldn't make it home either!

[rammypluge]

Tyres and wheels can be changed. And yes i still would take it over a 200 series.
Also in what way is what you want to do with a rebody more reliable than a new range rover? I would be just as worried it wouldn't make it home either!
Yes, but you cant increase the modern range rovers tyre profile much. I have 285 70 and have still put heaps of dents in the rim edges.

Yeah, i agree a custom build is a massive reliability risk. I am a bit like Koenigsegg, i like to design things and pursue ideas. My custom would/will be the car a lot of guys want, they just dont know it yet.