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Pedro_The_Swift
12th November 2017, 07:28 AM
Any of you Old F - ellas want to relive your childhood,,
This will keep you busy for years..



looking at You Mr Incisor,,[bigrolf]

Download 524 DOS Games From The 1980s - MajorGeeks (http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/525_dos_games_from_the_1980s.html)

Tombie
12th November 2017, 08:04 AM
Sometimes the past should probably be left there [emoji12]

p38arover
12th November 2017, 08:33 AM
DOS Games

Denial of Service?

Mick_Marsh
12th November 2017, 09:29 AM
Where was Wolfensien?
Where was Joust?
Where was Leisure Suit Larry?
Where was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?
Where was Doom?

Pedro_The_Swift
12th November 2017, 10:21 AM
From my poor understanding of computers, I dont think DOOM was a DOS game,,
this is more your speed Mick,,
Original Doom 1.0.3.1 for Android - Download (https://original-doom.en.uptodown.com/android)

Mick_Marsh
12th November 2017, 11:47 AM
From my poor understanding of computers, I dont think DOOM was a DOS game,,
this is more your speed Mick,,
Original Doom 1.0.3.1 for Android - Download (https://original-doom.en.uptodown.com/android)
Doom (1993 video game) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(1993_video_game))
Originally released for MS-DOS. Later, it was ported for other OSs.
I used to play it on NW-DOS.
Back in the good ol' days of computers.

V8Ian
12th November 2017, 12:18 PM
Any of you Old F - ellas want to relive your childhood,,
This will keep you busy for years..



looking at You Mr Incisor,,[bigrolf]

Download 524 DOS Games From The 1980s - MajorGeeks (http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/525_dos_games_from_the_1980s.html)
OLD? Old, it wasn't that long ago.
You rarely see a cash register with £/s/d now, though. [bigwhistle]

Mick_Marsh
12th November 2017, 12:37 PM
Cash register!
Don't see many of them nowdays.

I had my hair cut the other day. Went to pay, it took ten minutes.
SA: "Have you been here before?"
Me: "No."
SA: "Name?"
Me: "Cash." whilst waving a twenty.
SA: "Is that with a K?"
Me: "C." waving a twenty.
SA: "First name?"
Me: "Cash." whilst waving a twenty.
SA: "So, that's Cash Cash?"
Me: "No. Just cash." whilst waving a twenty.
SA: After noticing the twenty, gives me a dirty look. Then after many disgusted sighs, tongue clicking and furious tapping on the computer, "$17.50"

They tell me this is progress.

Dervish
12th November 2017, 12:41 PM
I also played DOOM pre-Windows (3.1 was it?). I was more of an arcade game fan myself though:

Play classic arcade games online for free. Atari, Nintendo NES, Intellivision, Colecovision. Play Free Video Games. (http://www.free80sarcade.com/index.php)

Wraithe
12th November 2017, 02:21 PM
1980's was the era of trying colour graphics...

Tetris was pretty cool, but Space Invaders was being improved in that era, yet I dont see it...

Space invaders was from late 70's(I think from memory, lack of).. I remember a different game that was around before and the some Jap came up with Space Invaders, we all discussed the prospect that the idea was stolen but the Arcade game was better(Plus you didnt have to write the code to get a copy)...

Some of those games in the 80's where popular, but I had found girls by then and work was in the Kimberleys then the Army, thus computer was in boxes most of the year, annoying my mother...

I remember a commodore computer was used by a lot of friends, but cant remember what year...

AAHHHH DOS, many versions, all a pain and even worse if you forgot the basic commands for what you where using... Colour came along around then, 16 diff colours, then 256, then we all said there will be more colours than the eyes can distingiush, soon... Smallest computer by the 80's was Sharp handheld(PC1500???) used by surveyors, had a BASIC os... bought 2 or 3, useless compared to a watch today...

Bugger this, I'm going to drown my sorrows, the things I could have done...

Tombie
12th November 2017, 02:33 PM
DOS was so cute!
Back then I was playing in SCO-UNIX...

Certainly wasn’t the good old days, was days of poor hardware compatibility, interrupt clashes, and all the elements of frustration we now find nothing more than an annoyance...

Nothing like spanning 10 3.5s only to have the last one corrupt etc [emoji41]

bblaze
12th November 2017, 05:17 PM
What about parking the heads on the hard drive,
cheers
blaze

incisor
12th November 2017, 06:48 PM
arkanoid and alley cat!

not to mention doom!

virtual box or os/2 hmmmmm

have the top 2 on my 8bit and they played better there than on a pc

love a $ for every hour i spent playing doom over a modem connection with my mates..

jsp
12th November 2017, 06:58 PM
testdrive.....that was a bad game but seemed good at the time :)

Commander Keen, Jill of the Jungle, Prince of Persia, LHX - the hours wasted on LHX, duke nukem, quake, descent, lemmings ....so many more.

I was such a nerd.............

Toxic_Avenger
12th November 2017, 07:04 PM
Rookies.

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VladTepes
13th November 2017, 10:30 AM
Yep I just bought myself a Retropie set up (Raspberry Pi running game system emulators)

Absolute bargain compared to modern game systems - the games back in the day were just good fun...

All I need to do now is grab the 34Gb of *cough* free *cough* ROMs and I'll be able to play old video games for years.....

Lemmings, Moon Patrol, Xevious, Space Invaders, digdug etc here we come !!!!!

For anyone interested:

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which comes with all the emulators etc already installed (as well as Kodi for casting movies etc)


Here's the RetroPie site which explains all about the free software. RetroPie - Retro-gaming on the Raspberry Pi (https://retropie.org.uk/)


Note you can also run Retropie on a normal PC if you want to....

Mick_Marsh
13th November 2017, 11:22 AM
Ah, but remember the older text based games.

I wasted forests of printout playing SuperTrek on the Data General.

Wraithe
13th November 2017, 11:41 AM
Games, nah... I still remember the first hard drive I seen for the personal computer... So wanted to buy it but weekly wage was $100 per week and the hard drive was $1,000... It had a huge amount of storage, 1 meg....I could have put 6 single sided floppy's on that...

Prior to having a floppy drive, my only storage was a tape drive, I always got a belting for some unknown reason(some thing to do with Mum's music tapes not being any good after saving computer data to)...

During the 80's, the hard drives just stated growing, 5 meg to 20 meg within a few years, then IDE came out at the end, that was a leap... The Biggest drive I seen in the 80's was a 60 meg from an IBM model 34(I think it was that model), the drive weighed about 50 kilos and the machine had 2... Pity I couldn't connect it to computer, but alas no way of working that out at the time...


Memories, what happened to the last 30+ years, oh yeh kids started arriving...

Homestar
13th November 2017, 11:49 AM
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Tombie
13th November 2017, 01:05 PM
I can remember the Spec build on my DEC P90.. in the 1990s..
DAT drive, SCSI HDD Array...
all for the princely sum of $9900

And we were blown away at how “quick” it was!

Markf
13th November 2017, 01:25 PM
And who could forget "You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike."

A game written in the days when the PDP-10 was king and when I was a pretty new System Admin.
A potted history of Adventure can be seen here A history of 'Adventure' (http://rickadams.org/adventure/a_history.html)

It's still a game that'll keep a teenager occupied for a while... [bigsmile1]

cripesamighty
13th November 2017, 03:53 PM
I remember playing Adventure in the early 1980's when I was doing work experience at Mt Newman House while still in high school. Holy crap, that's a blast from the past!

Mick_Marsh
13th November 2017, 05:41 PM
And who could forget "You are in a twisty maze of passageways, all alike."

A game written in the days when the PDP-10 was king and when I was a pretty new System Admin.
A potted history of Adventure can be seen here A history of 'Adventure' (http://rickadams.org/adventure/a_history.html)

It's still a game that'll keep a teenager occupied for a while... [bigsmile1]
I remember working with a graduate engineer who played Adventure on the PDP during his lunch. He stuck paper up on the walls and mapped the game out. The project engineers used to come down regularly to keep themselves appraised of his progress. He mapped out the entire game.

Disco-tastic
13th November 2017, 05:54 PM
Where was Wolfensien?
Where was Joust?
Where was Leisure Suit Larry?
Where was Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?
Where was Doom?Secret weapons of the luftwaffe!

Oh man... so so good!

That and commander keen were my fave dos games. Prince of persia was also awesome but too hard for me as a 10yr old.

Toxic_Avenger
13th November 2017, 06:58 PM
Prince of Persia was awesome. Had a bootleg copy that I got off a mate.

Spent way too many hours playing Commander Keen (My Avatar!), as well as Captain Comic, Monster Bash, Wolfenstein 3D, and later on, the DOOM series.

I had minimal gaming on a DOS box, mainly played Lemmings off an old 286 IIRC, used to wake up on a weekend and quietly type in C:/lemmings.exe into the command prompt so as not to wake up the parents.

Wraithe
13th November 2017, 08:16 PM
And all these memories just goes to show how we are all a group of geriatric old farts...[bigrolf][bigrolf]


Next we will be discussing pounds and pennies!!! and how the older generation kept giving 5 bob instead of 50 cents... I always got a couple of shillings...[bawl]

Fifth Columnist
13th November 2017, 09:12 PM
Wasn't it wonderful when 64K gave you a sense of dominating power!

trog
14th November 2017, 05:48 AM
Not quite sure what language is being spoken here re these games . But I don't think I have ever sat down and experienced a computer game other than solitaire!

Fifth Columnist
14th November 2017, 08:19 AM
The first game was 'Pong'.

NavyDiver
14th November 2017, 01:09 PM
Wasn't it wonderful when 64K gave you a sense of dominating power!

Yuppie- Vic 20 tape drive[biggrin]

Wraithe
14th November 2017, 04:19 PM
Yuppie- Vic 20 tape drive[biggrin]

They where flash when they came out...

8k then 16k, can't remember the chip, oldest I can remember is Z80 and the 8086/8088... Not sure when they arrived and cant remember what the first pc was built from but it was a kit and I stuffed a lot of solder joints before it would work...

I do remember a computer being sold complete, I think Dick Smith sold the first pre-built, but I cant be sure... System 80 came along not long after I started and that I remember as a friend bought one(he had too much money)

I got a vic 20 for a toy, just after they came out...

Tombie
14th November 2017, 06:16 PM
How about the Dick Smith Wizard [emoji6]

Disco-tastic
15th November 2017, 10:20 AM
Relive your memories!

Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (https://www.myabandonware.com/game/secret-weapons-of-the-luftwaffe-cd-rom-30i/play-30i)

Lemmings (https://www.myabandonware.com/game/lemmings-16x/play-16x)

Just for Mitch (https://www.myabandonware.com/game/commander-keen-1-marooned-on-mars-uv/play-uv)

:) :) :) :)

Fifth Columnist
15th November 2017, 10:38 AM
Been a long time since I last played Lemmings. [smilebigeye]

Tins
15th November 2017, 12:09 PM
Doom (1993 video game) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_(1993_video_game))
Originally released for MS-DOS. Later, it was ported for other OSs.
I used to play it on NW-DOS.
Back in the good ol' days of computers.

Good ol' days????? MS-DOS and x86 beige boxes? Compared to my 27" iMac running High Sierra? Nope, nothing good about the old days. I'm with Tombie, sometimes the past is best left there.

Tins
15th November 2017, 12:11 PM
And all these memories just goes to show how we are all a group of geriatric old farts...[bigrolf][bigrolf]


Next we will be discussing pounds and pennies!!! and how the older generation kept giving 5 bob instead of 50 cents... I always got a couple of shillings...[bawl]


https://youtu.be/GtyNLwqljzI

Mick_Marsh
15th November 2017, 12:33 PM
Good ol' days????? MS-Dos and x86 beige boxes? Compared to my 27" iMac running High Sierra? Nope, nothing good about the old days. I'm with Tombie, sometimes the past is best left there.

So, you would rather walk around, tapping on your smart phone, downloading the latest app whilst walking into lamp posts.

Tins
15th November 2017, 12:57 PM
So, you would rather walk around, tapping on your smart phone, downloading the latest app whilst walking into lamp posts.

Yep. You know me, Mick. Of course I would. I'd also rather lie under my D1 getting dirt in my eyes than use DOS again. And I could almost speak DOS back in the day.

Floppy disks, tape drives, CRTs and dial up modems, anyone?

Toxic_Avenger
15th November 2017, 07:15 PM
Another good one- Rise of the Triads. Not DOS though. Another Apogee classic.

Tins
15th November 2017, 07:20 PM
So, you would rather walk around, tapping on your smart phone, downloading the latest app whilst walking into lamp posts.

BTW, I actually have an app called Boxer on my Mac, precisely to emulate DOS. Not sure why. If I want to give myself command line headaches, all I have to do is open a Terminal window and dive into the wonderful world of UNIX.

jsp
15th November 2017, 07:31 PM
Yep. You know me, Mick. Of course I would. I'd also rather lie under my D1 getting dirt in my eyes than use DOS again. And I could almost speak DOS back in the day.

Floppy disks, tape drives, CRTs and dial up modems, anyone?

I still have to support DOS machines at work, and to be honest they give the least grief :) But we are slowly deprecating them out.......

Toxic_Avenger
15th November 2017, 07:36 PM
I still have to support DOS machines at work, and to be honest they give the least grief :) But we are slowly deprecating them out.......

They are still a backup PC at some power stations I'm told...

Tins
15th November 2017, 07:42 PM
I still have to support DOS machines at work, and to be honest they give the least grief :) But we are slowly deprecating them out.......

Sure, they give the least grief because they have the least capabilities. Of course, they are less complex than any GUI OS. NT still works as well. But it's horrible..

Mick_Marsh
15th November 2017, 07:56 PM
Sure, they give the least grief because they have the least capabilities. Of course, they are less complex than any GUI OS. NT still works as well. But it's horrible..

Would have made Pedros file renaming issues easier. Think PC Tools, X-Tree gold.
I used to use Norton Utilities often. People thought I was a wizz because I was able to fix their Windows 95 installation discs.
And my games absolutely flew on DOS.

Tins
15th November 2017, 08:01 PM
Would have made Pedros file renaming issues easier. Think PC Tools, X-Tree gold.
I used to use Norton Utilities often. People thought I was a wizz because I was able to fix their Windows 95 installation discs.
And my games absolutely flew on DOS.

X-Tree was a must have in those days. Genius program. Norton was fine when it was still Peter. I have downloaded the games. Bet they fly faster, even under emulation, on my Mac. Still, I know that isn't fair, the processing speed I have, both core and graphics, would have been science fiction to those guys.

Wraithe
16th November 2017, 12:06 AM
How about the Dick Smith Wizard [emoji6]

Does not ring any bells(I think the bell knocker is stuffed)...

I had a friend talking about the good old days and I didnt remember any of the computers he was talking about, but then he looked up what I said and called me a computer nerd...

I was very young for someone into computers back then, now I am older and starting to realise I can no longer keep up(probably cant be bothered)...

What has disappointed me so much lately, is the lack of advancement in the architecture... CPU's haven't made any huge leaps for so long, speeds havent changed much and it seems the laptops have dropped back a bit...

Example, I thought all laptops by now would 4x core with multi threading as a minimum and 6x core with multi threading would be mid range but it seems having access to 8 threads is the mid to top end with a laptop...

The other thing I thought would have taken off is the idea of a main board having very little control on board but the cpu would contain all that, thus to upgrade it would be a ram change and cpu change... I think it was AMD using the Opteron cpu that was working on that idea...

Another thing thats dropped to the way side is multiple CPU boards, I've been thinking of building a desktop and cn find very few multiple cpu boards and next to none that can take a decent cpu of modern design...

I would like to build a rack unit with 4 x cpu's(all quad core with multi threading) and prefer 4 ram channels per cpu... 3 x units in a rack would do me, build a basic desktop to act as the server and connect the racks as nodes... But alas I think the model trains will more fun now... Computers have slowed down too much except if your into gaming, and that I am not....

PS, I havent lost my touch, yesterday a friend of mine phones and says his computer just died... I went over, unplugged all internal connections, dull contacts on the graphics connections, pushed it back in and guess what, computer fixed... Took him longer to make me a cuppa than it did to fix his computer... Now just need to install double doors, heads still swelling...

Tombie
16th November 2017, 12:26 AM
Here you go:

A Tale Of Dick Smith's Wizzard | AUSRETROGAMER (http://www.ausretrogamer.com/retrospective-a-tale-of-dick-smiths-wizzard/)

I taught myself to program Basic on that machine.

Mick_Marsh
16th November 2017, 12:07 PM
What has disappointed me so much lately, is the lack of advancement in the architecture... CPU's haven't made any huge leaps for so long, speeds havent changed much and it seems the laptops have dropped back a bit...
I've been saying that for years. The traditional chip has been more or less at it's limits for quite some years now.
When are these quantum computers we were promised coming. I remember reading reviews of them ten or so years ago.
DOS is where the fun is at. I should resurrect the old Sparcstation. I've got a couple there, somewhere.

Wraithe
16th November 2017, 02:12 PM
Mick_Marsh, do you remember how they said "Moores law" would never be broken... I think it got smashed 10 years ago, then stomped on and thrown in the bin...

Still the cheapest and easiest way to process large quantities of mathematical data, is using a cluster...

Half a dozen nodes and one server to act as master and you have quite a bit of processing power...

Imagine, Motherboard/ram/cpu/powersupply/ethernet cable x 20 all connected to a hub and one pc for the server...

I did it with 4 nodes and my desktop... was fun watching projects process a lot quicker and the warmth on cold nights made it nice... Today I have a laptop with 20 times the speed alone but if I built a 4 node cluster with todays cpus it would be a machine...

Concept of quantum computing is interesting but it would be nice if they built a unit for desktops or laptops... Sadly it will be like the parallel processing ideas, took years to happen...

Tombie
16th November 2017, 03:08 PM
Didn’t Moore update his prediction early on?
Extended it to over twice the original timeframe...

Tins
16th November 2017, 03:37 PM
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Wraithe
16th November 2017, 03:47 PM
Didn’t Moore update his prediction early on?
Extended it to over twice the original timeframe...

The drop in technology advances is that much, Moores law is like a pedal powered car compared to a V8 street car... No comparison any more...

I remember reading a computer magazine a month after the latest IBM clone came out, the magazine said it would be released soon, funny, I was using one at a friends...

Like the first notebook in Australia, came out in a magazine a few months later, they said they would be selling them in Australia soon as they have just been manufactured in Japan... I got to poke my nose around this thing, we where commenting about the graphics, 256 shades of grey... The friend who brung it into the club meeting, had just hopped off the plane from Japan, 10 minutes after he got to the meeting, the Notebook was sold but delivery was a week later... My best friend bought it after I said it was the quickest thing I had used... Back then the changes where faster than the media could publish, Macs where even improving quickly, IBM built new servers on new technology and most cloned cpu';s where being improved quickly...

Morry948
16th November 2017, 03:49 PM
Bio Menace..... FTW

Mick_Marsh
16th November 2017, 04:12 PM
Mick_Marsh, do you remember how they said "Moores law" would never be broken... I think it got smashed 10 years ago, then stomped on and thrown in the bin...

Still the cheapest and easiest way to process large quantities of mathematical data, is using a cluster...

Half a dozen nodes and one server to act as master and you have quite a bit of processing power...

Imagine, Motherboard/ram/cpu/powersupply/ethernet cable x 20 all connected to a hub and one pc for the server...

I did it with 4 nodes and my desktop... was fun watching projects process a lot quicker and the warmth on cold nights made it nice... Today I have a laptop with 20 times the speed alone but if I built a 4 node cluster with todays cpus it would be a machine...

Concept of quantum computing is interesting but it would be nice if they built a unit for desktops or laptops... Sadly it will be like the parallel processing ideas, took years to happen...
I was listening to an astrophysicist a year or so ago. He needed to get some time on a supercomputer to do some number crunching. Couldn't get it so he built his own with a stack of PS4s running Linux.

Wraithe
16th November 2017, 05:30 PM
I was listening to an astrophysicist a year or so ago. He needed to get some time on a supercomputer to do some number crunching. Couldn't get it so he built his own with a stack of PS4s running Linux.

Not surprised, it dont take a genius to build a cluster... The movie Titanic had the computer graphics done on a cluster, done the graphics in such a short period of time, they spent days double checking as they thought some thing had gone wrong... It had, there calculation of time!
Unlike a group of individual computers working on sections of the graphics, a cluster has only one computer working, the rest have small chunks of data to process only the computer acts like a central hub, giving jobs and receiving completed work.. This method mean the nodes do a lot more processing and less time bottlenecking the cpu with unwarranted processing jobs, like harddrive access, audio etc etc and the OS is tiny compared to a desktop mpc, thus faster, bit like dos compared to a GUI os...
Oh wow, back to DOS!...

Beowulf was one application for controlling nodes in a cluster... Dont know if its even around now and if it is, its probably pay to use now...

Tins
16th November 2017, 05:33 PM
I was listening to an astrophysicist a year or so ago. He needed to get some time on a supercomputer to do some number crunching. Couldn't get it so he built his own with a stack of PS4s running Linux.


That's a reasonably common practice in the hacker community as well. And PS4s are CHEAP these days.

Tins
16th November 2017, 05:35 PM
Oh wow, back to DOS!...



UNIX, thanks.

Wraithe
16th November 2017, 05:42 PM
UNIX, thanks.

I stopped playing with UNIX about 1992...
I only use LINUX now, may see(and get blinded) an occasional windows system, but prefer to open and close windows using the handles... Occasionally throw things out of windows too!

Wasn't Linus very good for putting his lil' os up on the BBS so we could all see what he had tried to do... I mean honestly, we thought it would never get finished and few would use it except us computer huts.. Truth is, its still not finished, he keeps moving the goal posts and adding or removing things... Hmm now where is those discs of RH5 gone...

Actually when I had my cluster running, most of the control was done in bash in a terminal... Thats all changed, graphical interfaces now(GUI for the modern person)...

AndyG
16th November 2017, 06:43 PM
Ah memories
First game was Zork
Always a worry when you keeep your msdos 1 disk
Pick or turbo CPM anyone
OS/2 was my true love
Bought msdos 3.3 source code once, a snip at $100,000
Took an Australian made 80286 computer to Comdex and creamed the new 80386 :-)
Then i became an AS/400 junkie
Now im a manager with a smartphone and tablet :-(

Tombie
16th November 2017, 07:31 PM
Not surprised, it dont take a genius to build a cluster... The movie Titanic had the computer graphics done on a cluster, done the graphics in such a short period of time, they spent days double checking as they thought some thing had gone wrong... It had, there calculation of time!
Unlike a group of individual computers working on sections of the graphics, a cluster has only one computer working, the rest have small chunks of data to process only the computer acts like a central hub, giving jobs and receiving completed work.. This method mean the nodes do a lot more processing and less time bottlenecking the cpu with unwarranted processing jobs, like harddrive access, audio etc etc and the OS is tiny compared to a desktop mpc, thus faster, bit like dos compared to a GUI os...
Oh wow, back to DOS!...

Beowulf was one application for controlling nodes in a cluster... Dont know if its even around now and if it is, its probably pay to use now...

Very much the theory used by groups such as SETI@Home

Wraithe
17th November 2017, 11:41 PM
Very much the theory used by groups such as SETI@Home

Yep, they have there data crunched using BOINC...

BOINC is the same principle as a cluster, except it uses the Internet as the network instead of a LAN...

Been involved with that, on and off for about 15 yrs...

I did over 6 yrs heavy crunching for different projects... Was in the top 10 in WA for about 6 months...

I stopped for about 5 years, completely stopped...

Setup my laptop up to see how it performs under heavy constant loading and how high I could get the cpu temp.. before starting tho, I stripped the laptop down and redone the heat sinks with paste, cleaned it all out and made sure the vents where clean and the fan bearing was ok...

With all the changes I did to my OS as well, I was able to increase my processing unit credit to 4 times what I did before, in a matter of 4 weeks total...

These new computer chips do make life quicker, and the graphics processor gives you an edge in unit credit...

Mind you, I have a quad core with multithreading, plus the OS boosts the cpu to turbo speeds... I have considered over clocking, but this laptop is over 5 years old now, so to replace with what this can do, I would need 4 times the money, but would get a better graphics processor....

Well thats it for me tonight, Friday night and the scotch is calling loudly....