Historic Racing Qld Raceway

[1950landy]

This weekend is Historic Racing @ Qld Raceway. I went up today for practice & T&T day, here are some of the cars there today.
Well I will post them up once I move them from were my computer has put them after Microsoft did an up grade last week.:(

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[1950landy]

Found them [smilebigeye]131339131340131341131342131343131344131345

Apart from the great classic on the track there were also some quite exotic in the car park.[smilebigeye]

[pop058]

Great pics Wayne. Being a George Fury fan, I am lovin' that Bluebird. [bigsmile1]

[Bigbjorn]

Historic racing is being submerged under a sea of tintops too many of which are replicas or fakes and never ever raced in the period. Where are all the real racing cars? Open wheelers particularly those with the engine in front where God meant it to be.

[pop058]

Historic racing is being submerged under a sea of tintops too many of which are replicas or fakes and never ever raced in the period. Where are all the real racing cars? Open wheelers particularly those with the engine in front where God meant it to be.

I am OK with the (period correct) replicas as I can appreciate that the owners of the real ones maybe a bit reluctant to risk damaging something they cherish and is potentially irreplaceable.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

gotta love this [bigsmile]


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/131340d1509088890-historic-racing-qld-raceway-dscn3916.jpg

[V8Ian]

gotta love this [bigsmile]


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/131340d1509088890-historic-racing-qld-raceway-dscn3916.jpg
The Nismo bonnet prop?

[1950landy]

Historic racing is being submerged under a sea of tintops too many of which are replicas or fakes and never ever raced in the period. Where are all the real racing cars? Open wheelers particularly those with the engine in front where God meant it to be.

In any racing you need to accept that you could write it off in the 1st race.
The ex touring cars are worth too much & not too many people will take that risk.
There will be Formula V's & Sports Sedans running .
Back in the 60's & 70's the car that started at the bigining of the season could have had a couple of body changes over the season .
As far as I am concerned I would rather watch any car from the 50's 60's & 70's running with what they were alowed back then , than of the v8 super car of today that only have a Ford or Holden motor & a plastic body & every thing else is the same.

[1950landy]

A couple of Formula V's naked 131371131372131373131374 These photo's were taken on my phone so shots a bit small 131375131376131377
I will have my camera there again tomorrow so should get some better shots.

[pop058]

Wayne,
Could you get a couple of pics of the Bluebird in flight please.[bigsmile1]

[1950landy]

I will give it a go . Will have my digital camera there tomorrow so shouls be able to get some close up shots. Should be able to get into the garage with the old touring cars also.

[1950landy]

131378program for weekend

[Bigbjorn]

Do you mean the people we used to call "the polishers"? The ones who have very nice Veteran, Vintage, Classic, or Historic cars that they never drive only keep in their garages and polish? What is the point of having such vehicles if you don't take them out and play with them?

Go to some of the historic racing events in the USA and UK and see cars with a potential auction value of millions out on the track driven hard.

I can accept a high quality replica of a particular important car if the original no longer exists. But crappy Ford Escort Mk1 1300's converted into fake RS2000's, even 4 doors that were never built. What is the point of these and similar fakes?

But to repeat my original post. Where are the real racing cars? The promoters need to get their reps on their bikes and chase up the owners and get them out on the track.

And Formula V. God help us. Roller skate racing. In their early days when a Formula V race was on the spectators went to the bar and/or the toilet. V races were watched by wives and girlfriends, doting parents, and pit crew.

[rangieman]

Do you mean the people we used to call "the polishers"? The ones who have very nice Veteran, Vintage, Classic, or Historic cars that they never drive only keep in their garages and polish? What is the point of having such vehicles if you don't take them out and play with them?

Go to some of the historic racing events in the USA and UK and see cars with a potential auction value of millions out on the track driven hard.

I can accept a high quality replica of a particular important car if the original no longer exists. But crappy Ford Escort Mk1 1300's converted into fake RS2000's, even 4 doors that were never built. What is the point of these and similar fakes?

But to repeat my original post. Where are the real racing cars? The promoters need to get their reps on their bikes and chase up the owners and get them out on the track.

And Formula V. God help us. Roller skate racing. In their early days when a Formula V race was on the spectators went to the bar and/or the toilet. V races were watched by wives and girlfriends, doting parents, and pit crew.
Mate as a avid anything motor sport i reckon if anyone with anything is willing to invest their hard earned cash and go out and give it a go good on em [thumbsupbig]
I appreciate your said polisher`s and their cars for what they are and the investment involved with the preservation of the icons .
So please enjoy the sport for what it is and the memory`s because if you want these guys to go out on a track and destroy the history all that will remain is memory`s [wink11]

[pop058]

Do you mean the people we used to call "the polishers"? The ones who have very nice Veteran, Vintage, Classic, or Historic cars that they never drive only keep in their garages and polish? What is the point of having such vehicles if you don't take them out and play with them?

Go to some of the historic racing events in the USA and UK and see cars with a potential auction value of millions out on the track driven hard.

I can accept a high quality replica of a particular important car if the original no longer exists. But crappy Ford Escort Mk1 1300's converted into fake RS2000's, even 4 doors that were never built. What is the point of these and similar fakes?

But to repeat my original post. Where are the real racing cars? The promoters need to get their reps on their bikes and chase up the owners and get them out on the track.

And Formula V. God help us. Roller skate racing. In their early days when a Formula V race was on the spectators went to the bar and/or the toilet. V races were watched by wives and girlfriends, doting parents, and pit crew.

I used to navigate (NSW State Rally) in the early 80's in among other things "a fake Mk1 RS2000". It was the vehicle of choice for the owner/driver and he did not have the budget for a real one (if you could have found one at all). Going on your theory "What is the point of these and similar fakes", what would you have this guy do ?, can't find or afford a real one so sit at home and watch it on the telly or build one and get out there and give it a crack ?.

If you removed all the "non-original" cars from the Touring Car Masters, I would hazard a guess the grid would be rather bare.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Gees its a small forest Paul,,
I chased many a rally car around NSW in the 80's[thumbsupbig]

[Bigbjorn]

Ask the owners of the real cars their opinion of replicas and fakes. They dilute the rarity appeal of the real cars and the resale value.

There are probably more dodgy "RS2000" Escorts in Historic Racing than were ever built and sold in OZ. This is certainly the case with Maserati 250F in European historic racing. More racing fifty years later than were built.

I attended a deceased estate auction in the US. The estate of a wealthy business man, car collector and restorer. Amongst the miscellaneous bits were two genuine unused Bugatti ID plates. Sold to No. so and so. $2500 each. Here come two more fake Bugatti. A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me years ago that if one were considering purchasing a Bugatti to regard it as a fake until its provenance was proven beyond all doubt.

There was an infamous occasion at a combined event in the UK hosted jointly by the Vintage Sports Car Club and the Bugatti Owners Club where two near identical Bugatti turned up bearing the same chassis number. Each had been authenticated by their respective club. Much embarrasment, red faces, coughing into fists, and "Jolly poor show".

[weeds]

Ask the owners of the real cars their opinion of replicas and fakes. They dilute the rarity appeal of the real cars and the resale value.

There are probably more dodgy "RS2000" Escorts in Historic Racing than were ever built and sold in OZ. This is certainly the case with Maserati 250F in European historic racing. More racing fifty years later than were built.

I attended a deceased estate auction in the US. The estate of a wealthy business man, car collector and restorer. Amongst the miscellaneous bits were two genuine unused Bugatti ID plates. Sold to No. so and so. $2500 each. Here come two more fake Bugatti. A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me years ago that if one were considering purchasing a Bugatti to regard it as a fake until its provenance was proven beyond all doubt.

There was an infamous occasion at a combined event in the UK hosted jointly by the Vintage Sports Car Club and the Bugatti Owners Club where two near identical Bugatti turned up bearing the same chassis number. Each had been authenticated by their respective club. Much embarrasment, red faces, coughing into fists, and "Jolly poor show".

Have you ever considered organizing an original classic car event/meet??

[pop058]

Ask the owners of the real cars their opinion of replicas and fakes. They dilute the rarity appeal of the real cars and the resale value.

There are probably more dodgy "RS2000" Escorts in Historic Racing than were ever built and sold in OZ. This is certainly the case with Maserati 250F in European historic racing. More racing fifty years later than were built.

I attended a deceased estate auction in the US. The estate of a wealthy business man, car collector and restorer. Amongst the miscellaneous bits were two genuine unused Bugatti ID plates. Sold to No. so and so. $2500 each. Here come two more fake Bugatti. A prominent Australian Bugattiste told me years ago that if one were considering purchasing a Bugatti to regard it as a fake until its provenance was proven beyond all doubt.

There was an infamous occasion at a combined event in the UK hosted jointly by the Vintage Sports Car Club and the Bugatti Owners Club where two near identical Bugatti turned up bearing the same chassis number. Each had been authenticated by their respective club. Much embarrasment, red faces, coughing into fists, and "Jolly poor show".

I know a few owners of original Aussie collectables (and I used to be one, but that is another story [bigsad] ) and they generally don't share that opinion, so we may have to agree to disagree on that point. Sorry no Bugatti owners among them so I cannot comment on that type/class of vehicle.

As far as dodgy replicas go, there are a few more letters/numbers you can ad to the "RS2000" list. Letter/numbers like GTHO, A9X, L34, E38, GT500, GTS, GT, blah blah blah. If the options are having replicas making up grid numbers or only having 1 or 2 (originals) racing each other, you can probably guess what I would vote for.

[1950landy]

All Dick Johnson's car were originally police cars , if not P/C they were Taxi's in the early days .

Paul here are some photo's of the Nissan's. 131394131395131396131397131398131399131400131401 There were actually 5 Nissan's running even a 131402131403

I will post some more photo's tomorrow when I have a bit more time . Will try to post the video's as well if i can work out how. Have never had much luck in the past.:thumbsdown:

There were not many Group N cars running this week end most had gone to Sydney for the Touring Car Masters so there were no GT falcons or XU1 's , Mini 's , ect. :thumbsdown:

[pop058]

Gees its a small forest Paul,,
I chased many a rally car around NSW in the 80's[thumbsupbig]

The (Ken's) RS2000 was white with a red hip flash and the traditional black bonnet. IIRC, 1985 was our last year playing in group A. The car was then rebuilt and modified to compete in the Wynns Safari.

[Bigbjorn]

Have you ever considered organizing an original classic car event/meet??

No need. GEARS do this nicely without the BS, bureaucracy, expense, and little Hitlers of a CAMS event.

[1950landy]

A few more photo's from the weekend.131417131418131419131420131421131422131423 131424131425131426131427 131428 & what can be seen of its power plant 131429131430131431 a gear oil leak from some were.131432131433131434 this thing you could count the cylinders firing on idle & its power plant. 131436

[1950landy]

From what I could see of the motor it was a V8 think it may have been a V6 , anyway a very quick car 131439131440131441 These were in the car park 131442131443131444131445 & some track work coming on to the straight 131446 131447131448131449131450

[1950landy]

131458131459 there were lots of 131460Hyundai XL's running in the XL Series (ex Gemini series ) HQ series was popular 131461
This was a quick car 131462 & this was even quicker 131463131464131465

I took over 200 photo's but some of the track shot were a little too far away for my camera & I have not worked out how to load up the video's as yet.

[Bigbjorn]

No need. GEARS do this nicely without the BS, bureaucracy, expense, and little Hitlers of a CAMS event.

I was referring to the NSW GEAR club. Here is a link to their website.

Classification (http://gearclub.com.au/Classification.html)

The Qld. GEAR Club allows sedans and sports cars to 1978 and race cars to 1990. In my opinion they have lost the faith. The Golden Era was up to 1960 and NSW still adheres to this. I usually go to Wakefield Park once or twice a year for GEARs days.

Note the NSW rules about recreations ( fakes and replicas).

[pop058]

I was referring to the NSW GEAR club. Here is a link to their website.

Classification (http://gearclub.com.au/Classification.html)

The Qld. GEAR Club allows sedans and sports cars to 1978 and race cars to 1990. In my opinion they have lost the faith. The Golden Era was up to 1960 and NSW still adheres to this. I usually go to Wakefield Park once or twice a year for GEARs days.

Note the NSW rules about recreations ( fakes and replicas).

It appears ( to me) that they allow them at their discretion.

[Bigbjorn]

It appears ( to me) that they allow them at their discretion.

In 2012 I had discussions with the GEAR eligibility committee about a project I had in mind. They gave me a fair hearing and indicated that the proposed car did not meet their guidelines. The engine was about 1962 and the car sometime in the 60's either of which ruled it out. I was proposing a car of the appearance of a 1950's front engine GP car based on a sprint car chassis and an Offenhauser 252 lightweight engine. They differentiate between replicas and re-creations. A re-creation is an exact high quality reconstruction of an important car that no longer exists using materials and parts from the era. A replica is a vehicle made to look like an existing vehicle using anything that is available and fits the regulations of the class concerned. GEAR recognised re-creations but not replicas. MY project would have been simply a new car made from old parts not of the period. They did like the idea though and hoped the car got built so they could see and hear it. The Offy was in Shreveport and I had the chassis. I had to decline the offer of the Offy and the chassis went to a good home to have a 600 hp Chev put in.