It's people like us.

[Homestar]

A documentary was released tonight about the use of mobiles while driving. I can't link it here as there are a couple of F bombs in it but Google it - the name of it is the title of this thread - it's on line right now and well worth a watch and to show your family. It is a scourge in out society now and anything we can do to reduce the use of phones while driving should be applauded IMO. It's only 20 minutes, go have a look now.

[Chops]

Busted big time. I'd love to see the police do more of what they did at the start of the film.

[trout1105]

What a bunch of ignorant self privileged Tossers.
They all need a Good Slapping and their phones shoved where the Sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned.

[rangieman]

What a bunch of ignorant self privileged Tossers.
They all need a Good Slapping and their phones shoved where the Sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned.
X2 [thumbsupbig]

[DeeJay]

Hopefully this is the link.

Edit: Link deleted. No posting links to items with foul language. That's why Homestar didn't link it earlier.

[Homestar]

What a bunch of ignorant self privileged Tossers.
They all need a Good Slapping and their phones shoved where the Sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned.

Without question, but at least they were willing to at least be shown how bad they are - just the tip of the iceberg though. Will it change their habits? Don't know, but hopefully.

[trout1105]

This is Not only a problem when driving, There is a real problem with people using their phone 24/7 at work as well especially on Minesites.
I have lost count of the amount of times I have seen people hurt at work because they were Not paying attention as they were texting or checking up on that bloody Facelick on their phones.

[Fatso]

Dont know why phone signal cancelling devices were not fitted to new cars years ago , be good on buss,s and train,s too . [smilebigeye]

[Vern]

Dont know why phone signal cancelling devices were not fitted to new cars years ago , be good on buss,s and train,s too . [smilebigeye]But what part of the phone do they cancel? I use my phone all the time in my car. It sits in it cradle, i bluetooth my music to the stereo, and i answer phone calls as well, all part of running a business. (Except the music part[emoji4])

[Roverlord off road spares]

Dont know why phone signal cancelling devices were not fitted to new cars years ago , be good on buss,s and train,s too . [smilebigeye]

Go to Japan , you'll love it, talking on their phones on public transport is not done, people won't talk on them either, offensive odors like BO are frowned upon, no one annoys you.. Big difference to all the loud mouths we have here that think their conversations are so important that the world wants to hear it also. IN japan they play games or text quietly on the public transport. When they find something funny they politely cover their mouth with their hand. The culture there is be polite and not be obnoxious to others[thumbsupbig]

[Scouse]

It's only 20 minutes, go have a look now.Thanks, I watched it on the way to work this morning. It's OK as I know all the turns & had cruise control on at the time.

[Homestar]

There's one in every crowd...

[p38arover]

There's one in every crowd...
Yair, but there are two of him, Scouse and little Scouse! [bigsad]

[Homestar]

Oh my god, he hasn't cloned himself has he!

[RANDLOVER]

Thanks, I watched it on the way to work this morning. It's OK as I know all the turns & had cruise control on at the time.

Yeah I think I saw you drive past the other way as I was driving in, and I was so shocked, that I dropped my electric shaver in my coffee, which spilt on my newspaper, and then ran into and shorted my 12 volt bread toaster, so ruined my breakfast!

[rick130]

Dont know why phone signal cancelling devices were not fitted to new cars years ago , be good on buss,s and train,s too . [smilebigeye]

Probably because it's ok to use the phone when it's BlueToothed ?

That's when I make most business calls, driving between jobs.

And as Damien said, its a business phone, everything in our business is done through an App. (in this case SimPro Connect)

JSA's, SWMS, all jobs are raised, purchase orders, job notes, hours, everything.

Then I have emailing, texting, all to do with work, and at one point I was averaging 55 calls in and out a day.
And I'm just one cog in a medium/large business.

[Fatso]

Probably because it's ok to use the phone when it's BlueToothed ?

That's when I make most business calls, driving between jobs.

And as Damien said, its a business phone, everything in our business is done through an App. (in this case SimPro Connect)

JSA's, SWMS, all jobs are raised, purchase orders, job notes, hours, everything.

Then I have emailing, texting, all to do with work, and at one point I was averaging 55 calls in and out a day.
And I'm just one cog in a medium/large business.

Well i fail to see how anyone can concentrate on driving when conducting business at the same time wether its blue Toothed or not , just becuase you can does not make it right and especialy not safe imho . How would it be if Pilots , Buss Drivers , Train Drivers etc were all doing stuff on their phones instead of concerntrating on their jobs i dont think the passengers would be too happy .

[trog]

Well i fail to see how anyone can concentrate on driving when conducting business at the same time , just becuase you can does not make it right and especialy not safe imho . How would it be if Pilots , Buss Drivers , Train Drivers etc were all doing stuff on their phones instead of concerntrating on their jobs i dont think the passengers would be too happy .

The way I see it if you are that important don't leave the office , or get someone to do the driving for you.

[Clip]

Phone use while driving is only an issue at the moment. As soon as autonomous vehicles arrive, we'll be fine to use our phones again (I'm just wonder if they'll be able to get me to the Cape via Old Telegraph Rd though?)

[trout1105]

Probably because it's ok to use the phone when it's BlueToothed ?

That's when I make most business calls, driving between jobs.

And as Damien said, its a business phone, everything in our business is done through an App. (in this case SimPro Connect)

JSA's, SWMS, all jobs are raised, purchase orders, job notes, hours, everything.

Then I have emailing, texting, all to do with work, and at one point I was averaging 55 calls in and out a day.
And I'm just one cog in a medium/large business.

Seriously?
Either your Employer needs a kick up the arse or you do.
If your Employer isn't allowing you enough time to complete your paperwork in the office or even at home then He/she is putting you and others in danger unnecessarily.
Not only because you are not concentrating on your driving 100% there is the matter of the JSA's and SWMS's, These are Not just annoying documents that have to be filled out for legal reasons They are important tools to keep Everyone Safe on the job.
A half arsed JSA or SWMS has the potential to kill people just as easily as someone making a half arse attempt at concentrating on his/her driving has.
Bluetoothing text's and emails is something I have yet to see as well.

[scarry]

Probably because it's ok to use the phone when it's BlueToothed ?

That's when I make most business calls, driving between jobs.

And as Damien said, its a business phone, everything in our business is done through an App. (in this case SimPro Connect)

JSA's, SWMS, all jobs are raised, purchase orders, job notes, hours, everything.

Then I have emailing, texting, all to do with work, and at one point I was averaging 55 calls in and out a day.
And I'm just one cog in a medium/large business.

Exactly,i have had mobiles with hands free kits since they came out,around 1991,at a guess.

All our vans have them.

They are for calls only,nothing else while driving.

I usually average 40 + calls a working day.

I couldn't run a business efficiently with out using a phone like this.

Everything the boys do is on their phones,JSA,time sheets,service reports,ordering parts,job photos,notes,etc,etc.

But they are instructed calls only,if needed, while driving,nothing else.

Thats how business in our industry runs....

If we did it another way we wouldn't be in business.

[weeds]

Agree phone and hands free is part of business.....I travel a lot and probably reject majority of calls as even though you're Bluetooth you're not 100% focus on the road. At times I have finished the call and gone **** I'm here already and cannot recall the sections of road I've travelled...mainly when it's a high level intense call which takes a lot of concentration....I now reject these calls.

I know our CFO always asks the person who answers the phone if there driving, if so do they have time to pull over to continue the chat, if not he asks the person to ring back when they are not driving.

[pop058]

Seriously?
Either your Employer needs a kick up the arse or you do.
If your Employer isn't allowing you enough time to complete your paperwork in the office or even at home then He/she is putting you and others in danger unnecessarily.
Not only because you are not concentrating on your driving 100% there is the matter of the JSA's and SWMS's, These are Not just annoying documents that have to be filled out for legal reasons They are important tools to keep Everyone Safe on the job.
A half arsed JSA or SWMS has the potential to kill people just as easily as someone making a half arse attempt at concentrating on his/her driving has.
Bluetoothing text's and emails is something I have yet to see as well.

My read on Rick's post is that only phone calls are done via bluetooth in the car. The phone is used to do the rest of the paperwork but obviously not whilst in motion.

[Homestar]

At our work we can choose to take a call or not while travelling. My phone stays in the back seat so there's no chance of me using it - I can just answer incoming calls on the Bluetooth. I take most calls but if it is going to be a complicated call I'll advise the caller I'll call them when it's safe to do so - a lot of times I can get off a road I'm travelling down and pull over safely in a side street which I do a lot, but if I'm on the freeway or an a country road that has narrow shoulders etc, I'll wait until I'm at my destination and safely stopped before I call them back. Nothing is that important that it can't wait IMO.

I can spend the majority of my day travelling at times, so emails, reports, etc can wait. I don't work at home after hours so anything I don't get done before 5 can wait - I don't care what my Boss thinks or says - he knows my thoughts on it all and thankfully I'm considered important enough to get away with what I do, because they know I'll just walk out if they give me the ****s. I'm in a lucky enough position that they need me more than I need them. :)

[Ranga]

OK, for those who say driving whilst on talking on the phone via hands free is unacceptable, does that also mean stereos, UHF radios, and having conversations with other passengers should also be prohibited?

[scarry]

OK, for those who say driving whilst on talking on the phone via hands free is unacceptable, does that also mean stereos, UHF radios, and having conversations with other passengers should also be prohibited?


And street finders?

They cause a lot of issues,people are trying to work out where they are going,then suddenly cut across three lanes, to duck down a motorway exit,as an example.

Very dangerous.

I see it happening all the time.

[rick130]

Well i fail to see how anyone can concentrate on driving when conducting business at the same time wether its blue Toothed or not , just becuase you can does not make it right and especialy not safe imho . How would it be if Pilots , Buss Drivers , Train Drivers etc were all doing stuff on their phones instead of concerntrating on their jobs i dont think the passengers would be too happy .They do, it's called 'radio' ! [emoji1]

[rick130]

Seriously?
Either your Employer needs a kick up the arse or you do.
If your Employer isn't allowing you enough time to complete your paperwork in the office or even at home then He/she is putting you and others in danger unnecessarily.
Not only because you are not concentrating on your driving 100% there is the matter of the JSA's and SWMS's, These are Not just annoying documents that have to be filled out for legal reasons They are important tools to keep Everyone Safe on the job.
A half arsed JSA or SWMS has the potential to kill people just as easily as someone making a half arse attempt at concentrating on his/her driving has.
Bluetoothing text's and emails is something I have yet to see as well.My comment re JSA's etc pertained to using the phone on site, not while driving. ;)

[rick130]

The way I see it if you are that important don't leave the office , or get someone to do the driving for you.

Oh god, we have close to 40 people in the office now!
I avoid that place of I can!

If I need to do something serious like write quotes up I find a nice cafe, flip out the laptop, hotspot the phone and log in remotely.
That way I don't get disturbed and have decent coffee on tap! [emoji1]

[trog]

That's cool but being on the road all day I have had a gut full of those who can't do anything without a device. Can't seem to navigate without , or calling a friend etc. H ow did the world spin before all these gizmos came into being. Nothing like getting stuck behind some important person taking the call then driving like a drunk instead of passing up the call or letting the passenger deal with it. The phone is the tool , not the operator I hope.

[Homestar]

Oh god, we have close to 40 people in the office now!
I avoid that place of I can!

If I need to do something serious like write quotes up I find a nice cafe, flip out the laptop, hotspot the phone and log in remotely.
That way I don't get disturbed and have decent coffee on tap! [emoji1]

A good coffee shop is the salvation of the Sales Rep. :)

[trout1105]

That's cool but being on the road all day I have had a gut full of those who can't do anything without a device. Can't seem to navigate without , or calling a friend etc. H ow did the world spin before all these gizmos came into being. Nothing like getting stuck behind some important person taking the call then driving like a drunk instead of passing up the call or letting the passenger deal with it. The phone is the tool , not the operator I hope.

+1

[Eevo]

its a culture issue. you could make the penalty for texting while driving loss of licence or instant jail and people would still do it.

[trout1105]

its a culture issue. you could make the penalty for texting while driving loss of licence or instant jail and people would still do it.

Maybe if you cut a finger off each time they did it they might finally get the message [bigwhistle]

[Eevo]

Maybe if you cut a finger off each time they did it they might finally get the message [bigwhistle]


people would still do it.
personally i think loss of licence. will slowly get people off the road

[tuesdayfox]

That's why they build auto pilot car.

It's for those who have to use their cellphone while "driving" (aka. getting somewhere

[tuesdayfox]

Just setup two categories of driving license in the future

A full driving license for those cherish their right to drive.

And a leisure driving license for those who choose to drink, take drugs, use cellphone while driving. These people must drive an autopilot car

[tuesdayfox]

And finally put GPS on each vehicle and electronically limits the speed of these machines. Say max speed 60 in city and 110 in the rest surface of our planet
How about that :D

[Mick_Marsh]

Maybe if you cut a finger off each time they did it they might finally get the message [bigwhistle]
Might take them ten times.

[trog]

And finally put GPS on each vehicle and electronically limits the speed of these machines. Say max speed 60 in city and 110 in the rest surface of our planet
How about that :D

You can get up to 60 in Sydney ! Last I heard it was faster on the roads during the Cobb and co days .

[trout1105]

You can get up to 60 in Sydney ! Last I heard it was faster on the roads during the Cobb and co days .

That May be the case But back then there were only a few Cob and Co coaches and the entire population of Sydney would most likely have all fit into the SCG and NONE of them would be mucking about on their smartphone while riding their horse [bigwhistle]

[cuppabillytea]

Oh my god, he hasn't cloned himself has he!

He has.

[Fatso]

That's cool but being on the road all day I have had a gut full of those who can't do anything without a device. Can't seem to navigate without , or calling a friend etc. H ow did the world spin before all these gizmos came into being. Nothing like getting stuck behind some important person taking the call then driving like a drunk instead of passing up the call or letting the passenger deal with it. The phone is the tool , not the operator I hope.

You mean like this ,
Dearest dad , I am coming home soon to get married so get your check book out ,
I am in love with a boy who lives in Scotland and i live in Australia

We met on a dating website , became friends on Facebook , and had long chats on whatsup .

he proposed to me on Skype and now weve had 2 months relationship on Viber

My beloved dad , i need your blessing , good wishes and a prety big wedding .

Your loving Duaghter .

My Dear Lilly ,

Like wow , realy? , cool!! , Whatever .

I suggest you two get Married on Twitter , have fun on Tango , buy your kids on Amazon , And pay for it all on Paypal .

And when you get fed up with this new Husband , sell him on Ebay .

Love Dad .

[cuppabillytea]

Well i fail to see how anyone can concentrate on driving when conducting business at the same time wether its blue Toothed or not , just becuase you can does not make it right and especialy not safe imho . How would it be if Pilots , Buss Drivers , Train Drivers etc were all doing stuff on their phones instead of concerntrating on their jobs i dont think the passengers would be too happy .

I'm told that many of these people believe that going forth means: Going forth to multiply. [bigwhistle]

[DiscoMick]

Seriously?
Either your Employer needs a kick up the arse or you do.
If your Employer isn't allowing you enough time to complete your paperwork in the office or even at home then He/she is putting you and others in danger unnecessarily.
Not only because you are not concentrating on your driving 100% there is the matter of the JSA's and SWMS's, These are Not just annoying documents that have to be filled out for legal reasons They are important tools to keep Everyone Safe on the job.
A half arsed JSA or SWMS has the potential to kill people just as easily as someone making a half arse attempt at concentrating on his/her driving has.
Bluetoothing text's and emails is something I have yet to see as well.
What paperwork? Do people still do paperwork?

[trout1105]

What paperwork? Do people still do paperwork?

JSA's and SWP's are multipage documents that the people on the job have to read and then sign, Pretty hard to do that over the telephone [bigwhistle]

[vnx205]

Just setup two categories of driving license in the future

A full driving license for those cherish their right to drive.

And a leisure driving license for those who choose to drink, take drugs, use cellphone while driving. These people must drive an autopilot car

Why not?

Aren't there already two classes of licence: one for people who can change gear and people who can't?

[DiscoMick]

JSA's and SWP's are multipage documents that the people on the job have to read and then sign, Pretty hard to do that over the telephone [bigwhistle]
No, just save your signature and paste it into the electronic document. Easy. I did one a week ago.

[RANDLOVER]

And finally put GPS on each vehicle and electronically limits the speed of these machines. Say max speed 60 in city and 110 in the rest surface of our planet
How about that :D

And then Total World Domination will be complete? Much more likely the GPS will be linked to a printer that will spit out a fine every time the limit is exceeded.

[rick130]

JSA's and SWP's are multipage documents that the people on the job have to read and then sign, Pretty hard to do that over the telephone [bigwhistle]

err, no, I do all that on the phone, including getting the client to sign the completed job form. ;)

[rick130]

No, just save your signature and paste it into the electronic document. Easy. I did one a week ago.

Not even that complicated Mick, we sign the screen, the client does the same.

Either Android or iPhone.
Easy Peasy.

Our entire business of 100 people plus subbies, mechanical construction and facilities maintenance, multi-million dollar installations and small business HVAC/refrigeration/plumbing/electrical is conducted through one computer program/app across all devices, office, fab shop, service vehicles and field.

[rick130]

Anyway, the original post was about people texting while driving which we all acknowledge is a hell of a distraction and dangerous, and it somehow morphed into anyone talking on phone using Bluetooth was some kind of moral criminal.
As good old Charlie Brown would say, "good grief..."

[rick130]

A good coffee shop is the salvation of the Sales Rep. :)

And us Techs that like good coffee !

[p38arover]

Just don't come to our local roaster and take up all the tables!

[Homestar]

Just don't come to our local roaster and take up all the tables!

Bit far for me mate, I'm on a first name basis with our local Roaster. Only 3 minutes from home. ;)

[p38arover]

Bit far for me mate, I'm on a first name basis with our local Roaster. Only 3 minutes from home. ;)

Us, too.

[cuppabillytea]

We are as well. ( Pleas note correct gramma and spelling and mark accordingly.) A Triple Shot Long Black would be nice, in lieu of a Gold Star, thanks.

[trog]

Do s that mean you have their logos on your cycling Lycra ?

[3toes]

And then Total World Domination will be complete? Much more likely the GPS will be linked to a printer that will spit out a fine every time the limit is exceeded.
Is almost here. The European / Chinese Galileo GPS system that is currently under development has this function built in. idea is that these systems cost a lot to develop and the USA one is free to use so need to find a way to recover some of the cost of this project. How better than to use it to both charge per mile driven and to fine drivers for speeding. While the initial idea is just for Europe as the satellites do not recognise national borders you can see where this will go. Trials have shown that both work well unless you are in a built up area with high rise buildings. The developers are working on solving this at the moment. If you were to suggest it am sure they could add in some functionality to also identify when someone is texting while driving

[pop058]

Is almost here. The European / Chinese Galileo GPS system that is currently under development has this function built in. idea is that these systems cost a lot to develop and the USA one is free to use so need to find a way to recover some of the cost of this project. How better than to use it to both charge per mile driven and to fine drivers for speeding. While the initial idea is just for Europe as the satellites do not recognise national borders you can see where this will go. Trials have shown that both work well unless you are in a built up area with high rise buildings. The developers are working on solving this at the moment. If you were to suggest it am sure they could add in some functionality to also identify when someone is texting while driving

Maybe when the driver is detected texted a set of warning lights come on. You could fit them under the headlights on the front and make them really bright so everyone can see you. [bigwhistle]

[cuppabillytea]

Google already knows how fast you are going, unless you're so remote it doesn't matter.

[trog]

Google is useless. A recent industrial fire was erroneously said to be a company I have dealings with. In fact it has been totally separated in title , trading name and ownership for two years . So if details such as this aren't updated for the user what else on the system is wrong or out of date ?

[donh54]

Txting whilst driving should result in the phone being crushed on the spot. Issue the cops with a device similar to the can crushers, and let 'em rip!

[weeds]

JSA's and SWP's are multipage documents that the people on the job have to read and then sign, Pretty hard to do that over the telephone [bigwhistle]

I think the whole JRA/SWMS//SOP is in need of an overhaul......it's just an administrative process everybody does.

They the man at the top as once somebody has signed he is pretty much protected, I cannot remember the last time I saw somebody take the time to 100% read a document. They get the ****s with me when I say you could have read that document that quick.

In most big business it's all round a safer place the work, it difficult to do any safe act and by default we generally approach the task safely. But when you have humans involved accidents are going to happen.

I work for a mining company, go onsite at visit road infrastructure jobs, onsite at coal seam gas operations, warehouse facilities, logistics........and the whole system is just an administrative exercise......the mines inspector wasn't happy with my input to a discussion, he even rang the ops manager on his way out the gate, didn't have the balls to have a chat with me to clear up my views,he had plenty of opportunity over lunch

[trout1105]

I think the whole JRA/SWMS//SOP is in need of an overhaul......it's just an administrative process everybody does.

I agree that for many signing on to JSA's, SWP's etc. is a load of bollocks and a PITA But in reality they are a bloody good tool for making people aware of the inherent risks that they can face doing any particular task.
Safety has come a LONG way since I first stepped onto a Minesite in the late 70's But people Still end up getting maimed and killed on the job, Personally I think that moving from 8 hr shifts to 12 hr shifts has a lot to do with this But that is just my own opinion.

[rick130]

Personally I think that moving from 8 hr shifts to 12 hr shifts has a lot to do with this But that is just my own opinion.

I've never worked in the mining industry but having lived in the Upper Hunter for fifteen years and having neighbour's, friends, etc all working in the mines, seeing the toll 12 hour rolling shifts take and having a friend fall asleep on the way home from his shift and drive under a semi I'm probably a little biased but wholeheartedly agree.

[cuppabillytea]

12 Hour shifts where constant work is carried out should be outlawed. My shifts are 12 Hour but a lot of that time is spent on stand by, unless we have a lot to do in that period, a factor which is not determined by us or our Employer.
We seem to be able to do the work as if we were completely fresh even though we might feel fatigued before and after a job. This also applies to driving home. In the 13 Years I've been doing this job I have had no occasion when I felt I might doze off at the wheel. I might sit in a chair in the wheel house and doze but the call to action sees me bright as a button. (Well, for me anyway.) However, if the work was constant for the entire swing (7 Days night shift 7 Days day shift.) I would be as useless as a Chocolate Teapot. It doesn't bare thinking about. Swings are 14 Days on 7 days off 14 days on 14 Days off.
I never text whilst driving. I refuse to even look at an incoming text, unless I think it might be urgent, in which case I pull over to read it. Phone is on Blue Tooth in the car but I think that is too much of a distraction also and keep calls to a minimum.

[Tombie]

Go to Japan , you'll love it, talking on their phones on public transport is not done, people won't talk on them either, offensive odors like BO are frowned upon, no one annoys you.. Big difference to all the loud mouths we have here that think their conversations are so important that the world wants to hear it also. IN japan they play games or text quietly on the public transport. When they find something funny they politely cover their mouth with their hand. The culture there is be polite and not be obnoxious to others[thumbsupbig]

Would this be the very culture which has women's only carriages because the men were feeling them up inappropriately in crowded trains?

In some ways they are very polite and in others extremely inappropriate or perverse!

[Tombie]

And finally put GPS on each vehicle and electronically limits the speed of these machines. Say max speed 60 in city and 110 in the rest surface of our planet
How about that :D

How about NO for an answer.....

How about we make speed limits reasonable, sensible and reduce fatigue rather than induce it...

[Tombie]

12 Hour shifts where constant work is carried out should be outlawed. My shifts are 12 Hour but a lot of that time is spent on stand by, unless we have a lot to do in that period, a factor which is not determined by us or our Employer.
We seem to be able to do the work as if we were completely fresh even though we might feel fatigued before and after a job. This also applies to driving home. In the 13 Years I've been doing this job I have had no occasion when I felt I might doze off at the wheel. I might sit in a chair in the wheel house and doze but the call to action sees me bright as a button. (Well, for me anyway.) However, if the work was constant for the entire swing (7 Days night shift 7 Days day shift.) I would be as useless as a Chocolate Teapot. It doesn't bare thinking about. Swings are 14 Days on 7 days off 14 days on 14 Days off.
I never text whilst driving. I refuse to even look at an incoming text, unless I think it might be urgent, in which case I pull over to read it. Phone is on Blue Tooth in the car but I think that is too much of a distraction also and keep calls to a minimum.

12 hour shifts.... luxury When you're staff on 7.6 and you're on-site at 06:00 and heading home a bit after 21:30 each day then you know you've done a days work.. and that's with a 55 km drive each way for good measure... And a spare minute or 5 is considered blissful... I've spent the last 7 1/2 hours in gale winds and flying dust on a mining construction project, we should be commence commissioning in about 2 weeks and I have Iso Permits, JSEAs, WIs, SSOWs, Confined Space Rescue Plans, Tagging and training to produce before the plant can be energised.

Luckily, I dont feel the fatigue after a good sleep... [smilebigeye][bigsmile1]


Back on topic, I've mastered the art of texting whilst driving - I do it all the time - [B]via BT and Siri [bigrolf]

[Tombie]

Safety has come a LONG way since I first stepped onto a Minesite in the late 70's But people Still end up getting maimed and killed on the job, Personally I think that moving from 8 hr shifts to 12 hr shifts has a lot to do with this But that is just my own opinion.

Most of it is because we have dumbed society down to the point you don't need to think anymore.

Common sense has long become extinct...

Most injuries and deaths on the job are now the product of direct stupidity on the part of an individual or failure to be self aware and assess.

[trout1105]

Most of it is because we have dumbed society down to the point you don't need to think anymore.

Common sense has long become extinct...

Most injuries and deaths on the job are now the product of direct stupidity on the part of an individual or failure to be self aware and assess.

Luckily for the new chums there are still a few of us old farts around to slap some common sense into them [bigrolf][bigwhistle]

[cuppabillytea]

12 hour shifts.... luxury When you're staff on 7.6 and you're on-site at 06:00 and heading home a bit after 21:30 each day then you know you've done a days work.. and that's with a 55 km drive each way for good measure... And a spare minute or 5 is considered blissful... I've spent the last 7 1/2 hours in gale winds and flying dust on a mining construction project, we should be commence commissioning in about 2 weeks and I have Iso Permits, JSEAs, WIs, SSOWs, Confined Space Rescue Plans, Tagging and training to produce before the plant can be energised.

Luckily, I dont feel the fatigue after a good sleep... [smilebigeye][bigsmile1]


Back on topic, I've mastered the art of texting whilst driving - I do it all the time - [B]via BT and Siri [bigrolf]

I'm well aware that you are a power house at work[thumbsupbig] and that your hours are long and arduous. The Key for you is sleep and just as importantly sleep in the correct hours.
I wasn't having a moan by the way. I wouldn't change my job for any thing. I was trying to be objective and highlight the dangers 12 hour shifts. Going hard at the face with a drill or hammer for 12 Hours has to cause fatigue. Throw in sleep time hours of daylight and other anomalies and you come up with a recipe for poor health.
I'm an HSR at work as well, so I have to deal with a lot of the other crap as well.

Back in topic, Congratulations on working well with Siri. She doesn't fancy me at all.[bigsad]

[Tombie]

Took a while to train Siri... but it can be done (seriously)..

At work I enforce serious limits on my crews; anyone working 12+ must ride a company bus to site and back OR we ring a transport company to come get them.

And whilst I expect work from my team, I ensure they get regular breaks; more so in hot or arduous conditions... and reward them for their approach when fit..

Sadly, Staff aren’t subject to such niceties and I work the hours needed to ensure operational security... (even when it means 30 min kip on the side of the road)

[V8Ian]

men were feeling them up inappropriately in crowded trains?

There's an appropriate way to touch women up in a train? Tell me more.[bigwhistle]

[tuesdayfox]

How about NO for an answer.....

How about we make speed limits reasonable, sensible and reduce fatigue rather than induce it...Plenty of robots will say YES
I guess that's the problem in the future

[DiscoMick]

Would this be the very culture which has women's only carriages because the men were feeling them up inappropriately in crowded trains?

In some ways they are very polite and in others extremely inappropriate or perverse!Last time I got on a train in Tokyo a big sign said it was a silent space - no talking. Great idea I thought.

[Saitch]

a big sign said it was a silent space - no talking. .

Huh??????????????

[Grahame Roberts]

Some Americanisations creeping in?


You mean like this ,
Dearest dad , I am coming home soon to get married so get your check book out ,
I am in love with a boy who lives in Scotland and i live in Australia

We met on a dating website , became friends on Facebook , and had long chats on whatsup .

he proposed to me on Skype and now weve had 2 months relationship on Viber

My beloved dad , i need your blessing , good wishes and a prety big wedding .

Your loving Duaghter .

My Dear Lilly ,

Like wow , realy? , cool!! , Whatever .

I suggest you two get Married on Twitter , have fun on Tango , buy your kids on Amazon , And pay for it all on Paypal .

And when you get fed up with this new Husband , sell him on Ebay .

Love Dad .

[trog]

Yep check , as in checks and balances.