Y62 patrol

[1nando]

So as some of you know im having to get rid of my 110 for a more suitable family vehicle. The 110 won't be very comfortable with 2 capsules in the back seats.

Anyway i told my boss i was selling my car and he offered me a novated lease on a y62 v8 patrol as part of my salary.
Now the pro's are that i get to bank all the money i get from the sale of my 110 on my mortgage, i get a new car and my boss pays the fuel. From what ive read they are an excellent car but a bit thirsty. According to the forums 11ltrs per 100km on the highway amd 17-18 around town.
As a family bus it will be great for long trips and comfortabl, considering he pays the fuel im liking the idea.

Thoughts people?

[loanrangie]

Nooooo , one of the ugliest pos on the road. My choice would be a pajero if I ever strayed from lr but it would be a full size paj and not a sport.

[1nando]

Nooooo , one of the ugliest pos on the road. My choice would be a pajero if I ever strayed from lr but it would be a full size paj and not a sport.Lol...i must admit i didnt much like the look of it either at first. However after seeing them with a bull bar, roof rack amd decent tyres they do look pretty tough.
I suppose looks are down to the individuals taste.
I cant find any problems or issues, they seem pretty soild.
My preference would be a 200 series gxl but its 15k more.

[justinc]

Take it. The big costs are paid for, and by all accounts they are a good thing...
Possibly boring as bat faeces but coupd be worse, a prado or hilux for example😣

I am interested in driving one to see for myself how different they are to the y61.

Jc

[1nando]

I was watching a few you tube vids of them climbing big red. People were in awe of how powerful they are. They make 530nm at a reported 1600rpm and the sound under full throttle is one of Beethovens best

[1nando]

Take it. The big costs are paid for, and by all accounts they are a good thing...
Possibly boring as bat faeces but coupd be worse, a prado or hilux for example[emoji21]

I am interested in driving one to see for myself how different they are to the y61.

Jc2017 200 gxl Justin? Any good?

Ive read a few articles lately stating that diesel emissions regulations are making diesels unreliable and that petrol vehicles such as the patrol are slowly becoming more main stream. The fuel costs are negated by the fact that diesels cost more to maintain once past a certain point. Ie d4d injectors 8k!
The patrol went from being an unconsdiered choice to nissan now not being able to keep up with demand and having to wait on new vehicles.

[justinc]

Id take the nissan over the lc200... like you have found out the maintenance costs of a petrol v8 vs a modern euro4 diesel v8 are eons apart...

The fuel economy is amazing when you take into account their torque and kw outputs and the shear weight and size of them.

The factory fuel capacity is also huge. 120l iirc.

Jc

[Tombie]

Couple of work mates have the Y62. Very nice to drive.

[cripesamighty]

If it is provided through work with all the expenses covered, then it's a no-brainer. I would definitely take it.

[scarry]

They had a massive price drop recently that certainly increased sales.

Mate of mine has one,he recons it is way better than his TD 200 series,that he still has.

In fact towing his 3.0T van,the Y62 doesn't use a lot more fuel than the Tojo,and it is way quicker.

They are very big though,take a bit of getting used to around town.

It is the Infinity version that looks absolutely horrid.

[Tins]

If you are sitting inside it, who cares what it looks like? My question would be, how does the novated lease package otherwise impinge on your salary? Which way is better for the money? What package would you get if you kept your own car? Everything else is 'not your problem'.

Seems from your original post that it would suit you. What happens to the 110?

[1nando]

If you are sitting inside it, who cares what it looks like? My question would be, how does the novated lease package otherwise impinge on your salary? Which way is better for the money? What package would you get if you kept your own car? Everything else is 'not your problem'.

Seems from your original post that it would suit you. What happens to the 110?My bonus is currently being taxed at a ridiculous rate. The accountant suggested the novated lease as a way of killing two birds with one stone.
The 110 isn't great for a growing family. Ive got a 16 month old and we're trying for our second child. The market at the moment seems to be commanding a good sale price for defenders so it makes sense to get rid of it now. The money i get fpr the defender i throw onto the mortgage and have for when the mrs has time off work with our second child. At the same time allows me to have a new comfortable family saloon, good tourer and get me to campsites on weekends away with the boys. Will it ever do what my 110 does? No! Im hoping the v8 puts a grin on my face and makes up for the lost enjoyment of driving the 110. In a perfect world id have both but.......i have other responsibilities now and have to put my head before my heart.

[1nando]

Id take the nissan over the lc200... like you have found out the maintenance costs of a petrol v8 vs a modern euro4 diesel v8 are eons apart...

The fuel economy is amazing when you take into account their torque and kw outputs and the shear weight and size of them.

The factory fuel capacity is also huge. 120l iirc.

JcWhat sort of kms can one expect from a petrol v8 motor? I know its a impossible question to answer accurately but are petrol v8s good for big kms in terms of engine life?

[justinc]

It is a difficult thing to judge however nissan and toyota have made some fantastic and ultra reliable petrol v8 engines. I've had several Lexus LS series, a 400 and a 430 and they have been without doubt the most trouble free and glorious to drive vehicles (apart from the 110 and my l322 of course😇) i have owned.

I wouldn't worry about their reliability or lifespan😎

[Tins]

My bonus is currently being taxed at a ridiculous rate. The accountant suggested the novated lease as a way of killing two birds with one stone.
The 110 isn't great for a growing family. Ive got a 16 month old and we're trying for our second child. The market at the moment seems to be commanding a good sale price for defenders so it makes sense to get rid of it now. The money i get fpr the defender i throw onto the mortgage and have for when the mrs has time off work with our second child. At the same time allows me to have a new comfortable family saloon, good tourer and get me to campsites on weekends away with the boys. Will it ever do what my 110 does? No! Im hoping the v8 puts a grin on my face and makes up for the lost enjoyment of driving the 110. In a perfect world id have both but.......i have other responsibilities now and have to put my head before my heart.

Sigh.. Another one gone to the Dark Side. Mate, whatever floats the boat. Bloke's paying... Never happened to me, get in while you can... Us LR folk will still be here, when the siren calls.... You know it will....

[PAT303]

I'd take one for a test drive first.I drove a friends around Mandurah last week and it was very tiring work not running over stuff.Parking was a nightmare. Pat

[Geedublya]

I was interested in them until I checked out the load area. Compared to a D3/4 it is very poorly done.

[rick130]

I'd take one for a test drive first.I drove a friends around Mandurah last week and it was very tiring work not running over stuff.Parking was a nightmare. PatIt couldn't be worse than a 130 Pat?

That's one thing that was immediately apparent with the D2 vs driving a 130 and GU ute for the last fifteen years, and a near new BT50 for the last 18 months.

Parking and maneuverability, on and off road is a revelation in comparison.

The current crop of Japanese utes are quite big, the Ranger/BT has a 127" wheelbase, and I think the others are very close to that. They've all increased their size with the last few models.
They make a 110 look compact!

[rammypluge]

The Y62 is very wide, which makes carparks and 'bushstriping' tough, but at least thats better dynamically, for space, etc. The interior is acres of bland, kinda like the exterior. But a test drive should sort your thoughts.

Seems a decent thing with some mods. Saw a goldy/orangy one with aftermarket rims and tyres, colour coded front bar etc, and it looked a lot better. Saw a vid of one trying a hillclimb and the suspension etc just didnt work and it failed, but with the right (uncommon) mods it could go well.

[Tins]

It couldn't be worse than a 130 Pat?

That's one thing that was immediately apparent with the D2 vs driving a 130 and GU ute for the last fifteen years, and a near new BT50 for the last 18 months.

Parking and maneuverability, on and off road is a revelation in comparison.

The current crop of Japanese utes are quite big, the Ranger/BT has a 127" wheelbase, and I think the others are very close to that. They've all increased their size with the last few models.
They make a 110 look compact!

My son just bought a Ranger double cab. The thing is massive. Not as big as the Toyota Tundra I saw on the Monash a couple of weeks ago, though.

[Shoogs]

What sort of kms can one expect from a petrol v8 motor? I know its a impossible question to answer accurately but are petrol v8s good for big kms in terms of engine life?

When back in Oz I have a Defender and my wife drives an 8 year old Sahara V8 Petrol, bought second hand with 30000kms on it and all the ARb fruit, 120000kms now and we have never touched it... lovely car, around town about 16l per100km if driven sedately, open road about 13l per 100km, looked at upgrading to a Y62 and nicer again, if we did. We bought it because a diesel was 30k more it didn’t make sense and still doesn’t.

[ramblingboy42]

...the y62 is a bloody good thing, my last 4 trips into SA have been in the company of one, it absolutely eats up the rough desert tracks and it is very comfortable, very quiet, and just does everything with aplomb and believe it or not it is my mates wifes shopping trolly, so it is not that hard to manouvre around a shopping centre.

[pop058]

My son just bought a Ranger double cab. The thing is massive. Not as big as the Toyota Tundra I saw on the Monash a couple of weeks ago, though.

I thought the Tundra was the F-Truck size competition not the Ranger.

[1nando]

When back in Oz I have a Defender and my wife drives an 8 year old Sahara V8 Petrol, bought second hand with 30000kms on it and all the ARb fruit, 120000kms now and we have never touched it... lovely car, around town about 16l per100km if driven sedately, open road about 13l per 100km, looked at upgrading to a Y62 and nicer again, if we did. We bought it because a diesel was 30k more it didn’t make sense and still doesn’t.4x4 australia has a great write up on the y62 doing cape york. The average fuel economy was mids 13s throughout the trip. Thats pretty much what my 110 is doing now.
Anyway it goes on to talk about how diesels are slowly becoming less desirable due to tough emissions regulations that are making them very expensive to run. Don't get me wrong i work with trucks so i apprecaite and love all the benefits of diesel and truth be told I'd probably prefer a diesel but the more i think about it the more i realise that the diesel engine is slowly being cornered into an area where it will be to expensive to run and maintain.

Rammy your right; its very wide but the space for storage is absolutely huge with the third row down. Its like your in a limo.
As for wheel travel; remember when we were discussing the disco 5? Well my idea of offroad will not be what it was in the 110. The 110 was protected on every corner, this thing is huge. If i go the patrol route ill install a bullbar, sliders, a roof rack, fridge and dual battery setup. It will get me to camp and back in luxury but it wont keep up with my mates nor would i dare take it on such tracks.

The mrs had a look online and loves it. We're going to test one tomorrow at our local nissan dealer. I will also test a 3.2 pajero. I've always had a soft spot for pajeros and thought of them as one of the most under rated family tourers in Australia, they're pretty much bullet proof.
I must admit that im having fun looking at new cars but every time i see my 110 just sitting in the driveway im tempted to come up with a excuse to drive it.
Ill update as i go, stay tuned..

[1nando]

...the y62 is a bloody good thing, my last 4 trips into SA have been in the company of one, it absolutely eats up the rough desert tracks and it is very comfortable, very quiet, and just does everything with aplomb and believe it or not it is my mates wifes shopping trolly, so it is not that hard to manouvre around a shopping centre.It makes 90% of its torque at 1600rpm so it doesn't suprise me

[AndyG]

Your not losing the 110, your making space for a Series project [emoji3]

[PAT303]

It couldn't be worse than a 130 Pat?

That's one thing that was immediately apparent with the D2 vs driving a 130 and GU ute for the last fifteen years, and a near new BT50 for the last 18 months.

Parking and maneuverability, on and off road is a revelation in comparison.

The current crop of Japanese utes are quite big, the Ranger/BT has a 127" wheelbase, and I think the others are very close to that. They've all increased their size with the last few models.
They make a 110 look compact!

Hey Rick,funny thing is Tracey thinks the Defender is the easiest vehicle to park because you can see all four corners,so hates driving Patrols/Cruisers because you can't see over the bonnet let alone the bum end. Pat

[Eevo]

if you are questioning your sexuality, then buy the Y62

[rick130]

Hey Rick,funny thing is Tracey thinks the Defender is the easiest vehicle to park because you can see all four corners,so hates driving Patrols/Cruisers because you can't see over the bonnet let alone the bum end. Pat

Yep, no disagreement there!

The BT by contrast is a shocker, all of us at work park by Braille when reverse parking....[bigwhistle]

[DoubleChevron]

one of the guys on the caravan forum was using a modern v8 patrol to tow with. He reckoned it was phenominal as a tow car .... returning around 35L/100 towing..... Guess why people don't buy petrol V8's!

seeya
Shane l.

[1nando]

one of the guys on the caravan forum was using a modern v8 patrol to tow with. He reckoned it was phenominal as a tow car .... returning around 35L/100 towing..... Guess why people don't buy petrol V8's!

seeya
Shane l.Looking on the patrol forun seems to indicate anywhere from 22 to 30 ltrs per 100km depending on tow weight, head wind, cross wind etc. We dont tow anything so no issue there anayway.
In saying that guys are towing 2.6 ton jaycos and when they hit the accelerator can actually increase their speed up hills, goes to show that you cant beat HP.

[Tombie]

You mean torque [emoji6]

Btw - Discovery 4s can do that (accelerate up hills loaded) [emoji41][emoji12][emoji56]

[Eevo]

a D2 v8 can do that too.

[pop058]

a D2 v8 can do that too.

"A" D2 v8 or "your" D2 v8 [wink11]

[Tombie]

"A" D2 v8 or "your" D2 v8 [wink11]

Yes. Big difference there!!!

A stock D2 V8 couldn’t pull a Sailor off your Sister [emoji56]

[Eevo]

stock d2 v8 has more power and torque than a stock td5 :p

[Tombie]

stock d2 v8 has more power and torque than a stock td5 :p

Who is quoting a TD5... [emoji6]

I specified D4...

[Tombie]

One big question... why did the boss man specify a Y62???

[scarry]

One big question... why did the boss man specify a Y62???


I was thinking that,why not a D5?

[Tombie]

I was thinking that,why not a D5?

Or Sport, RRS, Last MY D4, Amarok V6... all better [emoji41]

[Tins]

I thought the Tundra was the F-Truck size competition not the Ranger.

It is. Kinda my point. I didn't know we had 'em here, but it was RHD. Maybe a Toyota evaluation vehicle os something.

[1nando]

One big question... why did the boss man specify a Y62???He recently bought 2 work navaras, a isuzu d-max and a kenworth of his mate. He can get a great deal on it he reckons. Hes been banging on about the patrol for a while so see what happens.

Anyway today we went and saw the new ti and pajero exceed. The pajeros price point is good compared to the nissa but for the equivalent tech as the nissan or close to its 65k. This patrol is around 79k.
Sitting in both the mrs and i prefered the patrol to the pajero. In fact the mrs loved the patrol. The pajero feels dated in comparison and the seats are no way near as comfortable. The pajero does have better driver visibility and easier to see all corners of the vehicle compared to the patrol. The patrols surround camera system is excellent.
Anyway i dont review cars professionally so I'll just say that we loved the patrol. No egr, dpf or adblue....big and the comfort is amazing. The roar of the engine reminds me of my drag racing dags, as beautiful as one Beethovens finest.
Compared to the equivalent 200 series id be about 20k ahead. Now 20k buys me a lot of extra fuel, in fact on rough calculations of my average kms id have to own it for 8 years before i broke even with the 200, and then theres the running costs of diesel servicing. In saying that the boss man pays fuel anyway.
I think im sold, the mrs definitely is. She said its so big she feels very safe in it...

[1nando]

I was thinking that,why not a D5?We will go have a look at the d5 next week.

[scarry]

Your right about the servicing costs for the diesel, LC whatever,200,79,76,78.

Every 10000K or 6 months,apart from being an inconvenience, is way below industry standard,and the costs are excessive.

By the way,the petrol LC is also every 10000K,6 months.

Push it out any further and there is no warranty.

Oh,and toyota,no roadside assist.

[Ancient Mariner]

I was thinking that,why not a D5?
Maybe he is not a sadist [biggrin]

[1nando]

Regardless of what i end up with i can guarantee it will not be as good off road as the 110. Everyone knows how modified my 110 is and its a beast. Nothing i buy will compare to its offroad capability. However the 110 isnt even in the same postcode for luxury compared to the vehicles im considering. Its got a very comfortable seating position but no mod cons at all.
I wish there were more solid axle choices than Jeep, 70 series and gwagen but there isn't unfortunately. I know some of you wont agree but i just love a solid axel 4wd.

[justinc]

Just looking in carsales and there are lots of 2013 14 15 ones for sale... i would've thought they would be hard to come by???

[1nando]

3ltr diesel?

[Tins]

I wish there were more solid axle choices than Jeep, 70 series and gwagen but there isn't unfortunately. I know some of you wont agree but i just love a solid axel 4wd.

Me too, but the V8 7X series is a disgrace. How Toyota gets away with widening the front track to fit the V8 and leaves the rear untouched astounds me ( Iknow you can get around it, but...). Gwagens are unaffordable and Jeep.... nup. Trouble is, whatever the next Defender is, if there is one, I'll bet it will be IFS/IRS.

[justinc]

3ltr diesel?

Nope. Petrol 5.6....

[1nando]

Me too, but the V8 7X series is a disgrace. How Toyota gets away with widening the front track to fit the V8 and leaves the rear untouched astounds me ( Iknow you can get around it, but...). Gwagens are unaffordable and Jeep.... nup. Trouble is, whatever the next Defender is, if there is one, I'll bet it will be IFS/IRS.TBH if the y61 patrol had a better diesel engine in it i would probably have it as my 1st choice (2015 or newer). Jeep has the payload of a cheese sandwich and id flat out refuse to sell my 110 for a 76 series.
One thing nissan does have is a reputation for a bullet proof drivetrain, something Toyota can never lay claim to. Toyota has the mighty v8 but its drivetrain leaves a lot to be desired. The 70 series clutches are just as bad if not worse than the pumas. At least the pumas rattles but keeps going. The 70s cant handle the torque and slip until they eventually let go. The pajero is a good all rounder but nothing about it is impressive. The y62s suspension has hydraulics which make it act like a live axel offraod. Its a compromise but looks good in the reviews. Never be as good as rhe real thing though.

[scarry]

Me too, but the V8 7X series is a disgrace. How Toyota gets away with widening the front track to fit the V8 and leaves the rear untouched astounds me ( Iknow you can get around it, but...). Gwagens are unaffordable and Jeep.... nup. Trouble is, whatever the next Defender is, if there is one, I'll bet it will be IFS/IRS.

Just imagine if LR did something like that,you would never here the end of it......

And they upgraded the 70 series range and left it as is....[bigsad]

[Tins]

TBH if the y61 patrol had a better diesel engine in it i would probably have it as my 1st choice (2015 or newer). Jeep has the payload of a cheese sandwich and id flat out refuse to sell my 110 for a 76 series.
One thing nissan does have is a reputation for a bullet proof drivetrain, something Toyota can never lay claim to. Toyota has the mighty v8 but its drivetrain leaves a lot to be desired. The 70 series clutches are just as bad if not worse than the pumas. At least the pumas rattles but keeps going. The 70s cant handle the torque and slip until they eventually let go. The pajero is a good all rounder but nothing about it is impressive. The y62s suspension has hydraulics which make it act like a live axel offraod. Its a compromise but looks good in the reviews. Never be as good as rhe real thing though.

Something most people overlook when discussing Toyota's "legendary reliability" is that, if you modify your car in almost any way, but particularly with performance upgrades or tyre size increases, you have voided your drivetrain warranty. Blow your clutch and you are on your own. That isn't a comment on warranty, because, as we all know, there are warranties and then there are warranties. It's more a statement on the attitude that 'we have built this car to a standard, and it will do OK as long as it is within that standard', but they won't back up the reliability myth. Now, I don't know LR's position on this, but heck, EVERYBODY modifies a Defender if they own one.

[scarry]

Exactly,when the guy next door picked up his new Dual cab tray back,they said,modify this vehicle in any way,and your complete warranty has gone.That includes modifying the exhaust.

Toyota do their utmost to get out of any warranty claim,i know first hand,as we have a fleet of Tojo vans.

[Tins]

3ltr diesel?

Now, there's a car I wouldn't touch. Nissan has proved, time after time, that they are capable of building superb engines. And then they put out the ZD30... Sure, they say if you blank the EGR... but that is illegal :wub:. Sure, it might work better in a smaller car.. But LR has used 2.5 TDs in big cars. Toyboata use the 2.4 DiD in things like the Prado. Nissan did themselves no favours when they put that lump in a thing with the mass of a Patrol.

Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS. Not as tasteless as a 200 series, but bling to the max. Subjective, I know, but if I had one as a company car I would park it down the road. Have you considered an Everest?? Not too bad, by all accounts. Got some bling, but not so in your face as the Nissan.

[Tins]

Just imagine if LR did something like that,you would never here the end of it......

And they upgraded the 70 series range and left it as is....[bigsad]

AND, they charge $75 plus K for a bottom spec Troopy, and want you to pay extra for Air! And people pay it! It's a primitive van, FFS!

[scarry]

Now, there's a car I wouldn't touch. Nissan has proved, time after time, that they are capable of building superb engines. And then they put out the ZD30... Sure, they say if you blank the EGR... but that is illegal :wub:. Sure, it might work better in a smaller car.. But LR has used 2.5 TDs in big cars. Toyboata use the 2.4 DiD in things like the Prado. Nissan did themselves no favours when they put that lump in a thing with the mass of a Patrol.

Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS. Not as tasteless as a 200 series, but bling to the max. Subjective, I know, but if I had one as a company car I would park it down the road. Have you considered an Everest?? Not too bad, by all accounts. Got some bling, but not so in your face as the Nissan.

I had a look at those,a lot smaller than a patrol,or even a D4.

Didn't seem bad,and many aftermarket accessories as well,which goes in its favour.A bit expensive for what it is.

Also not a 'heavy duty vehicle',such as a Patrol,D4,thats if you need one.

[1nando]

Now, there's a car I wouldn't touch. Nissan has proved, time after time, that they are capable of building superb engines. And then they put out the ZD30... Sure, they say if you blank the EGR... but that is illegal :wub:. Sure, it might work better in a smaller car.. But LR has used 2.5 TDs in big cars. Toyboata use the 2.4 DiD in things like the Prado. Nissan did themselves no favours when they put that lump in a thing with the mass of a Patrol.

Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS. Not as tasteless as a 200 series, but bling to the max. Subjective, I know, but if I had one as a company car I would park it down the road. Have you considered an Everest?? Not too bad, by all accounts. Got some bling, but not so in your face as the Nissan."Anyway, I saw a Y62 today, in some sort of pearlescent off white. It was HIDEOUS."

Must admit i thought exactly the same. Then it started to look better every day i researched it. I suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
As for EGR blanking, dpf etc, its a bit of a turnoff for me. Im convinced that a good chunk of modern diesel engines fail as a result of all the BS thats required to make them meet emissions targets. Our Mack truck rep told me that the egr system on on Tridents would cut its life span by 25%.
Some dpfs require an hours worth of driving at 80kmph once a week to do a regeneration. A lot of people buy these cars and drive them in the city and dont even realise that they're killing the engine.
One of rhe first things i did to my 110 was remap and close the egr.

[PAT303]

The only vehicle other than LR I would consider is the V6 Amarok. Pat

[Eevo]

Who is quoting a TD5... [emoji6]


i was having a subtle dig at TD5's [bigwhistle]

[rick130]

The only vehicle other than LR I would consider is the V6 Amarok. PatThat engine and auto 'box is a cracker!

[1nando]

Update; so today we decided to go look at the disco 5 at our local dealership.
Cut long story short; i dont like it, Mrs doesn't like it either. Its a shame cause I've got a soft spot for the d4 and in my opinion the d5 is possibly a step forwards in luxury and "fancyness" but a step backwards in practicality in my opinion. I have concerns over the new engines and am not really keen on buying a new realesed model as they still have to go through their "teething" period before all the issues are completely ironed out. The SE model with the extras i wanted would be $85k drive away.

So where does that leave me? Easy, i went and put pen to paper on the Patrol. We bought a my18 series 4 with tow kit, tinted front windows and extended warranty for 75k drive away. We get it next saturday hopefully.

So how did we land at our decision? Well after nissan abolished the 4.2TD in 2006 i never considered a patrol again, that was until my boss mentioned it. Then after some research it slowly started to grow on me. Seems to have no reliablity issues at all, I've contacted some guys through FB that have heavily modifeld vehicles and use them hard and they report them to be rock solid. The drive train is unbreakable. The SPACE, we simply can't get over how roomy it is. Its almost limo size in the second row and with the 3rd row down the boot is huge. Although the third seats dont fold completely flat its not by any means a deal breaker. The amount of car for the price is amazing. Its extremely comfortable and has more than enough mod cons to keep me wondering what everything does. I've left the best to last, that amazing engine! According to all source's its bullet proof and the sound it makes is intimidating. The 110 always put a smile on my face and this thing puts a smile on my face becuase I've got 400hp under my right foot and it goes! Fuel usage doesnt concern me at all as i get fuel through work and the same people that usually complain about fuel are also the same ones that blow money on smokes, at the TAB, or on **** i couldn't give a **** about fuel use. Besides i dont consider 12ltrs per 100km on the highway bad at all and 16-17 around town for a 2.7 ton truck is acceptable to me.

During this search for a new family wagon i thought I'd end up with a pajero, at least i was convinced until thr mrs said she hated it, too much plastic and cheap looking.
The patrol only cost 6k more than a top of the range pajero exceed and its a lot more car for your dollar.

Now some of you will say the d5 is better offroad blah blah blah and your probably right, but the patrol will easily get me to camp, get me back and when i floor it put a smile on my face that no other wagon can offer. Its also a lot bigger which we like.

In the meantime i still have the 110 to drive till it sells but im going to miss its slow progressive nature and sense of invincibility. The patrol doesnt have the character of the 110 and it never will; its a machine and the 110 is more like a mate.

To new pastures......

[Tins]

Update; so today we decided to go look at the disco 5 at our local dealership.
Cut long story short; i dont like it, Mrs doesn't like it either. Its a shame cause I've got a soft spot for the d4 and in my opinion the d5 is possibly a step forwards in luxury and "fancyness" but a step backwards in practicality in my opinion. I have concerns over the new engines and am not really keen on buying a new realesed model as they still have to go through their "teething" period before all the issues are completely ironed out. The SE model with the extras i wanted would be $85k drive away.

So where does that leave me? Easy, i went and put pen to paper on the Patrol. We bought a my18 series 4 with tow kit, tinted front windows and extended warranty for 75k drive away. We get it next saturday hopefully.

So how did we land at our decision? Well after nissan abolished the 4.2TD in 2006 i never considered a patrol again, that was until my boss mentioned it. Then after some research it slowly started to grow on me. Seems to have no reliablity issues at all, I've contacted some guys through FB that have heavily modifeld vehicles and use them hard and they report them to be rock solid. The drive train is unbreakable. The SPACE, we simply can't get over how roomy it is. Its almost limo size in the second row and with the 3rd row down the boot is huge. Although the third seats dont fold completely flat its not by any means a deal breaker. The amount of car for the price is amazing. Its extremely comfortable and has more than enough mod cons to keep me wondering what everything does. I've left the best to last, that amazing engine! According to all source's its bullet proof and the sound it makes is intimidating. The 110 always put a smile on my face and this thing puts a smile on my face becuase I've got 400hp under my right foot and it goes! Fuel usage doesnt concern me at all as i get fuel through work and the same people that usually complain about fuel are also the same ones that blow money on smokes, at the TAB, or on **** so i couldn't give a **** about fuel use. Besides i dont consider 12ltrs per 100km on the highway bad at all and 16-17 around town for a 2.7 ton truck is acceptable to me.

During this search for a new family wagon i thought I'd end up with a pajero, at least i was convinced until thr mrs said she hated it, too much plastic and cheap looking.
The patrol only cost 6k more than a top of the range pajero exceed and its a lot more car for your dollar.

Now some of you will say the d5 is better offroad blah blah blah and your probably right, but the patrol will easily get me to camp, get me back and when i floor it put a smile on my face that no other wagon can offer. Its also a lot bigger which we like.

In the meantime i still have the 110 to drive till it sells but im going to miss its slow progressive nature and sense of invincibility. The patrol doesnt have the character of the 110 and it never will; its a machine and the 110 is more like a mate.

To new pastures......

Hmm. I saw ( and heard! ) one go hard from the lights just today, and intended to pop in here to say; WOW!

[1nando]

Hmm. I saw ( and heard! ) one go hard from the lights just today, and intended to pop in here to say; WOW!Mate, i dying for the day i get a 200 series next to me [emoji16][emoji6]

[justinc]

Nissan Patrol Y62 VK56 V8 | Harrop Supercharger Kit - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Nogtmp_1lfY)

😍😍😍

[Tins]

Nissan Patrol Y62 VK56 V8 | Harrop Supercharger Kit - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Nogtmp_1lfY)

😍😍😍

Say WHAT?? No wonder people fear the Dark Side. That thing is evil.

[loanrangie]

They do sound great, I thought I heard one gunning it the other day but when I turned my head I saw an L322 rapidly disappear.

[1nando]

One of the sadest things out of all this is that LR has lost me as a customer. I love the defender and what it stands for, the d4 seemed like a great compromise between the rough stuff and the family but the d5 is in my opinion more range rover than discovery. I dont know what the new defender will be like, i hope its great...but if it isnt i don't think I'll be having a landy in my driveway any time soon. Its sad that loyal LR customers have been left out in the open, not listened to and made to feel like their opinion doesnt matter. The LR slogan of "above and beyond" died with the puma and the d4 and whilst there is promise of a new defender there is no guarantee it will be any good.
I hope LR is listening and reading these forums;

LR you had your chance to get me to stay loyal and i would have but your vehicles are so far from their original origins and what the brand stood for that I'm now going to the dark side.

On a side note (please note this is strictly my opinion); there was a thread in reagrds to the d5 and how good it was blah blah blah. I haven't owned a d4 or a d5, but man did LR **** up the discovery brand by replacing it with the d5. The d5 is a shopping trolley and a glorified mini range rover. Its not my cup of tea! If its your cup of tea i appologise but its my opinion.

[scarry]

The other issue with the D5,yes i know we could go on for ever:zzz::zzz:

And a bit off topic in this thread

Is the lack of aftermarket accessories.

And it looks like ARB,as an example, have no interest in producing any for the D5.

This will not help sales.

And back on topic,how often are the services for the Y62?

The LC200 petrol and diesel, is every 6months or 10000k,which is way below industry standard and inconvenient,particularly for high mileage vehicles.

[Tins]

One of the sadest things out of all this is that LR has lost me as a customer. I love the defender and what it stands for, the d4 seemed like a great compromise between the rough stuff and the family but the d5 is in my opinion more range rover than discovery. I dont know what the new defender will be like, i hope its great...but if it isnt i don't think I'll be having a landy in my driveway any time soon. Its sad that loyal LR customers have been left out in the open, not listened to and made to feel like their opinion doesnt matter. The LR slogan of "above and beyond" died with the puma and the d4 and whilst there is promise of a new defender there is no guarantee it will be any good.
I hope LR is listening and reading these forums;

LR you had your chance to get me to stay loyal and i would have but your vehicles are so far from their original origins and what the brand stood for that I'm now going to the dark side.

On a side note (please note this is strictly my opinion); there was a thread in reagrds to the d5 and how good it was blah blah blah. I haven't owned a d4 or a d5, but man did LR **** up the discovery brand by replacing it with the d5. The d5 is a shopping trolley and a glorified mini range rover. Its not my cup of tea! If its your cup of tea i appologise but its my opinion.

I imagine that you aren't on your own. To be fair to LR, it needs to be remembered that without the ownership of Ford, BMW, and now Tata, LR would be dead. Tata is the only mob who seem to be making any money out of LR. I hate it as much as you, but maybe, just maybe, Tata are getting the LR brand back on track financially before doing something closer to their roots. Seems to be working with Jaguar. Fingers crossed..

I don't blame you for your choice, and hope you enjoy the hideous POS!!! ( Kidding, sorta )

[1nando]

The other issue with the D5,yes i know we could go on for ever:zzz::zzz:

And a bit off topic in this thread

Is the lack of aftermarket accessories.

And it looks like ARB,as an example, have no interest in producing any for the D5.

This will not help sales.

And back on topic,how often are the services for the Y62?

The LC200 petrol and diesel, is every 6months or 10000k,which is way below industry standard and inconvenient,particularly for high mileage vehicles.Below is all i could find. I may end up using the mob that services our vehicles up the road, undecided. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/876.jpg

[PAT303]

Thats too costly for me. Pat

[Tombie]

Enjoy your new vehicle.
Agree that those engines sound beautiful...

[scarry]

Thats too costly for me. Pat

If they are,don't ever buy a Land Rover and get it dealer serviced.........[wink11]

Still every 10000K by the looks,same as any LC,for Y62.

[Grumbles]

Those service prices seem like an absolute bargain to me.

My JKU Wrangler had six monthly service intervals. Its first and second services were $400 and $600. The third service was $1200, the fourth was $2200 and so it went on from there.

[Owen]

My brother went from a RRS TDV8 to a Y62 and loves it. My D4 will have to do another year but having seen his Y62 real world fuel use and how it drives/performs, i will be replacing the D4 with one. The D5 lost me.

[1nando]

My brother went from a RRS TDV8 to a Y62 and loves it. My D4 will have to do another year but having seen his Y62 real world fuel use and how it drives/performs, i will be replacing the D4 with one. The D5 lost me.The d5 is a massive let down for me. LR has basically taken their existing customer base and said **** you in my opinion. Its a joke with a price tag to match. The d4 is just so much more appealing to me in evry way, the only reason i didnt get a used one is because im doing a novated lease and wanted a new car

[Owen]

The d5 is a massive let down for me. LR has basically taken their existing customer base and said **** you in my opinion. Its a joke with a price tag to match. The d4 is just so much more appealing to me in evry way, the only reason i didnt get a used one is because im doing a novated lease and wanted a new car

Even with exchange rate differences, LRA Screw us here on pricing.

Used Land Rover Discovery For Sale Miami, FL
- CarGurus (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action'sourc eContext=&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d152&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=&zip=33101&distance=50&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=true&filtersModified=true#listing=192235497)

[Zeros]

They might sound ok, but geez the new patrol is ugly! It makes the D5 look magnificent, better fuel economy too and better pricing for D5! Why would anyone buy a Patrol for $90 odd k?

[Tombie]

Even with exchange rate differences, LRA Screw us here on pricing.

Used Land Rover Discovery For Sale Miami, FL
- CarGurus (https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action'sourc eContext=&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d152&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=&zip=33101&distance=50&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=true&filtersModified=true#listing=192235497)

How?

That’s $90k ish here so not much difference at all...

[1nando]

They might sound ok, but geez the new patrol is ugly! It makes the D5 look magnificent, better fuel economy too and better pricing for D5! Why would anyone buy a Patrol for $90 odd k?Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i respect your opinion.
The d5 has an arse that makes J-lo look like an anorexic girl and the new engines are uncharted water, my opinion.
Fuel economy in my opinion is really not an issue. People will buy their lunch everyday and spend more on that than the running cost of a v8 petrol and complain that i may use $10-$15 more per day. Then you have to factor in that the v8 in the patrol will more than likely give me a lot less headaches and greater long term reliability than a common rail diesel with all the emissions crap bolted on over 100k kms.
I paid 15k less than the $90k you mention so for the amount of car i get I'm feeling chuffed. Unless you've sat and driven in one you can't appreciate how great it is to drive.
But thanks for your opinion, hopefully you respect mine.

[Zeros]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i respect your opinion.
The d5 has an arse that makes J-lo look like an anorexic girl and the new engines are uncharted water, my opinion.
Fuel economy in my opinion is really not an issue. People will buy their lunch everyday and spend more on that than the running cost of a v8 petrol and complain that i may use $10-$15 more per day. Then you have to factor in that the v8 in the patrol will more than likely give me a lot less headaches than a common rail diesel with all the emissions crap bolted on over 100k kms.
I paid 15k less than the $90k you mention so for the amount of car i get I'm feeling chuffed. Unless you've sat and driven in one you can't appreciate how great it is to drive.
But thanks for your opinion, hopefully you respect mine.

Hey 1nando, yes totally respect your opinion, thanks for sharing, glad to hear you're loving your new Y62 Patrol! ...it's diverse opinions that make this forum and life in general so interesting. Aesthetics is absolutely personal, that's why I value it so highly in a world increasingly obsessed with homogeneity and formulas for everything we do.

...for what it's worth I reckon both the D5 and the Patrol have big butts! I'm partial to curves too, but it's the compromised interior load space that curved butts on 4x4s deliver that I don't like.

I actually saw a newish Y62 today in black on black! It was big and badass. ...just not my thing. 👍

[1nando]

Hey 1nando, yes totally respect your opinion, thanks for sharing, glad to hear you're loving your new Y62 Patrol! ...it's diverse opinions that make this forum and life in general so interesting. Aesthetics is absolutely personal, that's why I value it so highly in a world increasingly obsessed with homogeneity and formulas for everything we do.

...for what it's worth I reckon both the D5 and the Patrol have big butts! I'm partial to curves too, but it's the compromised interior load space that curved butts on 4x4s deliver that I don't like.

I actually saw a newish Y62 today in black on black! It was big and badass. ...just not my thing. [emoji106]100% agree.


If you want "badass".....pretty hard to beat my defender;https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/1049.jpg

[Zeros]

100% agree.


If you want "badass".....pretty hard to beat my defender;https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/1049.jpg

Now that's sexy! 👍 but I'm partial to the less badass more classic look with standard wolf rims and no bar.

Although, I've also just seen your post selling it and I reckon you're going to regret it!

[1nando]

Your probably right but i have to do the right thing by my family mate so it has to go. I needed a decent family car;hence the patrol and the toy has to go while the markets good. A decison made with the head and not the heart

[Zeros]

Your probably right but i have to do the right thing by my family mate so it has to go. I needed a decent family car;hence the patrol and the toy has to go while the markets good. A decison made with the head and not the heart

Fair enough. All the best.
Another Defender sidelined for not keeeping up with safety regs etc! What were JLR thinking taking so long to address these issues! And we still don't have a next Defender with airbags! Hmmm

[Tins]

As I see it, the biggest loss here, the biggest kick in the guts is Tata's total abandonment of their "base". The thing is, it was a very small base. Toyota can sell more hideous Lexus Hybrids than all of LR put together. Unless you want a Morgan or a Noble, there is no future in making what are essentially 'niche' vehicles, and LR has to become financially viable. To do that, they need to make cars the punters will buy. The D5 and it's variants will outsell the D4 by a huge margin, as it is what huge numbers of people want. But it's more than that. We now have multiple cars on the one platform. The Evoque, formerly Freelander 2, has spawned a Jaguar or two. You watch, there is going to be much, much more of that.

It's hard to blame Tata for that. They did not buy LR to lose money. I still hold out hope that they, once LR is on sound financial footings, will bring a true to it's roots LR 4WD to the market. But I won't be holding my breath.

[Zeros]

Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath...

JLR 2017:

Record sales of 604,009 vehicles, up 16%

Strong fourth quarter with revenues of £7.3 billion, up 10%,
generating pre-tax profits of £676 million, up 17%

Full-year revenues £24.3 billion, up 9%,
generating pre-tax profits of £1.6 billion, up 3%

[Tins]

[QUOTE=Zeros;2747147]Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath... [QUOTE].

They are doing nicely now, Zeros. But they weren't. They have had various owners. Do you think Tata paid loose change for them? They need to see a major return on their investment. Chucking "an airbag or two" in the Defender was not going to do that, nor would it have got the Defender through the increasingly stringent safety and emissions testing. The Defender was selling at less than 10,000 units globally. No way can a major re-engineering ( as adding airbags would be ) be justified on those figures.

• Land Rover global sales by model 2013-16 | Statistic (https://www.statista.com/statistics/387780/land-rover-global-sales-by-model/)

[shanegtr]

I like the look of the Y62 from the front, but they are still ugly from the rear. Quite a few of them around here and they look very wide parked next to a 200 series cruiser.

[loanrangie]

I like the look of the Y62 from the front, but they are still ugly from the rear. Quite a few of them around here and they look very wide parked next to a 200 series cruiser.

Its the rear end and those body lines with that horrid Playdo style rear window shape that i dislike the most, the front is ok.

[1nando]

Its the rear end and those body lines with that horrid Playdo style rear window shape that i dislike the most, the front is ok.Kaymar rear bar will sort out the rear

[1nando]

Its the rear end and those body lines with that horrid Playdo style rear window shape that i dislike the most, the front is ok.Kaymar rear bar will sort out the rear [emoji6]

[Zeros]

[QUOTE=Zeros;2747147]Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath... [QUOTE].

They are doing nicely now, Zeros. But they weren't. They have had various owners. Do you think Tata paid loose change for them? They need to see a major return on their investment. Chucking "an airbag or two" in the Defender was not going to do that, nor would it have got the Defender through the increasingly stringent safety and emissions testing. The Defender was selling at less than 10,000 units globally. No way can a major re-engineering ( as adding airbags would be ) be justified on those figures.

• Land Rover global sales by model 2013-16 | Statistic (https://www.statista.com/statistics/387780/land-rover-global-sales-by-model/)



I guess you missed the irony in my post.

PS: I'd have to pay $588 year to see that graph.

[1nando]

Update;

Picked up the patrol today. Managed 145kms and a massive smile whilst doing it. The power and noise it makes under throttle would put a smile on any blokes face. Its just raw power!

One thing i dont love;
the steering is very light for a 2.7 ton vehicle. There isnt much feed back. Over time I'll get used to it.

Even my daughter was staring in awe at how much space she had in the back seat.
There is literally enough room for 3 nfl fowards in the back seat.

The space is great but also makes it a massive vehicle to park. Parking it on a narrow street really sgows how wide it actually is compared to other cars. Even with the mirrors tucked in they still stick out.

The rear lights arent my favourite feature thats for sure. Might change those eventually to the USA styles lights.

The seats are amazing, extremely comfotable and probably one of the best I've sat in. The controls all feel solid and well made, typical Japanese.

So theres the update. Love it, a couple of things that i have to compromise but all in all its a great car so far.

Does not have the character of the 110, the road feel or the presence. The 110 putts along beautifully and has always provided me with great driving pleasure, i dont think the patrol will ever match it. The Patrol feels almost artificial compared to the defender but im no journalist and comparing the both of them is like comparing a heavy weight boxer to a marathon runner. They are good at different things and different is the way I've had to go to suit my family and our needs.

[shanegtr]

Whats the 3rd row seating like? As someone with 4 kids im always interested to know what the seating is like in the very back. The great thing with my D3 is I (182cm tall) can sit reasonably comfortably in the 3rd row

[1nando]

Whats the 3rd row seating like? As someone with 4 kids im always interested to know what the seating is like in the very back. The great thing with my D3 is I (182cm tall) can sit reasonably comfortably in the 3rd rowTeenagers or smaller no issue at all. Adults would depend on the size. Im exactly 183 (6foot) its not bad compared to the pajero, pajero sport, mux and d5. There all about the same to be honest. The big plus wirh the patrol is you get cup holders and the seats aren't bad and quiet comfy

[1nando]

Update; so i was driving home past my local BP and the fuel gauge was half way between the half way mark and quater mark so i thought I'd top it up. It only took 75 liters of the 140 tank, my conclusion is that the gauge is miss leading. In saying that the trip computer displayed a possible 395km still available out of the tank so i dont know whats going on there and the gauge is definitely not accurate. Since then ive found that the gauge reads conservatively and i should use the trip computer.
Anyway the 75 liters gave me 446km, which puts me at 16.8ltrs per 100kms. Thats mostly eastern suburbs sydney driving and a couple of runs on the motorway for about 45 mintues each way and having owned it for a week using the go fast pedal a lot. Now to some that will be thirsty and your probably right but considering its weight 2.7 ton and has 400hp on tap i reckon its amazing. I worked out my figuers and the fuel consumption is about 25% more than my 110 (those that knlw my 110 know that its heavily modified and carries some weight).

I'm not a big fan of the foot handbrake and find myself trying to work out how hard i should apply it, feels like im doing leg press.

The power! The 400hp is worth every penny of economy lost. Its just so effortless. I reckon i could hook it up to one of our truck and dogs and accelerate easily. The look you get from p platers at the lights when they are trying to get in through the left lane and you leave them for dead is priceless. Its actually quite rewarding in a weird sort of way.

The comfort is beyond comfortable. The term "saloon" comes to mind. The thing is so comfortable and quiet that you forget how beasty it actually is. I can be cruising with the air Con in complete silence and next minute roaring past a vehicle in the blink of an eye, effortless.

The fact i don't have and egr or dpf is very reassuring. Its like a insurance policy in my head.

Quality: the thing just feels well built, tough, complaint and safe. I think when Nissan first listed them at more than 100k they were trying to cover the r and d and as a result the vehicle has a quality feel.

The child anchor points are a bit strange. 2 in the second row and 1 in the third. Why there isnt one in the second row in the middle is beyond me.

The 6 sided video camera is excellent and makes parking a breeze. Makes me wonder how i manged to park the 110 in some spots.

The info system us excellent and the live traffic feed is handy making navagation easy.

We leave on the 26th for Mildura (1020kms), then to Adelaide (390kms), Melbourne (755kms) and back to Sydney (900kms) will be great to see how she performs. Im going to use every opportunity to blast past every 200 series i see [emoji16] and will report back.

Nando

[Tins]

[QUOTE=johntins;2747262][QUOTE=Zeros;2747147]Poor Land Rover? I don't think so. They're doing very nicely...
...reckon they can afford a Defender upgrade and an airbag of two. We all wait with bated breath...

I guess you missed the irony in my post.

PS: I'd have to pay $588 year to see that graph.

Sorry. I have way too much crap in my life right now to be trying to detect implied irony. Try speaking clearly.

BTW, the first click on that post showed me clear figures. Maybe it closed down after that. I have no way of knowing how a site renders for you. Nor do I care. Do your own research. It is out there.

[ramblingboy42]

stand behind it get some one to drive away quite hard, you will be quite pleased with the sound.

I'm trying to convince my mate to modify his exhaust system on his, but it is his wifes shopping trolley.

[1nando]

stand behind it get some one to drive away quite hard, you will be quite pleased with the sound.

I'm trying to convince my mate to modify his exhaust system on his, but it is his wifes shopping trolley.Also when your sitting on the motorway and start to apply some throttle, the v8 rumble tends to lift a few eye brows.......people dont expect such a burley v8 sound from such a big saloon.
My mods on this will be replacement size AT tyres, i will replce the rear lights eventually to the US spec and a UHF radio. Im not going to spend money on an exhaust as i think it could be detrimental to my license. I wont put a bullbar on it either, its a family vehicle that will occasionally take me camping and drive the family from A to B on long trips. We do a lot of travelling between sydney and Melbourne so its perfect for that.

[rangieman]

Well it might be a PoooTrol but the:rulez:are
:ttiwwp:
And your still a contributing supporter:bat:[wink11]

[1nando]

Well it might be a PoooTrol but the:rulez:are
:ttiwwp:
And your still a contributing supporter:bat:[wink11]Mate ill always be a defender man. The Patrol doesnt come close to the defender in certain areas. I havent taken it offroad yet but i know and do not believe it would ever be betrer than the defender. The defender is in a class of its own, i love it amd I'm greatful for being a member on this forum. Hopefully some of my threads (in particular my egt thread) have helped people and i thank those that have helped me over the years. The Patrol is great but its no defender!
Heres a couple of pics too which i forgot to post https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/276.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/277.jpg

[rangieman]

Mate ill always be a defender man. The Patrol doesnt come close to the defender in certain areas. I havent taken it offroad yet but i know and do not believe it would ever be betrer than the defender. The defender is in a class of its own, i love it amd I'm greatful for being a member on this forum. Hopefully some of my threads (in particular my egt thread) have helped people and i thank those that have helped me over the years. The Patrol is great but its no defender!
Heres a couple of pics too which i forgot to post https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/276.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/277.jpg
Thanks i was not having a go at you but it is the :rulez:No pic`s and it did not happen[thumbsupbig]

[Eevo]

finally a car that makes D4's look good.

[Tins]

finally a car that makes D4's look good.

I saw what you did there..... But, no, it actually did not. They are equally hideous, leaving out the noise. As are all modern cars.

[Eevo]

was actually a typo. i meant D5's.
but still works for d4's :)

[Tins]

was actually a typo. i meant D5's.
but still works for d4's :)

I worked it out...

[Mal]

Have a mate with a y62 on 35s and tweaks, long trips hits 10.9/100 9 around town 13/100 pretty good for a whale

[SPROVER]

Have a mate with a y62 on 35s and tweaks, long trips hits 10.9/100 9 around town 13/100 pretty good for a whaleAs nice as an engine they are...i find 13 litres per 100 around town a bit hard to believe.

[1nando]

Have a mate with a y62 on 35s and tweaks, long trips hits 10.9/100 9 around town 13/100 pretty good for a whaleIve just done over 1300km and have an average of 15.6. My biggest problem is the right pedal. I just can't help myself.
On the highway 10ish is about right at 110 but soon as you floor it.....
The engine is unbelievable. Theres 500nm at 1600rpm which is diesel like and so different to what im used to. Power keeps coming the longer you floor it and makes for a great driving experience

[scarry]

Have a mate with a y62 on 35s and tweaks, long trips hits 10.9/100 9 around town 13/100 pretty good for a whale

I wonder how the figures would go towing 3 ton of van?

13/100 around town seems to good to be true.

[1nando]

I wonder how the figures would go towing 3 ton of van?

13/100 around town seems to good to be true.Guys report an average of 20-22. However too many hills and slow speed can blow out to 30.

The biggest problem for the y62 is its weight. Its almost 2.8 ton of vehicle that needs to accelerate to speed. Ive workwe out that it costs about $60-$80 more than my mates 200 series for the equivalent kms. I dont think thats too bad considering the comfort i sit in and the amount of hp on tap. I can understand why some people are turned off by the fuel consumption but i really dont think its that bad a package. Its excellent value in my opinion.

[scarry]

Guys report an average of 20-22. However too many hills and slow speed can blow out to 30.

The biggest problem for the y62 is its weight. Its almost 2.8 ton of vehicle that needs to accelerate to speed. Ive workwe out that it costs about $60-$80 more than my mates 200 series for the equivalent kms. I dont think thats too bad considering the comfort i sit in and the amount of hp on tap. I can understand why some people are turned off by the fuel consumption but i really dont think its that bad a package. Its excellent value in my opinion.

I bet his servicing costs(presuming he has a diesel),are way more than yours.

[1nando]

I bet his servicing costs(presuming he has a diesel),are way more than yours.Mate im not sure tbh. One thing i can guarantee is that i fairly confident that it will be more reliable in almost every way.

The thing im coping of my mates is how its **** offroad and the truth is i dont know but now that im not driving the defender they are looking for any excuse to rubbish it. Fpr so long my 110 kept them all quiet now they all give it to me....

[1nando]

Double post

[Grumbles]

stand behind it get some one to drive away quite hard, you will be quite pleased with the sound.


A tourist has turned up in town with one of these. Seen - and heard - it quite a few times now. What a wonderful sound! The driver must think so too because when taking off from standstill he is not afraid to punt it quite hard......and he always has his window open.

[1nando]

Have a mate with a y62 on 35s and tweaks, long trips hits 10.9/100 9 around town 13/100 pretty good for a whaleI don't know Mal but i think hes having you on. The 10.9/100 i believe but 13 around town is hard tobelieve unless he lives in a quiet town without much stop start traffic.

[1nando]

Well i thought id update this thread as some have mentioned they enjoy reading up on something non LR.

So we completed our big Christmas trip from sydney to mildura, mildura to adelaide, Adelaide to the barossa valley, Barossa valley back to Adelaide then onto Melbourne and finally home to sydney.

What do i have to report regarding the new beast?
Well its a bloody beast! Overtaking is a non event, comfort is amazing, fuel economy isnt as bad as some talk about and cargo space is bus like.

On the way to mildura via the sturt hwy i was overtaken by a current model 79 series with a nice sounding exhaust and some obvious mods. Whilst overtaking me there was quiet a bit of black smoke so ill assume besides the obvious noise of the exhaust that he probably had a chip or tune. Anyway this tool having overtaken me then decides to back off the gas and all of a sudden i find myself tapping the breaks and disengaging the cruise control. Why do people do this??? I put up with this for a while until i eventually got so frustrated that once the right opportunity came along i decided to overtake him. As im overtaking him on the wrong side of the road as the sturt hwy is only single lane each way for very long sections he decides to accelerate. I couldnt believe it....here i am with my family on board and this DKHD decides to accelerate and try to not let me in, now in the dedender this would have been potentially dangerous as i wouldnt of had the HP to overtake and backed off however in the Patrol it was almost a non event. Literally flew past him and he wasnt happy about it either so i decided id give him some hazards as i pulled in front of him to p#$$ him off even more[emoji3] The 400hp and 500+nm available from 1600rpm make the thing pull hard all the way to red line. I actually watched a youtube vid of the nissan titan with the big cummins diesel vs the 5.6 petrol version thats in my car towing a massive van in the US and the petrol maintained speed up the giant hill whilst the diesel struggled and both returned similar economy....who would have guessed? You buy a Patrol not for economy but becuase you want a big comfotable family bus that has enough power to put a smile on your face amd believe me it does.

My mrs loved the comfort. She even told her dad that she didn't feel tired or sore and that it was extremely comfortable. The build quality is fantastic and the materials used are of high quality. Watching any review on youtube high lights the quality. The aircon is amazing, the sunroof is a nice feature and the abundance of 12v outlets is handy. The storage compartments are big and well placed allowing for easy access. All controls are easy to reach and laid out.

The space is ridiculous. I took everything we normally took in the defender and only used half the space with the 3rd row down. It is massive!

Now the one subject that seems to dominate conversations regarding the y62; fuel economy. The pic below is the liters per 100km used since day 1, it has never been reset. Considering i live in the eastern suburbs of Sydeny and all the driving we did plus 1500kms worth of "explore driving" in mildura, adelaide, barossa, vic harbour, melbourne etc this figure is in my opinion very impressive. Easily did sydney to mildura on one tank and had some 120kms left over according to on board computer. Its costing about $50 more per tank than the defender for the equivalent kms. In saying that i only use 98 (cause i get it for free), weighs 2.8 ton and has 400hp.

So what are the negatives? Its hard to park in a car park and leave reasonable door space to actually open doors. This leaves me trying to find a parking spot next to a column so i can park it as close as possible to the column to avoid doors being open against it or so we can get my daughter in and out comfortably.
The fuel gauge isnt 100%, dont know if they did that intentionally leaving plenty of time for finding a fuel stop, theres actually a bit of fuel (close to 20ltrs) in the tank when it says its empty.
The third row does not fold flat, stays on a bit of an angle. Not a deal breaker but not ideal.
Getting into it you kind of have to duck your head so you dont hit the roof. Once inside there is plenty of room so its just getting into it.
Corner visibility can be challenging but you get used to it, its a big bus after all.

Thats it really, its a great family vehicle. Yet to try it offroad but onroad it ticks all the boxes for me. Hope you enjoyed the reading, if you didn't bad luck and stop reading the updates[emoji6https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/903.jpg

[rar110]

I’m enjoying my L322 for all the same reasons. Although the Patrol cargo area will be noticeably bigger. I also came over from a 110 (still have it). We did a 4000km 2 1/2 week Trip from Brisbane to Victoria in December. I would really struggle to do that trip in the 110. The power, comfort and precise steering in the L322 makes it so much easier, and much less driver fatigue.

Keep posting your experience.

[justinc]

Great updates and yes i AM interested in your experience. 13 average is absolutely fantastic!!!

Jc

[Tombie]

Great write up..

Check that average though against real data.

Usually the average is over a set time or distance and isn’t the total travelled since last reset.

[Tombie]

If that’s correct you should have fed about 880 litres into it... does that seem correct?

[justinc]

So now all we are waiting for is for someone like Millen, Nismo, or Harrop to develop the supercharger kit.. with H2O or methanol injection and intercooling you could be looking at a lazy 600hp. What a sleeper..🤔😎😎🤗

[1nando]

If that’s correct you should have fed about 880 litres into it... does that seem correct?Mate i havent actually tallied up all receipts at the pump yet but i was keeping note on the trip computer of kms travlled to liters filled at the pump and noticed that on the hwy i was around 10-11ltrs per 100km.
The exact fuel figure use would be somewhere around the 880 you've calculated id imagine.

In saying all of this the car is easily capable of drinking 25+ if you drive it like a thief. I think this is why they get such a bad wrap on economy. The people reviewing them love hearing the big v8 sing and as a result report high fuel use cause they're constantly hard on the go fast pedal. Living with it however leads to a more realistic fuel use figure.

[Shoogs]

I have 300tdi Defender, my wife has a 200 series petrol, we just drive it, having a 3t V8 and worrying about fuel economy doesn't quite make sense to me... and life is to short not to listen to that exhaust growl... Besides a 300tdi 3t Camel towing a 1.5t camper uses far more fuel @ 80km/h into a headwind across the Nullabor in 4th...

Mind you we get great fuel economy as they are both parked up whilst we are in Madagascar, but not for much longer...

Might be time for Y62 upgrade though.

[1nando]

Your spot on when you say that complaining about economy when u own a 3 ton bus is ridiculous. What everyone seems to forget is that in its category (large capable family bus) it is by far and away the best value for money. There are really only 3 vehciles in the same category in my opinion and the other 2 options are too expensive and overpriced. 1; the LC 200 which is a outdated vehicle and 2; the range rover which isnt my idea of value for money in any way shape or form. I considered a lot of smaller suvs but the mrs loved the Patrol.

The worst thing about the Patrol is the stupid rear lights which i just sorted. Looks quiet good now i think.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/935.jpg

[scarry]

Many new Toyota’s on the market are well outdated.

There is one model run that has AC is an optional extra,and there is another with a dinasour 4 speed auto......[bigsad]

[justinc]

Here you go....

FDFI2300 | Nissan | Y62 Patrol | HARROP | Engineering, Superchargers, Brakes, Driveline, Engine, 4WD, Cooling (https://www.harrop.com.au/shop/fdfi2300-nissan-y62-patrol)

(Laughs maniacally for several minutes. ..😈😈😈)

Jc

[justinc]

Nissan Patrol Y62 VK56 V8 | Harrop Supercharger Kit - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Nogtmp_1lfY)

[cripesamighty]

Have a look on Youtube to see what the crazy guys in Kuwait and Saudi are doing to their Y62's. Getting over 1,000Hp is common, and I saw one recently with quad turbos putting out ridiculous amounts of power and funny enough, had very little room left in the engine bay.....

[Shoogs]

[QUOTE=1nando;2766566]Your spot on when you say that complaining about economy when u own a 3 ton bus is ridiculous. What everyone seems to forget is that in its category (large capable family bus) it is by far and away the best value for money. There are really only 3 vehciles in the same category in my opinion and the other 2 options are too expensive and overpriced. 1; the LC 200 which is a outdated vehicle and 2; the range rover which isnt my idea of value for money in any way shape or form. I considered a lot of smaller suvs but the mrs loved the Patrol.

The worst thing about the Patrol is the stupid rear lights which i just sorted. Looks quiet good now i think.



Yep could not agree more, we bought the 200 because being petrol it was ridiculously cheap and the equivalent diesel Sahara was 40k more... I thought and still do that my family will be safer in a larger vehicle, might has right, that and we have always either lived in remote parts of Australia or overseas... had a V8 D3 before it... unfortunately a D4 V8 was not available...

Only issue is, I drive it and wonder how a LS3 would go in my Camel...

[justinc]

Hmmmmm. Been watching quite a few vids and reading a fair bit about these. Certainly seem like a much underrated vehicle. The fuel consumption and overall running cost comparisons with a lc200 turbo diesel are quite interesting. Certainly seem very reliable too... hmmmmm

Jv

[1nando]

Have a look on Youtube to see what the crazy guys in Kuwait and Saudi are doing to their Y62's. Getting over 1,000Hp is common, and I saw one recently with quad turbos putting out ridiculous amounts of power and funny enough, had very little room left in the engine bay.....From my research the y62 is a very reliable vehcile. If you do a google search for y62 reliability or issues nothing comes up.
They seem to be heavily engineered and the drivetrain unbreakable. In fact nissan spent a huge amount of hours bashing it offroad in the middle east during the research and development perfecting it. I can tell you that crawling under the y62 everything is huge. I work with trucks and the y62 diffs are huge and the chassis is massive, bulky.
The fact that people are extracting huge reliable power from them isnt surprising and its a mystery to me why they dont sell more of them over here in greater numbers. In the UAE they are the number one selling vehicle, with sales growing year on year and they are pretty much the same price as the land cruiser: United Arab Emirates August 2017: Nissan Patrol up 67% to 10.3% share – Best Selling Cars Blog (http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2017/10/united-arab-emirates-august-2017-nissan-patrol-up-67-to-10-3-share/)

The people in the UAE regard the Patrol as the toughest and most reliable SUV in the market and thats why sales keep growing.

Whats even more impressive is how dominant the Toyota propaganda has been swallowed in Australia hook line and sinker. The way they've brainwashed people into thinking they are so reliable is amazing, when in fact they have issues in nearly all they're flag ship models. I now understand why Toyota forums are so hard to join, Toyota reliabilty is near impossible to Google and why they charge so much for their vehciles. People in Australia love the BS and as a result they charge stupid prices for outdated crap....

The y62 doesnt have a diesel option and if allowed and encouraged can drink heavily but the fact that its so reliable will more than likely make it the cheaper option to run over a 150,000+ kms i think. Thats why they haven't bothered putting a diesel in it. "If it ain't broke don't fix it"....my opinion.

[justinc]

From my research the y62 is a very reliable vehcile. If you do a google search for y62 reliability or issues nothing comes up.
They seem to be heavily engineered and the drivetrain unbreakable. In fact nissan spent a huge amount of hours bashing it offroad in the middle east during the research and development perfecting it. I can tell you that crawling under the y62 everything is huge. I work with trucks and the y62 diffs are huge and the chassis is massive, bulky.
The fact that people are extracting huge reliable power from them isnt surprising and its a mystery to me why they dont sell more of them over here in greater numbers. In the UAE they are the number one selling vehicle, with sales growing year on year and they are pretty much the same price as the land cruiser: United Arab Emirates August 2017: Nissan Patrol up 67% to 10.3% share – Best Selling Cars Blog (http://bestsellingcarsblog.com/2017/10/united-arab-emirates-august-2017-nissan-patrol-up-67-to-10-3-share/)

The people in the UAE regard the Patrol as the toughest and most reliable SUV in the market and thats why sales keep growing.

Whats even more impressive is how dominant the Toyota propaganda has been swallowed in Australia hook line and sinker. The way they've brainwashed people into thinking they are so reliable is amazing, when in fact they have issues in nearly all they're flag ship models. I now understand why Toyota forums are so hard to join, Toyota reliabilty is near impossible to Google and why they charge so much for their vehciles. People in Australia love the BS and as a result they charge stupid prices for outdated crap....

The y62 doesnt have a diesel option and if allowed and encouraged can drink heavily but the fact that its so reliable will more than likely make it the cheaper option to run over a 150,000+ kms i think. Thats why they haven't bothered putting a diesel in it. "If it ain't broke don't fix it"....my opinion.

My thoughts are from firsthand experience with the ridiculous costs of dpf and egr replacement with modern diesels. Not to mention hpfp and injector costs... petrol vehicles are becoming a viable proposition. ...

Jc

[Tombie]

They were designed with the UAE as the primary market.
This was admitted during the release phase.

[1nando]

The following link is interesting. They compare the nissan titan with the same engine as my patrol to the 5L v8 cummins diesel that is rumored to be going into the y62. I think the end result may surprise some of you, it suprised me. Working with heavy vehicles everyday i know and undertsand and also love the benefits of a diesel engine. Going to a petrol wasnt easy and TBH if the mrs hadn't loved it so much i probably would have gone the pajero (which she hated). Im glad we dod though and im starting to love this beast.

Whats interesting here is that the 200 LC owners crap on about this rumored towing advantage yet the cummins 5L v8 diesel which is a far superior engine leads me to think otherwise.

Enjoy;

2016 Nissan Titan XD Gas vs Diesel, Towing vs Empty Highway MPG Review - YouTube (https://youtu.be/cPD5C8V9_6Y)

Look forward to opinions.

[cripesamighty]

That was an interesting vid for sure. I expected the differences between petrol and diesel to be more pronounced.

[rammypluge]

Well, i just did a trip from adelaide to the high country and back with a modern diesel, in a vehicle about the same size as the Y62. It has almost as much torque, at lower revs, and more torque to weight than the Y62.

It used around 9L/100km on the highway, and 15L/100km in the high country, including hours and hours and hours of 1st gear moderate/difficult and somewhat extreme offroading, involving masses of very steep climbs. So, the Y62 at an average of 13L/100km, may use around 50% more on the hwy(?).

A 4.2L petrol Y61 did exactly the same stuff and used around twice as much fuel.

So how much does the Y62 use offroad?

[Tombie]

That was an interesting vid for sure. I expected the differences between petrol and diesel to be more pronounced.

Would be significantly different in our commonly populated areas with the hills etc.

[cripesamighty]

Yeah, that’s a point. Not too many of those hills around Perth though, but I expect that would make more of a difference. Needs some testing!

[Tombie]

In a similar style..

My supercharged 5L D1 on 35s would go from Adelaide to Melbourne and back to Tailem bend on its tanks (not towing).

Around Adelaide for work it was good for 350km.

That thing carried 160 litres...

[1nando]

Well, i just did a trip from adelaide to the high country and back with a modern diesel, in a vehicle about the same size as the Y62. It has almost as much torque, at lower revs, and more torque to weight than the Y62.

It used around 9L/100km on the highway, and 15L/100km in the high country, including hours and hours and hours of 1st gear moderate/difficult and somewhat extreme offroading, involving masses of very steep climbs. So, the Y62 at an average of 13L/100km, may use around 50% more on the hwy(?).

A 4.2L petrol Y61 did exactly the same stuff and used around twice as much fuel.

So how much does the Y62 use offroad?I dont know yet as i havent taken it offroad. The y62 uses anthing from 10-12 on the hwy. The 13.1 is actaully the average since the day i bought it. What vehicle were you in?

As for torque; the 62 makes 500nm from 1600 rpm but the big kicker is the 400hp. The HP matched to its gearing makes it pull like nothing I've ever driven. The torque gets you up and going then the HP takes over. Those horses need feeding if you want to play with them

[rammypluge]

I dont know yet as i havent taken it offroad. The y62 uses anthing from 10-12 on the hwy. The 13.1 is actaully the average since the day i bought it. What vehicle were you in?

As for torque; the 62 makes 500nm from 1600 rpm but the big kicker is the 400hp. The HP matched to its gearing makes it pull like nothing I've ever driven. The torque gets you up and going then the HP takes over. Those horses need feeding if you want to play with them10 to 12 on the highway is pretty damn impressive. They have obviously paid attention to aerodynamics which would help, but the engine and transmission must be doing an impressive job.

Since its a heavy duty 4wd the offroad fuel consumption is relevant, and it will be interesting to see what you get.

I was driving an auto Amarok with a recently acquired stage 1 tune, so its gone from 420nm to 520nm. No noticeable difference to economy yet. Its a lot lighter than the Y62, but aerodynamics on mine arent quite as good. Fuel consumption and performance are great everywhere; in town, on highways, on sand, but it was weird to use at worst 40L to go only 170km or so, but that just seems to go with hours of first gear steep hillclimbing, and the 4.2 Patrol petrol used around 80L to do the same.

Its weird to be comparing small capacity diesels with large capacity petrols, but diesels are so grunty these days such comparisons are fair and meaningful. No question your Y62 has more top end, and if you rev it, it will go hard, but for most people most of the time thats not necessary with a modern diesel with all of their bottom end power.

[1nando]

10 to 12 on the highway is pretty damn impressive. They have obviously paid attention to aerodynamics which would help, but the engine and transmission must be doing an impressive job.

Since its a heavy duty 4wd the offroad fuel consumption is relevant, and it will be interesting to see what you get.

I was driving an auto Amarok with a recently acquired stage 1 tune, so its gone from 420nm to 520nm. No noticeable difference to economy yet. Its a lot lighter than the Y62, but aerodynamics on mine arent quite as good. Fuel consumption and performance are great everywhere; in town, on highways, on sand, but it was weird to use at worst 40L to go only 170km or so, but that just seems to go with hours of first gear steep hillclimbing, and the 4.2 Patrol petrol used around 80L to do the same.

Its weird to be comparing small capacity diesels with large capacity petrols, but diesels are so grunty these days such comparisons are fair and meaningful. No question your Y62 has more top end, and if you rev it, it will go hard, but for most people most of the time thats not necessary with a modern diesel with all of their bottom end power.Your right it is weird to be comparing a diesel to a petrol. However being a Patrol owner thats the subject that most often comes up when being asked about my vehicle.

The other thing people tend to forget is that a good percentage of owners will chip/remap their diesel, exhaust mods etc but forget that expense when talking about fuel economy. You see the patrols naturally aspirated v8 produces massive amounts of power and torque. Most owners dont bother with performance mods as there is literally no need for more. So as a example i spent over $5000 on my defender investing in a Alive remap, alive cooler, hoses, exhaust, EGT gauge. Now 5k buys me a lot of fuel!
A 200 series owner will bag my economy but forget that his chip and exhaust package buys me a lot of fuel and still not have enough power to give the standard patrol a run for its money in a drag race or up a giant hill..
....i know who bothers racing 3 ton barges, but it's an example of peoples mind sets.

A petrol will never provide the all round economy of a diesel but a diesel will never produce the HP of a petrol. However the gap isnt as big as what it used to be and the Patrol provides great all round fun that a diesel simply can't.
Ps if the cummins 5Ltr diesel was available at the time of purchase i would have bought that but i would have never known the true enjoyment i would of had with the Petrol.

[1nando]

Double post

[scarry]

Your right it is weird to be comparing a diesel to a petrol. However being a Patrol owner thats the subject that most often comes up when being asked about my vehicle.

The other thing people tend to forget is that a good percentage of owners will chip/remap their diesel, exhaust mods etc but forget that expense when talking about fuel economy. You see the patrols naturally aspirated v8 produces massive amounts of power and torque. Most owners dont bother with performance mods as there is literally no need for more. So as a example i spent over $5000 on my defender investing in a Alive remap, alive cooler, hoses, exhaust, EGT gauge. Now 5k buys me a lot of fuel!
A 200 series owner will bag my economy but forget that his chip and exhaust package buys me a lot of fuel and still not have enough power to give the standard patrol a run for its money in a drag race or up a giant hill..
....i know who bothers racing 3 ton barges, but it's an example of peoples mind sets.

A petrol will never provide the all round economy of a diesel but a diesel will never produce the HP of a petrol. However the gap isnt as big as what it used to be and the Patrol provides great all round fun that a diesel simply can't.
Ps if the cummins 5Ltr diesel was available at the time of purchase i would have bought that but i would have never known the true enjoyment i would of had with the Petrol.

I fully chipped LC 200 diesel will get fuel economy not much different from yours,in fact in some conditions may be worse.
A mate of mine has one that is done,it absolutely flies,but he pays for it in fuel costs,and probably engine life but only keeps them for around 4 yrs max.

The guy next door with a stock dual cab LC gets around 16 to 17l/100k around town,it weighs just on 3T.Loaded with accessories.

There are many diesels around that get a lot worse fuel economy than is documented.

[1nando]

I fully chipped LC 200 diesel will get fuel economy not much different from yours,in fact in some conditions may be worse.
A mate of mine has one that is done,it absolutely flies,but he pays for it in fuel costs,and probably engine life but only keeps them for around 4 yrs max.

The guy next door with a stock dual cab LC gets around 16 to 17l/100k around town,it weighs just on 3T.Loaded with accessories.

There are many diesels around that get a lot worse fuel economy than is documented.Wow. At least they're telling u the truth, most tell porky pies regarding fuel use.

[rammypluge]

The crazy thing is that in 95% or more of driving conditions i bet my small diesel if put in a Y62 would feel more responsive and powerful than if you put an LS2 V8 petrol in a Y62, because the diesel likely has more power below 2500rpm, and that is all the revs that are needed 95% of the time with the diesel.

High output diesels give such relaxed and responsive acceleration and hill climbing that it is understandable that these days they are often the true premium offering.

However, if the Y62 V8 spec of 560nm at 4000rpm is kinda deceiving, and it actually has 500nm at 1600rpm, it might feel similar to my diesel in a Y62 below 2000rpm, and might feel better and better after that. So a bigger diesel would be a more appropriate comparison.

[fitzy]

The crazy thing is that in 95% or more of driving conditions i bet my small diesel if put in a Y62 would feel more responsive and powerful than if you put an LS2 V8 petrol in a Y62, because the diesel likely has more power below 2500rpm, and that is all the revs that are needed 95% of the time with the diesel.

High output diesels give such relaxed and responsive acceleration and hill climbing that it is understandable that these days they are often the true premium offering.

However, if the Y62 V8 spec of 560nm at 4000rpm is kinda deceiving, and it actually has 500nm at 1600rpm, it might feel similar to my diesel in a Y62 below 2000rpm, and might feel better and better after that. So a bigger diesel would be a more appropriate comparison.

Mate seriously how long has it been since you’ve driven a petrol v8.
They are so much better than diesels in about every way apart from economy.
Go and have a drive of one.
I’d take one any day.

[1nando]

The crazy thing is that in 95% or more of driving conditions i bet my small diesel if put in a Y62 would feel more responsive and powerful than if you put an LS2 V8 petrol in a Y62, because the diesel likely has more power below 2500rpm, and that is all the revs that are needed 95% of the time with the diesel.

High output diesels give such relaxed and responsive acceleration and hill climbing that it is understandable that these days they are often the true premium offering.

However, if the Y62 V8 spec of 560nm at 4000rpm is kinda deceiving, and it actually has 500nm at 1600rpm, it might feel similar to my diesel in a Y62 below 2000rpm, and might feel better and better after that. So a bigger diesel would be a more appropriate comparison.Hows this....its the Guinness world record for towing surpassing the vw touareg by 15 tonnes. Not only is the y62 HD but definitely not lacking low down torque.

World Guinness record achievement by Nissan patrol pulling 170 ton cargo plane of RUS Aviation - YouTube (https://youtu.be/-l0qgEeevhA)

As for this its the world record for a dune climb. I reckon sand is definitely the only terrain where the y62 would out perform the defender simply cause of its power.
Listen to that beautiful v8 sing as it powers up this giant dune......love to see a 200 try....and fail
[emoji6][emoji23][emoji48]
Nissan Patrol Breaks Another Guinness World Records Title - YouTube (https://youtu.be/WoBL4kdLr3c)

[rammypluge]

Mate seriously how long has it been since you’ve driven a petrol v8.
They are so much better than diesels in about every way apart from economy.
Go and have a drive of one.
I’d take one any day.I drove an LS crewman recently. Yeah, hammers if you rev it, but a bit dull compared to a good diesel during normal driving.

I guess you adapt, but the main way to adapt is to rev it more, which is even worse for economy.

[rammypluge]

All hail the quad-turbo BMW M550d xDrive | Top Gear (https://www.topgear.com/car-news/first-look/all-hail-quad-turbo-bmw-m550d-xdrive)

[fitzy]

The early ls1 motors needed to be revved to make them work, bit of a flaw imo as the peak wasn’t that high.
The beauty of a petrol v8 is the wide torque band.
Even a rover v8 with its low overall figures performs well as it will pull from 750rpm to 5000rpm.
And it it quite linear and smooth as it does it.
Unlike modern turbo diesels which have a very narrow torque band, press accelerator wait for turbo to spool , turbo spools power comes on then falls off, change gear wait for turbo to spool. That’s why they need so many gears to keep them in the narrow band.
2speed powerglides were all that was needed for large v8 because of the nice wide power delivery before fuel economy was an issue

[rammypluge]

The early ls1 motors needed to be revved to make them work, bit of a flaw imo as the peak wasn’t that high.
The beauty of a petrol v8 is the wide torque band.
Even a rover v8 with its low overall figures performs well as it will pull from 750rpm to 5000rpm.
And it it quite linear and smooth as it does it.
Unlike modern turbo diesels which have a very narrow torque band, press accelerator wait for turbo to spool , turbo spools power comes on then falls off, change gear wait for turbo to spool. That’s why they need so many gears to keep them in the narrow band.
2speed powerglides were all that was needed for large v8 because of the nice wide power delivery before fuel economy was an issue

Well, good modern turbo diesels, particularly twin turbo types, spool quicker than a petrol will pickup, and they will rev enough to snick into the next gear, which isnt far away with modern multispeed autos. They change gear so quick there is no meaningful loss, and because of the oozes of torque they dont need to rev much.

[fitzy]

Let me guess, like the ones on those Amorok’s.

[1nando]

Well, good modern turbo diesels, particularly twin turbo types, spool quicker than a petrol will pickup, and they will rev enough to snick into the next gear, which isnt far away with modern multispeed autos. They change gear so quick there is no meaningful loss, and because of the oozes of torque they dont need to rev much.Rammy i agree when it comes to 4wding. 4wding is about drivong as slow as possible and as fast as necessary and nothing is better for that then a diesel. 100% agreed.
However i reckon the big v8 goes alright. Sure its not ideal for the slow stuff but hell is it fun in the sand.

[Tombie]

That plane stunt, not a good indicator.

Porsche Cayenne S pulled 314t aircraft last year [emoji41]

[1nando]

Yesterday arvo at boat harbour in kurnell.
Lets just say the y62 loves the sand.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/1045.jpg

[justinc]

Yesterday arvo at boat harbour in kurnell.
Lets just say the y62 loves the sand.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/1045.jpg


Quick the rugrat is escaping...😄

[1nando]

That plane stunt, not a good indicator.

Porsche Cayenne S pulled 314t aircraft last year [emoji41]Your right it is a stunt however i still reckon the Patrol and a 200 would be more HD than the cayenne. Not so much in terms of engine power but in the overall reliability from good engineering.

I reckon that if i were to take the cayenne and the Patrol through the middle of Australia the cayene would fall apart. Probably like the mercedes g wagons did when they tried to pull that stunt. The way i see it our friends in the middle east absolutely hammer the patrols at high speeds climbing, jumping and crashing over sand dunes and they dont break and last. Thats why they love them over there, even all the police 4wds are patrols. Q

Did u like the dune climb?

[rammypluge]

Rammy i agree when it comes to 4wding. 4wding is about drivong as slow as possible and as fast as necessary and nothing is better for that then a diesel. 100% agreed.
However i reckon the big v8 goes alright. Sure its not ideal for the slow stuff but hell is it fun in the sand.With the fuel consumption you are getting no wonder you are happy. Some or maybe many other Y62 owners dont seem to be getting as good as that, so maybe you need to write a manual on how to drive it?!

[1nando]

With the fuel consumption you are getting no wonder you are happy. Some or maybe many other Y62 owners dont seem to be getting as good as that, so maybe you need to write a manual on how to drive it?!Ive actually thought that. Some blokes just struggle but then again the engine noise under load is very temping....throttle happy me thinks

[rammypluge]

Let me guess, like the ones on those Amorok’s.D5? Next Ranger and BT50?

Given the choice i might take an SDV6.

[scarry]

That plane stunt, not a good indicator.
[emoji41]

There have been a few LR stunts that are just as bad and meaningless......

[Tombie]

There have been a few LR stunts that are just as bad and meaningless......

Indeed. A rolling mass on a level surface..

[cripesamighty]

Indeed. A rolling mass on a level surface.....with grip!

About 7 or 8 months ago John Cadogan had a humourous look at the Cayenne towing the Airbus. He went into all the physics involved and why he was so underwhelmed.

[rammypluge]

The touareg V10 diesel from a while back had 750Nm from memory. What hill? What aeroplane?

[cripesamighty]

Was talking to a VW mechanic recently and he said in one of their commercials, the Touareg guys staged it (ie cheated). They made sure to add several tons to the car (changed the suspension so it rode normally) and welded the axles for strength so it could tow massive weights. As for aeroplane and hills, type the following into google and all will be explained in 15 mins or so.

"Porsche Tows Airbus A380 - but is it really that impressive? | Auto Expert John Cadogan | Australia"

[rammypluge]

Those things trip my bull**** meter almost as fast as guys pulling trains by their teeth.

[Shoogs]

Your right it is a stunt however i still reckon the Patrol and a 200 would be more HD than the cayenne. Not so much in terms of engine power but in the overall reliability from good engineering.

I reckon that if i were to take the cayenne and the Patrol through the middle of Australia the cayene would fall apart. Probably like the mercedes g wagons did when they tried to pull that stunt. The way i see it our friends in the middle east absolutely hammer the patrols at high speeds climbing, jumping and crashing over sand dunes and they dont break and last. Thats why they love them over there, even all the police 4wds are patrols. Q

Did u like the dune climb?

Mate I think its a bit of a hard call to think the Patrols in the middle east are stock standard, using the G Wagens as an example that couldn't handle the CSR and saying they all broke isn't either, all that broke were the shock absorbers, and considering they had less than gentle journalists, getting swapped out for different drivers daily and a condensed time frame I am not surprised.

I have no doubt the Patrol is a good thing but stock standard and hammering it across the Simpson or CSR would end up with a similar result... as would your previous Defender.

[1nando]

Mate I think its a bit of a hard call to think the Patrols in the middle east are stock standard, using the G Wagens as an example that couldn't handle the CSR and saying they all broke isn't either, all that broke were the shock absorbers, and considering they had less than gentle journalists, getting swapped out for different drivers daily and a condensed time frame I am not surprised.

I have no doubt the Patrol is a good thing but stock standard and hammering it across the Simpson or CSR would end up with a similar result... as would your previous Defender.Shoogs maybe your right but if you watch some you tube clips of the y62s getting hammered by people in the middle east i think you'll realise that they're pretty standard. In fact nissan did a ridculous amount of r and d basically bashing them in the dunes for a few thousand hours on end. Watch the patrol documentary and you'll soon understand that nissan set out to build the toughest 4wd they could

[Tombie]

They’re certainly a tough bit of kit.
I have a few friends up here with them and they love them.

I’d certainly consider one, so you’re not on your own there!

And yes. I’d change the lights, modify a little bit, perhaps the Blower kit...

And then enjoy the ride!

[1nando]

Im going camping with it for a few days in a couple of weeks before i start mods. I want to see how it goes but im thinking and in this order;

Bfg ko2 same size as standard (32.6inch)
OL bullbar
Rhino roof rack
Light bar roof rack mounted

And thats it. I liked the kaymar rear bar but ive been talked out of it by people on the Patrol forum. Eventually a set of hd springs at standard height.

[justinc]

.....I'm going to test drive one on the 9th....

😮😮😮

Possibly a dangerous thing to do but there is method to my 'madness'😅

Jc

[justinc]

Or do i look at the 5.0 NA l322?? Similar price, output and economy however 20" rims😣😣. Heart says l322 all the way but ...🤔

[Eevo]

drive a petrol v8 like a diesel and you'll get great fuel economy
drive a diesel like a petrol v8 and you'll get bad economy

[justinc]

drive a petrol v8 like a diesel and you'll get great fuel economy
drive a diesel like a petrol v8 and you'll get bad economy
.... not applicable with 3t hanging off the back😣

[1nando]

And if i bought the closest equivalent spec LC 200 which would still be deprived of leather interior, sunroof and a host of other mod cons at an extra $18k ive worked out that id roughly have to do around 120,000kms for the diesel to be a feasible option. Thats around 6 years worth of ownership and ive never had a car for longer than 5 years. I usually upgrade once the lease is up.

The kicker is that if i was unlucky enough to have an issue with an injector, the dpf, turbo etc in the 200 then that kms figure goes up again in favor of the y62. Now one could argue that i could and may have issues with the y62 but from all accounts it seems unlikely. In fact the y62 seems so reliable that there is hardly any talk amongst their owners on forums and social media, as they just dont seem to break, its actually boring. I check for new topics everyday and there isnt anything!

Now factor in all the engine performance mods that most adventure driven people do to their 200s with chips, exhausts, catch cans and what ever else and again that kms figure climbs.

Then theres the servicing costs after 3 years of ownership and the diesel is dear to service.

I will always pay a little more money for my kilometer travelled but i will have more fun doing it, saved a **** load up front and will more than likely sell it and upgrade while im still ahead. Is there something i missed in this equation[emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

Yeah.......the satisfaction i get from leaving modified 200s for dead.

Ps; I comapre the 200 to the Patrol cause in my opinion its the only competition in the same category, and i cant stand LC owners as they are usually arrogant! In saying that Patrol owners are arrogant too as ive witnessed on the patrol forum; they wont axcept that a defender is better offroad in almost every terrain except sand.

[rammypluge]

Most people forget to factor in the resale value. The LC costs more, but sells for more. It may actually depreciate less, but i havent looked.

[1nando]

Most people forget to factor in the resale value. The LC costs more, but sells for more. It may actually depreciate less, but i havent looked.Try finding a used y62 ti like mine for less $48k (cheapest ome on car sales) Keep in mind most of these were purchased for low $60k in 2015 when Nissan had to drop prices dramatically to start flipping them. All the decent ones are $55k plus. Thats pretty good i reckon.

[rammypluge]

Depreciation is a massive, massive factor.

For example, people that bought Ford F150's from ford in oz could sell them years later for as much or more than what they paid for them.

Also, a friend bought a GQ a few years ago, and it has been very reliable and cheap to own, and he could sell it for not much less than what he paid.

Contrarily, to give one example, when i bought my Rok i also considered a Jeep Grand Cherokee. I looked at their secondhand prices the other day, and if i had bought one at the time i did the Rok, and did the same number of kays, it looked like i would have lost around 40k in depreciation, in 3.5years. That would hurt.

What would hurt more would be to buy a GL320 for around $150k and ten years later sell it for $20k.

[rammypluge]

drive a petrol v8 like a diesel and you'll get great fuel economy
drive a diesel like a petrol v8 and you'll get bad economyI dont think so. What i like about my diesel is that i can accelerate hard whenever i choose and not be worried about the fuel cost. I can kick V8's arze and use less fuel than them doing it. They can only beat me if they want to spend big bucks at the pump.

[Eevo]

I dont think so. What i like about my diesel is that i can accelerate hard whenever i choose and not be worried about the fuel cost. I can kick V8's arze and use less fuel than them doing it. They can only beat me if they want to spend big bucks at the pump.

its not april first is it?

[Geedublya]

its not april first is it?

Must be....

[1nando]

I dont think so. What i like about my diesel is that i can accelerate hard whenever i choose and not be worried about the fuel cost. I can kick V8's arze and use less fuel than them doing it. They can only beat me if they want to spend big bucks at the pump.Your right to a degree but i can get stupid economy from our Macks tridents if i wanted too and drove like a idiot. Averaged 550kms per tank on the 110 if i wanted too i could easily do under 450kms. Thats 16-17ltrs per 100kms.

[justinc]

Not impressed so far by some of the arrogance on the patrol forum... seems that some are in the same category as cruiser owners...
AULRO has a totally different feel to it!!

Jc

[1nando]

Not impressed so far by some of the arrogance on the patrol forum... seems that some are in the same category as cruiser owners...
AULRO has a totally different feel to it!!

JcAgreed 100%. I actually hate it. Some good blokes on there but man are there some tools

[justinc]

I can't see any landrover related discussions being dealt with in a mature manner. ... maybe i should start one😎😈

[rick130]

Not impressed so far by some of the arrogance on the patrol forum... seems that some are in the same category as cruiser owners...
AULRO has a totally different feel to it!!

JcThat's a shame, it used to be pretty good years ago as there were some good, knowledgeable posters on there.

[rammypluge]

Your right to a degree but i can get stupid economy from our Macks tridents if i wanted too and drove like a idiot. Averaged 550kms per tank on the 110 if i wanted too i could easily do under 450kms. Thats 16-17ltrs per 100kms.My car uses around 9L/100km almost everywhere. Sure it uses more on sand, but not that much, the only bad figures i have got have been in the high country, and the petrol vehicle used twice as much. So i can drag off cars as i choose, if i choose, and its not going to make a noticeable difference. Its not going to hurt the hip pocket. I dont have godzillions of horsepower, only so much can be pumped through. With modern electronics its not going to waste any out the exhaust pipe.

[justinc]

That's a shame, it used to be pretty good years ago as there were some good, knowledgeable posters on there.

There are a few idiots that ruin it for others and bring down the tone of the place..

[Eevo]

My car uses around 9L/100km almost everywhere. Sure it uses more on sand, but not that much, the only bad figures i have got have been in the high country, and the petrol vehicle used twice as much. So i can drag off cars as i choose, if i choose, and its not going to make a noticeable difference. Its not going to hurt the hip pocket. I dont have godzillions of horsepower, only so much can be pumped through. With modern electronics its not going to waste any out the exhaust pipe.

do you think your car is doing 9l/100km when your draging off cars?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

well he said almost everywhere,,,

[Eevo]

exactly.
we need to compare apples with apples. :)

[1nando]

My car uses around 9L/100km almost everywhere. Sure it uses more on sand, but not that much, the only bad figures i have got have been in the high country, and the petrol vehicle used twice as much. So i can drag off cars as i choose, if i choose, and its not going to make a noticeable difference. Its not going to hurt the hip pocket. I dont have godzillions of horsepower, only so much can be pumped through. With modern electronics its not going to waste any out the exhaust pipe.Rammy you've got some weight on your Rok plus bigger tyres. I find it hard to believe its 9/100kms everywhere.
I bet that if i put 500kgs in it and took it 4wding with the 33s you've got on it that it would return close to 15ltrs/100.

[rammypluge]

do you think your car is doing 9l/100km when your draging off cars?Of course not. Its economical when driven normally, and relatively economical when driven hard.

Diesels are even more economical versus petrols in racing applications. Renault in Le Mans, JCB breaking diesel speed records, etc.

[rammypluge]

Rammy you've got some weight on your Rok plus bigger tyres. I find it hard to believe its 9/100kms everywhere.
I bet that if i put 500kgs in it and took it 4wding with the 33s you've got on it that it would return close to 15ltrs/100.

I put it on a weighbridge before fitting the alloy rocksliders, tared at 2100kg. Similar to a D5.

Bigger tyres dont tend to affect fuel economy, most people dont correct their fuel consumption readout/odometer/ tripmeter.

The bigger tyres would improve economy on sand due to the better flotation and hence reduced rolling resistance.

The worst fill-point-to-fill-point consumption i have noticed was 15L/100km after doing hours and hours of first gear steep hillclimbing in the high country plus some slow windy dirt road driving. Freaked me out, wondered what the hell was wrong.

However, i forget how far it is from Mt Dare to Birdsville? I did that with four people and gear in around one 82L tank.

Its only appropriate to compare modern diesels with the Y62 petrol.

[1nando]

I put it on a weighbridge before fitting the alloy rocksliders, tared at 2100kg. Similar to a D5.

Bigger tyres dont tend to affect fuel economy, most people dont correct their fuel consumption readout/odometer/ tripmeter.

The bigger tyres would improve economy on sand due to the better flotation and hence reduced rolling resistance.

The worst fill-point-to-fill-point consumption i have noticed was 15L/100km after doing hours and hours of first gear steep hillclimbing in the high country plus some slow windy dirt road driving. Freaked me out, wondered what the hell was wrong.

However, i forget how far it is from Mt Dare to Birdsville? I did that with four people and gear in around one 82L tank.

Its only appropriate to compare modern diesels with the Y62 petrol.So it can drink 15ltrs and it weighs 659kg less than an unladen v8 petrol powered tank! I know my diesels mate, i work with them from 5.30am to 5pm monday to Friday. Diesels are great and i would of had the cummins if it was available at the time. In saying that the big v8 cummins doesnt offer much better economy than the petrol and im glad we got the peteol. Its about 150,000 kms before you break even with the cummins according to reviews. The diesel offers great low down torque, slightly better economy and longer travel distance between fills but it also offers more noise, more things to go wrong and vulnerability to crap fuel in remote areas.

Now tell me this; Is all the extra fun and peace of mind you can have worth an additional $50 per week as a worst case scenario?

[Vern]

Can't compare a 2.0l diesel to a 5.6l v8 petrol! Completely different.

Worst we have had in our gutless amarok is 16.8L/100.
Best is 8.6L/100.

[scarry]

Can't compare a 2.0l diesel to a 5.6l v8 petrol! Completely different.

Worst we have had in our gutless amarok is 16.8L/100.
Best is 8.6L/100.

Worse for my not so gutless D4 was 18l/100 towinga 3T van into a huge headwind for 650km.
Best was 9.0l/100 empty,just driver and the dog,over 1200km.

Calculated consumption,not going by dash readout,as it is inaccurate.

I was wondering if the suspension arms on the Y62 wear out as quickly as the D3/4?

It is the maintenance costs that are the killer for the D3/4,suspension arms,timing belts,brakes,batteries,auto services,and anything else that comes along,air suspension,egrs,etc.

And I bet the D5 will be the same or worse,although the ingenium engines don’t have timing belts,but the V6 will.

[rammypluge]

So it can drink 15ltrs and it weighs 659kg less than an unladen v8 petrol powered tank! I know my diesels mate, i work with them from 5.30am to 5pm monday to Friday. Diesels are great and i would of had the cummins if it was available at the time. In saying that the big v8 cummins doesnt offer much better economy than the petrol and im glad we got the peteol. Its about 150,000 kms before you break even with the cummins according to reviews. The diesel offers great low down torque, slightly better economy and longer travel distance between fills but it also offers more noise, more things to go wrong and vulnerability to crap fuel in remote areas.

Now tell me this; Is all the extra fun and peace of mind you can have worth an additional $50 per week as a worst case scenario?

I am not advocating against the Y62 petrol. It has a good deal of things going for it.

When i used 15L/100km the GQ petrol used 30L/100km. My bill was $60 and his was $100 due to having LPG. Regardless, i generally advise him to keep it, even though he gets tempted by my great economy at times.

Modern cars suck in terms of complexity and reliability risks and stupid features and stupid non features, whether diesel or petrol.

[justinc]

Tomorrow is drive day...😎

[Hogarthde]

Tomorrow is drive day...😎
So Brown's Rd. will be closed to all other traffic,
and Summerleas to Ferntree
and Geeveston to Cockle creek. .?

dave

[1nando]

Tomorrow is drive day...[emoji41]How'd u go Jc? What colour did u choose?? [emoji6]

[justinc]

How'd u go Jc? What colour did u choose?? [emoji6]

Desert dune 'gold'. 5 months delivery but....

[rar110]

Making the jump?

[1nando]

Desert dune 'gold'. 5 months delivery but....Congrats mate, happy for you.

Expand on your experience please, im excited to hear your impression.

The mistake one makes is driving it. Assuming your looking for a family bus, test driving it is a sure way to end up with one in driveway.

[scarry]

Desert dune 'gold'. 5 months delivery but....

But...............

Saw one the other day,bar,rack,black wheels,etc....

The only issue i see,FWIW,is it is a bit big for SWMBO,the D4 is just the right size, hmmm

oh,and i can't see the brakes lasting long either,or her license...[wink11]

[justinc]

Its ok we haven't signed up just yet.... it is a huge commitment however looki ng at va lue for money and the big picture for US it is exactly what we require.
The engine and trans are just so well matched!! And all the time i was drivimg it , it reminded me of the Lexus LS430 we used to have. Silent, torquey, smooth and that beautifully understated induction and exhaust note...😍. Was also surprised at tge fuel use. I know the dash is usually optimistic however 12.5 per 100 for a freeway/ suburbs mix adding up to 85km total was pretty impressive in Melbourne morning traffic

[rammypluge]

I think the accessorised one i saw was dune gold and wow it looked good.

[rammypluge]

Unless there is a more orangey version? I thats it though.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/271.jpg

[justinc]

Making the jump?

Maybe. Keeping the 110 but😎. The l322 will be getting older and I'll be getting less inclined both fiscally and physically to keep up the maintenance and repairs. A v8 petrol one would be a good alternative however a 2011 one is still around the 55k mark... a new y62 driveaway is 72 to 74 k and full warranty 100k and 3 years... it isnt a l322 though, but is a wayyy better prospect than a lc200 in almost, actually in every , way.

Jc

[justinc]

Unless there is a more orangey version? I thats it though.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/271.jpg

Thats the colour. The bizarre thing with out last 3 cars, the LS430; bought used from port maquarie - gold. The 2004 accord v6; bought from my local panel beater mate; gold. The l332, bought used from melbourne yard; gold.... do you see a pattern emerging here???😅

[1nando]

Maybe. Keeping the 110 but[emoji41]. The l322 will be getting older and I'll be getting less inclined both fiscally and physically to keep up the maintenance and repairs. A v8 petrol one would be a good alternative however a 2011 one is still around the 55k mark... a new y62 driveaway is 72 to 74 k and full warranty 100k and 3 years... it isnt a l322 though, but is a wayyy better prospect than a lc200 in almost, actually in every , way.

JcThe Ti-L doesnt make much sense as an option to me. Its effectively $20k extra for cooled/heated seats, rear dvd players and active cruise control and some other minor things . If it was $10k more i would have bought it but at $20k more i didnt see the value. What did u think??

[justinc]

The Ti-L doesnt make much sense as an option to me. Its effectively $20k extra for cooled/heated seats, rear dvd players and active cruise control and some other minor things . If it was $10k more i would have bought it but at $20k more i didnt see the value. What did u think??
The one i looked at today was a Ti. Way more than i was expecting in the comfort , lack of NVH and appointments. Wouldn't bother with a TIL personally. 74k driveaway for a Ti 2018 build. And that included the special order paint. I thought that was pretty good considering there are 2015 ones listed at 65k!!!

[scarry]

But if doing a lot of heavy towing,the solid axle on the LC would be an advantage?

I suppose airbags maybe able to be fitted to the Y62,but thats more complications....

[justinc]

But if doing a lot of heavy towing,the solid axle on the LC would be an advantage?

I suppose airbags maybe able to be fitted to the Y62,but thats more complications....

I am thinking hard about this yes. My van is 250kg on the ball so hoping the sag is minimal. There is currently no suspension upgrade to the HBMS system available and the early models wrre the only ones without it. I gues a WDH would help but i hate them with a passipn. That IS one of my major loves with the l322. Self levelling independent suspension. Its what makes it the best towing vehicle i have ever used.

[rick130]

I'm still thinking long and hard on the gold significance JC.
I think I'll ring a really clever psych friend and bounce it off her as I'm really worried about the conclusions I've drawn... [emoji23][emoji23]

[cripesamighty]

What if the colour isn't called 'Gold', but maybe 'Straw Yellow' or some other name. That will stump the psych!

[1nando]

Offroad update;

So i decided id head up to the zig zag railway at Lithgow with my mate today who also just recently bought a pajero sport, i literally just got home.
So today was about putting the Patrol through its paces ans seeing what it could and couldnt do.

So how did it perform?

Well to be fair it performed better than what i expected but the headache driving it made it hard work and not as enjoyable as one would want. Let me explain; my Patrol is standard so therefore it doesn't have any body protection. No bullbar, rock sliders or rear bar. This is a argument I've always banged on about in regards to the d4 vs the defender and it is no different for the Patrol. Ive always believed that serious offroaders dont have vulnerable body panels.The Patrols body panels are very easily exposed to damage and as a result you spend every second making sure the body of the vehicle isnt about to colide with something. Then theres the fact that It's too big!
The approach and departure angles are quite good, but the wheel track and width of the thing makes it a nightmare to negotiate on tight tracks and i found myself reversing back on a couple of them as the reward of driving them wasnt worth the risk of damage, and or the mrs killing me.

The HBMC (hydraulic body motion control) which tries to make the suspension act similar to a live axle works amazingly well. Must admit better than expected but in no way as good as real live axles. The pick below shows some of the flex, its impresive for such a big family bus. The hbmc system really shines on high speed dirt roads and the cabin is quiet as a result of the superb setup.

I thought being a petrol that low gearbox driving may see me struggling to find a sweet throttle input to maintain vehcile control. Put simply this engine is amazing! It has so much power and torque that you dont need to ring its neck out to get it moving and control isnt an issue, very responsive. The different terrain modes either delay or speed up throttle response and 4wd system and drivetrain is very compliant. The drive train feels like it was pulled of a truck and installed in the Patrol, it just feels solid.

The rear diff lock is excellent and provides peace of mind in low traction situations. The TC in the front is unbelievable which does not in any way suprise me as this is the same company that manufactures the skykine GTR.

So whats my verdict?

Its a great family bus that will easily get me to camp and back. To do the tuff stuff it needs the body protected and even then its always going to have the fatal flaw of being too big. The suspension is great and very comfortable and long trips on dirt roads wouldnt be an issue at all.

If i had to rate its offroad ability Id give it 6.5 out of 10. As a compariosn id give my standard 110 puma a 8/10 and after all my mods a 10/10. If i was to modidy the Patrol with 34" tyres and body protection it would only ever be a 8/10 max. I cant see this vehcile ever being a 10/10 off road.
On road id rate the patrol a solid 9.5/10. So thats a combined (on road/off road) score of 16 out of 20.
Id give the defender a 4 on road so the defender would rate 14/20 overall. The reason i rate the defener on road so low is that it lacks in safety, quietness/refinement , mod cons, comfort (even though i think my defender was very comfortable) and the ability to overtake without issue, it simply does not even come close to the Patrol.

Even though the blokes on the Patrol forum will tell u otherwise i can confirm that a y62 is no where near as good or capable offroad as a defender puma. Even with a lot of money thrown at it i dont beleive id ever be able to make the Patrol as good as my defender offroad. In saying that a defender would never match the Patrol any where else. Completely different vehicles i know but it's the only first hand experience i can give.

So is this the right vehicle for my life style and my family? Absolutely!

Hope u enjoyed the write up guys, i tried to be as unbiased as possible and i honestly beleive its a fair write up.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/283.jpg

[grey_ghost]

Great, honest, fair write up! As someone that doesn’t have a Patrol or Defender - thanks for the write up. [emoji1303]

[uninformed]

Good stuff 👍

dont worry about not wanting to hurt the bodywork. Who in their right mind would want to on such a new and expensive vehicle. That’s what older knock about rigs are for. The defender by natural is less susceptible to body damage, but if you had a brand new one , paid the same $$$ as your y62 I bet just as cautious or worried. It’s always a tough one. Having new with the compromise of on road and off . Sounds like you have a winner

[justinc]

Well... where to start...😣..

Got off the plane this arvo and after getting home, we took the rangie into 'town' to get some shopping done. We then took a leisurely drive down the channel highway to middleton and back. 10.2l/100. Wafting along in silence and total comfort, that suspension soaking up the crappy road with ease... i felt totally content.

I also found myself AGAIN looking back at the Rangie as i walked to the shops... and admired its shape and lines as i got back.

Im afraid the Nissan would have none of these attributes and me being me would find it upsetting to say the least. I like to CONNECT with my vehicles. I like to LOVE them as i drive them. The 110 is the same in a different situation. They are just so at home in the dirt and offroad environment. And so awesome offroad.

I'm feeling the pendulum swinging back again, even though i 100% agree with the report from 1Nando about its road manners and driveability , i fear its character is lacking. That can never be built in in my opinion.

So heart or head?? How will i decide??

😢😢😢

[1nando]

Well... where to start...[emoji21]..

Got off the plane this arvo and after getting home, we took the rangie into 'town' to get some shopping done. We then took a leisurely drive down the channel highway to middleton and back. 10.2l/100. Wafting along in silence and total comfort, that suspension soaking up the crappy road with ease... i felt totally content.

I also found myself AGAIN looking back at the Rangie as i walked to the shops... and admired its shape and lines as i got back.

Im afraid the Nissan would have none of these attributes and me being me would find it upsetting to say the least. I like to CONNECT with my vehicles. I like to LOVE them as i drive them. The 110 is the same in a different situation. They are just so at home in the dirt and offroad environment. And so awesome offroad.

I'm feeling the pendulum swinging back again, even though i 100% agree with the report from 1Nando about its road manners and driveability , i fear its character is lacking. That can never be built in in my opinion.

So heart or head?? How will i decide??

[emoji22][emoji22][emoji22]I agree with you. I like the Patrol amd its perfect for our situation but i dont love like i did the 110

[rammypluge]

When it comes to how good a y62 can be made for offroading, a starting point is to look at what has already been done. However, i have looked at times, and never really found anything?

What is the biggest no mod tyre size that will fit in the arches? What mods are required to fit bigger than that? How much do the swaybars limit flex and are gains possible by changing things there? Can longer shocks be fitted or shock spacers without damaging cv's or creating other issues? Are longer shocks available or able to be sourced? Is subframe spacing an option? Are good rock sliders and a rear bar available? Front diff lock?

I cant quite remember what the std shock system does and whether its something you really dont want to swap out.

It doesnt have the high sills of the defender, but replacement front and rear bars can typically create approach and departures angles and clearance similar enough to that of a defender.

[rammypluge]

Its interesting isnt it how european vehicles and motorbikes can be loved or hated, or often both, whereas asian vehicles and motorbikes dont register so much in that area?

[justinc]

When it comes to how good a y62 can be made for offroading, a starting point is to look at what has already been done. However, i have looked at times, and never really found anything?

What is the biggest no mod tyre size that will fit in the arches? What mods are required to fit bigger than that? How much do the swaybars limit flex and are gains possible by changing things there? Can longer shocks be fitted or shock spacers without damaging cv's or creating other issues? Are longer shocks available or able to be sourced? Is subframe spacing an option? Are good rock sliders and a rear bar available? Front diff lock?

I cant quite remember what the std shock system does and whether its something you really dont want to swap out.

It doesnt have the high sills of the defender, but replacement front and rear bars can typically create approach and departures angles and clearance similar enough to that of a defender.

Fortunately i will be keeping my 110 for any offroad and remote area touring activities so im fine in that department. I was going to take on a y62 for its towing and long distance touring mainly bitumen and gravel roads. It does this with ease and i can say that it IS a close run thing with the L322 at the moment. If my Rangie was a tdv8 for example strangely enough i would have less of a problem with my decision, mostly due to the future repair and maintenance of a twin turbo crd engine at high kms...😣. The little td6 when remapped is quite enough for towing the van, easy to work on and bulletproof. The 5spd auto on the other hand is my main area of concern. I think it will come down to a list of costings to futureproof the RR. So gearbox overhaul/ strengthening, new air suspension allround, assorted bushes etc and some cosmetics on a vehicle that i adore and enjoy drivin immensely, and importantly tows our loaded van with aplomb in all conditions, vs a 75k outlay on a newv100000km warranted very capable yet somewhat characterless vehicle.
For those wondering what the hell is happening down here for various reasons we have decided to sell up and travel/ work . This is a big life change however we are looking forward to it immensely, and also hopefully meeting some of you lot and maybe even getting to work on your landies!!😎

[uninformed]

@justinc

JC, what year, engine is your L322? so we know what you are comparing

[justinc]

2005 td6 vogue. 165k remapped to about 480Nm. Std vehicle otherwise.
Has 19" rims and a conversion to the supercharged v8 360mm brembo front brakes.

Jc

[uninformed]

@justinc

"For those wondering what the hell is happening down here for various reasons we have decided to sell up and travel/ work . This is a big life change however we are looking forward to it immensely, and also hopefully meeting some of you lot and maybe even getting to work on your landies!!😎"

Good on you mate!

[1nando]

When it comes to how good a y62 can be made for offroading, a starting point is to look at what has already been done. However, i have looked at times, and never really found anything?

What is the biggest no mod tyre size that will fit in the arches? What mods are required to fit bigger than that? How much do the swaybars limit flex and are gains possible by changing things there? Can longer shocks be fitted or shock spacers without damaging cv's or creating other issues? Are longer shocks available or able to be sourced? Is subframe spacing an option? Are good rock sliders and a rear bar available? Front diff lock?

I cant quite remember what the std shock system does and whether its something you really dont want to swap out.

It doesnt have the high sills of the defender, but replacement front and rear bars can typically create approach and departures angles and clearance similar enough to that of a defender.35s can be fitted on the standard suspension according to the forum with a particular offset.
The standard suspension in my opinion is perfect, if i was to change something it would probably be for hd springs.
Yes rear bar, bull bars and sliders are available.
I think eventually ill do a bullbar, sliders and ko2s in the same size as standard (33s) but even then it wouldnt be as good as the defender offroad. To be fair i wouldnt want it to as good as the defender offroad anyway cause its just too nice.

Also you have to keep in mind that the Patrol is a very refined vehicle, although its built as a HD vehicle its very luxurious and comfortable so your sacrificing one attribute for another.

What the Patrol offers is its ability to be a very solid all rounder. As JC said it lacks character, but what it does have is confidence inspiring build quality with no known issues. Its boring to own cause theres nothing to improve. You know that you can just get in it drive anywhere you want and it will comply.

Something i forgot to mention in my report is that even with 18 inch rims the Patrol comes with 33s standard so tyre pressures are not an issue. It comes with a 4wd friendly tyre size not like some of its competitors.

[justinc]

I'm researching the sls for the rear at the moment. I have spoken with a very helpful hobart forum member who is happy to let me hook up my van for a quick try. His warning was that a 250kg ball weight will result in easily 50mm sag... won't be too impressed if i have to immediately fit heavy duty rear coils.. thar beauty of the self levelling air is having cake and eating it😎

[rammypluge]

I'm researching the sls for the rear at the moment. I have spoken with a very helpful hobart forum member who is happy to let me hook up my van for a quick try. His warning was that a 250kg ball weight will result in easily 50mm sag... won't be too impressed if i have to immediately fit heavy duty rear coils.. thar beauty of the self levelling air is having cake and eating it[emoji41]Polyaires.

[rammypluge]

35s can be fitted on the standard suspension according to the forum with a particular offset.
The standard suspension in my opinion is perfect, if i was to change something it would probably be for hd springs.
Yes rear bar, bull bars and sliders are available.
I think eventually ill do a bullbar, sliders and ko2s in the same size as standard (33s) but even then it wouldnt be as good as the defender offroad. To be fair i wouldnt want it to as good as the defender offroad anyway cause its just too nice.

Also you have to keep in mind that the Patrol is a very refined vehicle, although its built as a HD vehicle its very luxurious and comfortable so your sacrificing one attribute for another.

What the Patrol offers is its ability to be a very solid all rounder. As JC said it lacks character, but what it does have is confidence inspiring build quality with no known issues. Its boring to own cause theres nothing to improve. You know that you can just get in it drive anywhere you want and it will comply.

Something i forgot to mention in my report is that even with 18 inch rims the Patrol comes with 33s standard so tyre pressures are not an issue. It comes with a 4wd friendly tyre size not like some of its competitors.

If it was me i would definitely fit 35's. Heavy car needs flotation, you get extra ground clearance, better appr/ramp/depart angles, fix speedo inaccuracy, etc. They would reduce the risk of damage to the car, which makes offroading less stressful and keeps the car nicer.

With 35's and a bit of suspension lift, barwork, and with the std rear diff lock and front tc, you wont notice its size offroad, because you wont have to do fancy lines, you will just be able to drive it. Pinstriping becomes the only issue.

I agree that the hate aspect of owning euro can make the hasslefree aspect of jap a breath of fresh air.

[justinc]

Polyaires.

Not a fan of them at all...

Jc

[Vern]

35s can be fitted on the standard suspension according to the forum with a particular offset.
The standard suspension in my opinion is perfect, if i was to change something it would probably be for hd springs.
Yes rear bar, bull bars and sliders are available.
I think eventually ill do a bullbar, sliders and ko2s in the same size as standard (33s) but even then it wouldnt be as good as the defender offroad. To be fair i wouldnt want it to as good as the defender offroad anyway cause its just too nice.

Also you have to keep in mind that the Patrol is a very refined vehicle, although its built as a HD vehicle its very luxurious and comfortable so your sacrificing one attribute for another.

What the Patrol offers is its ability to be a very solid all rounder. As JC said it lacks character, but what it does have is confidence inspiring build quality with no known issues. Its boring to own cause theres nothing to improve. You know that you can just get in it drive anywhere you want and it will comply.

Something i forgot to mention in my report is that even with 18 inch rims the Patrol comes with 33s standard so tyre pressures are not an issue. It comes with a 4wd friendly tyre size not like some of its competitors.Following this thread closely, have had a chat with wifey in regards to it might be time to hand up my land rover boots, and this nissan is impressing me a fair bit.
Keep us updated to how it goes, my only concern is mileage when things start to get tough.

[ozscott]

I thought these were very slow selling due to lack of a diesel option. I had a feeling that Nissan were not going to bring them in any more? If they are likely to close the tap I wonder if parts will be a problem down the track, although they won't need parts like a Land Rover needs preventative maintenance and you could import from USA/Middle East.

Cheers

[rick130]

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread yet, but reading up a little, the HBMC suspension is actually a full Kinetic setup!

[shanegtr]

I thought these were very slow selling due to lack of a diesel option. I had a feeling that Nissan were not going to bring them in any more? If they are likely to close the tap I wonder if parts will be a problem down the track, although they won't need parts like a Land Rover needs preventative maintenance and you could import from USA/Middle East.

Cheers
Well there will never be a shortage of parts in the world as they sell well in countries that are not so hung up on diesel. The arab countries got the Y62 3 or 4 years before it come to Australia

[ozscott]

Yep the Arabs love them. You need grunt and good air con there. Articulation isn't a biggy for them.

Cheers

[justinc]

I think that hbmc is a good system. No pumps etc and a simple robust design.

Jc

[1nando]

I thought these were very slow selling due to lack of a diesel option. I had a feeling that Nissan were not going to bring them in any more? If they are likely to close the tap I wonder if parts will be a problem down the track, although they won't need parts like a Land Rover needs preventative maintenance and you could import from USA/Middle East.

CheersI doubt nissan will stop selling these over here as its there flagship vehicle. With all the diesel emissions and common rail issues i think petrol has closed and is closing the gap.

[1nando]

Following this thread closely, have had a chat with wifey in regards to it might be time to hand up my land rover boots, and this nissan is impressing me a fair bit.
Keep us updated to how it goes, my only concern is mileage when things start to get tough.Mate it will drink as much as you let it or force it. It can quiet easily drink 20+ ltrs/100 if you drive like a spastic. I live in the eastern suburbs of sydeny where getting anywhere is usually a lot of slow driving with constant stopping and starting amd im averaging 15ltrs/100 with 30% (guessing) freeway/hwy runs per tank.
Off road yesterday doing the slow stuff its about 20ltrs/100. Driving around its around on the dirt below 60kmph its about 16, cruising om corragations at 80kmph ots about 11-12.

[rammypluge]

Cost of ownership:
- Depreciation
- Fuel consumption
- Maintenance and servicing costs
- Equity
- Cost of modifications to achieve goals

I know a guy that owns a 100 series petrol and keeps complaining about the fuel usage cost, and is considering buying a GL320. I keep telling him that the 100 series is actually a cheap car for its size and capability considering its costing him so little in all the other areas.

[justinc]

I'm up to here;
A 165k old complex 2005 model l322 vogue
Needs tyres shortly
Small a mount of clear peeling on roof
Interior reasonable
Unsure how the future will treat it if we end up in the tropics
Regarding moisture humidity and heat.
Air suspension rear bags and struts will likely req replacement
in about 40k.
Imjectors, turbo and fuel pumps were replaced at 110k sso should be ok but HPFP still original
In the future i am unlikely to be financially or physically able to perform large jobs etc without a fully equipped workshop.
The biggest unknown is the trans. I could spend 5k on it and it may still die while hauling 3t around... then i really am in trouble 😣

Anyway after we tally up the available funds that will appear after the van and rangie are paid out then the swap to a patrol becomes viable.

Jc

[justinc]

AND i get to keep the 110😍

[1nando]

AND i get to keep the 110[emoji7]You'd have the best of both worlds; a solid, reliable and HD jap tank and a go anywhere little fuss 110. Wish i could have kept the 110.....then i wouldnt of needed the Patrol and started this thread.

In saying that we just found out we're pregnant and going to have our second child. The $65k i got for the 110 makes a lot of sense now and im happy the head won this battle over the heart.

Although it lacks the character of the defender it will take us to many amazing places where life long memories will be created, at least i hope so.

[justinc]

You'd have the best of both worlds; a solid, reliable and HD jap tank and a go anywhere little fuss 110. Wish i could have kept the 110.....then i wouldnt of needed the Patrol and started this thread.

In saying that we just found out we're pregnant and going to have our second child. The $65k i got for the 110 makes a lot of sense now and im happy the head won this battle over the heart.

Although it lacks the character of the defender it will take us to many amazing places where life long memories will be created, at least i hope so.


Wow!!! Many many congratulations!!!!😊😊😊😊

[Shoogs]

AND i get to keep the 110��

Mate we did the same, I have the Camel, wife has a petrol 200, might look at a Y62 but at the moment it doesn't quite make sense, we picked up a 6 year old car for 55k with 60k/kms on it for 30k less than a diesel, ridiculously competent and lovely to drive... I did look at a S/C L322, but same as you just not quite sure...

Anyway the 110 will make you smile, the Y62 will remove the niggling doubt every time you turn the key/push button etc...