Pondering a TVan in 2018

[Bytemrk]

I'm pondering the idea of buying a Track TVan next year.

Most of the time I travel alone and either swag or tent it.... but I'm thinking in the next couple of years of doing a few extended trips, where the swag would rapidly get tiring.... maybe I'm just getting old and lusting after a little comfort[tonguewink].

My current budget doesn't get me a new one - and of course what I can afford and what I like, never seem to meet. [bighmmm]

They do however seem to hold there value very well - so starting to think pushing the limits of my budget may not necessarily end up in a big capital loss when I sell it.


I don't want to go to a caravan - I'm after something that will follow the car anywhere I want to take it. I also don't want to spend an hour or more setting up canvas and pulling it down when ever i stop for the night. From what I can see, TVan seems to offer the flexibility in set up that would suit me.

Those that I know who have used them seem very happy with them..... I'll probably hire one for a trip before I commit, but has anyone got any experience or feedback that might be helpful to me?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

sook...
[bigrolf]



The Tvan will make a much larger target at night,,, [bigwhistle]

[biggin]

A close friend of mine had a new one for about 5 or 6 years. He loved how he could just pull up, open the back door and jump into bed. I think he lost a grand when he sold it.
BiL has one also, and loves it. Both have had no major problems.
They are a big investment though.

[Lee Jackson]

Mark have you thought about a camper trailer. There are heaps of them on the market and much more affordable.

Also happy to go travelling with you. :)

[Lee Jackson]

Crap nearly spat out my coffee. I just saw the price... 77k for the Mk5.

[PhilipA]

If you don't have the money for a Tvan can I suggest a pre 2004 Queensland built Camp'o'matic.

I have had one for 11 years and it has been everywhere man without any problems to speak of, and my daughter has just bought one.

Overnight setup takes all of one minute to undo a centre bolt and undo 2 catches and you are set up for overnight to the same degree of protection as a Tvan IE no awning .
And they are by far the lightest of the hard floor campers, if you get a base model.
The only advantage I see with a Tvan is that if the canvas is soaking wet on aTvan you can with difficulty pack the wet canvas into the rear door where it can drain out, whereas with a Camp'o'matic you will have to open it again in a couple of days to prevent mould, although I reckon a Tvan would get mould anyway. The bed will not get wet in a Campo especially if you place a blue tarp over it if packing up wet.

I looked carefully at a Tvan to the extent of stuffing the canvas into the door at a show, but ultimately LOL bought my 1997 Camp'o'matic for about 10K all of 11 years ago with the plan that by spending so little we could afford motels if the weather looked crap.
I have not regretted it..
Regards Philip A

[loanrangie]

A whole lot of $ for a solo traveller, what about a patriot or similar style camper ?

[biggin]

If you're not in a hurry, I suggest a visit to a Leisurefest if they have one near you. The recent one at Sandown Park in Melbourne must have had a hundred different camp trailers and off-road vans, all discounted.
I nearly came away with a camp trailer myself.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

a camper trailer and Tvan are two different things,,

Pioneer noe make something similar Mark,,https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/563.jpg
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[Bytemrk]

Mark have you thought about a camper trailer. There are heaps of them on the market and much more affordable.

Also happy to go travelling with you. :)

I've actually still got a Tambo Cooper that I've had for close to 15 years, but its far more practical for the family and requires a bit of setup and pull down - not really what I want for quick over night stops. I haven't used it in over 5 years.



Crap nearly spat out my coffee. I just saw the price... 77k for the Mk5.

[bigrolf][bigrolf] As I said, budget doesn't Quite stretch to a new one.

[Bytemrk]

A whole lot of $ for a solo traveller, what about a patriot or similar style camper ?

Exactly why I'm still pondering and researching.

Heart says TVan - head says take a really good look around at alternatives [wink11]... we'll see, I've seen a few second hand TVans that have been very tempting, it's partly a question of how old am I happy to go.

[harro]

Exactly why I'm still pondering and researching.

Heart says TVan - head says take a really good look around at alternatives [wink11]... we'll see, I've seen a few second hand TVans that have been very tempting, it's partly a question of how old am I happy to go.

We towed our Kimberley Platinum down the CSR this year.
For the entire trip we noticed one Conqueror, and the rest were ALL Tvans.

says something about them, I don’t think you would be disappointed.

Paul.

[cjc_td5]

For the sort of money you are talking for a T-Van you could buy a Perentie, put a hard top on it, and take it instead, sleeping in the back!

[Tins]

For the sort of money you are talking for a T-Van you could buy a Perentie, put a hard top on it, and take it instead, sleeping in the back!

Mark did mention comfort though, Chris. He probably wants some when he's driving as well.[bigsad]

[Ean Austral]

For the sort of money you are talking for a T-Van you could buy a Perentie, put a hard top on it, and take it instead, sleeping in the back!

OR a 6x6 ambulance and you will prolly already have 2 beds in there already....


The main question from me is "how serious offroad trips are you considering " the Tvan to me is for serious offroad and that's where the $$ come in to all camper trailers .

If you are looking at just needing one for ease of set up and don't need the super doper suspension set ups that seem to be better than most 4x4 have, then there are plenty of hard floor campers around that can be set up in a few minutes and folded back up by 1 person. We have a pioneer camper and I can set that up on my own in less than 5mins and it has a hand winch similar to what you see on boat trailers and you just winch away and fold it back up , you need to tuck the sides in , but no longer than 5 mins to pack up.

Pioneer certainly are at the mid to lower spec of the market but for what we need its perfect, its done the Kimberley and plenty of off road spots up here , plus been dragged about 3/4 of the highways around the country. I wouldn't take it on the CSR , altho I think it would handle it.

Camper trailers are like caravans , thousands out there you just need to go and test them to see what suits your needs

cheers Ean

[PhilipA]

Funny < I reckon in my travels that Ultimate is the most common in the rough places followed maybe by Tvan and an amazing number of Camp'o'Matics seeing they are now not so popular.

I don't like Ultimates due to inside kitchen , flip over bed, height, and small awnings. And they still have canvas as does the Tvan which must be unpacked quickly if packed up wet.
IMHO , the Op should look at weight if he plans to tow on sandy or steep tracks.
Regards Philip A

[Ean Austral]

Funny < I reckon in my travels that Ultimate is the most common in the rough places followed maybe by Tvan and an amazing number of Camp'o'Matics seeing they are now not so popular.

I don't like Ultimates due to inside kitchen , flip over bed, height, and small awnings. And they still have canvas as does the Tvan which must be unpacked quickly if packed up wet.
IMHO , the Op should look at weight if he plans to tow on sandy or steep tracks.
Regards Philip A

We looked at an Ultimate , mainly because it was 3 streets away from home, as soon as the boss seen the inside kitchen and the flip style bed it was struck off the list straight away.

KK would be the most common we have seen in our travels, our pioneer is basically the same style just doesn't have as well set up kitchen..


Cheers Ean

[harro]

We looked at an Ultimate , mainly because it was 3 streets awa y from home, as soon as the boss seen the inside kitchen and the flip style bed it was struck off the list straight away.

KK would be the most common we have seen in our travels, our pioneer is basically the same style just doesn't have as well set up kitchen..


Cheers Ean

We dismissed the Ultimate for similar reasons.
I personally like the Tvan but the other half didn’t like the confined sleeping arrangement.
It does look a bit claustrophobic and probably something to think about.

In the end the KK ticked all the boxes for comfort although packing it up can be a bit tiresome if you are moving every day.

Our next move will be to a hybrid of some sort.

Paul.

[Bytemrk]

Thanks all - some good thoughts here.


For the sort of money you are talking for a T-Van you could buy a Perentie, put a hard top on it, and take it instead, sleeping in the back!

Chris - you are right I could buy a Perentie or a 6x6 well within the budget I am thinking. I'll have a think about it....but I'm not sure that would cover all I am trying to do.




The main question from me is "how serious offroad trips are you considering " the Tvan to me is for serious offroad and that's where the $$ come in to all camper trailers .



Ean, I guess the answer there is I'm kind of looking for a long term one size fits all solution for myself..

How serious?.. Often not very serious at all.

But I don't want something following the car that would impact where I decide to drive - where ever the car goes, I want this capable of following.

Whether that be pottering around the Flinders Ranges or something more challenging or remote like Wonnangatta, Googs Track, Gary Highway or the Canning.

I'm hoping over the next 5- 10 years or so to do a lot more long trips so I'm really looking for something that fits the quick over nighter through to the couple of weeks base camp scenario.

I also want to keep the weight down (My fatty D4 weighs enough as it is!) and you get a lot of stuff in a Tvan that weighs in around 1 tonne before I put my junk in it.


Philip I looked at the Ultimate, but like others I'm not a fan of the internal Kitchen etc. I will check out the Camp'o'matics though, thats a product I have not taken a good look at.

[rar110]

I reckon the Tvan ticks a lot of boxes. It would be my choice.

Has there been many changes over the years?

[Tombie]

We have a few guys here that purchased very good examples of Tvans 2nd hand for around $25k

The 3 I know of are dated but still in very good condition and seen a lot of places without issue...

[Bytemrk]

I reckon the Tvan ticks a lot of boxes. It would be my choice.

Has there been many changes over the years?

Yeh, there have been quite a few changes over the years - but all based around the same fundamental design.. The current range is a Mk5.

Starting point for second hand built in the early -mid 2000's is in the low $20k's

If I lost the plot completely and really optioned up a brand new top of the range 2017, I could walk away a bit over $80K lighter [bighmmm].

What suits me will probably end up somewhere in the middle - most likely closer to the starting point [biggrin]. Just depends what I find when as I look.

[cjc_td5]

Hi Bytemark.
I have always admired Tvans also. I would find it hard to justify towing one if travelling solo though. The main changes over the models appear to be subtle changes to the main shape to improve headroom over the head of the bed.

I would be looking for a basic model without the huge storage box on the front (presuming you have a fridge setup in your vehicle) to keep towed weight to a minimum.

[Bytemrk]

Thanks Chris,

Was kind of thinking that way..... however it would be very handy to get some weight OUT of the disco Mine is very close to the line when I'm loaded with full fuel tanks etc. - so moving tools, camp cooking stuff and fridge into the trailer have potential benefits.

Surprisingly even with the box on the front with a fridge in it - there are people that are managing to get ball weights down around 120Kg by packing it right. The later ones have a large water tank behind the axle which obviously helps.

I think I will find an opportunity to hire one for a week or so before I make the jump. If I don't do it before hand, I might even turn up to Cooma with a hire TVan - we'll see.

[Ean Austral]

Thanks Chris,

Was kind of thinking that way..... however it would be very handy to get some weight OUT of the disco Mine is very close to the line when I'm loaded with full fuel tanks etc. - so moving tools, camp cooking stuff and fridge into the trailer have potential benefits.

Surprisingly even with the box on the front with a fridge in it - there are people that are managing to get ball weights down around 120Kg by packing it right. The later ones have a large water tank behind the axle which obviously helps.

I think I will find an opportunity to hire one for a week or so before I make the jump. If I don't do it before hand, I might even turn up to Cooma with a hire TVan - we'll see.

Personally unless you have 2 fridge's ,I prefer the fridge in the car . each for there own , but I prefer the storage box on the front instead of the fridge box , move most of the cooking gear and other stuff out of the car. Pioneer made a few of the upper spec models with both on a longer drawbar but for the extra cost I prefer the storage box option.


I know all wont agree but that's just my 2c worth

Cheers Ean

[DI5CO]

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The Tvans are awesome!! Very easy to set up and pack down, hard roof and walls, no wet canvas over the bed when you pack up and you don’t need a cover over the bed.
Disclaimer: I DO work at Track Trailer so a little biased[emoji23].
Feel free to come in and see me and more than happy to talk about your needs, even for 2nd hand units. Happy to give advice even if you do buy another brand. Whatever suits your budget and needs.
The Track forum is also a good place for info too.
Dave.

[Bytemrk]

Thanks Dave,

I may just do that, I've already jumped on the forum there.

Was that your white Disco in the car park there Yesterday when I was wandering around the Factory tour?

Impressive setup you guys have...

They do look good behind a white D4 hey!! [bigwhistle].............................[biggrin]

[DI5CO]

Haha no mine was out in the street but at one point there was 3 white Discos in the car park!!
Just let me know when you want to pop in to make sure I’m there[emoji3]

[Bytemrk]

Will do... I suspect one of those White Discos was mine [biggrin]

[rar110]

Dave
I would also like Mark like to go from a hard floor camper to a tvan. I have a RAAF trailer so love the build etc. I see some common elements going over to the tvan other than suspension. But I’m in the used market under $30k. What’s a good year or feature to go for, or doesn’t it matter? I like the pullout kitchen as a must and would prefer the front storage. Ta.

[DI5CO]

Really I guess the newer the better but there weren’t many changes in the Mk2’s. It will really just come down to what each van you look has on it. There were different spec models but you could always add options. Pretty much all of them will have the pull out kitchen.
Front boxes weren’t available back then, Track only offered a 1/2 front box (fridge one side and jerries the other) as an option later on but we haven’t fitted one for ages as low volume sheet metal is quite expensive. Most will add their own type by getting one custom made. You will need to ensure it has the extended drawbar, there was a long and short drawbar with the Mk 2’s. If it doesn’t, it’s not the end of the world as as track can add a long drawbar extension. If you do add the full box then the batteries have to be moved to the back of the van like the current versions. Track won’t do this so you will need to do it yourself or get someone to do it. Owners on the forum have done this, it’s a bit of messing around but it can be done. Also the newer front boxes are wider than the van but this hasn’t worried the people that have done them. Join the forum, it’s not run by Track, just enthusiasts, so is totally open unlike some of the other manufacturers where it is a closed group. There is also a Tvan Facebook page run by owners that’s also worth checking out.

[Strop]

So if you are after a bit of comfort instead of the swag why not something like a James Baroud Clamshell tent on the roof. If the rest of the car is setup perhaps a cheaper option.

Love the T-Vans though and their versatility.

[Mick_Marsh]

.
Right! You're in for it now.
I'm after some parts for my Track trailer. You'll be able to tell me what I need.

Mark, you've seen Kyle's setup. I'm assuming you're wanting to do "Kyle" type trips.
Anything else is either too basic or over the top. The T-Van is the perfect choice.
It even comes in "appliance white".

[Bytemrk]

So if you are after a bit of comfort instead of the swag why not something like a James Baroud Clamshell tent on the roof. If the rest of the car is setup perhaps a cheaper option.

Love the T-Vans though and their versatility.

Weight is the main reason for a trailer rather than a rooftop tent.

Once you stick a long range tank, Kaymar rear wheel carrier, bull bar, rock sliders, roofrack, fridge and camping gear on a D4.... you don't have GVM capacity for passengers! ( Don't ask me how I know[bighmmm])

So while money is always a factor - with the kids grown up and more solo time to do as I want.... a TVan or similar has a lot of attraction.

[Bytemrk]

Mark, you've seen Kyle's setup. I'm assuming you're wanting to do "Kyle" type trips.
Anything else is either too basic or over the top. The T-Van is the perfect choice.
It even comes in "appliance white".

As usual Mr Marsh - you are exactly right [thumbsupbig]

[LRD414]

Mark, it sounds like you're pretty set and on the money for your needs. However, I wonder if you were too quick to write-off a small offroad caravan as an option?

I'm pretty confident mine will go anywhere a TVan will go. We looked at a lot of options before moving on from the foward-fold camper trailer and I think the right hybrid van can provide the best of both worlds between camping & comfort. Same width as the D4 and very close to same track, 2.2m height when driving and 140kg ball weight when fully loaded. That includes 190L water (two tanks), 2 gas bottles, 80L fridge, nice kitchen on runners, 2x110ah batteries, 300W solar, 4-6 weeks of food and drink and a very comfy queen bed that doesn't require any setup once arrived in camp. I don't think you'd find a quicker or easier set-up/pack-up, which is great for outback trips where there's lots of single night stops to make the long distances required when touring. The type of awning is a major factor with set-up, especially if you're planning some solo trips.

Anyway, it may sound like merely justifying what I've purchased and perhaps out of your budget but regardless at least food for thought.

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Cheers,
Scott

[Bytemrk]

Thanks Scott,

I am leaning strongly towards TVan - BUT the purchase wont be till earlyish next year , so trying hard to keep my mind open to ideas.... looks like a great van.

[barney]

The T van is a great piece of gear, well made, functional and easy to set up.
But the big question is - how much will you be using it? I went through the same dilemma a few years back. I had to consider how much I could afford, against how much I would realistically be using it.

I bought a hard floor camper. It was basically one of those cheap Chinese ones. I bought it from a guy that hires them out, he has a "fleet" of three of them, running it as a side business to his normal job. For reliability, he gets rid of the crappy Chinese independent suspension and brakes and replaces them with locally sought Alko gear (leaf springs) which is more reliable, more robust and easy to get parts for in remote areas. He makes some other mods to make them more durable.
The one I bought was 3 years old and being retired, for the previous hirers, he had fitted a solar panel and battery system and the week before I picked it up he was worried about a stain on it, that he couldn't remove, so he put a new tent on it.
All for an exorbitant $8000 . It only takes about 10 minutes to set up, about the same time it would a Tvan if you were to extend the tent section. (I know this because I used one for a while)

In the past year, I have only used it probably 4 times. A couple of these were extended trips (more than a weekend) and a couple were just overnighters. Although I was out of action for a few months after a shoulder reconstruction.
I expect my annual usage of the camper will be 6 - 8 trips a year. For that, I couldn't justify forking out more than I did.

While it's not the be all and end all of campers, it has a comfy bed, it keeps me dry, it is easy to set up, it handles most off road work, it tows easy, the kitchen is functional and it has sufficient storage.

[Numb Thumbs]

Have you looked at the VistaRV Crossover? It is a Tvan for grownups...

No canvas, very fast setup and will go wherever you choose to tow it.

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[bh1]

I second Numb Thumb's suggestion. I have had a Vistarv Crossover for 7 years and it goes wherever my car can go. Lots of comfort and conveience and no wet canvas.
It only takes 30 seconds to open the roof and you are ready for a good night's sleep.
They maintain their value as I have upgraded to the XL version and sold my old Classic model for almost what I paid for it.

[DiscoMick]

We have looked at T vans and hybrids but can't justify the cost compared with using the money in other ways. Each to his own.

[Numb Thumbs]

Here is the Owners Forum:

VistaRV Crossover Owners Group - Australia4WD Forum (http://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?/forum/166-vistarv-crossover-owners-group/)

You will find both bh1 and I on there.

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Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Saitch]

I'm pondering the idea of buying a Track TVan next year.

Most of the time I travel alone and either swag or tent it.... but I'm thinking in the next couple of years of doing a few extended trips, where the swag would rapidly get tiring.... maybe I'm just getting old and lusting after a little comfort[tonguewink].

My current budget doesn't get me a new one - and of course what I can afford and what I like, never seem to meet. [bighmmm]

They do however seem to hold there value very well - so starting to think pushing the limits of my budget may not necessarily end up in a big capital loss when I sell it.


I don't want to go to a caravan - I'm after something that will follow the car anywhere I want to take it. I also don't want to spend an hour or more setting up canvas and pulling it down when ever i stop for the night. From what I can see, TVan seems to offer the flexibility in set up that would suit me.

Those that I know who have used them seem very happy with them..... I'll probably hire one for a trip before I commit, but has anyone got any experience or feedback that might be helpful to me?

If you haven't already might be worth a visit here : MySwag.org The Off-road Camper Trailer Forum - Index (http://www.myswag.org/)

Good Luck
Steve

[trebor]

I'm pondering the idea of buying a Track TVan next year.

Most of the time I travel alone and either swag or tent it.... but I'm thinking in the next couple of years of doing a few extended trips, where the swag would rapidly get tiring.... maybe I'm just getting old and lusting after a little comfort[tonguewink].

My current budget doesn't get me a new one - and of course what I can afford and what I like, never seem to meet. [bighmmm]

They do however seem to hold there value very well - so starting to think pushing the limits of my budget may not necessarily end up in a big capital loss when I sell it.


I don't want to go to a caravan - I'm after something that will follow the car anywhere I want to take it. I also don't want to spend an hour or more setting up canvas and pulling it down when ever i stop for the night. From what I can see, TVan seems to offer the flexibility in set up that would suit me.

Those that I know who have used them seem very happy with them..... I'll probably hire one for a trip before I commit, but has anyone got any experience or feedback that might be helpful to me?


I've hired a TVan in Adelaide on three occasions since 2014 taking it to the Victorian High Country and twice up through Birdsville, Mt Isa and Lorella Springs in the Gulf country. It's a fabulous piece of equipment. However, on the third hire we drove through some heavy rain near Borroloola and on setting up camp that night discovered the inside was drenched with muddy coloured water. Apparently that particular unit upon an investigation had not been sealed properly, which the manufacturer acknowledged and for which I received partial compensation.

Would I hire a TVan again? Yes I would. What I particularly like about it is its hard roof. As it happened though, I purchased a demo Ultimate Camper.

Nick

[fclandy]

All-alloy, extremely quick up and down, and they will customise. Ours sleeps 4 off-the ground with no canvas to erect unless we want more covered space for longer stops. Love it.

[AS355]

I had a look at the Tvan years ago and ended up going for an Aussie Swag camper trailer as I preferred the kitchen set up and felt it sealed up better in regard to water and dust ingress. Took a couple of minuets to set up and I mean a COUPLE of minutes. A great camper.

[MGDisco]

Have a look at Drifta, they've got a few different affordable set ups - including a hard top.

[DiscoMick]

We're currently having a little fantasy about this SUV Guardian camper, which offers a lot for the money.

SUV FORWARD FOLD GRAND - Guardian Campers & RV Centre (http://www.gcrv.com.au/camper_trailers/suv-forward-fold-grand/)

[loanrangie]

Have you looked at the VistaRV Crossover? It is a Tvan for grownups...

No canvas, very fast setup and will go wherever you choose to tow it.

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

Nice looking vans but the price is right up there with the Tvans.

[RobA]

Take a look at a second hand Ultimate camper. We've taken them everywhere; Cape Yorke, Simpson, Kimberley, High Country and pick a track almost anywhere. If you want to cook outside with one their is no inbuilt external kitchen but we never had a problem with that just used a butane stove or twin burner hooked up to a gas bottle and a portable table out of the camping kit with a two burner gas cooktop inside. Light, strong and very off road capable with the lowest ball weight around. Whilst some will say the take a while to setup I doubt they have ever owned one. With a bit of practice, needed for every camper, you are inside beer in hand in less than 5". Plenty of flexible storage in the nose cone as well and no pegs to tie anything down.

Great for shorter duration trips up to say a month or so at at time but no camper offers the benefits of a well sorted off road campervan like our AOR Q+ which we changed to this year as we spend many months on the road each year in all sorts of weather

Lots of things to think about with your choice including: inside/outside cooking, diesel heater for when it gets cold, what you want from an external awning, setup and pull down time, down ball weight etc

There are many on the market but all are not equal. Makes for a challenging search but don't discount a well maintained second hand one

Rob

[Nmritchie]

Hi Mark.
the TVan is certainly a very capable and well built trailer. We have travelled with family who have a TVan on many trips, firstly when we had a tent and used them as the chuck wagon and then when we bought our own camper trailer, an Ultimate. The TVan was shortlisted, but the Ultimate won my wife with the internal kitchen for touring in winter or insects are bad. We cook and live outside when we can.

If you can’t find a good second hand TVan in your price range, a compact trailer that would suit solo touring and would go anywhere the TVan would go, is the DOT range from DRIFTA in Gloucester. They don’t do camping shows. I have bought a lot of camping gear from Drifta, and it is all top shelf quality, and I expect their off road camper trailers are the same.

I was checking the Drifta website recently and was impressed with their camper trailer specs and pricing. An interesting take with the simplicity, ease and effectiveness of using a “rooftop” tent pod as the sleeping quarters, for example.

worth a look I think.

regards
Neil

[Bytemrk]

Certainly some great suggestions here... you lot are certainly helping increase my homework load ..[biggrin][biggrin]

I really appreciate it , cause I've got a bit of time before I make a purchase and while the heart still says Tvan......taking the time to look more seriously at some of these suggestions, I am sure, will help me end up with the right answer for me....

Appreciate all the ideas [thumbsupbig]

[Corgie Carrier]

except for maybe the last pic............................flame suit on.. and ducking[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]


https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lakes-entrance/camper-trailers/2008-tvan-off-road-camper-trailer/1166304465

There are heaps on gumtree just search tvan

Or you could get one with Air cond and hot water
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/port-adelaide/camper-trailers/tvan-marrinji/1165642229

[EDG60]

, I've seen a few second hand TVans that have been very tempting, it's partly a question of how old am I happy to go. Doesn't matter. You're very unlikely to drop much when you on-sell. If you're into a bit of fix-up you could get one that is a bit on the tatty side, and for relatively small outlay clean it up a bit without any risk of overcapitalising.

Another thing to look at could be a teardrop camper ... just open the door and leap into bed.

[trout1105]

I am up for a new van next year and would love to get something small, compact and will go anywhere But the Missus insists on having a dunny and shower so my choices are pretty limited [bigsad]

[Bytemrk]

Another thing to look at could be a teardrop camper ... just open the door and leap into bed.

That is possible with the TVan too [thumbsupbig]



I am up for a new van next year and would love to get something small, compact and will go anywhere But the Missus insists on having a dunny and shower so my choices are pretty limited [bigsad]


There are benefits to being able to make a choice purely on my selfish needs wants. [biggrin]

[Mick_Marsh]

I am up for a new van next year and would love to get something small, compact and will go anywhere But the Missus insists on having a dunny and shower so my choices are pretty limited [bigsad]
Topaz

[trout1105]

Topaz

These and the Kimberly Kampers are great looking options But they are Way above my pay grade unfortunately[bawl]

[rar110]

I’m probably aiming for the last of the Mk2s, so about 2011 model.

[Mick_Marsh]

These and the Kimberly Kampers are great looking options But they are Way above my pay grade unfortunately[bawl]

Of course, if I had a D4, I'd be getting a Bruder:
EXP-6 OFF-ROAD CAMPER Bruder Expedition - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2VvmqADlrY)

It looks like it comes with some marvelous accessories.
INTERIOR BRUDER EXP 6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_120445549&feature=iv&src_vid=f2VvmqADlrY&v=Ah0VtsrH078)

EXTERIOR BRUDER EXP-6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3914919347&feature=iv&src_vid=Ah0VtsrH078&v=Rco2sMQDRfc)

[Russrobe]

Of course, if I had a D4, I'd be getting a Bruder:
EXP-6 OFF-ROAD CAMPER Bruder Expedition - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2VvmqADlrY)

It looks like it comes with some marvelous accessories.
INTERIOR BRUDER EXP 6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_120445549&feature=iv&src_vid=f2VvmqADlrY&v=Ah0VtsrH078)

EXTERIOR BRUDER EXP-6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3914919347&feature=iv&src_vid=Ah0VtsrH078&v=Rco2sMQDRfc)If a had a spare 100k Mick, I'd go pick one up tomorrow. Well no after their 9 month wait list, but I'd order it tomorrow.

[Bytemrk]

Of course, if I had a D4, I'd be getting a Bruder:
EXP-6 OFF-ROAD CAMPER Bruder Expedition - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2VvmqADlrY)

It looks like it comes with some marvelous accessories.
INTERIOR BRUDER EXP 6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_120445549&feature=iv&src_vid=f2VvmqADlrY&v=Ah0VtsrH078)

EXTERIOR BRUDER EXP-6 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3914919347&feature=iv&src_vid=Ah0VtsrH078&v=Rco2sMQDRfc)

Looks like an amazing bit of kit Mick..... might be a little over the top for a one man camper.. [biggrin]

[rar110]

Yep 5x exceeding my budget. While disappointing, the interior accessories are definitely beyond my budget.

[DiscoMick]

Lifestyle and SUV Guardian do compact vans with shower and toilet - worth checking out. We have.

[loanrangie]

Mark, found something way under budget with plenty of room for diy mods -

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/drysdale/camper-trailers/teardrop-camper-4x4/1166451177

[Bytemrk]

Thanks Nick......

Lets see if it gets snapped up before I'm ready to buy...[wink11]

[EDG60]

Another thing to look at could be a teardrop camper ... just open the door and leap into bed.

That is possible with the TVan too ... although ya gotta drop the floor first ...
T/D campers cheaper; and since you're whinging about the price of the Tvan:BigCry: it may be an alternative.:BigThumb:

[EDG60]

Mark, found something way under budget with plenty of room for diy mods -

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/drysdale/camper-trailers/teardrop-camper-4x4/1166451177

electric drakes gotta be a bonus [bigrolf]

[EDG60]

Since you're running solo ... occurs to me (unless you planning on picking up chics at every campsite to spend the night with you ..) you don't need the full size bed. Give it the flick in favour of a single mattress will get you some extra storage / working area.

[Bytemrk]

Since you're running solo ... occurs to me (unless you planning on picking up chics at every campsite to spend the night with you ..) you don't need the full size bed. Give it the flick in favour of a single mattress will get you some extra storage / working area.

Actually I don't "need" any of it...been travelling the last few years alternating between swagging it or the Oztent... I do still have a well used and beaten around Tambo Cooper (http://images.australialisted.com/nlarge/tambo_cooper_xt_quality_as_new_australian_offroad_ camper_19979399.jpg) which was great when i was dragging the whole family around, but is overkill for just me.

I'm now in a situation I can afford a Tvan of some sort, it may be Mk2 or Mk3 or Mk4 (BTW I don't recall "whinging" about the price)...... so the point in this thread is to do some research and tap into others experiences before making that purchase next year.

Last thing I would do with a Tvan is fill half the bed space with stored "stuff".....I can carry more than enough in the D4, it's convenience and flexibility I am looking for not storage capacity, otherwise I might buy this: https://www.aulro.com/afvb/caravans-campers-and-trailers-for-sale/256186-haulmark-pt1-1-2-army-trailer-sydney.html#post2744824 [wink11]

[EDG60]

(BTW I don't recall "whinging" about the price)...... nah you're right .:oops2: .. it was someone else had a hernia over a 77k tag ...:redface:





Last thing I would do with a Tvan is fill half the bed space with stored "stuff"....

it's convenience and flexibility I am looking for I can just see a little fridge up in there:beer:, maybe the coffee maker ... how much more convenient would ya want ... [biggrin]


[bigwhistle]Just had to catch a touch of drool at the thought of setting up a Tee for solo operations :thumbsup:

[Bytemrk]

I can just see a little fridge up in there:beer:, maybe the coffee maker ...

A coffee maker!... now you've got my attention[thumbsupbig]

[Pedro_The_Swift]

A coffee maker!... now you've got my attention[thumbsupbig]

isnt that why the D4 is so overweight?[bighmmm]

[EDG60]

A coffee maker!... now you've got my attention[thumbsupbig] Makita have a pretty good 18V jobby. Heard it works well and is on my krissy list ... ... :cool:

[Bytemrk]

isnt that why the D4 is so overweight?[bighmmm]

Pedro, you and I both know I am the primary reason the D4 is over weight......[bighmmm]

That and the ARB bar, LRA tank, Kaymar RWC, rock sliders, roof rack, fridge.... etc etc...... [biggrin]


Nothing to do with camera gear though [bigwhistle]

[Tins]

electric drakes gotta be a bonus [bigrolf]

Similar to gas ducks, do you think?

[Bytemrk]

John, it's not going to be fancy enough to need "ducks" in the floor.

but I might need to carry some of this.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/865.jpg

[bigrolf]

[Tins]

John, it's not going to be fancy enough to need "ducks" in the floor.

but I might need to carry some of this.....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/865.jpg

[bigrolf]

Come on, Mark. If tou had electric drakes and gas ducks, you would have the Wombat Sofitel...

[IvanR]

Bytemark, re your enquiry about Tvans. We have a Mk2 Tvan, bought new in 2005 which gets a lot of use. It is very well made and not had to repair or replace anything apart from tyres, shockers and wheel bearings as normal maintenance. Have only just go back from Vic high country where we got some rain so packed up wet but every thing inside stays dry. Drying it out is just a matter of lifting the rear hatch and dropping the rear canvas.
You dont have to worry about keeping things away from wet canvas with the hard shell where you sleep when its pouring during the night. If you are looking for one, make sure it has lineing in the fibreglass roof as this stops condensation.
At the time we bought ours this was an option. I notice that the latest models of camper trailers and off road caravans are going over board on the electrics. It seems to be turning into some sort of arms race (we have more batterys than them).
They ride so well over rough roads that anything placed on the bed dosent need to be tied down.
Hope this helps.

Ivan

[cjc_td5]

Mark, found something way under budget with plenty of room for diy mods -

Teardrop camper 4x4 | Camper Trailers | Gumtree Australia Outer Geelong - Drysdale | 1166451177 (https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/drysdale/camper-trailers/teardrop-camper-4x4/1166451177)

There are few things with this camper that I would change if going down the custom route.
- You loose a huge amount of volume if you restrict the upper body to between the wheel arches. Yes you can store fuel or similar along the sides but you loose a huge volume inside. The tow vehicle has already pushed through the scrub, the trailer may as well use this width also.
- If you are going to do anything like the Anne Beadell, Connie Sue or Gunbarrell Hwys, those awnings would last less than one day with the overhanging Mulga scrub. Aim for as flush as possible side profile so branches ride up and over the trailer.
- The axle looks a long way back which gives high A-frame and ball loads and also make the trailer track further from the tow vehicle tracks on corners. It would be easy to reverse though....

Don't take this as a criticism against the owner who has had a go at building something to suit themselves. God knows, I must be up to about iteration 20+ in designing my perfect camper trailer configuration/layout. At least his got past the CAD stage...

Cheers,
Chris

[loanrangie]

There are few things with this camper that I would change if going down the custom route.
- You loose a huge amount of volume if you restrict the upper body to between the wheel arches. Yes you can store fuel or similar along the sides but you loose a huge volume inside. The tow vehicle has already pushed through the scrub, the trailer may as well use this width also.
- If you are going to do anything like the Anne Beadell, Connie Sue or Gunbarrell Hwys, those awnings would last less than one day with the overhanging Mulga scrub. Aim for as flush as possible side profile so branches ride up and over the trailer.
- The axle looks a long way back which gives high A-frame and ball loads and also make the trailer track further from the tow vehicle tracks on corners. It would be easy to reverse though....

Don't take this as a criticism against the owner who has had a go at building something to suit themselves. God knows, I must be up to about iteration 20+ in designing my perfect camper trailer configuration/layout. At least his got past the CAD stage...

Cheers,
Chris

Agreed its not a perfect design, i thought it was just food for thought for Mark to ponder over. One major flaw is the positioning of the axle, adding weight would go straight onto the ball weight.
Axle moved forward and a rear opening like a T van would make a big difference as well as widening the body.

[woodsy]

Hi Mark,
my first post on the forum .
The wife and I bought a new A van adventure plus cruise liner in March this year .
We like it for the following :-
quick to set up ( less than 1 minute from pulling up if parked close to level)
no canvas so quick to pack up in dry or wet weather.

no water leaks ( even in driving rain).
great vision when sitting at dining table .
high ground clearance on the adventure plus model
has all the creature comforts bug not over the top ie 3 way fridge, gas electric 20 litre hot water with external shower.
nice issuable internal kitchen
house battery/ solar panel fitted from factory ( lasts approx 3-4 days off grid)
external gas bayonet for hooking up the Weber mini Q.
2 x 64 litre water tanks
good internal storage

folds down to about roof height of most 4wdwagons so less wind drag
weighs about 1300-1500 kg fully laden ( depending on how much water and gear you take)
has huge front storage locker for tables/ chairs, hoses electrical leads, floor mats etc
ball weight about 130-159 kg
has new Ark 50 mm ball off road coupling .
Fully galvanised chassis
independent coil spring suspension.
Can get Factory Annex or we use a 2.4 x 2.4 freestanding Gazebo with with screens or solid sides .
price was about $37k for 2016 compliance runout model which we were happy with.
Might get one second hand now as this model has been out for about 3 years now .
Great for two or one person ( kids would need to sleep in their own swag or tent .
have done 6 short weekends away plus a 5 week trip from Central west Nsw to Cairns and have been very happy with it so far .
Hope to tow it on a few trips with my Series 3 stage 1 V8 wagon when it gets on the road . Currently towing it with 2013 Pajero ( 13-14 litres / 100 when towing)

haven't worked out how to attach photos yet so have a look at the a-van web site if you need more info .
Just another option compared to a t van and my 2 bobs worth .
Regards Woodsy

landy stage 1 V8 wagon ( work in progress)
series 2a Swb ( non runner , future project).

[Bytemrk]

Thanks for the detailed response Woodsy...sorry i've been a bit slack replying!

Sounds like your A van is a nice setup. I've looked at A Van's in the past, but must admit have not looked recently.

Based on the units I saw a few years back, I'd hesitate whether they would be upto the more severe off road conditions I'd consider taking a trailer.

I will certainly take another look though.... the whole point in this thread is for me to learn from others experience.... Sounds like your suits you perfectly [smilebigeye]


I want what ever I buy to be capable of tracks like this as well as regular high country and desert trips.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/320.jpg

Cheers

[Tins]

Looked at these, Mark? You like going in style...

Camper Trailers – For Sale Australia-Wide | OPUS (http://www.opuscamper.com.au)

[Bytemrk]

There are more and more options the more you look!... Air to put up the tent is different...

Still leaning to the Tvan - a bit of luxury is nice.... but i like the idea of having a range of options in set up... from really fast over night - to full base camp.

I can see myself using the simple rear canvas screen option quite frequently:

https://outbackhq.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_50801.jpg

Compared to my swag - that's enough style for me [biggrin]

[CB55]

We had a 2010 model Tvan for 7 years, a fantastic, 100% dust free camper that went wherever we wanted.
Only recently upgraded to an AOR Quantum, which is a completely different kettle of fish.
You can’t go past the Tvan for 1 or 2 people to camp in comfort.

[Tins]

Pop over to their website, Mark. It could be your car in the pic!

Quantum (http://www.australianoffroad.com.au/models/quantum)

[Bytemrk]

Close!...... So obviously they have good taste in transport [biggrin][biggrin]

[Homestar]

Looked at these, Mark? You like going in style...

Camper Trailers – For Sale Australia-Wide | OPUS (http://www.opuscamper.com.au)

What could possibly go wrong with an inflated tent while out in the Bush... 😉

Would like to see how it stands up in the wind too.

[loanrangie]

Mark, there are 3 sub 30k T-vans on gumtree at the mo, one is 22k asking price.

[rar110]

Some Tvans don’t have a slide out kitchen. So this will affect price.

[Tins]

What could possibly go wrong with an inflated tent while out in the Bush... 😉



Nothing??[bigwhistle][bigwhistle]

[Bytemrk]

Mark, there are 3 sub 30k T-vans on gumtree at the mo, one is 22k asking price.

Thanks Nick,

I'm moving house end of Feb early March - Hence my planned time-frame for the TVan - I figured I'd wait until I have somewhere to store it and I have one less thing to move. [bighmmm]

On the other hand.... I spent an hour today up at Track Trailer's showroom in Bayswater with Dave (DI5CO (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/16179.html)), talking Tvans and Land Rovers - he was super helpful, discussing pro's and cons of different models and what to look for etc.

Thanks for your time today Dave, it was awesome...... I am sure to bug you more before and after I purchase [biggrin].

[grey_ghost]

Pat Callinan - towing a “track” T-Van in today’s episode! [emoji1303][emoji3]

[Trout]

Just picked up my new (to me) Tvan. I now own two Track products! I was going to keep using my RAAF trailer for camping but decided we really needed a bit more comfort. Mostly we hope it will make setting up and packing up a bit easier. With three small boys it was becoming a major operation. Will need to change hubs and wheels to match the landy and work in getting the ball weight down on the Tvan. Moving batteries to rear floor, etc. Probably ditching the spare on the van and carrying two on the landy.

[rar110]

Congrats

I’m in the same situation.

[Eevo]

i would love a tvan. but i cant justify the price.

25k and your using it how many times per year?

[Trout]

i would love a tvan. but i cant justify the price.

25k and your using it how many times per year?

Yeah it's a lot of dollars. I could certainly never justify buying a new one that's for sure at 60k but plenty of people do along with a 100k plus vehicle to tow it. We camp a fair bit on weekends and go away for a at least few weeks every year. I expect to own it for at least 10 years and be still towing it with my 300tdi.

[scarry]

i would love a tvan. but i cant justify the price.

25k and your using it how many times per year?

25K is bugga all for many people these days.

There are heaps of vans around in the $75 to $120K bracket,being pulled by $120K plus vehicles,with around $20K of mods done to the vehicle as well.

Your right though, its ridiculous,way out of my price bracket as well.

[Bytemrk]

Just picked up my new (to me) Tvan. I now own two Track products! I was going to keep using my RAAF trailer for camping but decided we really needed a bit more comfort. Mostly we hope it will make setting up and packing up a bit easier. With three small boys it was becoming a major operation. Will need to change hubs and wheels to match the Landy and work in getting the ball weight down on the Tvan. Moving batteries to rear floor, etc. Probably ditching the spare on the van and carrying two on the landy.

Congratulations Trout [smilebigeye]


My purchase has been delayed by a few things - but is definitely still going to happen, most likely late this year.

Eevo, you are right it is a lot of money.

Plenty can't justify the cost - but they sell plenty of them and they are popular enough to really hold their value.. so there must be more than a few out there that can justify the money.

I cant justify a new one for my needs.... but a good reasonably recent second hand one fits what I want and can afford. History says it's unlikely to depreciate massively, so why not. [thumbsupbig]

[rar110]

i would love a tvan. but i cant justify the price.

25k and your using it how many times per year?

The real cost is depreciation and opportunity cost. They hold their value pretty well. Opportunity cost depends on an individual situation.

[tonyf]

I have a Tvan and all the positive things you say about them are true. It will go anywhere, 5 mins to set up and to pack, very easy to tow.

I also thing you can do well to buy a second hand one. The newest ones have become really expensive, $70,000 plus and I can't justify trading up from my 2010 model. Also, I don't like the way they have gone with frig and big storage area in front of the van itself, which increases drawbar weight.

I came from a tent culture and I find that there is plenty of room in my Defender 90 and the Tvan (under the bed) to carry all that I need, frig in the back of the Defender. If I need more space, I load the roof rack.

Good luck with it.



I'm pondering the idea of buying a Track TVan next year.

Most of the time I travel alone and either swag or tent it.... but I'm thinking in the next couple of years of doing a few extended trips, where the swag would rapidly get tiring.... maybe I'm just getting old and lusting after a little comfort[tonguewink].

My current budget doesn't get me a new one - and of course what I can afford and what I like, never seem to meet. [bighmmm]

They do however seem to hold there value very well - so starting to think pushing the limits of my budget may not necessarily end up in a big capital loss when I sell it.


I don't want to go to a caravan - I'm after something that will follow the car anywhere I want to take it. I also don't want to spend an hour or more setting up canvas and pulling it down when ever i stop for the night. From what I can see, TVan seems to offer the flexibility in set up that would suit me.

Those that I know who have used them seem very happy with them..... I'll probably hire one for a trip before I commit, but has anyone got any experience or feedback that might be helpful to me?

[rar110]

I’m hoping to pick up a Mk2 at some stage.

[Trout]

The one I got was a 2007 mkII. Its the Murranji so it seems to have all the options fitted except for the front box which I did not want. Looks like it has had very little use and probably lived in a shed all its life. Paid just under 30k for it. Seems you can get them for a bit less than that down south. As it was in such good nick, had the long draw bar and correct axel length for the defender I was happy to pay a bit more for it.

[rar110]

Any pics? Was it the one for sale at Loganholme?

[Trout]

It was the one at Loganhome. Sorry no pics as yet. I'll try to get some next weekend. I spent today crawling all over it. I was impressed with my RAAF trailer and I even more impressed with the Tvan. It's a great piece of gear.

[rar110]

What’s the difference to the Canning?

Here’s my tactical trailer.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/06/52.jpg

[Trout]

Nice.... looks just like mine! I don't think I have ever taken my RAAF trailer anywhere without somebody asking me about it or saying how good it looks.

Don't really know the differences between the Tvan models of that period. I think it is mostly nice to have stuff. Mine is fully lined, lots of lights, front and rear water tanks, heaps of merit plugs, everywere, all the canvas awnings, walls, draught skirt, ensuite, rear hatch screen, sail awning, solar panels, two roof hatches, storage nets on roof and walls, charger, fancy stereo, bed tie down rails [bigwhistle] and probably some more things I have forgotten. I think these are basically all options you can have on the other models just that you don't have to bother ticking the boxes if you buy the Muranjji.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'm pondering the idea of buying a Track TVan next year.




Well,, 6 months down the track, so to speak.. are we any closer to spending the cash Mark?

[Bytemrk]

Well,, 6 months down the track, so to speak.. are we any closer to spending the cash Mark?

Post #100 Pedro [wink11]


Congratulations Trout [smilebigeye]


My purchase has been delayed by a few things - but is definitely still going to happen, most likely late this year.

Eevo, you are right it is a lot of money.

Plenty can't justify the cost - but they sell plenty of them and they are popular enough to really hold their value.. so there must be more than a few out there that can justify the money.

I cant justify a new one for my needs.... but a good reasonably recent second hand one fits what I want and can afford. History says it's unlikely to depreciate massively, so why not. [thumbsupbig]

[loanrangie]

A contender possibly ?

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/melton-west/camper-trailers/camper-tailer/1186054130

[DiscoKym]

Another contender..

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/kiama/camper-trailers/exodus-barrington-heavy-duty-off-road-camper-trailer/1136261443

[Corgie Carrier]

Any progress on this, Mark?

I am thinking of getting one now and wondered how you went

[grey_ghost]

Hi Corgie,

I believe that Mark purchased a Tvan and is quite happy, however I don't think that he is on here much these days sadly.

[Numb Thumbs]

You could go for a "Tvan for Grownups", the VistaRV Crossover:

https://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/drj153/Oodnadatta%20Track_zpsnab8quwa.jpg (https://s253.photobucket.com/user/drj153/media/Oodnadatta%20Track_zpsnab8quwa.jpg.html)

https://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/drj153/__Elliot%20Falls%20to%20Loyalty%20Beach%20214_zpsk 0mme00m.jpg (https://s253.photobucket.com/user/drj153/media/__Elliot%20Falls%20to%20Loyalty%20Beach%20214_zpsk 0mme00m.jpg.html)

https://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/drj153/dElliot%20Falls%20to%20Loyalty%20Beach%20161_zpssk xpty4f.jpg (https://s253.photobucket.com/user/drj153/media/dElliot%20Falls%20to%20Loyalty%20Beach%20161_zpssk xpty4f.jpg.html)

https://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/drj153/cKalpowar%20to%20Delhunty%20River%20413_zps2itbgrs c.jpg (https://s253.photobucket.com/user/drj153/media/cKalpowar%20to%20Delhunty%20River%20413_zps2itbgrs c.jpg.html)

No canvas and very fast setup. Table and four seats inside if you fold over the mattress - a ten second process.

Owners group:

VistaRV Crossover Owners Group - Australia4WD Forum (https://forum.australia4wd.com/index.php?/forum/166-vistarv-crossover-owners-group/)

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Tombie]

Any progress on this, Mark?

I am thinking of getting one now and wondered how you went

Mark certainly did acquire a Tvan.
I chat with him often, and he likes to taunt me and few mates with photos of him relaxing near said unit.

Nowadays Mark is often to be found exercising his quite excellent skills in photography out and about in the wonders of our natural environment.

[loanrangie]

Hi Corgie,

I believe that Mark purchased a Tvan and is quite happy, however I don't think that he is on here much these days sadly.

He certainly has, seen the envious facebook posts of him living the dream.

[Corgie Carrier]

You could go for a "Tvan for Grownups", the VistaRV Crossover:

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

You are assuming that I have grown up.[biggrin][biggrin]

Getting old is mandatory, growing up is optional.

[Numb Thumbs]

You don't have to grow up to get one - just prefer comfort and ease of setup/pack up. I don't think anyone has ever accused me of growing up.

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)