Mass video surveillance to change Australia

[bob10]

It had to come.

Mass video surveillance about to change Australia forever (http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/10/15/facial-recognition-video-surveillance/?utm_source=Responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20171016_TND)

[trout1105]

Personally I think this is a Good thing [thumbsupbig]

[stealth]

It had to come.

Mass video surveillance about to change Australia forever (http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2017/10/15/facial-recognition-video-surveillance/?utm_source=Responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20171016_TND)

Wonder what Mox will think!

[bob10]

Everyones free to have an opinion. But it could be interesting, yes.

[Bigbjorn]

A judge in one of the USA southern states was well known for refusing to convict anyone brought before his court on charges of having and using a police radar detector or jammer. His rationale was this " If a government in a democracy chooses to indulge in covert surveillance of the citizens then it should not be surprised when the citizens take steps to be aware of such surveillance and to confuse or confound such surveillance."

[tact]

A judge in one of the USA southern states was well known for refusing to convict anyone brought before his court on charges of having and using a police radar detector or jammer. His rationale was this " If a government in a democracy chooses to indulge in covert surveillance of the citizens then it should not be surprised when the citizens take steps to be aware of such surveillance and to confuse or confound such surveillance."

Hyperface and CV Dazzle may well be the facial recognition equivalent to radar scanners/jammers. I suppose lower tech equivalents like simply wearing a mask, or wearing something similar to face/head coverings worn by some religious devotees, in public would work as well. Maybe even the good old fashioned wide brimmed bushies' hat with dangling corks would also work...

Will we someday see the wearing of bushies' corked hats, burkas, kiddy face painting, or fun masks in public illegal? "Confounding facial recognition systems"

[Classic88]

This was quoted by someone in another thread but it seems appropriate here: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin.

[Tombie]

This was quoted by someone in another thread but it seems appropriate here: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin.

Until one of your family is attacked or worse, and they can’t locate the culprit.

Then views Shift [emoji41]

[trout1105]

This was quoted by someone in another thread but it seems appropriate here: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Benjamin Franklin.

So in your view it is a loss of liberty allowing people to take images and vid's on their phones in a public place.[bigwhistle]
As the crims and the lunatic fringe is getting smarter and tech savvy there is nothing wrong with the coppers getting smarter and also using a bit of tech to combat this.
Many airports, homes and businesses have had cctv for years now so there is Nothing new about this.

[Classic88]

Until one of your family is attacked or worse, and they can’t locate the culprit.

Then views Shift [emoji41]

Actually a good friend of mine was killed in the 7/7 tube bombings and it didn't change my views on civil liberties at all. It changed my views on religion which I find abhorrent because of the intolerance it causes. However I will still respect anyone's right to practice their own religion because otherwise I would be being intolerant.

[Tombie]

Are you saying then, that if cameras in public areas had been able to identify those involved in the execution of the attack, and avert it, you would still be against them?

Or is it more from a fear of what other uses it could be put to?

[Classic88]

Are you saying then, that if cameras in public areas had been able to identify those involved in the execution of the attack, and avert it, you would still be against them?

Or is it more from a fear of what other uses it could be put to?

The UK has more CCTV cameras than anywhere else in the world. They did nothing to prevent the attack. Electronic surveillance isn't a substitute for community policing and intelligence work.

And yes, I would still be against them because we all shouldn't be treated as suspects which is what these systems imply.

[Eevo]

Until one of your family is attacked or worse, and they can’t locate the culprit.

Then views Shift [emoji41]

cameras do nothing to prevent an attack.
prevention is more important than "justice"

[VladTepes]

cameras do nothing to prevent an attack.


Terrorist attack? No they don't.

Crime - they do seem to have a deterrent effect.
Ipswich in QLD installed an extensive public CCTV network and street crime rates (in the covered areas) did fall.
It also allowed rapid police response to violent incidents which may otherwise have ended much worse.

[Eevo]

Terrorist attack? No they don't.

Crime - they do seem to have a deterrent effect.
Ipswich in QLD installed an extensive public CCTV network and street crime rates (in the covered areas) did fall.
It also allowed rapid police response to violent incidents which may otherwise have ended much worse.


it didnt fall, it just went somewhere else and wasnt observable.

[cripesamighty]

Yep, that's exactly what happened in the UK.

[Tombie]

But this system isn’t just surveillance- it’s scanning... just like Safety Cameras, it essentially ignores everything it sees until such time as a face (of an already flagged individual) is recognised.

I agree it’s a fine balance between freedoms and security- however, innocent people have nothing to hide (usually) [emoji6] and therefore go essentially ignored as noise in the system.

I can see the good and bad in the concept...

[Classic88]

There are already hints that facial recognition is racially-biased: Facial-Recognition Software Might Have a Racial Bias Problem - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/the-underlying-bias-of-facial-recognition-systems/476991/)

Other systems are being developed to spot who 'looks' like a criminal: A New Program Judges If You’re a Criminal From Your Facial Features - Motherboard (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d7ykmw/new-program-decides-criminality-from-facial-features)

And China is working on facial-recognition AI which supposedly can predict if someone if likely to commit a crime: China is using AI to predict who will commit crime next (http://mashable.com/2017/07/24/china-ai-crime-minority-report/)

It can also be used to identify whether someone is gay or straight apparently: AI can tell if people are gay or straight with one photo of their face (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/09/08/ai-can-tell-people-gay-straight-one-photo-face/)

But of course authorities with access to powerful technology have never abused that power.

[Eevo]

But this system isn’t just surveillance- it’s scanning... just like Safety Cameras, it essentially ignores everything it sees until such time as a face (of an already flagged individual) is recognised.


I know your not naive enough to believe that.



I agree it’s a fine balance between freedoms and security- however, innocent people have nothing to hide (usually) [emoji6] and therefore go essentially ignored as noise in the system.

everyone has something to hide.
We have privacy for a reason.



I can see the good and bad in the concept...

technology used correctly and with thought always has potential.
technology can also be abused.

[trout1105]

The Civil Libertarians will throw their usual "Hissy Fit" about this because they will perceive that it is infringing on their privacy.
If they are installed in a public place then there isn't any "Privacy" anyway [bigwhistle]

[Tombie]

I know your not naive enough to believe that.


everyone has something to hide.
We have privacy for a reason.



technology used correctly and with thought always has potential.
technology can also be abused.

Not naive at all [emoji41]

Nope, I have nothing I need to hide when it comes to the law or activities.

Absolutely, but short of knowing I like to walk along the beach on Tuesday evenings, Play hockey on thursdays etc this technology tracks us no more or less than our phones/credit cards etc... and only observes public spaces (where there is no expectation of privacy).

[Tombie]

There are already hints that facial recognition is racially-biased: Facial-Recognition Software Might Have a Racial Bias Problem - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/the-underlying-bias-of-facial-recognition-systems/476991/)

Other systems are being developed to spot who 'looks' like a criminal: A New Program Judges If You’re a Criminal From Your Facial Features - Motherboard (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d7ykmw/new-program-decides-criminality-from-facial-features)

And China is working on facial-recognition AI which supposedly can predict if someone if likely to commit a crime: China is using AI to predict who will commit crime next (http://mashable.com/2017/07/24/china-ai-crime-minority-report/)

It can also be used to identify whether someone is gay or straight apparently: AI can tell if people are gay or straight with one photo of their face (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/09/08/ai-can-tell-people-gay-straight-one-photo-face/)

But of course authorities with access to powerful technology have never abused that power.

And so they watch you because you look “interesting”...
Unless they then infringe upon you carrying out your life (legally) then what’s the outcome you’re expecting? Sure, if they then greet you on a train with guns drawn that’s a problem..

But otherwise, if they think I’m a candidate then good luck to them, they’ll be sadly disappointed.

And if they want to work out if I’m straight or not - what purpose that could have? Then half their luck...

[Classic88]

And so they watch you because you look “interesting”...
Unless they then infringe upon you carrying out your life (legally) then what’s the outcome you’re expecting? Sure, if they then greet you on a train with guns drawn that’s a problem..

But otherwise, if they think I’m a candidate then good luck to them, they’ll be sadly disappointed.

And if they want to work out if I’m straight or not - what purpose that could have? Then half their luck...

Being greeted on a train by officers with their guns drawn due to 'looking like a criminal' didn't go too well for this guy sadly: Death of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes)

[Eevo]

The Civil Libertarians will throw their usual "Hissy Fit" about this because they will perceive that it is infringing on their privacy.
If they are installed in a public place then there isn't any "Privacy" anyway [bigwhistle]

so you were quite happy for germany jews to wear the star of david on their coats?

they have done nothing wrong, so they have nothing to hide right?

[Eevo]

Not naive at all [emoji41]
I know your not, and thats why im surprised.




Absolutely, but short of knowing I like to walk along the beach on Tuesday evenings, Play hockey on thursdays etc this technology tracks us no more or less than our phones/credit cards etc... and only observes public spaces (where there is no expectation of privacy).

the difference is we choose to sign up for phones/credit cards and can decline the terms and conditions if we dont like it.


there is the expectation of some privacy in public space. why else do they make me cover my privates in public?

[trout1105]

so you were quite happy for germany jews to wear the star of david on their coats?

they have done nothing wrong, so they have nothing to hide right?

What on earth has installing CCTV in public places got to do with the Holocaust.


there is the expectation of some privacy in public space. why else do they make me cover my privates in public?

Because it is a "Public" place and it would cause offense.
You can walk around naked in your own house because that is a private residence/place, A public place is Just that "Public" and not a Private area so you will just have to cover your tackle up when in a public area [thumbsupbig] .

[Tombie]

Being greeted on a train by officers with their guns drawn due to 'looking like a criminal' didn't go too well for this guy sadly: Death of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes)

Incompetence at Identification / Confirmation of a suspect is hardly the same thing here...

You’re attempt to skew it away from the topic at hand is noted. [emoji12]

Facial recognition, had it been in play, may very well have resulted in Jean being correctly identified and not having been followed at all.

And may have also enabled accurate location of the bombers...

[emoji848]

[Eevo]

What on earth has installing CCTV in public places got to do with the Holocaust..

if you cant see the connection, i think we're done here...
wrong is not determined by you.

[trout1105]

if you cant see the connection, i think we're done here...
wrong is not determined by you.

I didn't say I was right and you were wrong, I was just curious as to why that "Red Herring" was introduced into this discussion.
CCTV and facial recognition software has absolutely Nothing to do with racial profiling as you were alluding to whatsoever.

[Eevo]

I didn't say I was right and you were wrong, I was just curious as to why that "Red Herring" was introduced into this discussion.
CCTV and facial recognition software has absolutely Nothing to do with racial profiling as you were alluding to whatsoever.

no no. not what i mean.

the quote is: "if you have done nothing wrong..."
wrong is not determined by the individual.
its determined by the authorities and the individual has no say in this.
the jews had done nothing wrong, but "wrong" was determined by the govt, not the individual.


I wasnt alluding to racial profiling, even if it is effective.

[Classic88]

Incompetence at Identification / Confirmation of a suspect is hardly the same thing here...

You’re attempt to skew it away from the topic at hand is noted. [emoji12]

Facial recognition, had it been in play, may very well have resulted in Jean being correctly identified and not having been followed at all.

And may have also enabled accurate location of the bombers...

[emoji848]

Not trying to skew it at all. I just wouldn't trust a computer or an AI to make the right call more accurately than a copper.

Governments forget that they are supposed to be watched by, and held accountable to, us, not the other way round.

[trout1105]

no no. not what i mean.

the quote is: "if you have done nothing wrong..."
wrong is not determined by the individual.
its determined by the authorities and the individual has no say in this.
the jews had done nothing wrong, but "wrong" was determined by the govt, not the individual.


I wasnt alluding to racial profiling, even if it is effective.

In Most civilised countries people live by the rule of law which is determined by a government that is elected by the people So in reality the individual Does have a say in what is right and what is wrong by using their Vote to determine who governs and implements the laws of the land.
What happened in Germany was appalling But the German people voted to put Hitler in power in the first place.

[Tombie]

Not trying to skew it at all. I just wouldn't trust a computer or an AI to make the right call more accurately than a copper.

Governments forget that they are supposed to be watched by, and held accountable to, us, not the other way round.

Yet AI is more accurate, and to use a portion of your link “doesn’t need to pee” leading to an incorrect identification.

So the AI monitors, it doesn’t pull the trigger, just flags potential persons, whereby a human (Copper in your example) then is required to verify.

Right down to the last second before somebody pulls a trigger a human has a decision, not a camera that says “this person has the facial features of a person of interest”.

Yes; governments are accountable to “us”, having been charged with protecting the majority (in a democracy there will always be those unhappy with the choice - also known as a minority).

The majority expect to be safe, wherever, whenever, and expect their government to act accordingly. Not by restricting movement; but by less intrusive (hmm) methods that don’t appear to impact upon their lives.

A prime example I can think of....
IF (IF) it was done ethically, securely, positively, and with restriction on use... then I see no issue with DNA registering all persons at birth...

Imagine a rape case where the rapist is identified by DNA in hours.
Imagine a mugging, where the mugger is identified quickly and accurately.

Where it can go wrong - is when the data is used for malicious intent... it’s a very fine line for sure and a slippery slope...

[Eevo]

In Most civilised countries people live by the rule of law which is determined by a government that is elected by the people So in reality the individual Does have a say in what is right and what is wrong by using their Vote to determine who governs and implements the laws of the land.
What happened in Germany was appalling But the German people voted to put Hitler in power in the first place.
hows that working out for the same sex marriage individuals?

i struggle to see a reason for the govts need for mass surveillance other than control.

[Eevo]

A prime example I can think of....
IF (IF) it was done ethically, securely, positively, and with restriction on use... then I see no issue with DNA registering all persons at birth...

Imagine a rape case where the rapist is identified by DNA in hours.
Imagine a mugging, where the mugger is identified quickly and accurately.

Where it can go wrong - is when the data is used for malicious intent... it’s a very fine line for sure and a slippery slope...


and how would the govt keep my dna safe?
who's accountable when my dns is stolen from the govt and used to frame me? dont laugh, its happened before.

i cant trust the govt to keep the lights on, let alone keep my data safe.

[Classic88]

Yet AI is more accurate, and to use a portion of your link “doesn’t need to pee” leading to an incorrect identification.

So the AI monitors, it doesn’t pull the trigger, just flags potential persons, whereby a human (Copper in your example) then is required to verify.

Right down to the last second before somebody pulls a trigger a human has a decision, not a camera that says “this person has the facial features of a person of interest”.

Yes; governments are accountable to “us”, having been charged with protecting the majority (in a democracy there will always be those unhappy with the choice - also known as a minority).

The majority expect to be safe, wherever, whenever, and expect their government to act accordingly. Not by restricting movement; but by less intrusive (hmm) methods that don’t appear to impact upon their lives.

A prime example I can think of....
IF (IF) it was done ethically, securely, positively, and with restriction on use... then I see no issue with DNA registering all persons at birth...

Imagine a rape case where the rapist is identified by DNA in hours.
Imagine a mugging, where the mugger is identified quickly and accurately.

Where it can go wrong - is when the data is used for malicious intent... it’s a very fine line for sure and a slippery slope...

Dead right it's a slippery slope. If the US had a DNA database would you trust Trump not to use it to identify and expelled people of Mexican origin, claiming that their ancestors came here illegally even if they themselves were legal citizens?

Or the government to sell it to health insurers so they could see if you were at greater risk of a serious illness and jack up your premiums even though you are healthy?

[Tombie]

and how would the govt keep my dna safe?
who's accountable when my dns is stolen from the govt and used to frame me? dont laugh, its happened before.

i cant trust the govt to keep the lights on, let alone keep my data safe.

Your DNA is hardly safe [emoji6]

Can be collected without issue, and the system only needs the data to be effective, to set you up someone would be committed to synthesising DNA, and planting it...

Agree completely that security is paramount in this context...

But imagine the number of solved crimes vs unsolved... consider the potential reduction in violent crimes as the perpetrator can be identified quickly...

Nobody (even remotely sensible) commits a crime when they can be identified and found quickly.. they commit crimes where they expect to get away with it..

What would have to be weighed up by the people is whether or not they were willing to take the risk with the data being on file.

[trout1105]

Your DNA is hardly safe [emoji6]

Can be collected without issue, and the system only needs the data to be effective, to set you up someone would be committed to synthesising DNA, and planting it...

Agree completely that security is paramount in this context...

But imagine the number of solved crimes vs unsolved... consider the potential reduction in violent crimes as the perpetrator can be identified quickly...

Nobody (even remotely sensible) commits a crime when they can be identified and found quickly.. they commit crimes where they expect to get away with it..

What would have to be weighed up by the people is whether or not they were willing to take the risk with the data being on file.

You cannot make an omelette without first breaking a few eggs [bigwhistle][thumbsupbig]

[Eevo]

In Most civilised countries people live by the rule of law which is determined by a government that is elected by the people So in reality the individual Does have a say in what is right and what is wrong by using their Vote to determine who governs and implements the laws of the land.
What happened in Germany was appalling But the German people voted to put Hitler in power in the first place.

i'll need to check the history books but i think the jews lost their right to vote too.

[Eevo]

But imagine the number of solved crimes vs unsolved...

and the number of innocent people who got put in jail who were release later after dna evidence was found to be wrong.

[Tombie]

Or the government to sell it to health insurers so they could see if you were at greater risk of a serious illness and jack up your premiums even though you are healthy?

Trump could attempt to mandate that anyway (place of birth is on certificates after all, and green cards)...

[Trump... the Reductio ad Hitlerum of modern discussion]

Who did you last show your drivers licence to?
(If the answer is a Police Officer go back to the time before that)...

Did you use it to prove who you are? At say a bank? Or a pub?

If so you misused your Drivers Licence- curious we allow such a breach [emoji6]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/428.jpg

[Tombie]

and the number of innocent people who got put in jail who were release later after dna evidence was found to be wrong.

Yep... and the system statistically works [emoji6]

Innocent people have been incarcerated since the beginning of time, whilst many guilty people remain free..

What’s your solution? Anarchy? If so, no more discussion into the Gun debate should be entered into...

At that time “Tribal” law comes into play; society fractures into groups of like minded individuals and fighting between factions takes place.. hmmm Suni and Shai anyone? Perhaps Northern Ireland vs.... well, you get the picture.

Or the “Wild West” - there were Sheriffs, who kept the peace at gun point... but a duel/shoot out wasn’t illegal if “justified”....

A system of law and governance or Anarchy...
Perhaps a more sensible approach is to declare a continent (don’t ask me which one) an Anarchy zone.. those who think they can relate can all go there... oh, nope, that is segregation and we can’t have that... [emoji41][emoji6][emoji48]

[Classic88]

Yet AI is more accurate, and to use a portion of your link “doesn’t need to pee” leading to an incorrect identification.

So the AI monitors, it doesn’t pull the trigger, just flags potential persons, whereby a human (Copper in your example) then is required to verify.

Right down to the last second before somebody pulls a trigger a human has a decision, not a camera that says “this person has the facial features of a person of interest”.

Yes; governments are accountable to “us”, having been charged with protecting the majority (in a democracy there will always be those unhappy with the choice - also known as a minority).

The majority expect to be safe, wherever, whenever, and expect their government to act accordingly. Not by restricting movement; but by less intrusive (hmm) methods that don’t appear to impact upon their lives.

A prime example I can think of....
IF (IF) it was done ethically, securely, positively, and with restriction on use... then I see no issue with DNA registering all persons at birth...

Imagine a rape case where the rapist is identified by DNA in hours.
Imagine a mugging, where the mugger is identified quickly and accurately.

Where it can go wrong - is when the data is used for malicious intent... it’s a very fine line for sure and a slippery slope...


Trump could attempt to mandate that anyway (place of birth is on certificates after all, and green cards)...

[Trump... the Reductio ad Hitlerum of modern discussion]

Who did you last show your drivers licence to?
(If the answer is a Police Officer go back to the time before that)...

Did you use it to prove who you are? At say a bank? Or a pub?

If so you misused your Drivers Licence- curious we allow such a breach [emoji6]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/428.jpg

I have a British license which is accepted for identification purposes. The British government tried to introduce compulsory ID after 9/11 and were told to get ****ed by the populace.

[akula]

In Most civilised countries people live by the rule of law which is determined by a government that is elected by the people So in reality the individual Does have a say in what is right and what is wrong by using their Vote to determine who governs and implements the laws of the land.
What happened in Germany was appalling But the German people voted to put Hitler in power in the first place.

How could have voting changed the outcome of a likely bipartisan decision made without public consultation or consent? I don't recall voting for yet more surveillance and a ridiculously disproportionate response to statistically extremely unlikely event.
Same situation in Nazi Germany - governments making unilateral decisions without open public discussion or their informed consent.

[DiscoMick]

Of course facial recognition could be used to target racial groups. You only have to watch American cop shows to see the patrols focussing on black people.
In Melbourne they are already focussing on Sudanese males, following a scare campaign stirred by white male commentators.
Who will be next to be targeted?
Are we just passive sheeple?
Privacy is dying.

[Tombie]

I have a British license which is accepted for identification purposes. The British government tried to introduce compulsory ID after 9/11 and were told to get ****ed by the populace.

And how has the UK gone since then??

Multiple attacks, multiple deaths of innocents, butchering of people in the street.

And entire regions completely unsafe for “original” Poms to even pass through...

The UK has enormous amounts of intolerance - and security challenges...


And yet we take the **** out of the Yanks!!!
Who don’t even have to identify themselves IF they aren’t committing any breach of law...
Poms and Skips are required to identify by law...

So who is oppressed? Well, doesn’t that go full circle....

Freedoms and rights.... Surveillance... Gun control.... Rights to privacy...

Thats the thing about rights - you have the right to say/do whatever you want as long as you don’t infringe my rights... so who sets the rules of the game?

Rights are an agreed set of behaviours that society will tolerate.. nothing more.

[cripesamighty]

Speaking of dear Adolf, when he got in, he put out his famous proclamation saying he was pretty much renegging a bunch of promises and instituting a bunch of other measures ‘for the good of the nation’. It didn’t really have much effect on ‘average Joe citizen’ till much later. I have the translation kicking around in one of my books somewhere.

[Tombie]

How could have voting changed the outcome on a likely bipartisan decision made without public consultation or consent?
Same situation in Nazi Germany - governments making unilateral decisions without open public discussion or their informed consent.

When a party is voted in (abridged version) - one could argue that the majority has “authorised” the selected group to operate the nation as they see fit on behalf of the people.

Can you imagine if every decision was voted upon? The country would be broke and going backwards fast. Let’s consider that certain things ‘must’ go to the vote... what things? Somebody will always be upset.


As for mad blokes with moustaches- from a lot of reading, much of the population of Prussia did follow and agree with him (in the beginning)...

[Tombie]

Of course facial recognition could be used to target racial groups. You only have to watch American cop shows to see the patrols focussing on black people.
In Melbourne they are already focussing on Sudanese males, following a scare campaign stirred by white male commentators.
Who will be next to be targeted?
Are we just passive sheeple?
Privacy is dying.

Several of my interactions with Sudanese have not been pleasant... my Mother-In-Law has a property rented to several Sudanese groups over several years.

The younger males - often rude, aggressive, threatening...

The ones I’ve come across in Adelaide just walking along the street are often in gangs/groups and abusive and aggressive...


Does this mean they all are? Of course not....
But there is a good reason for Stereotyping and Profiling.

But DiscoMick - YOUR post is profiling.... “White Male Commentators”...

Statistically; significant portion of people are “white” in Australia. Odds of being attacked or assaulted and being “white” is quite high...

[Mick_Marsh]

and the number of innocent people who got put in jail who were release later after dna evidence was found to be wrong.
Interesting. Topical. I heard something on this the other day. I know of a fellow who probably wishes DNA evidence wasn't around to clear him of a rape (oh, sorry, unwanted sperm delivery) charge.
A fellow called Steven Avery.
Look for "'Making a Murderer' lawyer, Dean Strang, on justice US-style." on this site:
Big Ideas - ABC Radio National (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/)

[Classic88]

And how has the UK gone since then??

Multiple attacks, multiple deaths of innocents, butchering of people in the street.

And entire regions completely unsafe for “original” Poms to even pass through...

The UK has enormous amounts of intolerance - and security challenges...


And yet we take the **** out of the Yanks!!!
Who don’t even have to identify themselves IF they aren’t committing any breach of law...
Poms and Skips are required to identify by law...

So who is oppressed? Well, doesn’t that go full circle....

Freedoms and rights.... Surveillance... Gun control.... Rights to privacy...

Thats the thing about rights - you have the right to say/do whatever you want as long as you don’t infringe my rights... so who sets the rules of the game?

Rights are an agreed set of behaviours that society will tolerate.. nothing more.

The unsafe bit was total Trump rubbish. He got slated by the mayor of London for that.

Yes, there have been attacks. But we're British, we're not scared.

[bob10]

Who did you last show your drivers licence to?


If so you misused your Drivers Licence- curious we allow such a breach [emoji6]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/428.jpg

Got it wrong, mate.

http://www.ezicareers.com.au/images/councils/willoughby/Proof%20of%20ID%20and%20Right%20to%20Work%20Check% 20-%20100%20Point%20ID%20Check.pdf

[bob10]

The unsafe bit was total Trump rubbish. He got slated by the mayor of London for that.

Yes, there have been attacks. But we're British, we're not scared.

Says the expat living in Sydney.

[Tombie]

The unsafe bit was total Trump rubbish. He got slated by the mayor of London for that.

Yes, there have been attacks. But we're British, we're not scared.

Trump rubbish?

I’m talking from my point of view.... you’ve had significant numbers of attacks. Taking multiple innocent lives.

As for the “we’re British” Line, turn it up mate.. WW2 propaganda doesn’t fly either [emoji41]

[Classic88]

Says the expat living in Sydney.

Nothing to do with the attacks. I was there in July. I just wanted a different lifestyle.

[Classic88]

Trump rubbish?

I’m talking from my point of view.... you’ve had significant numbers of attacks. Taking multiple innocent lives.

As for the “we’re British” Line, turn it up mate.. WW2 propaganda doesn’t fly either [emoji41]

It's just something we grew up with due to the IRA being active in the latter half of the last century. My home city has been bombed very badly twice in my lifetime. Once by the IRA and them again this year. I don't blame either the Irish or Muslims. I blame extremists.

And Trump rubbish is the idea that there are no go areas for white people in Britain.

[trout1105]

I was born in Wythenshawe Manchester and I went back for a visit when I was in my early twenties.
What a **** hole, It's No wonder you decided to come to Aus[bigwhistle]

[akula]

What is behind the seemingly disproportionate increase in surveillance in response 118 fatalities resulting from terrorism from 1978-2012 (ABS, 2012)? Fatalities resulting from terrorism are at a similar level of probability as being struck by lightning, just so you know.

To contrast, what increased government surveillance powers have been proposed and accepted by the public to counter fatalities as a result of DV/violence perpetrated by partners or ex-partners? Currently, 1 woman dies per week, every week.That's right, none. Why the difference?!

[bob10]

It's just something we grew up with due to the IRA being active in the latter half of the last century. My home city has been bombed very badly twice in my lifetime. Once by the IRA and them again this year. I don't blame either the Irish or Muslims. I blame extremists.

And Trump rubbish is the idea that there are no go areas for white people in Britain.

Yes, the troubles were a terrible time, more so in Ireland, I believe. Irish friends of ours went back to Northern Ireland, just before her sister was blown up by a car bomb in Armagh. Her crime? she was a high profile solicitor , leading a group advocating unification of Ireland. As for the no-go thing, perhaps you can explain this article for me.

European 'No-Go' Zones: Fact or Fiction? Part 2: Britain (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5177/no-go-zones-britain)

[Mick_Marsh]

Yes, the troubles were a terrible time, more so in Ireland, I believe. Irish friends of ours went back to Northern Ireland, just before her sister was blown up by a car bomb in Armagh. Her crime? she was a high profile solicitor , leading a group advocating unification of Ireland. As for the no-go thing, perhaps you can explain this article for me.

European 'No-Go' Zones: Fact or Fiction? Part 2: Britain (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5177/no-go-zones-britain)
Try again.
Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute)
The first two lines
The Gatestone Institute (formerly Stonegate Institute and Hudson New York) is a right-wing think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East. The organization has attracted attention for publishing false articles.
Have a read of the "Inaccurate Reporting" section.

[cripesamighty]

Best you don't look at what is happening in Sweden then. It has massive problems with 'no go' areas and sadly is now the rape capital of Europe....

[bob10]

Try again.
Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute)
The first two lines
Have a read of the "Inaccurate Reporting" section.

I don't subscribe to their beliefs, but there is far too much BBC reporting for it to be all false. Or is the BBC right wing too?

[Mick_Marsh]

I don't subscribe to their beliefs, but there is far too much BBC reporting for it to be all false. Or is the BBC right wing too?

Well, where is the link to the BBC news item?

Here's one to The Daily Mail:
Donald Trump is RIGHT about London being radicalised, serving officers claim | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html)

[Classic88]

I wouldn't rely on the Daily Mail-icious as an accurate source to be honest.

[bob10]

Well, where is the link to the BBC news item?

Here's one to The Daily Mail:
Donald Trump is RIGHT about London being radicalised, serving officers claim | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3352406/Scotland-Yard-mocks-Trump-s-claims-London-police-terrified-Muslim-areas-officers-claim-tycoon-RIGHT.html)

At the end of the article their are links to BBC news reports. You mustn't have gone past the heading. Now, I don't wish to take this thread somewhere it was never meant to go, but Al Jazeera have an article on this.

The Stream - Muslim Patrol police London streets - YouTube (https://youtu.be/SukEnAQ_ebE)

[Mick_Marsh]

I wouldn't rely on the Daily Mail-icious as an accurate source to be honest.
It's a mainstream newspaper. As far as I am aware, it has not published "fake news". Just because it does not agree with your views does not deligitimise it's content.
Which UK newspaper would you consider a more accurate source? The Mirror?
Cops warned 'don't wear uniform to work' amid fears of a Lee Rigby-style killing - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cops-warned-dont-wear-uniform-4639890)

[bob10]

And the BBC.

Panorama White Fright Pt. 1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuzRSYSsqo)

part 2

Panorama White Fright Pt. 2 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/epbbEqvXOU8)

part 3

Panorama White Fright Pt. 3 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/6TQ3IrhY6dc)

[Classic88]

Wikipedia bans Daily Mail as 'unreliable' source | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website)

[Mick_Marsh]

And the BBC.

Panorama White Fright Pt. 1 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuzRSYSsqo)

part 2

Panorama White Fright Pt. 2 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/epbbEqvXOU8)

part 3

Panorama White Fright Pt. 3 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/6TQ3IrhY6dc)
Interesting program, Bob.
So, London are now experiencing what we in Melbourne have experienced for years.
In Melbourne, we had the Italians and Greeks.It was so long ago I can't remember the areas they flocked to. Footscray was one such area. I can't remember whether it was Italian or Greek. They all left when the Vietnamese moved in. Springvale is another Vietnamese community as is Box Hill. Brighton, Jewish. They tried to rope off their community and impose their own law quite some years ago. The state government said no. Victorian law is for all Victorians. The inner northern suburbs were Greek or Italian, I can't remember which. People of Greek and/or Italian heritage are all over Melbourne now. The English seem to flock to the outer east of Melbourne. The wetter part of Melbourne. The Arabs (mainly Lebanese) seem to congregate in the outer northern burbs like Roxburgh Park.
Interestingly, these are not "No Go Zones".

I didn't see Blackburn as a "No Go Zone" from that news investigation. I just see it as a community much like many ares in Melbourne.

Now, If I had seen violence, much like the violence we see from the Sudanese youth here in Victoria, I would be worried.

[Mick_Marsh]

Wikipedia bans Daily Mail as 'unreliable' source | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website)
I wouldn't put "The Guardian" into the reliable news source basket either. They seem to publish a lot of misinformed opinion.

[Eevo]

Yep... and the system statistically works [emoji6]

statistically yes.
and thats not good enough. cant have a few innocents in jail cause the rest were guilty.

[3toes]

I have a British license which is accepted for identification purposes. The British government tried to introduce compulsory ID after 9/11 and were told to get ****ed by the populace.

The UK government did go ahead with the ID card just limited those it would apply to. It is building slowly but certainly growing with more categories of those who must have it or where you must have it to access government being added as the opportunity opens up

Whole compulsory ID database thing was doomed from the start. Government correctly figured out that the drivers licence, passport, council tax and voters roll records were loaded with dead and non existent people and asked 'experts' (the usual crowd here) what the solution was. They came back with set up a new data base as it will be too expensive to fix what you have. So they set up a new data base for called the ID card. Now so that you do not end up with the same mess as the existing data bases how do you identify the people going into the new data base? Simple really you ask them to provide drivers licence, passport, council tax, voters roll ID. Now has anyone else been able to figure out where this is going to end up.....

[trout1105]

statistically yes.
and thats not good enough. cant have a few innocents in jail cause the rest were guilty.


Australia is at War with Drugs and Terrorism and as with All wars here always has been and always will be "collateral damage".
What is the alterative, Give up and let these scum/vermin in our society win?
Or maybe form a committee to discuss this over the next decade or so?

Facial recognition has been around for Millennia It's called the Human Eye, What is so awful about using electronics to do the same job?

[DiscoMick]

The so-called 'wars' on drugs and terrorism are poor excuses for giving up our personal freedom, I think. People died for those freedoms. We don't want to end up like Cambodia, Myanmar or Turkmanistan.
Governments always want more power and control. They always try to justify their grabs for more power by claiming we need protection from external threats. They always say if we are innocent we have nothing to fear.
Actually, often it is power-hungry people in those governments which are the biggest threats to us. .

[Bigbjorn]

Interesting program, Bob.
So, London are now experiencing what we in Melbourne have experienced for years.
In Melbourne, we had the Italians and Greeks.It was so long ago I can't remember the areas they flocked to. Footscray was one such area. I can't remember whether it was Italian or Greek. They all left when the Vietnamese moved in. Springvale is another Vietnamese community as is Box Hill. Brighton, Jewish. They tried to rope off their community and impose their own law quite some years ago. The state government said no. Victorian law is for all Victorians. The inner northern suburbs were Greek or Italian, I can't remember which. People of Greek and/or Italian heritage are all over Melbourne now. The English seem to flock to the outer east of Melbourne. The wetter part of Melbourne. The Arabs (mainly Lebanese) seem to congregate in the outer northern burbs like Roxburgh Park.
Interestingly, these are not "No Go Zones".

I didn't see Blackburn as a "No Go Zone" from that news investigation. I just see it as a community much like many ares in Melbourne.

Now, If I had seen violence, much like the violence we see from the Sudanese youth here in Victoria, I would be worried.

Years ago when I was in the truck and machinery trade I used to do a bit of business with a used machinery dealer in Collingwood. Our paths didn't cross for a few years until we met at an auction in New England. I asked him how were all his Greek neighbours. He replied "No Greeks left in Collingwood, mate. The Vietnamese started moving in and the Greeks moved out to their waterfront villas or their vineyards up the Yarra Valley. Only us poor white trash had to stay behind."

[VladTepes]

Must introduce cameras and facial recognition to protect us from terrorism.

Must allow full-face covering for a certain religion so that we don't offend anyone.

Seems legit....

[Tombie]

Must introduce cameras and facial recognition to protect us from terrorism.

Must allow full-face covering for a certain religion so that we don't offend anyone.

Seems legit....

Yep! we’re **** weak in that regard...
The letterbox isn’t a religious requirement, only the head scarf is...

[trout1105]

As I am so butt ugly the missus would probably like it if I wore a Burka in public, Maybe that is why these are worn by some women [bigwhistle][bigrolf]

[bob10]

Interesting program, Bob.
So, London are now experiencing what we in Melbourne have experienced for years.
In Melbourne, we had the Italians and Greeks.It was so long ago I can't remember the areas they flocked to. Footscray was one such area. I can't remember whether it was Italian or Greek. They all left when the Vietnamese moved in. Springvale is another Vietnamese community as is Box Hill. Brighton, Jewish. They tried to rope off their community and impose their own law quite some years ago. The state government said no. Victorian law is for all Victorians. The inner northern suburbs were Greek or Italian, I can't remember which. People of Greek and/or Italian heritage are all over Melbourne now. The English seem to flock to the outer east of Melbourne. The wetter part of Melbourne. The Arabs (mainly Lebanese) seem to congregate in the outer northern burbs like Roxburgh Park.
Interestingly, these are not "No Go Zones".

I didn't see Blackburn as a "No Go Zone" from that news investigation. I just see it as a community much like many ares in Melbourne.

Now, If I had seen violence, much like the violence we see from the Sudanese youth here in Victoria, I would be worried.

Considering my reply has disappeared into the ether, may I recommend this program.

Sunshine: SBS knocks it out of the park with new drama (http://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/tv/2017/10/18/sunshine-sbs/?utm_source=Responsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20171019_TND)

[cuppabillytea]

I personally chalk this one up as a win for the Terrorist. Whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, the fact is you are losing some freedom and privacy.
IMHO the best way to defeat Terrorism is not to react in any way that could encourage them.
The system is also wide open to abuse.
It's a pity they didn't come up with a system to stop people being struck by lightening.

[Eevo]

I personally chalk this one up as a win for the Terrorist. Whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, the fact is you are losing some freedom and privacy.
IMHO the best way to defeat Terrorism is not to react in any way that could encourage them.


ding ding ding.
give that man a cookie

[trout1105]

I suppose that with that line of thought you people would think that the best way to react to car thieves is to leave the keys in the ignition of your prised Landrover [bigwhistle]

[tact]

I suppose that with that line of thought you people would think that the best way to react to car thieves is to leave the keys in the ignition of your prised Landrover [bigwhistle]

Close! But the imposition of fines should you fail to secure your vehicle when you leave it parked, or are more than 3m from the vehicle while keys are in the ignition - that’s a real and better example of notional lost freedoms.

[cuppabillytea]

Just remember that the more information the Government has over you the more power they have over you. Power corrupts.
Even before there was a terrorist threat the Government were calling for ID cards, access to internet user dater, more surveillance,,etc etc.
Be mindful, that while you are soiling your undies about the Terrorist threat, other threats that are likely to be more harmful are being ignored.
Ask yourself: How likely would I have been to stand up and openly criticise the Government 20 years ago, as opposed to now, and how likely would I be, once the Government has all of these systems in place?
It may well be that the Parliament has the very best intentions and that they would never use that power against you.
After all we haven't seen any evidence of political corruption yet, have we?
Then there is the second tier of Government: Centrelink, Boarder Force, Police, ASIO, DOTARS or what ever they're called these days, (They're always changing their names, aren't they?). All if them have the ability to single out an individual and render him feckless. Of course they have never done that, have they? They never would would they?

[Classic88]

I personally chalk this one up as a win for the Terrorist. Whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing, the fact is you are losing some freedom and privacy.
IMHO the best way to defeat Terrorism is not to react in any way that could encourage them.
The system is also wide open to abuse.
It's a pity they didn't come up with a system to stop people being struck by lightening.

And stop calling them terrorists because 'one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. It glamorises what they have done and inspires others. Just call them what they are - ****ing murdering scum.

[JDNSW]

Not to mention the hackers that will steal all this data when the government has it assembled. And it will happen - it has already happened to the US Department of Homeland Security, not to mention the US Defence Department, not to mention Australian Defence contractors etc. Anyone who thinks that this data will not be misused and will not be stolen is living in a fantasy world.

[cuppabillytea]

Not to mention also that it is intended to give the information to Private Security Firms, whom we all know are beyond reproach.

[trout1105]

Not to mention the hackers that will steal all this data when the government has it assembled. And it will happen - it has already happened to the US Department of Homeland Security, not to mention the US Defence Department, not to mention Australian Defence contractors etc. Anyone who thinks that this data will not be misused and will not be stolen is living in a fantasy world.

How can the data from CCTV cameras be at all useful to a hacker?
CCTV cameras is what we are talking about here, Not everyone getting a chip implanted in their neck [bigwhistle]

[bee utey]

How can the data from CCTV cameras be at all useful to a hacker?
CCTV cameras is what we are talking about here, Not everyone getting a chip implanted in their neck [bigwhistle]

Cameras are not just cameras anymore you know. Raw footage is almost useless in bulk but what is valuable is sophisticated analysis of the data. Once the footage has been crunched and ordered it's worth nicking.

[martnH]

Big brothers are watching you already and always will be.

Your smart phone is already monitoring your movement. Go to Google map history and you can see where and when you have been and the speed you were at....
What you google was also recorded

[cuppabillytea]

How can the data from CCTV cameras be at all useful to a hacker?
CCTV cameras is what we are talking about here, Not everyone getting a chip implanted in their neck [bigwhistle]

All dater is valuable and can be sold. CCTV could be hacked or even just sold on by an unscrupulous individual, to anyone who has your photo and might be interested in knowing what you are up to.

[tuesdayfox]

Oh another topics of interest

Facial recognition has been implemented in China already.
Machine scans your face when boarding plane or train
And you can pay with your face

It's the future. The essence of internet and maybe the future is access and freedom of information

Privacy is probably a thing in the past already. Look at Facebook, your smart phone and smart watch

[tuesdayfox]

A friend at ANU is working on such project. Computers now can recognize object. Yes like a human.

With the recent technology improvement, we can store massive data and analyses them without human intervention.
Computers can recognize persona and interlink CCTV footage. But that is retrospective investigation. Maybe a live monitoring is a possibility in the future.

For people fearing their privacy, look have you recently checked your emails? Have you heard about targeted advertisement?

Basically massive purchase data in the past is obtained and analyses using Bayesian statistics and predictions of purchase can then be made based on some traits (variables in the equations.

Such predictions are expressed in the form of targeted ads to you. If the consumer received the ad and make a purchase via the target ads, it sends back a positive prediction signal to increase the success rate in the future (so to speak.

I sometimes received such email. I was thinking about buying a 3/4 socket set and was sent an such promotion email by Amazon. They must have guessed it from my YouTube/Google search data.

Trust me they know who we are, what we doing and what we want already

Professor Jordan Lou viere Does such work for Amazon etc..And I learn from him

[Mick_Marsh]

For people fearing their privacy, look have you recently checked your emails? Have you heard about targeted advertisement?
Yes I have and I am yet to see it work.

On ebay, I usually get ads for products I have already bought. A bit useless, really.
Closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

And I cannot explain this one:

131093

Oh, and on the work computer, the targeted advertising thought I was looking for Russian brides.

[cuppabillytea]

Yes I have and I am yet to see it work.

On ebay, I usually get ads for products I have already bought. A bit useless, really.
Closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

And I cannot explain this one:

131093

Oh, and on the work computer, the targeted advertising thought I was looking for Russian brides.

That's their way of saying you're getting old Mick.:wheelchair:

[Mick_Marsh]

In the interests of accuracy, I've edited your post.
That's their way of saying you're <deleted> old Mick.:wheelchair:

But I do not use or need the product displayed.
Why don't they display the ads for the latest patterns I can add to my Cleckheaton collection?

[cuppabillytea]

In the interests of accuracy, I've edited your post.

But I do not use or need the product displayed.
Why don't they display the ads for the latest patterns I can add to my Cleckheaton collection?

You have to actually purchase your knitting needles before they take you seriously. [bigwhistle]

[Mick_Marsh]

You have to actually purchase your knitting needles before they take you seriously. [bigwhistle]
You know, you can't take them on a plane with you. I had to check them in as baggage. That was a boring plane trip.

[tuesdayfox]

Yes I have and I am yet to see it work.

On ebay, I usually get ads for products I have already bought. A bit useless, really.
Closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

And I cannot explain this one:

131093

Oh, and on the work computer, the targeted advertising thought I was looking for Russian brides.Oh there are good ones and bad ones.

Amazon's targeted ads is usually pretty accurate. Its algorithm is lead by prof Jordan

Judging by the dollar value of that contract, the algorithm must be woking really good for Amazon

[NavyDiver]

All dater is valuable and can be sold. CCTV could be hacked or even just sold on by an unscrupulous individual, to anyone who has your photo and might be interested in knowing what you are up to.


Really? No idea why anyone would like to see a sweaty me on a bike, out running or even driving around in my Disco 99.9% of the time. If they do they are a seriously ill individual. Only person or people who want to know what I am up to know what I am up to.

131102

Like Micks thoughts on target advertising, it only ever gets to me well after the horse has bolted. [biggrin]

I have CCTV at work. It is really boring trying to find the bits police want post nefarious activities at shops or business near me. Not for sale and very secure.

[tuesdayfox]

Bayesian statistics method is dynamic. It's like a living creature. You keep feeding it information about yourself and it keep growing and it's predictions about your preference become more accurate.

So in you case if you don't click that ad, the database has no idea if you interested or not and thus won't grow and perhaps will kept performming poorly for you. But if you click those ads, you generate input into the distribution, you tell them something about yourself and that distribution learn it and next time will give you a predictions that is more likely to be accurate...

[Mick_Marsh]

Bayesian statistics method is dynamic. It's like a living creature. You keep feeding it information about yourself and it keep growing and it's predictions about your preference become more accurate.

So in you case if you don't click that ad, the database has no idea if you interested or not and thus won't grow and perhaps will kept performming poorly for you. But if you click those ads, you generate input into the distribution, you tell them something about yourself and that distribution learn it and next time will give you a predictions that is more likely to be accurate...

So, can you explain to me how it knows what I have bought on ebay/gumtree when I have not clicked on the ads?
I click on things I search within those sites but that data does not appear to be logged. If it is, where are the gumtree ads for ex army trailers?

Now it's showing me an ad for international flights to Hong Kong, Seoul or Taipei! I have never showed any interest in traveling overseas (except maybe Philip Island).

[tuesdayfox]

So, can you explain to me how it knows what I have bought on ebay/gumtree when I have not clicked on the ads?
I click on things I search within those sites but that data does not appear to be logged. If it is, where are the gumtree ads for ex army trailers?

Now it's showing me an ad for international flights to Hong Kong, Seoul or Taipei! I have never showed any interest in traveling overseas (except maybe Philip Island).

Like this
They scan cookies (what you search what you brows) in your browser (chrome?) and Google scan your gmail, Facebook amazon ebay etc.. .They also obtain the device ID that you used (sometimes they asked is it a public PC?) and link these with your personal info.

in other words, you as a real human is assigned with a digital ID in their database and massive data collected under your ID.
Thus they can dump the targeted ads to you (and of courses can monitor you . They may not get it 100% with the ads

I am not expert but I know ebay is very successful at ID person. If ebay bans one, he/she won't be able to register. They use linked data to create that digital ID and this ID is linked to you permanently. They have your personal details, address, payment data, real time location etc..

Google’s ad tracking is as creepy as Facebook's. Here’s how to disable it | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/21/how-to-disable-google-ad-tracking-gmail-youtube-browser-history)

My arguments is if one trust microsoft, Google or Apple, maybe they should have some faith in our police department

[cuppabillytea]

Really? No idea why anyone would like to see a sweaty me on a bike, out running or even driving around in my Disco 99.9% of the time. If they do they are a seriously ill individual. Only person or people who want to know what I am up to know what I am up to.

131102

Like Micks thoughts on target advertising, it only ever gets to me well after the horse has bolted. [biggrin]

I have CCTV at work. It is really boring trying to find the bits police want post nefarious activities at shops or business near me. Not for sale and very secure.

I'm sure you didn't turn a head in New York. Soon you'll be getting ads for pink leos.

[Mick_Marsh]

They may not get it 100% with the ads
They are way off on that figure. I'm getting ads for European tours, now.
I have zero interest in European tours.

Oh, and facebook, twice a day they send me three friend suggestions for three people I do not know and have nothing in common with.
Smart, hey!

[Mick_Marsh]

Google’s ad tracking is as creepy as Facebook's. Here’s how to disable it | Technology | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/21/how-to-disable-google-ad-tracking-gmail-youtube-browser-history)



Interesting. I tried to disable Googles tracking as described in that article. It wants me to log in to my Google account. I don't have a Google account.

[NavyDiver]

I'm sure you didn't turn a head in New York. Soon you'll be getting ads for pink leos.
My sister once gave me a shirt for Xmas. I was outraged as it was [wink11] PINK. She said it was watermellon so I wore it[biggrin]

I guess if it is or was online faceal regogntion might be able to find it. Still doubt anyone would bother. Plan to run the NY marathon one day. Pink might not work but be assured of sweat!

[Mick_Marsh]

My sister once gave me a shirt for Xmas. I was outraged as it was [wink11] PINK. She said it was watermellon so I wore it[biggrin]
I wouldn't have worn it. All the little dark brown spots over it would have worried me.

[Classic88]

They are way off on that figure. I'm getting ads for European tours, now.
I have zero interest in European tours.

Oh, and facebook, twice a day they send me three friend suggestions for three people I do not know and have nothing in common with.
Smart, hey!

They will have an 'average' or 'aggregate' persona for this website as well or you will fall within what's called a 'lookalike' audience. You would be surprised/shocked at how much data the tech giants have collected on you.

[Mick_Marsh]

They will have an 'average' or 'aggregate' persona for this website as well or you will fall within what's called a 'lookalike' audience. You would be surprised/shocked at how much data the tech giants have collected on you.
How much doesn't concern me.
The subject of that information does.

Look what I am getting now:
B Free Intimate Apparel - Luxurious Intimate Apparel for Women – B Free Australia (https://www.bfreeaustralia.com.au/?rd_eid=0efe4c6a-b55c-11e7-9272-b97784464795&rdmid=6807&rdadid=4040747)

Obviously fits in with "an 'average' or 'aggregate' persona for this website".

[NavyDiver]

How much doesn't concern me.
The subject of that information does.

Look what I am getting now:
B Free Intimate Apparel - Luxurious Intimate Apparel for Women – B Free Australia (https://www.bfreeaustralia.com.au/?rd_eid=0efe4c6a-b55c-11e7-9272-b97784464795&rdmid=6807&rdadid=4040747)

Obviously fits in with "an 'average' or 'aggregate' persona for this website".

If you need the sports bra Mick you need to run with me some time mate[bigwhistle]

[cuppabillytea]

I don't know whether to be worried for you blokes, or by you blokes. :unsure:

[Mick_Marsh]

If you need the sports bra Mick you need to run with me some time mate[bigwhistle]
You got that the wrong way around.
If I run with you, I will need the sports bra.
Best not run. I'll cycle instead.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/536.jpg

[trog]

You got that the wrong way around.
If I run with you, I will need the sports bra.
Best not run. I'll cycle instead.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/536.jpg

Nice helmet

[Mick_Marsh]

Had it for years.

[Tombie]

Nice bike

[bob10]

Just don't fly any time soon.

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[trog]

You got that the wrong way around.
If I run with you, I will need the sports bra.
Best not run. I'll cycle instead.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/536.jpg

Cameras would have got him for no lid and cycling with a disregard for the rules. One on every post thank you