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Grizzly_Adams
3rd February 2006, 10:29 PM
The RACQ is conducting an online survey here (http://www.racq.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/SID-342D8FD3-63FF8616/racq_cms_production/hs.xsl/Motoring_Road_Safety_Foun_4822_ENA_HTML.htm)

(if the link doesn't work you can get to it from http://www.racq.com.au)

to collect Queenslanders' views on what might improve the State's road toll. The idea is that the RACQ will be taking the information obtained through the Online Survey to the Queensland State Government's Road Safety Summit in late February.

Most probably - left to their own devices – the "solution" the pollies would come up with would be more speed cameras, double demerits and other such junk which have all consistently failed to even maintain the "pre-speed camera" era reduction trend in the road toll.

This is in my view an extremely important topic and a first class opportunity for serious drivers to maybe have an influence, albeit via a motoring organisation. Perhaps even more importantly, to let the motoring organisation appreciate a different viewpoint to that of their run of the mill membership.

They (the RACQ) accepts submissions from members as well as non members, and therefore it is a great opportunity to provide some counter to the "speed-cameras-cure-everything" prevailing mantra, and provide a voice for more and better driver training, better roads, more sensible licensing systems etc.

All motoring enthusiasts should invest the time to send a submission!

abaddonxi
3rd February 2006, 11:16 PM
Had a look through the survey.

The one about identifying plates for convicted drunk drivers seemed sensible - NOT.

One of my pet theories is that Australia is based on a culture of punishment rather than reward. Go figure, penal colony.

Always makes me wonder what would happen if people were rewarded for good driving?

Not many areas of life where the expected result of fear of punishment is better work.

cheers
Simon

VladTepes
4th February 2006, 12:05 PM
Ah yes I see punitive measures feature strongly.

And reintroduction of front number plates on bikes :roll: (as a method of increasing speed detections - it even says so in the question!)


This is what I said:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>The focus needs to be on improving road conditions and driver abilities.

It would be DANGEROUS to simply amplify those things which are currently not working (ie increased speed fines etc) or introducing things which have the appearance of being purely for revenue raising (eg bike front number plates - a proven crash risk).

I am also disturbed by the apparent 'solution' being widely touted as that of increased vehicle technology. While DSC etc may be of benefit (and I am not arguing it shouldnt be fitted to vehicles) it is NOT a replacement for good driver training and quality roads. Consider for a moment a young driver who had driven only DSC fitted vehicles and has no real understanding of vehicle dynamics then gets into a mate's "old fashioned" car (ie not fitted with systems such as DSC) suddenly he finds the car uncontrollable in situations he could previously make major driver errors in that would be corrected by the vehicle. Higher risk of serious accident results!

In summary, a combination of better driver training and better road conditions is the way forward.[/b][/quote]


Now I wonder if anyone will listen ?!

abaddonxi
4th February 2006, 02:57 PM
I thought the page on road fixing good, except that there wasn't a question on the page that you could say no to and not look like a baby-killer.

Was there a single road repair/safety upgrade question that wasn't addressing an obvious need?

Cheers
Simon

George130
4th February 2006, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by abaddonxi
Had a look through the survey.

The one about identifying plates for convicted drunk drivers seemed sensible - NOT.

One of my pet theories is that Australia is based on a culture of punishment rather than reward. Go figure, penal colony.

Always makes me wonder what would happen if people were rewarded for good driving?

Not many areas of life where the expected result of fear of punishment is better work.

cheers
Simon

They used to in Canberra. You would be pulled over by the cops and congratulated on your driving and given a prize and even get on TV or radio.
Most people used think they were be booked at first.

abaddonxi
4th February 2006, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by George130+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(George130)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-abaddonxi
Had a look through the survey.

The one about identifying plates for convicted drunk drivers seemed sensible - NOT.

One of my pet theories is that Australia is based on a culture of punishment rather than reward. Go figure, penal colony.

Always makes me wonder what would happen if people were rewarded for good driving?

Not many areas of life where the expected result of fear of punishment is better work.

cheers
Simon

They used to in Canberra. You would be pulled over by the cops and congratulated on your driving and given a prize and even get on TV or radio.
Most people used think they were be booked at first.[/b][/quote]

That does sound a little


spooky.

Obviously I haven't thought my ideas on rewards through.


Cheers
Simon

Grizzly_Adams
6th February 2006, 12:18 AM
*bump*

Just to make sure people see this and realise it's not just Queenslanders who can enter their opinions.