NSW Classic/Historic Registration Scheme - Club Affiliation.

[101RRS]

I am in the ACT and to get one of the various classes of Historic Registration you need to be a financial member of a recognised car club that is affiliated with the Council of ACT Motor Clubs.

I have been looking at the NSW rules and having some problem working through the documents on the various sites.

So, to be eligible for one of the various classes of Historic/Registration in NSW, I assume you have to be a financial member of a car Club. Now does that Club have to affiliated with a central body like the Council of Motor Clubs or can you bypass the CMC as long as your Club is registered with RMC?

Likewise if like the ACT your club has to be affiliated with a central body, in NSW is this just the CMC or are there other recognised central bodies?

Only after information on NSW not other State's processes.

Thanks

Garry

[V8Ian]

Gary, look through this site, these blokes are all over clubs and club rego.

https://www.hcvc.com.au/forum

You could even sign-up and ask the question.
There is also an area for guests to post.

Topics in Public Post Area (1/4) - Historic Commercial Vehicle Club of Australia - Historic Commercial Vehicle Club of Australia (https://www.hcvc.com.au/forum/public-post-area)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Garry

In NSW for the Historic Vehicle Scheme you have to be a member of a club that is approved by the RMS and that includes the ACT car clubs. Your approved club doesn't have to be a member of the Council of Motoring Clubs NSW (CMC) or the Council of Heritage Motoring Clubs NSW (Bush Council).

For the Classic Vehicle Scheme you have to be a member of a club that is affiliated with the CMC, Street Rods asn, 4WD NSW and ACT, Council of ACT Motoring Clubs etc that are affiliated with the ACMC. And some other peak motoring bodies.

[101RRS]

Ian - thanks for that link - I will sign up and go through some of the interesting information there.

Diana - thanks for your information - exactly what I was looking for - clarifys things for me. [bigsmile1]

Thanks

garry

[101RRS]

A couple of more questions if I may on both the NSW and Vic schemes.

NSW - 60 day log book scheme (trial to be extended another 2 years) - please confirm that this trial allows 60 days use of the vehicle for any purpose and that the 60 days is inclusive of Club events? There seems to be a bit of confusion on this last bit as the NSW Minister in a recent interview said it was 60 days exclusive of Club events so you could use your car for 60days and if there were another 15 days for Club use this meant you were OK for 45 days a year.

Also after the trial - assuming the log book scheme is introduced - will the old CVS scheme still be offered as an alternative to the log book scheme?

VIC - is the 90 day log book scheme inclusive or exclusive of Club event days? Also is the old style permit scheme where the vehicle can only be used for club events etc still available as an alternative to the log book scheme.

Where I am coming from - the Council of ACT Motor Clubs is drafting a proposal for comment and consideration by its clubs to introduce a 60 day log book scheme that is inclusive of club days. This new scheme will replace the old style scheme of club use only so it would not longer be available. I am a member of the Council and when the proposal is drafted, I will need to take a position to my club (Landrover Club ACT) for their consideration, so the above information will help with these considerations.

Thanks

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

In the Vic scheme, Garry, the 90 days is a maximum of all trips including club trips.

There is no other scheme in Victoria that I know of.

[grey_ghost]

What he said /\ /\

[numpty]

In NSW the 60 days is exclusive of club trips. That is to say you have 60 days private use as well as club trips.

At our recent club meeting I asked for Corowa Swim In and LR 70th at Cooma to be added to the club calendar so as not to impact my 60 days too much and that was duly done.

[101RRS]

Thanks for those comments - pretty clear. Is the old system in NSW still available as an alternative to the 60 day system?

Cheers

Garry

[mick88]

The club I am in is a border club, so we have both Vic. and NSW club plates available to our members, plus we are one of clubs trialling the RMS log book scheme.
At present RMS (NSW) has extended the log book trial for a further two years to October 2019, I think it is.
Currently there are no log books, just a foolscap sheet printed off. The RMS log book system allows for 60 days of use, however recognised club events don't require a log book entry.
The club that I am in has a ruling that our RMS log book holders must have an entry in the log book for all use of their vehicle.
In Victoria you can get either 45 or 90 days up front, or just 45, then if you look like you need to extend, pay Vicroads for a further 45 days, and have the book stamped accordingly.
In Vic. all movements once over 100 metres from your driveway where the vehicle is normally garaged, must be entered into your log book.
You can test drive the vehicle but must be less than 100 metres from your driveway.
One important thing to note is that you must be a "financial" member of the club, otherwise you are deemed to be driving an unregistered vehicle, so our club really pushes the issue, pay your annual subs at or by the due date, the AGM, and 99% of our members adhere to this. The plates are "non transferable" so must be handed in if the vehicle is sold.
It (Vic and NSW) is a fantastic scheme and allows people who enjoy owning older motor vehicles the pleasure of driving them on a limited use permit without paying exorbitant registration fees, and the majority of vehicle owners wouldn't get anywhere near filling a 45 or 60 day log book in a year, especially if you have several vehicles on the scheme.

Cheers, Mick.

[numpty]

Thanks for those comments - pretty clear. Is the old system in NSW still available as an alternative to the 60 day system?

Cheers

Garry

It was last year Garry, so I expect it still runs, as there were some clubs who didn't want to be a part of it for whatever reasons.

[101RRS]

Thanks for all the comments - answers my questions.

The ACT is proposing 60 days including club trips which compared to the Vic system and the NSW trial system seems to be offering its members a system not quite as good as either. However we have not as yet seen the formal proposal so we will have to wait and see what is offered.

Cheers

Garry

[cjc_td5]

An innocent question, if one was to drive and park for say 8 hours (could be shopping, work or an event of some description) and then drive home, is this considered one trip or two?

Chris

[grey_ghost]

It’s done on a 24 hour period in VIC. The stroke of midnight- so you can do as many trips in that 24 hour period as you like. That’s my understanding.

[Bigbjorn]

Queensland Dept. Transport & Main Roads call theirs Special Interest Registration. Can be used for travel to & from & participation in an "Authorised Event", road testing following repair to a maximum distance of 15 kms. from the address of record, or travelling to & from a place of repair. This latter should not be an excessive distance but reasonable. For example Brisbane to Ipswich might be considered reasonable but not to Toowoomba or Gold Coast. Driving to a parts shop to obtain parts to repair the vehicle is considered unauthorised private use. Using an SI registered vehicle contrary to the rules means you are driving an unregistered and uninsured vehicle. If caught out you may be required to leave the vehicle whilst you arrange for a tow truck. If you have an accident when driving contrary to the rules, then God help you. Your insurers won't.

TMR tell me there is no consideration being given to a log book scheme in Queensland. I recall meetings with the TMR movers and shakers when I was a club delegate to the council years ago. Their thinking appears unchanged from then. That is that TMR has the SI scheme because it is part of the National Code of Practice. It serves no useful purpose. It is something extra to administer. It costs the govt. money in discounted registration. You have to be a financial member of a registered motoring club when you first register your SI vehicle but do not have to prove this when you renew your SI registration every year. The Dept. has been upfront in that they do not intend to act as the membership police on behalf of the clubs. Clubs, do your own collecting.

[101 Ron]

Garry at last count I have 4 historic rego vehicles kicking about.
Only one has a 30 day private use .
What I did was tell my club registar I was going for 30 day private use so he could record it.
Then I went to the registry.. (services nsw) as they now call them selves and asked for it at renewral time for that vehicle.
They gave me alog book and told me it must be filled out if used for private use and carried with me.
If doing a club run with that vehicle I just tell the club registar as per normal and dont worry about the log book.
The private use is a extension of the normal historic rego only if you want it.
The fact is I found little use for it, as I tend to only use my historic vehicles on club runs anyhow and you can only drive one vehicle at a time.
Letting a non club member drive that historic vehicle private use or not I think would deem it illegal.
The system worries me a bit as it is open to abuse and could raise the cost of historic rego though increased insurance and personal injury pay outs etc.
I think thats why it is a extended trail only in NSW

[Homestar]

An innocent question, if one was to drive and park for say 8 hours (could be shopping, work or an event of some description) and then drive home, is this considered one trip or two?

Chris

As GG said, in Vic until midnight of the entry made, so as long as you’re done shopping by midnight you don’t need to make a second entry. If you change drivers, that’s a different story, Vic Police seem to require an entry for each driver but last time I looked, the written rules weren’t clear on this - they may have been changed since I last looked this up though.

[numpty]

NSW is the same. You only have to fill out an entry on the log sheet once and that covers you for the whole day. There is a requirement to put drivers name and signature on the sheet, so I don't think there is an issue with who is driving it, as long as the sheet is filled out.

30 day? As far as I know there's no other trial but 60 day. For what it's worth, I reckon it's a great scheme.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

As Perry suggests, the NSW form requires the driver's name prior to the start of the day's use. It then states "only one entry per day is required, regardless of the number of trips taken that day." This would also imply any driver for any of the trips.

Irrespective of what some people will tell you, the NSW logbook states "60 days of general use, outside of club organised events." so if your club holds lots of events which you attend,you could use it significantly more than the 60 days of general use.