My First Disco 4 Experience

[Archangel007]

Hi Guys n Girls,

Tricky here. I have a thread in the projects section about rebuilding my sons S2A titled "Plugger and The Camel", so not new to AULRO forums.

However, I am new to Land Rovers.

I recently had the utmost pleasure in test driving a 2010 Disco 4 with the 3.0 litre TDV6 and I was mightily impressed - I mean royally impressed. Plugger (my son) was with me for the test and after 5 mins we both had grins from ear to ear.

I could not believe this engine - smooth, quiet and oh so powerful. I tickled the throttle and before I knew it I was at 120km/h and still pulling like a freight train! The box was smooth with no hestitations or jerkiness and the seats were sublimely comfortable. Plus, it had just about everything an man could want in a car, including the Harmon Kardon sound system which sounded bloody fantastic. Just for kicks and from the same yard we took out a later model Grand Cherokee with fewer km's with the 4.0 litre petrol six. Well this thing was loud, raucous and very unrefined compared to the Disco. In fact, the engine in it left me very uninspired - personally I doubt if it could pull a boy scout off your grandma!

I'm sold on the Disco now and want to grab one in the very near future. My question is to the educated out there is....

>What is the better model to get, I am not up to speed with SE, HSE, TDV6 versus other models in the line up
>What to look out for other than high miles
>What year to get? I understand there was a gearbox change somewhere in its history
>And finally fitment. I was looking at one with a Nav screen but someone told me they cannot be upgraded and fall into disuse. Is this true, if so maybe not as important as I thought.

This car will do duty as my standard vehicle with towing duties - car trailers fully loaded and the 600Nm will surely help there.

Any advice would sure be welcome.

Cheers,
Tricky

[DiscoJeffster]

My first advice. Tell us your price range and we can help narrow year and features. I’ve got a 2010 TDV6 HSE and love it. While yes the Sat Nav can’t be upgraded (effectively), I still prefer the big display for the other aspects it supports. Everything you said is why I own one! For me, there wasn’t much draw for the extra expense to a 2013+ model with 8 speed and a couple of other changes.

[Discovered 1 2]

Do yourself a favour, test drive a patrol. You may find yourself taking the patrol to the bank to get the cheque for the Disco

[Archangel007]

Jeffster,

I would like to get out of it for around the $35-40k mark - or there abouts! What other functions does the Satnav display do? Not sure I can afford a 2013+ year model...

Discovered 1 2,
I have owned two GU Patrols. One was a 2005 model GUIII with the ZD30 engine and 4-speed auto - it cracked a head and $7k later was just disappointing. I also bought new a 2013 GUIV with the same engine, this time direct injection, and manual. I hated both cars! The engines were just ****e - they could not pull a greasy stick out of a monkeys ass! Putting our 23 foot van behind the Patrol was just embarrasing. I will never buy another one, nor a Jeep, nor a Land Cruiser!! My brother just paid $54k for a 2nd hand 79-series - it doesn't even come with cup holders and the HVAC controls aren't lit up at night - for $54k!

Cheers,
Tricky

[Discovered 1 2]

Agreed, D4s are pretty good, especially when you compare them to alternatives. Get the big screen in the HSE if you can, my SE has the big screen and it’s handy when viewing off-road settings and things.

PS, love what you and the young bloke are doing with the wide light. He’s going to have a freakin’ ball with that thing!

[letherm]

Hi Guys n Girls,

>And finally fitment. I was looking at one with a Nav screen but someone told me they cannot be upgraded and fall into disuse. Is this true, if so maybe not as important as I thought.


Hi Tricky,

If you're mainly looking for sat nav don't bother. I have a 2013 HSE with the big screen and sat nav. $200 to get a dvd to update and it's already out of date. No traffic, red light, speed, school warning etc.. It's what I would call adequate but I was content with it. I have just bought a Garmin Drive Smart 61 LMT-S which is just under 7 inches edge to edge. Cost $288 at Bing Lee, RRP $329. Much better altogether and much happier with it. I prefer the in dash placement of the oem unit but couldn't justify the dollars compared to the Garmin's feature set, plus the Garmin has lifetime updates for free which I reckon JLR should be doing in any case given the cost of these cars. My in dash screen sits in the default home mode most of the time unless I want to change audio source say from radio to cd/hard drive. It has a 4wd screen but I've only looked at that for amusement rather than used it to see where the wheels are but I mainly drive in the city so it could be useful on dirt I suppose. then again I haven't used the small screen so can't compare.

It is my understanding that the gearbox changed from 6 to 8 speed late 2012 to early 2013. I have the 8 speed. From previous discussions here the 8 speed is a better unit. You may have read about the rear E-Diff. If you do "testing" 4wd areas that would help but it is not really necessary especially with the later models, once again from 2013 on, as the terrain response system was tweaked enough to not require it except in exceptional circumstances. That said it will be better with than without - it only cost $1000 as an add on when new.

Martin

[Celtoid]

Hi Tricky,

If you're mainly looking for sat nav don't bother. I have a 2013 HSE with the big screen and sat nav. $200 to get a dvd to update and it's already out of date. No traffic, red light, speed, school warning etc.. It's what I would call adequate but I was content with it. I have just bought a Garmin Drive Smart 61 LMT-S which is just under 7 inches edge to edge. Cost $288 at Bing Lee, RRP $329. Much better altogether and much happier with it. I prefer the in dash placement of the oem unit but couldn't justify the dollars compared to the Garmin's feature set, plus the Garmin has lifetime updates for free which I reckon JLR should be doing in any case given the cost of these cars. My in dash screen sits in the default home mode most of the time unless I want to change audio source say from radio to cd/hard drive. It has a 4wd screen but I've only looked at that for amusement rather than used it to see where the wheels are but I mainly drive in the city so it could be useful on dirt I suppose. then again I haven't used the small screen so can't compare.

It is my understanding that the gearbox changed from 6 to 8 speed late 2012 to early 2013. I have the 8 speed. From previous discussions here the 8 speed is a better unit. You may have read about the rear E-Diff. If you do "testing" 4wd areas that would help but it is not really necessary especially with the later models, once again from 2013 on, as the terrain response system was tweaked enough to not require it except in exceptional circumstances. That said it will be better with than without - it only cost $1000 as an add on when new.

Martin

Hi All,

I've been down the path of 2 D4s with and without Sat Nav. Both did come with the H&K sound system and the required big screen, which is the only way to get touch functionality. The H&K or later Meridian sound system is the only way you can have SatNav or Cameras, etc. The sound system is the enabler for all the touch and visual functions.

If it's only $200 for the DVD update now, that's a bargain compared to the $600+ original cost for older models. With regards to how good the upgrade is .... I'd do my homework and see when there have been major changes before I payed the $. Conversely you can get lifetime upgrades like my TomTom 600 which still shows streets with speed limits that were changed 10 years ago..... go figure.

For me ... IMO .... I hate having the Sat Nav on my windscreen. It's intrusive, creates glare during the night and can't easily be seen with polarised lenses during the day. But the big kicker for me .... if you don't have SatNav, you don't have true integration. I miss being able to press the button and say "Phone, call home" or Navigation, zoom in 3." My old D4 didn't have complete audio integration in it's system but my Merc does and I'm sure the new JLR products would have too, where you can change channel or audio source with your voice. You lose all of that if you have no SatNav. I have a useless 'sound/talk' button on my steering wheel in my latest D4.

If you've never had it, you may not miss it .... but I'll never make the mistake again.

Cheers,

Kev.

[letherm]

Hi All,

I've been down the path of 2 D4s with and without Sat Nav. Both did come with the H&K sound system and the required big screen, which is the only way to get touch functionality. The H&K or later Meridian sound system is the only way you can have SatNav or Cameras, etc. The sound system is the enabler for all the touch and visual functions.

If it's only $200 for the DVD update now, that's a bargain compared to the $600+ original cost for older models. With regards to how good the upgrade is .... I'd do my homework and see when there have been major changes before I payed the $. Conversely you can get lifetime upgrades like my TomTom 600 which still shows streets with speed limits that were changed 10 years ago..... go figure.

For me ... IMO .... I hate having the Sat Nav on my windscreen. It's intrusive, creates glare during the night and can't easily be seen with polarised lenses during the day. But the big kicker for me .... if you don't have SatNav, you don't have true integration. I miss being able to press the button and say "Phone, call home" or Navigation, zoom in 3." My old D4 didn't have complete audio integration in it's system but my Merc does and I'm sure the new JLR products would have too, where you can change channel or audio source with your voice. You lose all of that if you have no SatNav. I have a useless 'sound/talk' button on my steering wheel in my latest D4.

If you've never had it, you may not miss it .... but I'll never make the mistake again.

Cheers,

Kev.

Yes, I'd prefer the in dash setup for sure but the Garmin is streets ahead (sorry about that awful pun) for functionality. I configured the Garmin to only use the data link on my phone for traffic updates so still have all the functionality of the in dash setup, voice commands etc. The Garmin also has voice commands as well so all in all a good balance between the two systems. I have no trouble with polarised lenses now. I updated my Serengetti sun glasses earlier this year after the old set got a bit worn after 15 years, and the new ones were polarised. Hated the effect so much that I paid to have the lenses swapped over to their non polarised version. I couldn't even read the signs on train stations without tilting my head 45 degrees to one side - pain in the butt. Agree that there is some glare depending upon the time of day and sun position but it's not much where I have it situated - low down, virtually siting on the dash just to the left of the instrument binnacle. It has a night mode where the background is grey so the glare is minimal and doesn't bother me at all. I personally find that the position on the dash means that I can keep a better eye on the road as the eye doesn't have to travel as far.

Bottom line is personal taste and what bugs you but I totally understand where you're coming from.

BTW Tricky, I forgot about using the in dash display for reverse camera. Useful for checking no kids are behind the car and for getting really close when parking against a wall or bollard etc. I don't use it for parking myself but some people do.

Martin

[scarry]

I would go the eight speed,the complete package is better,but then there is nothing wrong with the six speed,it is still way ahead of the jap opposition,and a great auto.

MY12 was the end of the six speed and the 2.7 in the D4.

You may not get a good 8 speed in your budget,but nothing wrong with a 3.0l or 2.7 six speeder.

Main thing is a good service record,and all the services done at the dealer or a good Indie.

We use the garmin in all our work vans and the D4,it works well,except in some regional areas.
As on here,heaps of complaints on the LR navigation system,one reason we didn't tick that box when we bought our D4.

[Homestar]

Word of warning if you like your licence - they keep pulling strongly past 120, 130, 140 and beyond if you keep your boot planted. I've had the pleasure of driving 2 of them - I'd have one in a flash I feel I had the means. 😊

[northiam]

We updated from a D2 ES Td5 .
My compromise was any vehicle with low range, hers was seven seats
She thought all Landrovers were to agricultural after driving the D2 for 5 years...

After test driving everything under $40k including prado's, Colorado7, pajero & pajero sport plus more (including Q7 and X5
because maybe I could live without low-range)
finally she agreed to test drive a D4 with extreme prejudice...

Literally within 5 mins of the test drive of the D4 SDV6 3.0 HSE she decided she must have this car!

[Archangel007]

Agreed, D4s are pretty good, especially when you compare them to alternatives. Get the big screen in the HSE if you can, my SE has the big screen and it’s handy when viewing off-road settings and things.

PS, love what you and the young bloke are doing with the wide light. He’s going to have a freakin’ ball with that thing!

Thanks mate, what a nice thing to say. Yep, its put us on the path to adventure alright!!

OK, it seems the consensus is that its better to have the SatNav screen than to not have the SatNav screen because of all of the other integrated functions. Question: which models does this come in or not come in??

The 3.0 litre sounds like the way to go for the extra Oomph!
The 8-speed also seems to get the nod but that propels me into a higher price bracket - will have to play this by ear but sounds like MY13 or newer.

With the HK or Meridian sound system, was this only optioned when you got the SatNav screen or are they mutually exclusive?
Also, can someone tell me the difference between the SDV6 and the TDV6 - is it the 2.7litre versus the 3.0litre??

And also, I found a HSE for sale that has grey leather seats but the rest of the dash and doorcards are the almond white colour - what gives there??

Finally, it seems the 2.7 litre was offered alongside the 3.0litre instead of being replaced by it. Confused!

Cheers and thanks for all the replies,
Tricky

[Disco-tastic]

About the time the 8spd gearbox was available, they changed the TDV6 from the 2.7L to a detuned version of the 3.0L. The difference between the hipo and lowpo is a software tune, so a 3.0L TDV6 can be tuned to match the SDV6.

To add to the confusion, the earlier 2010 (and possibly some 2011) cars with the 3.0L were branded as the "TDV6 3.0L"

One other thing to keep in mind is the 2.7L diesels can run 17" wheels. The 3.0L models are limited to 19" or the compomotive or tuffant 18" rims.

Cheers

Dan

Ps. I'm loving reading about Plugger and the Camel too! Keep it up!

[cripesamighty]

From memory, when the 8 speed came out in 2012/13, the 2.7L TDV6 was dropped in favour of a detuned SDV6 3.0 engine putting out 155kw/520Nm vs original 3.0L with 180kw/600Nm. One of the benefits(?) of the new TDV6’s was they came with the slightly smaller diameter brake discs of the previous 2.7L model which could fit 17” & 18” rims from factory without the need for aftermarket rims. There can be a bit of confusion with the 2009/10 TDV6 D4’s though, as some came with the 3.0L full spec engine instead of the 2.7L. Clear as mud yet!


SNAP!!

[TB]

I picked up a 2010 TDV6 (The 3.0L one with 180kW and 600Nm) SE with 165,000km in good condition and with some major service items (auto flush, timing belt) taken care of for just shy of $40K on the road. My insurance company nominated fair market value at $41K. So I think you'll be looking at around 2010 within your price range.

As a newcomer to LR ownership I was very hesitant about buying from anybody who wasn't a reputable LR specialist. Reading forums like this you come to understand that there are some common failures, some of which can be very expensive to fix if you don't prevent them from occurring. I mean a rebuilt transmission sounds lovely but I don't want to fork out all that money if a reasonably-maintained one will drive 80% as nicely.

[scarry]

From memory, when the 8 speed came out in 2012/13, the 2.7L TDV6 was dropped in favour of a detuned SDV6 3.0 engine putting out 155kw/520Nm vs original 3.0L with 180kw/600Nm. One of the benefits(?) of the new TDV6’s was they came with the slightly smaller diameter brake discs of the previous 2.7L model which could fit 17” & 18” rims from factory without the need for aftermarket rims. There can be a bit of confusion with the 2009/10 TDV6 D4’s though, as some came with the 3.0L full spec engine instead of the 2.7L. Clear as mud yet!


SNAP!!

umm,not really correct.

All D3/4 2.7L can run 17" OEM rims front and rear.

All 3.0l models cannot run 17" rims,or 18" OEM rims either,although some models can run these OEM(18") on the rear only.

After market 18" rims are available for all 3.0L models.

Clear as mud?[wink11]

[Archangel007]

About the time the 8spd gearbox was available, they changed the TDV6 from the 2.7L to a detuned version of the 3.0L. The difference between the hipo and lowpo is a software tune, so a 3.0L TDV6 can be tuned to match the SDV6.

To add to the confusion, the earlier 2010 (and possibly some 2011) cars with the 3.0L were branded as the "TDV6 3.0L"

One other thing to keep in mind is the 2.7L diesels can run 17" wheels. The 3.0L models are limited to 19" or the compomotive or tuffant 18" rims.

Cheers

Dan

Ps. I'm loving reading about Plugger and the Camel too! Keep it up!

So, I'm chasing an SDV6 MY13, or is there such a thing? Can I get the SDV6 with the 8-speed?? Holy crap am I confused or what...????!![tonguewink]

P.S. Thanks for the kind words and I am glad you are all being entertained![biggrin]

[Disco-tastic]

So, I'm chasing an SDV6 MY13, or is there such a thing? Can I get the SDV6 with the 8-speed?? Holy crap am I confused or what...????!![tonguewink]

P.S. Thanks for the kind words and I am glad you are all being entertained![biggrin]SDV6 was available with both the 6 and 8 spd. Pretty much comes down to what you can afford. Take them both for a drive and see if the 8spd is high on your list [emoji106] some people prefer the ediff or the Windsor leather.

Or maybe don't otherwise you'll want one! :D

[Archangel007]

Alright, alright, alright (said in a Mathew McConnaughey voice!!!)....

I think I have narrowed my focus a bit.

Let's put things into categories of importance:
High Importance:
-600Nm torque and 180kW
-Low kilometres (the lower the better obviously)
-Cream/almond leather interior (black is just too hot in QLD)
-LR Towbar fitted (for obvious reasons)
-Towing ability
-Harmon Kardon/Meridian sound system (I just love my music!!)
-Trailer sway control (I tow a LOT!! Can this be had in the MY10 vehicles or only in the MY13 8-speed and later cars??)
-Price (the pockets go only so deep!!)

Medium Importance
-Colour (bronze good, gold good, white good, black bad!!)
-8-speed gearbox (nice to have but if I have to lose 80Nm of torque to get it...)
-SatNav(yes I would like to have it for the integration etc but if I have to go back to a MY10 model its already 7 years out of date)
-Reverse camera (it just makes things easy, and we all like easy!!)
-I like the woodgrain interior - classy!! (but if I have to pay $10k more to get it...)

Low Importance
-Wheel sizes (this machine will rarely, if ever go offroad - standard fitment is perfectly fine)
-Tyre choices (as above - standard fitment is perfectly fine)
-Bull bar, side steps, snorkel et al (don't want 'em, don't need 'em!)
-7 seats (only have two kids, and Plugger rides shotgun a lot!!)

There you have it I guess.

My question to you all is: was there ever a time where there was a crossover point whereby you could get the non-detuned engine AND the 8-speed gearbox??? If not, I'm going back to the MY12 and earlier models I think.

And, to add another layer of complication, someone suggested I look at the L322 or L405 Range Rover.....[bawl]

Cheers,
Tricky

[letherm]

So, I'm chasing an SDV6 MY13, or is there such a thing? Can I get the SDV6 with the 8-speed?? Holy crap am I confused or what...????!![tonguewink]

P.S. Thanks for the kind words and I am glad you are all being entertained![biggrin]

I seem to recall that when I bought my SDV6 HSE new in November 2013 that the TDV6 was essentially the base model and came with the 3.0 engine but the low power version. The SE and HSE models had the higher power engine. I'm not 100% sure but I think that the SDV6 has twin sequential turbos (that bit I'm sure of) and the TDV6 a single turbo ( might be wrong there though). Mine has an 8 speed box so the answer is yes to both questions. Unfortunately this was the time when JLR changed the models hence the confusion as there was an overlap. My HSE SDV6 is worth about $50K I believe. Best car I've had and am very happy with it. If you're not sure what a particular car is it can be looked up on TOPIX using the VIN. TOPIX is the LR database of all their cars sold. You can get this info without subscribing although you may have to register.

Martin

[letherm]

High Importance:
-600Nm torque and 180kW
-Low kilometres (the lower the better obviously) No you can't have my car - 25K at 4 years
-Cream/almond leather interior (black is just too hot in QLD)
-LR Towbar fitted (for obvious reasons) Pretty sure they all come with Tow bar as standard in later models
-Towing ability
-Harmon Kardon/Meridian sound system (I just love my music!!)
-Trailer sway control (I tow a LOT!! Can this be had in the MY10 vehicles or only in the MY13 8-speed and later cars??) I believe that this is standard too
-Price (the pockets go only so deep!!)

Medium Importance
-Colour (bronze good, gold good, white good, black bad!!)
-8-speed gearbox (nice to have but if I have to lose 80Nm of torque to get it...) I don't believe that you wold need to compromise here
-SatNav(yes I would like to have it for the integration etc but if I have to go back to a MY10 model its already 7 years out of date)
-Reverse camera (it just makes things easy, and we all like easy!!)
-I like the woodgrain interior - classy!! (but if I have to pay $10k more to get it...)

Low Importance
-Wheel sizes (this machine will rarely, if ever go offroad - standard fitment is perfectly fine)
-Tyre choices (as above - standard fitment is perfectly fine)
-Bull bar, side steps, snorkel et al (don't want 'em, don't need 'em!)

There you have it I guess.

My question to you all is: was there ever a time where there was a crossover point whereby you could get the non-detuned engine AND the 8-speed gearbox??? If not, I'm going back to the MY12 and earlier models I think.

And, to add another layer of complication, someone suggested I look at the L322 or L405 Range Rover.....[bawl]

Cheers,
Tricky

Martin

[scarry]

Don't know if this answers the question,but after around MY12,all 3.0l,detuned or not were 8speed.The 2.7 was dropped,replaced by the 3.0l detuned.

Before that time,all,3.0l,and 2.7 were 6 speed.

[SimmAus]

And then.........you have the gear stick selector vs rotary dial.......

[AMB]

All,

very interested in this thread as am, too, looking for. Disco4. Aiming for post 2013 SDV6 HSE; if I can find one for <$65k. A L322may be an alternate solution. Is the SDV6 the best engine?

AMB

[Archangel007]

Alright, alright, alright (MM again!)....

Seems Martin knows his stuff as I found 13 ad's for MY2012/13 vehicles with the 8-speed AND with the 600Nm engine (if you can believe the advertising)! But some show a rotary dial and the other show a stick-shift auto...

SimmAus - do all the 8-speeds have the rotary dial? Because I found a few ad's on Car Sales that claims its 3.0litre engine, 600Nm car with 8-speed but it has a stick shift auto...!!! Fortunately 1 had creme/almond leather interior, SatNav, Harmon Kardon sound too!. All the rest were the dark interior and some were just stupidly priced.

On the subject of range Rover or Range Rover Sport - AMB, I too am looking at the RRS and it seems that I can get a RRS around the same year, with around the same mileage (or less in some instances) for around the same money (or less in some instances) - AND IT COMES WITH ALL THE FRUIT!! I don't understand this. Is it simply supply and demand? I mean, essentially under the skin, they are the same vehicle, aren't they??

Further, the almond/cream leather interior which I crave and rate so highly, is much more prevalent on the RRS than on the Disco 4. So, why should I not get a L320 for the same money, with the same mileage, and its better equipped - not bashing here, just playing the devil's advocate and in need of some intel!!??

Cheers,
Tricky

[shanegtr]

I belive that the rotary dial is all 8 speed and stick is the 6 speed. The RRS also has the option of V8 diesel to for what its worth[thumbsupbig]

[Archangel007]

I belive that the rotary dial is all 8 speed and stick is the 6 speed. The RRS also has the option of V8 diesel to for what its worth[thumbsupbig]

OK, the dealer rang and he said that it is definitely an 8-speed auto even though it has a stick shift and NOT a rotary dial.....

Riddle me that one Batman!!

[donh54]

OK, the dealer rang and he said that it is definitely an 8-speed auto even though it has a stick shift and NOT a rotary dial.....

Riddle me that one Batman!!
Get the VIN and check it, should tell a fair bit, don't know if it includes gearbox info, though. Anyone?

[letherm]

Get the VIN and check it, should tell a fair bit,

X2. Don't trust the dealer. They may believe what they tell you but the VIN will give you the correct info in case they're wrong. I tried to look at Topix but it wouldn't let me log in. If no one else checks in the meantime, I'll have a look when JLR support sort it out.

Martin

[LRD414]

What do you tow regularly? I would not discount the so-called “detuned” TDV6 3.0L. I have an MY14 8 speed TDV6 and tow a 1.8t (fully loaded) small caravan with ease and plenty of people tow a lot heavier quite happily. If you add this to your consideration you will most likely open up more options for better spec’d and/or lower km’s examples. While the SDV6 is better because more is always better, you don’t need it and it seems that you have other requirements important to you anyway, eg light interior, that will be easier to achieve with a wider field to choose from.

Scott

[cripesamighty]

Don't forget a few people on here have tweaked the detuned TDV6 for a bit more oomph too....

[ATH]

We've got a 2016 3ltr TDV6 and it tows our small van of about 1.8t easily. You really wouldn't know the van is there. I've had to exceed the speed limit on a couple of occasions to pass idiots blocking the road and the pick up was tremendous.
Plus ours has the wide screen which seems to come with the rear camera spec. vehicles. The dash with the small screen looks odd to me.
I won't be getting the LR sat.nav and will just use the Hema we've had for years but may update soon as the screen is a bit small.
Great vehicle and all I've got to do now is sell the Deafener.......
AlanH.

[SimmAus]

Alright, alright, alright (MM again!)....

SimmAus - do all the 8-speeds have the rotary dial? Because I found a few ad's on Car Sales that claims its 3.0litre engine, 600Nm car with 8-speed but it has a stick shift auto...!!! Fortunately 1 had creme/almond leather interior, SatNav, Harmon Kardon sound too!. All the rest were the dark interior and some were just stupidly priced.


Cheers,
Tricky

I must be super honest in this...I don’t know; my point was rather tongue in cheek (and vino inspired)..in that over the last 7 years the D4 has gone through many different tweaks. So apologies, not very helpful.

All of them maybe important to you, but trying to isolate a used vehicle that meets all of these points AND meet a budget will possibly drive you insane, and we haven’t even started on the colour combos yet ;-)

I can’t recall what your major use was for this vehicle, but very generally most D4 drivers are VERY happy with their model choice (even though different models have their advantages / disadvantages), and these need to be balanced with budget.

Good luck in the search, enjoy the test drives. As with any used vehicle service history and “known issue resolution” is important...and then colour, gear selector etc ;-)

Enjoy.

[SBD4]

Absolutely no stick shift with 8 speed auto they are rotary dial only.

[SBD4]

Alright, alright, alright (said in a Mathew McConnaughey voice!!!)....

I think I have narrowed my focus a bit.

Let's put things into categories of importance:
High Importance:
-600Nm torque and 180kW Anything designated as "SDV6" (or "TDV6 3.0" for MY10/11) will give you this
-Low kilometres (the lower the better obviously) Yup
-Cream/almond leather interior (black is just too hot in QLD)
-LR Towbar fitted (for obvious reasons) all have the receiver, you just need to find out if they have they bar as well - easy to get one though if not
-Towing ability tick, every D4 does this with ease
-Harmon Kardon/Meridian sound system (I just love my music!!) Harmon Kardon is the top of the range for MY 2010-2012 (maybe early MY13), for later models there are different levels of Meridian sound systems. make sure you get the one you want. For higher spec audio you will be looking for a higher spec model (HSE or optioned SE or TD(S))
-Trailer sway control (I tow a LOT!! Can this be had in the MY10 vehicles or only in the MY13 8-speed and later cars??) standard on all D4s
-Price (the pockets go only so deep!!) good luck!

Medium Importance
-Colour (bronze good, gold good, white good, black bad!!) Colours you would be looking for are Nara Bronze, Ipanema Sand, Fuji White.
-8-speed gearbox (nice to have but if I have to lose 80Nm of torque to get it...) Remember going to the lower spec engine puts you in the lowest model spec which means to get the audio you want with this engine you will need to find one that has been optioned up with better audio.
-SatNav(yes I would like to have it for the integration etc but if I have to go back to a MY10 model its already 7 years out of date) if you get the higher spec audio you will have satnav, they basically come together
-Reverse camera (it just makes things easy, and we all like easy!!) Most will have this
-I like the woodgrain interior - classy!! (but if I have to pay $10k more to get it...) You can easily order replacement trim to get what you want if you can't find a car that comes with it.

Low Importance
-Wheel sizes (this machine will rarely, if ever go offroad - standard fitment is perfectly fine)
-Tyre choices (as above - standard fitment is perfectly fine)
-Bull bar, side steps, snorkel et al (don't want 'em, don't need 'em!) these will rare, you find more with out which is good for you
-7 seats (only have two kids, and Plugger rides shotgun a lot!!) most D4s have the seven seats just make sure you check if looking at lower spec vehicle as they are the ones that are likely to have only 5 seats.

There you have it I guess.

My question to you all is: was there ever a time where there was a crossover point whereby you could get the non-detuned engine AND the 8-speed gearbox??? If not, I'm going back to the MY12 and earlier models I think. the full strength 3L has always been available in SE and HSE models. 8 speed replaced the 6 speed for MY13 onwards (with rotary dial gear selector)
And, to add another layer of complication, someone suggested I look at the L322 or L405 Range Rover.....[bawl] Sadly L405 way outside of budget[bigsad]

Cheers,
Tricky

Hope that helps!

[veebs]

I understood the SDV6 to be the only one with two turbos - the 'S' standing for 'Sequential'. The exception to this is the 3L engines produced during the time the 2.7 was available - these were the same twin turbos as the SDV6 of later models, but badged "3.0 TDV6". In any case, both are brilliant - the difference in output might mean it takes you and extra second or two to get to 100km/hr. (EDIT - nope, all 3.0L engines are twin turbo. Something new learned...)

If you're looking at a D4, you will be looking at a refined car no matter the year model. There was a lot of learning from the D3 years (also a brilliant machine i'll be quick to add) that made it into all models.

The 8 speed is probably better than the 6 speed, though it is also newer, and so won't have the same data set as the 6. The transmission in the twin turbo models is a revised version from that seen in the D3 and the 2.7 D4s, capable of handing more torque.

Like others, service history is king. If it has no history, walk away. Quickly.

Big service (timing belt) due at ~160-170,000ks, or 7 years. That means any 2010 model will need the work done now, 2009 is overdue, 2011 coming up soon. Something to factor in (Allow around $2,500)

After about 120,000k the lower control arms have been known to need renewal. No issue if you know about it and either don't mind the ride or have budgeted for it. Shocks will become spongy after about the same time. Not too difficult to change yourself I'm told - the airbag and shock is all one unit. Transmissions need a flush around the same time too.

Compressors will also be weak in the earlier models - rebuild kits are available on eBay which seems to work well. Otherwise, new compressors are available ex UK for a fraction of the aussie cost. Replacing can be tricky, though from your other thread I doubt you will have too much trouble!

There is a thread over in the electronics section about retrofitting 'missing' options - worth a look. Means you can, for example, scratch the sound system off your list, as it can be added later anyway.
I have the nav screen, and wouldn't be without it. The reversing camera adds a layer of protection (against bollards / children etc) as well as letting you back up to trailers with ease. (using the air suspension also avoids the need to wind jockey wheels, as you reverse under in 'access mode', then raise to offroad, engaging the tow ball into the socket :-)

My own 'must have' list was SDV6, White, Nav screen, not too many km. I ended up with a 2010 'SE' model (mid range), 100,000km, white, nav screen, for $38k. I've probably spent about $3k on it since then, in tyres, servicing, rebuilding the compressor, and accessories.

Still completely in love with the beast.

[SBD4]

I understood the SDV6 to be the only one with two turbos - the 'S' standing for 'Sequential'. The exception to this is the 3L engines produced during the time the 2.7 was available - these were the same twin turbos as the SDV6 of later models, but badged "3.0 TDV6". In any case, both are brilliant - the difference in output might mean it takes you and extra second or two to get to 100km/hr.
Just for clarity, all 3.0L engines, whether 155Kw/520Nm or 180Kw/600Nm, have twin sequential turbos. So in MY13+, the "TD" just designates the lower output 3.0L (and lower spec model - no more "S" designation as per the earlier TDV6 2.7 "S")

[LRD414]

Hope that helps!
Sean is correct with this: "Remember going to the lower spec engine puts you in the lowest model spec which means to get the audio you want with this engine you will need to find one that has been optioned up with better audio."

However, you will find that most TDV6 3.0L in later model years will have the bigger screen, sat nav, better stereo and reverse camera because this was the most popular option package and dealers brought in many of them. I say "most" but certainly not all. As an example, mine has all these features and it was one that the dealer already had access to as "stock" when I was buying in 2014. This generalisation means that excluding the TDV6 is in my opinion not a good idea for the OP. I'd also put in a little positive vote for the factory sat nav. I find it quite good for nearly everywhere on gazetted roads. Sure it's a bit clunky but I personally don't want a secondary screen & would rather an adequate system that's completely integrated, which it is.

Scott

[DI5CO]

Easiest way to tell if it’s a 6 or 8 speed (besides the rotary dial or lever) is take it for a drive and use the tip-tronic. It will say on the dash what gear the box is in.

[northiam]

Also.
The 3.0 litre has:
Bigger brake rotors allround
Beefer transmission 6HP28 vers 26
Bigger radiator and trans cooler

The 3.0 share the same running gear as the 5.0 petrol

[SBD4]

Sean is correct with this: "Remember going to the lower spec engine puts you in the lowest model spec which means to get the audio you want with this engine you will need to find one that has been optioned up with better audio."

However, you will find that most TDV6 3.0L in later model years will have the bigger screen, sat nav, better stereo and reverse camera because this was the most popular option package and dealers brought in many of them. I say "most" but certainly not all. As an example, mine has all these features and it was one that the dealer already had access to as "stock" when I was buying in 2014. This generalisation means that excluding the TDV6 is in my opinion not a good idea for the OP. I'd also put in a little positive vote for the factory sat nav. I find it quite good for nearly everywhere on gazetted roads. Sure it's a bit clunky but I personally don't want a secondary screen & would rather an adequate system that's completely integrated, which it is.

Scott
I 2nd Scotts opinion regarding the satnav.

[Tombie]

OK, the dealer rang and he said that it is definitely an 8-speed auto even though it has a stick shift and NOT a rotary dial.....

Riddle me that one Batman!!

Dealer is wrong...

[Disco-tastic]

Dealer is wrong...The amount of second hand dealer cars that are advertised incorrectly is astounding. There are less ads that are correct than those that aren't. (The private ads dont seem to be as bad)

Typical ones are saying its an 8spd when its a 6spd, calling it a HSE when it clearly has SE on the boot in the pictures, and calling it a 5 seater when it has 7. They can also miss things like rear aircon, premium stereo and ediff - its a real pain to compare cars via the ads!

You really have to do a bunch of research, and use something like Topix to check the VIN to see whats actually on the car.

[veebs]

Yep, mine advertised as a 2.7 TDV6, despite actually being the 3.0 :-)

[cripesamighty]

Veebs, that would have been a nice surprise!

[veebs]

Veebs, that would have been a nice surprise!

I spotted it pretty quickly - but erm, neglected to point it out before signing the deal!

[letherm]

I spotted it pretty quickly - but erm, neglected to point it out before signing the deal!

Caveat venditor [smilebigeye]


Martin

[rar110]

Stick shift 8 speed only happened in the RRS L494. All D4 and RRVs with rotary dial are 8 speed. All D4s and 2006+ L322s with a stick are 6 speed.

[Archangel007]

Dealer is wrong...

Here is the ad guys, feel free to throw stones....
We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-15190339?_ga=2.160788788.887762450.1509144086-2036419777.1490755507&_gac=1.219235179.1507970840.CjwKCAjw64bPBRApEiwAJh G-fusF-9ZTnihtbS4PjzSxdddxoGJUJabWY5Bh0WnF-dNcTOelOm3IzxoCODIQAvD_BwE)

So, just to be 100% certain, no stick shifts were 8-speed in the D4, they were all 6-speed!

Looks like a VIN check is in order here!

Its got too many km's on it I think for what they are asking, I found a neato RRS with 80k km's o it though for much less!! Don't understand that really. Thoughts people of L320 instead - I mean aren't they basically the same vehicle underneath??

Cheers,
Tricky

[Archangel007]

Big service (timing belt) due at ~160-170,000ks, or 7 years. That means any 2010 model will need the work done now, 2009 is overdue, 2011 coming up soon. Something to factor in (Allow around $2,500)

After about 120,000k the lower control arms have been known to need renewal. No issue if you know about it and either don't mind the ride or have budgeted for it. Shocks will become spongy after about the same time. Not too difficult to change yourself I'm told - the airbag and shock is all one unit. Transmissions need a flush around the same time too.

Compressors will also be weak in the earlier models - rebuild kits are available on eBay which seems to work well. Otherwise, new compressors are available ex UK for a fraction of the aussie cost. Replacing can be tricky, though from your other thread I doubt you will have too much trouble!

There is a thread over in the electronics section about retrofitting 'missing' options - worth a look. Means you can, for example, scratch the sound system off your list, as it can be added later anyway.
I have the nav screen, and wouldn't be without it. The reversing camera adds a layer of protection (against bollards / children etc) as well as letting you back up to trailers with ease. (using the air suspension also avoids the need to wind jockey wheels, as you reverse under in 'access mode', then raise to offroad, engaging the tow ball into the socket :-)

My own 'must have' list was SDV6, White, Nav screen, not too many km. I ended up with a 2010 'SE' model (mid range), 100,000km, white, nav screen, for $38k. I've probably spent about $3k on it since then, in tyres, servicing, rebuilding the compressor, and accessories.

Still completely in love with the beast.

Thanks Veebs - to be able to back up and hitch a trailer without reverse - get out - check - reverse - get out - check etc etc would be a godsend. I hitch a trailer at least twice a week maybe more!! I would love that feature!!


Easiest way to tell if it’s a 6 or 8 speed (besides the rotary dial or lever) is take it for a drive and use the tip-tronic. It will say on the dash what gear the box is in.

This appears on the dash display Dave, am I right!

Looks like I may have to up-spec myself here!

Cheers,
Tricky

[BobD]

The seller has picked the wrong year off the list. It is a six speed based on the photos so it can't be a 2013 update model.

[Tombie]

The one in that link is not facelifted, and is only 6 speed...

[Archangel007]

The seller has picked the wrong year off the list. It is a six speed based on the photos so it can't be a 2013 update model.


The one in that link is not facelifted, and is only 6 speed...

Thanks guys!!

[TB]

The one in that link is not facelifted, and is only 6 speed...

That said, if everything else is accurate then the price is in the right ballpark. I'd be checking very freaking carefully though!

[Tombie]

That said, if everything else is accurate then the price is in the right ballpark. I'd be checking very freaking carefully though!

Yep. And you can fit paddle shift to it if you so desire.

[Archangel007]

Yep. And you can fit paddle shift to it if you so desire.

WHAT!!!?? :eek2:

[rar110]

Here is the ad guys, feel free to throw stones....
We've taken a wrong turn (https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-15190339?_ga=2.160788788.887762450.1509144086-2036419777.1490755507&_gac=1.219235179.1507970840.CjwKCAjw64bPBRApEiwAJh G-fusF-9ZTnihtbS4PjzSxdddxoGJUJabWY5Bh0WnF-dNcTOelOm3IzxoCODIQAvD_BwE)

So, just to be 100% certain, no stick shifts were 8-speed in the D4, they were all 6-speed!

Looks like a VIN check is in order here!

Its got too many km's on it I think for what they are asking, I found a neato RRS with 80k km's o it though for much less!! Don't understand that really. Thoughts people of L320 instead - I mean aren't they basically the same vehicle underneath??

Cheers,
Tricky

That’s not an 8 speed. Both 6 & 8 speed are very good. I have a 6 speed L322. It’s great. But by all accounts the 8 speed is better.

I’m pretty sure it was the MY14 that was the 8 speed.
This is what an 8 speed D4 gear shift looks like. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/10/729.jpg

[rar110]

Nope, going by Carsales it looks like some early 2013shad the rotary dial.

[letherm]

Nope, going by Carsales it looks like some early 2013shad the rotary dial.

Yes, my NOV 2013 is and 8 speed with dial gear selector.

Martin

[Tombie]

Late 2012 MY13 vehicles was the change to 3.0 as standard and the 8 speed box.

Anything prior is 6 speed, anything with a selector knob is 8 speed..

A year later they facelifted and fitted blacked out tail lights.

That’s all there is to it...

[Archangel007]

Late 2012 MY13 vehicles was the change to 3.0 as standard and the 8 speed box.

Anything prior is 6 speed, anything with a selector knob is 8 speed..

A year later they facelifted and fitted blacked out tail lights.

That’s all there is to it...

A definitive answer, thanks Tombie.....

Well I did some surfing last night, for a few hours, and found a few cars that ticked a few of the boxes, but not all.
It seems that all 8-speeds are the lower spec engines, and all 6-speeds are the higher spec engines.

While I found a few cars that had low km's, say under 120,00km, and had 8-speed boxes, only one or two had the infotainment system and none had the beige or creme interior or the exterior colour I like. If I found one (yes, I literally found one!!) with the creme or beige interior, it was either too high km's, or it was a 6-speed or both and it didn't have the infotainment/GPS... it seems that the light coloured interior accounted for around 5% of new car sales in the Disco!! Most were ordered with the dark grey or black interior! Add to that a preference for either the Nara Bronze, Ipanema Sand or Fuji White and its virtually impossible.

So either I buy one with the dark interior, low km's, 6-speed and high spec engine, or continue searching ad nauseum until I find what I am looking for - which I think is trying to find rocking horse kaka!! The other alternative is to buy a RRS with low km's (found a MY10 with under 70k km's, and many with under 90k km's) with the creme/almond/beige interior and all the fruit but with a 6-speed gearbox and the higher spec engine - for the same or less money!

Right now I'm leaning towards the RRS! They just seem to offer better value in that it ticks all the boxes (higher spec engine, infotainment/GPS, reverse camera, sunroof, H/K sound system etc etc) except one - 8-speed gearbox! Sorry guys I so want a D4 but goddamn its almost impossible trying to find the right car!

Decisions, decisions!!

Cheers,
Tricky

[veebs]

Interesting - I had the opposite problem, where seemingly every car had the creme interior, where my (our) preference was the black...

I'd suggest waiting a little bit longer for the right beast to come up for sale before giving up on the mighty D4. :-)

[Tombie]

All the 8 speeds you can find are low output? Wow!

8 speed TDV6 3.0 are “low”
8 speed SDV6 3.0 are “high”

Any spec SE or above will have the SDV6 standard.

[TB]

There are too many Discos being advertised as 8 speed when they have only the 6 speed tranny. The interior photo is the key: if it has the pistol shifter, it's a 6 and the seller is mistaken or lying. (Or I am!)

[Archangel007]

All the 8 speeds you can find are low output? Wow!

8 speed TDV6 3.0 are “low”
8 speed SDV6 3.0 are “high”

Any spec SE or above will have the SDV6 standard.

Sorry Tombie you are correct in what you are saying - I told you I needed some schoolin'!!

Did some more searching on CarSales and they all seem well out of my budget!

I guess I will keep looking!

Cheers,
Tricky

[Archangel007]

There are too many Discos being advertised as 8 speed when they have only the 6 speed tranny. The interior photo is the key: if it has the pistol shifter, it's a 6 and the seller is mistaken or lying. (Or I am!)

I had one dealer tell me that I was wrong, it was a stick shift 8-speed, and that everyone on the forum was wrong too!! This went on to the point of anger and that we (well you guys, not me, I am uneducated here) were wrong and full of poo!!

Go figure!

[veebs]

I had one dealer tell me that I was wrong, it was a stick shift 8-speed, and that everyone on the forum was wrong too!! This went on to the point of anger and that we (well you guys, not me, I am uneducated here) were wrong and full of poo!!

Go figure!

Take him for a test drive, stick it in command shift, and ask how to get an "8" to show on the dash whilst driving... :-)

[rar110]

...

[TB]

You could also just sign up for a free account at TOPIX, and do a VIN search. That’ll shut ‘em up.

[Archangel007]

Thanks TB, I think I will do just that!!

Hopefully it will shut a few of the knobs up!!

Cheers,
Tricky

[BobD]

I think there might be some confusion amongst dealers because Range Rover Sports with the 8 speed have gear levers like the 6 speed D4's. 8 speed D4's do not have a gear lever.

[Russrobe]

As much as I hate to mention it, if you're looking for out of warranty vehicles beware that although unlikely, if you do spin a bearing on any of the D3/D4 diesel engines, you're going to need to replace it, which won't be cheap...
With all the talk of (unlikely but possible) engine failure I ruled out the 3.0l as I knew if an engine went I couldn't afford to replace it. Although with the TDV6 2.7 I have plenty of affordable options...

Worth considering with any second hand vehicle in my opinion is worst case scenarios and this is it for the D4... 2 people on this forum spun a bearing in a 3.0l in September alone I believe...

Good luck with your choice!

[Archangel007]

As much as I hate to mention it, if you're looking for out of warranty vehicles beware that although unlikely, if you do spin a bearing on any of the D3/D4 diesel engines, you're going to need to replace it, which won't be cheap...
With all the talk of (unlikely but possible) engine failure I ruled out the 3.0l as I knew if an engine went I couldn't afford to replace it. Although with the TDV6 2.7 I have plenty of affordable options...

Worth considering with any second hand vehicle in my opinion is worst case scenarios and this is it for the D4... 2 people on this forum spun a bearing in a 3.0l in September alone I believe...

Good luck with your choice!

Russ,
I deliberately precluded the 2.7 litre as I wanted as much pulling power as possible seeing as I tow a car trailer regularly! What are the different options for the 2.7 litre?? Is this bearing failure a common ailment for the 3.0 litre? I thought the 3.0 litre was a very refined engine with very little 'prevalent' maladies! Please correct me if I'm wrong....

Cheers,
Tricky

[Tombie]

Russ,
I deliberately precluded the 2.7 litre as I wanted as much pulling power as possible seeing as I tow a car trailer regularly! What are the different options for the 2.7 litre?? Is this bearing failure a common ailment for the 3.0 litre? I thought the 3.0 litre was a very refined engine with very little 'prevalent' maladies! Please correct me if I'm wrong....

Cheers,
Tricky

Tricky

Don’t worry too much... forums are renown as a melting pot of “all things bad” when it comes to vehicles...

You’ll see people on here having all sorts of worries and troubles.. and they’re the most common posts.. because when in trouble people seek advice..

What you won’t see in proportion, is the people whose vehicles are just “getting on with the job” without issue or failure...

Those people only occasionally post modification or trip threads!

Buying ANY vehicle is like taking part in a lottery... you can never guarantee the unforeseen, just look for a good solid example with good history (used) or buy new and have the warranty...

My D4 has been a champion.. 2 non critical warranty issues (squeak and seat foam in one bolster). Other than that it gets used, is modified and is serviced regularly.

It does partially come down to how you treat the vehicle, your definition of “nice”, “gentle”, “respectful”, “mechanically sympathetic” in relation to its use. I don’t baby mine, it works hard, but is treated with respect and pampered accordingly - no dodgy fixes, cheap parts or hack mechanic work!

[Archangel007]

Sage advice there Tombie, thanks mate!!

Found a couple that fit the bill!

Cheers,
Tricky

[Russrobe]

Sage advice there Tombie, thanks mate!!

Found a couple that fit the bill!

Cheers,
Tricky

Tricky, engine problems completely aside, mine had more work done to it than a complete engine replacement would cost within the first 3 months.
Luckily because I bought from a decent dealer and not privately it was all done under the statutory 3 month warranty.
They're not cheap to own if things go wrong (NO 4x4 is!!!), and I'm not going to do some rubbish sugar coating that will send people into more debt than they can afford. ALL of this was done before my D4 even left the tarmac, it was never used off-road, it was used as a Mums taxi for 180,000kms prior to me owning it by a Perth city mayors wife.

If you buy ANY 4x4 privately and max out your budget, with no warranty you could end up with a 2.8t paperweight sitting in your garage. Let's rattle off some parts, although I seem to have been thrown into the category of "Those people only occasionally post modification or trip threads!", even though I've posted more about replacing all 4 air struts, diagnosing faults, spare parts lists and have travelled over 5000kms off bitumen within the last 12 months, do my own 6 month interval service (unlike some others who get a dealer to do everything).

Here's how the first 3 months went down on mine.:

Replace leaking transfer case. $1400+

Replace front lower control arms $1200+

Full transmission rebuild $6400

Replace torque converter.

Replace air compressor $1000

$10, 000 total

All done for free under statutory 3 month warranty.

All that aside, it's the best vehicle i've ever owned, and having a 4x4 has taken us places no car would.

Since the above list, replace lower steering column due to seized uni-joint (this week - $200), replace faulty SRS airbag sensor ($160), replace 4 x complete air struts - due to worn shocks causing excessive heel and toe tyre wear @ 190,000km--$2600 (Self install). All typical of a 4x4 with the kms mine has.

Buy from a reputable dealer with full service history from Land Rover or a Land Rover specialist and pick it to bits within the first 3 months.

People will take the **** out of large used car dealers now, which saved me $10k, they are obliged by law stick to the 3 month statutory warranty privately you get nothing.

btw i had the exact same budget as you, If i'd brought privately and had these issues, I'd literally have a paperweight in my garage as There wasn't $10k leftover to repair it! Just speaking from my experience of nearly an identical car, identical budget, within the last 12 months ;)

Good luck.

Russ

[Tombie]

Good write up Russ... [emoji6]

That’s a good representation and a good reason to ensure the vehicle has had regular transmission servicing.

I fitted the Steel Pan @ 40k and changed the fluid each 40k since (twice so far).

I’m just shy of 130k now and much of it offroad.

Work/Repairs carried out:
Front lower arm bushes (in my workshop) $400

Front and Rear Discs and Akebono pads (upgrade not repair as the originals had done 25k when pulled and were mint) still on this lot. $750 - done in my workshop.

Timing belts and idlers $1100 done and dusted by the dealer at 100k

Other than that everything else has been standard servicing or modifications..

I pay the dealer to do the servicing as they are cost competitive to me doing it myself.

I have so much on my plate it’s not worth me servicing the vehicle yet - I’ve done that for all vehicles up until the current 2 we have (there’s a D90 in Mrs Tombies driveway and it’s under warranty).

Once I clear my current projects from my workshop the vehicles will likely start my home servicing routine...

Choose wisely, Russ has some good advice - if you can find a dealer supported unit you have some protection...

Best of luck to you.

[Russrobe]

Yes, I insisted on full service history by Land Rover, and although that didn't pay off for the above parts even after a major service just 3000 kms before I purchased it by Barbagallo Land Rover, there's always a risk that someone has been given a big bill and decided to trade it in instead of replacing the parts. I'd say that's what happened here. In saying that, it was an intermittent problem, the vibration from the trans/torque converter, so easily missed.

I still wouldn't buy one without full reputable dealer servicing, as the 2.7l runs perfectly, all fluids are immaculate, free from any grit, and is a testament to their work at now 220,000 kms.

I've been going back to either Land Rover or Rover Tech for the majors and just doing the oil and filters every 6 months/7500kms so far, racked up 40,000 already!

I know what you mean about not having enough time! Mine's been sitting on jack stand for the past 4 weeks, it took me 2 weeks to do the <2 hour job of cleaning and adjusting the park brake and another week to do this damn uni joint! By the way, the car's not (safely) driveable with this uni joint seized, you'll be spinning the wheel for a turn then feel like you've lost all power steering then 1/4 turn later have it spinning out of your hand from extra pressure, chose to park it up, strip it, and wait for parts before it went into a curb or worse...

Was just having a dig Tombie, forum would be boring without the occasional bickering! Worst way of communicating this text only though, it's caused my wife and I many a arguments while FIFO.

I've had the previously mentioned engine failure issue on my mind too much as we are looking to sell our 3rd car and turn the D4 into a daily + tourer instead of tourer only... Your point of view has helped put my mind at ease greatly.

[Tombie]

[emoji41]

[Archangel007]

Thanks Russ and Tombie!

I have found one or two that fit my needs but have to hold off for a bit now. Our house sold last night so we are now furiously getting everything sorted for settlement which includes emptying the workshop - no easy task let me tell you!

Then, we have to move to HB and settle there before the kids start in the new school year. We most likely will build again to get exactly what we want - another workshop for me and a studio for the wife! - so that might take another six months!!

But in the meantime I will keep looking. If the right vehicle comes up I might just have to convince the wife its prudent to act! I don't want to be driving the Nissan any more than I have to - arrrghhhh!

Cheer and thanks,
Tricky

[scarry]

Good write up Russ... [emoji6]

That’s a good representation and a good reason to ensure the vehicle has had regular transmission servicing.

I fitted the Steel Pan @ 40k and changed the fluid each 40k since (twice so far).

I’m just shy of 130k now and much of it offroad.

Work/Repairs carried out:
Front lower arm bushes (in my workshop) $400

Front and Rear Discs and Akebono pads (upgrade not repair as the originals had done 25k when pulled and were mint) still on this lot. $750 - done in my workshop.

Timing belts and idlers $1100 done and dusted by the dealer at 100k

Other than that everything else has been standard servicing or modifications..

I pay the dealer to do the servicing as they are cost competitive to me doing it myself.

I have so much on my plate it’s not worth me servicing the vehicle yet - I’ve done that for all vehicles up until the current 2 we have (there’s a D90 in Mrs Tombies driveway and it’s under warranty).

Once I clear my current projects from my workshop the vehicles will likely start my home servicing routine...

Choose wisely, Russ has some good advice - if you can find a dealer supported unit you have some protection...

Best of luck to you.

Lucky you,

If i could find one like that around here,i would use them...

All my other vehicles are dealer serviced,but not the LR,for good reason.

The Indie that does the(LR) work is around 50% to 60% the cost,and the work is done properly.



Well said,both Tombie and Russ.[bigsmile1]

[Archangel007]

Yes I agree with scarry - well said both Tombie and Russ!!

Well news of a sort I guess - the house is under contract and we have put in an offer on a block of land that is 550m from the beach - which appeases the wife greatly!! So, now its sort out the new house design, build, then buy new car! Its still a way off but we are edging closer to the day whereby I will have a Land Rover in the garage!

Cheers and thanks all for the great input,
Tricky