3.2 Up and running!!!

[grinna1965]

3.2L Ford Ranger Engine in a Land Rover Defender!!!!!! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJaiQ4WWx3c&feature=youtu.be)

[timax]

With the 6 speed Auto?
Please do a road test vid when you get a chance.

[MLD]

Glenn, where were you 18 months ago? Oh well. I'll come visit in the new year to kick a tyre.

[HardCharger]

Nice! Sounds really nice! Details! And how much?

Looks like you still have the clutch so I'm presuming that you're still using the standard Puma transmission and T-case?

[Tombie]

Very nice

[SSmith]

Looks factory, some very nice workmanship there.

[alan48]

Hi,
I popped into Momentum 4x4 a couple of weeks ago and looked over this new conversion and was given a run down on the bits required, where they are sourced from incl USA, transit bits etc and must say it does look like a top job indeed--in fact I think they will be swamped with orders once kits eventually available. Some others have tried this conversion or shied away due to issues/perceived issues but Momentum seem to have overcome all of these by a lot of research and attention to detail.
I have a puma 130 myself and tow so this may be the answer. Bring on a full road test.
Alan

[HardCharger]

So... What happened to this? It just remained quiet. Eager minds want to know more!

[grinna1965]

So... What happened to this? It just remained quiet. Eager minds want to know more!
Funny i thought we would have had more input just goes to show people are only interested in things that cant be done.Any way I’ve done about 500kms engine runs cooler than 2.2 has way more torque at least a gear up every where still playing with the tune to try and smooth it out a bit Moore but we have been so busy with customers work that it takes a back seat some times.If any one knows about dynos is that you cant replicate real life driving,we spent 4 hours on our Dyno the other day and got it better but we just need Moore road time which we dont have.I will do Moore up dates as time permits but at this stage all things point to being well worth it,i will not be offering it for a conversion until i am 110%happy with it.Any one who is interested enough is Moore than welcome to call in check it out and go for a drive

[rangieman]

Funny i thought we would have had more input just goes to show people are only interested in things that cant be done.Any way I’ve done about 500kms engine runs cooler than 2.2 has way more torque at least a gear up every where still playing with the tune to try and smooth it out a bit Moore but we have been so busy with customers work that it takes a back seat some times.If any one knows about dynos is that you cant replicate real life driving,we spent 4 hours on our Dyno the other day and got it better but we just need Moore road time which we dont have.I will do Moore up dates as time permits but at this stage all things point to being well worth it,i will not be offering it for a conversion until i am 110%happy with it.Any one who is interested enough is Moore than welcome to call in check it out and go for a drive
Oh i think there is plenty of interest .
Problem is we all like pic`s and vid`s .
Im guessing it is all too hard for some to show their excitement with out seeing more proof [wink11]
I i get it work gets in the way which is proof of your good work if your busy[wink11]
Anyway i like your work and it does look like a very professional transplant [thumbsupbig]
I dont own a puma so im out .
Keep up the good work [thumbsupbig]

[Tins]

Funny i thought we would have had more input just goes to show people are only interested in things that cant be done.

Have you actually read the replies to your original post? There is huge interest in this project. Keep updating. Or, if you are too busy, get someone a little more net savvy to do so. I mean absolutely no disrespect mate, I just feel that you have your head in other things. This project is amazing, and we want to hear about it. Crack on!

[Slunnie]

I think there is a huge amount of interest also.

After looking at the video today I spent some time trying to work out how much taller the 3.2 is over the Td5 and googled around for Disco2 bonnets with power humps.

Do you think it would be workable with a Disco2 in Auto spec?

[n plus one]

Less talk, more making it available to buy.

[grinna1965]

Economy is between 10.5 and 11 litres per 100 which is great considering the power i have on tap.at the moment its pushing 70hp more at the wheels than a tuned 2.2 and nearly 100nm more it pulls in 5th from 40kms to 120 and beyond easily 6th actually accelerates up hill from 80kmh its much smoother through gear changes and it doesn’t matter what gear you go through a round about in.Shall have Moore updates after Xmas and should have costings by the end of January.So on that note may every one have a great cristmas and a happy new year Cheers Grinna

[Colmoore]

No wonder they call you grinna - great work; wish I had a lazy 25k!
I'll come and see you about a few more neddies from the td5 sometime next year (and check out the puma upgrade)
Merry Christmas to you too.
Col

[Baytown]

Im certainly interested and serious about upgrading my engine on my heavily modified 2012 110.
Im just waiting for info on when you may begin conversions for paying customers, and your release of the final product.
I tow a 21 foot off road van, so a better engine is seriously wanted.

Ken


Funny i thought we would have had more input just goes to show people are only interested in things that cant be done.Any way I’ve done about 500kms engine runs cooler than 2.2 has way more torque at least a gear up every where still playing with the tune to try and smooth it out a bit Moore but we have been so busy with customers work that it takes a back seat some times.If any one knows about dynos is that you cant replicate real life driving,we spent 4 hours on our Dyno the other day and got it better but we just need Moore road time which we dont have.I will do Moore up dates as time permits but at this stage all things point to being well worth it,i will not be offering it for a conversion until i am 110%happy with it.Any one who is interested enough is Moore than welcome to call in check it out and go for a drive

[tact]

If ever my 2.2 falls over, or falls out of the engine bay, I'd be looking for something like the 3.2 to replace it. Nice if it is by then commercialised, available to order to drop in. [biggrin]

[Tombie]

Same. Considering this as an option for the 90

[Baytown]

I’m serious re this upgrade.
Im currently selling my home in FNQ, have put a deposit on a new Zone RV 20.6 Off Road van and looking at buying a block in Tassie, and traveling.
Time to start living life and enjoying my early retirement.
I’m concerned that the 2.2 will struggle with the van and as my Defender is a keeper, this engine swap is the logical next step. Only other option is a Discovery or RR, but I love my Defender and it’s done up just how I wanted.
Only 137,000 on my current engine and the BAS170 tune etc, but a 3.2 sounds more useful to me than a petrol V8.
‘I’ll be contacting Grinna for details and will likely get the vehicle looked into once the house sells and I take delivery of the van, hopefully by June(ish).
Ive also contacted MR Automotive re details of any engine swaps they do. Just waiting for an email reply.
I wonder if Auto is worth looking into with the 3.2 mod? Obviously, cost has to be managed as much as possible.
Lets keep the momentum behind this thread going.
More to follow from me re engine options as available.
Best wishes fellas.

Ken

[MLD]

I’m serious re this upgrade.

I wonder if Auto is worth looking into with the 3.2 mod? Obviously, cost has to be managed as much as possible.

Ken

Glenn will likely be more optimistic. According to him someone has put an auto in a Puma defender (started off as a 3.2 with auto conversion but the 3.2 was pulled and the auto bolted to the original engine). I've not seen or heard of it on the forums so i'm interested to see how they did it. Ashcroft experimented with a 3.2 and 6R80 auto but my understanding from communicating with them they had problems and it didn't get finalised. Having searched high and low on all land rover forums i didn't find any 6R80 auto conversions in a Puma (whether behind a 3.2 or the 2.4/2.2). AFAIK all 3.2 conversions are a manual box (save for what i was told by Glenn above). From my experience the auto from the Ranger 3.2 (6R80) fouls the front prop shaft necessitating rotating the TFC to clear or going to a divorced TFC set up (fine for a 130, maybe even a 110, not for a 90). For a non-divorced set up you will need to make a spud shaft to join the auto to the TFC which i've been told will have the same problem of a non-lubricated spline like the current Puma set up for the MT82 to TFC. If your defender is lifted the rotation of the TFC amplifies the front prop shaft angles. I run a multiple double carden front shaft (1 at each end) and i'm sure it would not cope with the angles.

I had a look at the ZF6hp26 auto (the 6R80 is made by Ford under license and is a copy of the ZF) and potentially it will fit and avoid the foul i mentioned above. The valve body on the 6R80 protrudes on the drivers side whereas the ZF's valve body is more streamline on that side. You won't know until you do a trial fit. The 6R80 is good for 800 nm, the ZF is good for 600 nm. Both within the factory tune of the 3.2 but a tuned 3.2 has the potential to meet or exceed the ZF box. If you tow a 21 footer that would concern me.

I'd be most pleased to be proven wrong and someone engineer the 6 speed auto behind a 3.2 that is reliable. Strike me down but a rear end coil conversion to a 76/79 series LC is cheaper and easier than all of the above with the bonus of a V8 diesel and remote touring support.

[Tombie]

A couple of close friends have been out touring in their DC Cruisers the last 6 weeks.

Remote touring support is now a myth.
About the only thing offered was belts, bearings and tyres.
Everything else - shipped as required.

[uninformed]

Glenn will likely be more optimistic. According to him someone has put an auto in a Puma defender (started off as a 3.2 with auto conversion but the 3.2 was pulled and the auto bolted to the original engine). I've not seen or heard of it on the forums so i'm interested to see how they did it. Ashcroft experimented with a 3.2 and 6R80 auto but my understanding from communicating with them they had problems and it didn't get finalised. Having searched high and low on all land rover forums i didn't find any 6R80 auto conversions in a Puma (whether behind a 3.2 or the 2.4/2.2). AFAIK all 3.2 conversions are a manual box (save for what i was told by Glenn above). From my experience the auto from the Ranger 3.2 (6R80) fouls the front prop shaft necessitating rotating the TFC to clear or going to a divorced TFC set up (fine for a 130, maybe even a 110, not for a 90). For a non-divorced set up you will need to make a spud shaft to join the auto to the TFC which i've been told will have the same problem of a non-lubricated spline like the current Puma set up for the MT82 to TFC. If your defender is lifted the rotation of the TFC amplifies the front prop shaft angles. I run a multiple double carden front shaft (1 at each end) and i'm sure it would not cope with the angles.

I had a look at the ZF6hp26 auto (the 6R80 is made by Ford under license and is a copy of the ZF) and potentially it will fit and avoid the foul i mentioned above. The valve body on the 6R80 protrudes on the drivers side whereas the ZF's valve body is more streamline on that side. You won't know until you do a trial fit. The 6R80 is good for 800 nm, the ZF is good for 600 nm. Both within the factory tune of the 3.2 but a tuned 3.2 has the potential to meet or exceed the ZF box. If you tow a 21 footer that would concern me.

I'd be most pleased to be proven wrong and someone engineer the 6 speed auto behind a 3.2 that is reliable. Strike me down but a rear end coil conversion to a 76/79 series LC is cheaper and easier than all of the above with the bonus of a V8 diesel and remote touring support.

The bolt in kits that I saw (online) for the rear of the LC that had all new links and rear end hub to hub, looked like it used some of the leaf mounting points??? And the geometry looked HORRIBLE! The kit looked very well made and the diff etc hub to hub was hi end stuff......

[uninformed]

There was some talk in the 2.2 engine failure thread that the 2.2 enough power etc. Well having gone from a 300tdi - 2.8 HS TGV - BT50 with 3.2, all towing the same 1.9t work trailer. I can say the 3.2 IS the engine that LR should have offered in the 110 and been stock in the 130.

The BT50 just needs the LT230....

Im not qualified to comment on the quailty of the 3.2 engine or that vs other brands. Unless you are a mechanical engineer and have inside knowledge of the design, material or QC there is no point playing the "this better than that game", especially based on number of cylinders, brand, out put etc

[Pickles2]

If you are looking at an engine swap, talk to Les Richmond Automotive in Melbourne, they're on facebook, have a website etc & have been doing all sorts of LandRover engine swaps for years,....they are pretty switched on.
Pickles.

[DiscoMick]

I think I read somewhere that Ford refused to make the 3.2 available to LR, but I could be wrong.

[uninformed]

I think I read somewhere that Ford refused to make the 3.2 available to LR, but I could be wrong.

Defintely a possibility.

What is most probable, going with LR's history and europes huge taxes on engines over 2.5 ltr. AND they only make 20,000 units WORLD WIDE per year (bloody peanuts on the global auto scale). Id say the bean counters and the marketers figured not worth the effort.

Given LR cost cutting attitude, I do wonder if they even considered it seriously and what they thought they may have need to change. Would they be concerned with Diffs, R&P, axle shafts, CVs. What about their crappy cast 2 pin centre diff, what about braking? what about suspension bush wear?
Was cooling a concern.

Funny, one could say they could be arrogant enough to think these things fine given their history and attitude to outsiders comunicating genuine, reoccurring problems.

[skc]

After putting an complete exhaust, intercooler, VVT, ECU, etc upgrades to my 2.2 D90, it travels well, but still doesn't feel effortless. Would bounce a 3.2 in there in a heartbeat!

[grinna1965]

After putting an complete exhaust, intercooler, VVT, ECU, etc upgrades to my 2.2 D90, it travels well, but still doesn't feel effortless. Would bounce a 3.2 in there in a heartbeat!
Why dont you come and drive one then I’m shore you will be impressed.call me on 0265853200

[Vern]

If you are looking at an engine swap, talk to Les Richmond Automotive in Melbourne, they're on facebook, have a website etc & have been doing all sorts of LandRover engine swaps for years,....they are pretty switched on.
Pickles.They only do 1 conversion really, LSX engines. No diesel options

[Tins]

I’m serious re this upgrade.
Im currently selling my home in FNQ, have put a deposit on a new Zone RV 20.6 Off Road van and looking at buying a block in Tassie, and traveling.
Time to start living life and enjoying my early retirement.
I’m concerned that the 2.2 will struggle with the van and as my Defender is a keeper, this engine swap is the logical next step. Only other option is a Discovery or RR, but I love my Defender and it’s done up just how I wanted.
Only 137,000 on my current engine and the BAS170 tune etc, but a 3.2 sounds more useful to me than a petrol V8.
‘I’ll be contacting Grinna for details and will likely get the vehicle looked into once the house sells and I take delivery of the van, hopefully by June(ish).
Ive also contacted MR Automotive re details of any engine swaps they do. Just waiting for an email reply.
I wonder if Auto is worth looking into with the 3.2 mod? Obviously, cost has to be managed as much as possible.
Lets keep the momentum behind this thread going.
More to follow from me re engine options as available.
Best wishes fellas.

Ken

While my future plans are by no means set, I will probably be in roughly the same boat. The house sold, a block bought somewhere for a base, and a Defender purchased. It would need to be something I could live in, so a Mulgo converted 110 or 130, on airbags. I'm torn between a TD5, as i like them, or a Puma, 'cos they are more modern...., well a little. The 3.2 seems like a no brainer to me, as it addresses the one thing that has bedevilled ALL Defenders; power.

In the next month or so I am planning to come up to Sydney to talk to Daniel about Mulgo. If there is a 3.2 Defender around at that time I would seriously like to come and drive it. I would also like to follow up on an auto conversion. My former employer has a 79 series LC with a six speed auto conversion and it absolutely transforms the car.

[grinna1965]

While my future plans are by no means set, I will probably be in roughly the same boat. The house sold, a block bought somewhere for a base, and a Defender purchased. It would need to be something I could live in, so a Mulgo converted 110 or 130, on airbags. I'm torn between a TD5, as i like them, or a Puma, 'cos they are more modern...., well a little. The 3.2 seems like a no brainer to me, as it addresses the one thing that has bedevilled ALL Defenders; power.

In the next month or so I am planning to come up to Sydney to talk to Daniel about Mulgo. If there is a 3.2 Defender around at that time I would seriously like to come and drive it. I would also like to follow up on an auto conversion. My former employer has a 79 series LC with a six speed auto conversion and it absolutely transforms the car.
As far as i know mate i am the only one in the country that has successfully done this conversion,and yes there will be a 6r80 auto available later in the year
cheers Grinna

[skc]

Why dont you come and drive one then I’m shore you will be impressed.call me on 0265853200

Am o/s on business for the next couple of week. Will give you a shout when I get home.


Stephen

[Tins]

As far as i know mate i am the only one in the country that has successfully done this conversion,and yes there will be a 6r80 auto available later in the year
cheers Grinna

Serious? I'm your man, if i choose this path. Sounds great. LT 230?

[Tins]

I have to ask. I know that the Durateq engine makes this a good conversion, but is there anything to prevent doing this to say a County? Auto pref. I mean, transplant a Puma drivetrain into a County, and hit it with 3.2? I have absolutely no idea about getting it passed by an engineer, nor do I know anything about the various Defender chassis configs. I ask merely because a 2 door ( should that be 3? ) would be possibly preferable for my needs. The increased costs of this conversion would be offset by the lower purchase price. Thoughts? It is unlikely I would venture down this path inside of 12 months, but some planning would be great.

[uninformed]

I have to ask. I know that the Durateq engine makes this a good conversion, but is there anything to prevent doing this to say a County? Auto pref. I mean, transplant a Puma drivetrain into a County, and hit it with 3.2? I have absolutely no idea about getting it passed by an engineer, nor do I know anything about the various Defender chassis configs. I ask merely because a 2 door ( should that be 3? ) would be possibly preferable for my needs. The increased costs of this conversion would be offset by the lower purchase price. Thoughts? It is unlikely I would venture down this path inside of 12 months, but some planning would be great.

2 door hard top 110s are not that common and generally command a bit more of a premium because of this. Youll probably find more Defenders than Countys

Why would you swap in the whole drive train. That would be madness! You would, by the nature of your conversion, be swapping engine, gearbox and T/case. The early Countys has the integerated gearbox/t/case LT95. The later Countys having the LT85 and early LT230, which youd want to change anyway.

BUT!

The front axle assembly was the best LR made, The rear a Sals 8HA much stronger than the Rover diff. Both front and rear have wider spaced wheel bearings. Front CVs are strongest possible OEM. Drum brakes will be the drawback on the rear, but can be converted.


Now in Australia the first coil sprung Land Rovers where commonaly referred to as "Countys" , but they were really called, by LR, Land Rover 110. County was the trim level. Like Ford Ghia. Not many non-Countys were sold here, so the term stuck.

When LR released the range in the UK/Europe, they were simple referred to by their wheelbase, 90, 110 and 127. Then Came the Defender and thats what they are to this day.

Puma is just the code name for the engine development programe.....

[grinna1965]

I have to ask. I know that the Durateq engine makes this a good conversion, but is there anything to prevent doing this to say a County? Auto pref. I mean, transplant a Puma drivetrain into a County, and hit it with 3.2? I have absolutely no idea about getting it passed by an engineer, nor do I know anything about the various Defender chassis configs. I ask merely because a 2 door ( should that be 3? ) would be possibly preferable for my needs. The increased costs of this conversion would be offset by the lower purchase price. Thoughts? It is unlikely I would venture down this path inside of 12 months, but some planning would be great.
Yes we can fit this engine & transmission into anything at all,that’s why we showed a video of the engine running on the floor to show it can be run in any vehicle of choice

[DiscoMick]

I notice the Land Rover Owner International magazine fleet includes a Td5 90 Defender with an auto conversion so that must also be possible. No idea of details.

[cripesamighty]

Mick, the auto boxes that get put into the Tdi and TD5 Defenders are swapped straight out of the equivalent Discovery 1 and Discovery 2 auto's so is fairly easy (relatively speaking). The TDCi Defenders didn't have that luxury so it's a bit more involved. Ashcrofts does all three conversions, but there are others that do them too. Have a squiz at the link below. I've often thought if I had some play money it might be a fun, but expensive thing to do!

Ashcroft Transmissions (http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/defender-auto-conversion-kits.html)

[Tins]

Yes we can fit this engine & transmission into anything at all,that’s why we showed a video of the engine running on the floor to show it can be run in any vehicle of choice

Cheers. I haven't seen that vid. I'll check it out.

[Baytown]

Hi Grinner.
Do you have HP and torque figures available for your 3.2 conversion now that it’s been in the Defender for a while and hopefully dialled in?
Can this engine easily be chipped/reflashed to increase the output accordingly?
Finally, what would be the rough build time please Grinna.
I only have the one vehicle now so just want to start looking at options re getting around during the engine/transmission swap, deciding between the 3.2 vs LS3, vs buying an Disco 4 SDV6 as a dedicated tow vehicle etc.
Thanks for any information mate.

Ken

[grinna1965]

Hi Grinner.
Do you have HP and torque figures available for your 3.2 conversion now that it’s been in the Defender for a while and hopefully dialled in?
Can this engine easily be chipped/reflashed to increase the output accordingly?
Finally, what would be the rough build time please Grinna.
I only have the one vehicle now so just want to start looking at options re getting around during the engine/transmission swap, deciding between the 3.2 vs LS3, vs buying an Disco 4 SDV6 as a dedicated tow vehicle etc.
Thanks for any information mate.

Ken
our dyno is a 2wd but the figures will be fairly close.A 2.2 with a remap and bigger intercooler at the wheels is approx 110hp & 345nm these figgers are compareable to a bas 170hp tune so it lets you know how much power your loosing between the flywheel and wheels
our 3.2 at the moment is 192hp & 500nm at the wheels.as you can see its 75%increase in hp & 45% increase in torque
a ford ranger std at the wheels is 145hp & 350nm and after remap is 170hp and 440nm
the is no chip or flash tune,it is a stand alone ecu that we custom tune here

[uninformed]

I like it....

I dont think the rover diffs, axles, cvs and cheapen'd centre diff will lol.

Keep up the good work

[cripesamighty]

I really like those power figures. One powerball..... [bigsmile1]

[D90 orkney]

Is there a ball park figure for this engine conversion?

[grinna1965]

Is there a ball park figure for this engine conversion?
Yes there is give me a call as there are different packages (02 65853200)cheers

[Tins]

Yes there is give me a call as there are different packages (02 65853200)cheers

Very friendly and helpful you are, too.

[Baytown]

I spoke to Grinna today re the conversion. Nice, helpful fella.
It sounds very promising and just what I’m after. I might get away with minimal running gear changes as I have HD hubs, and ARB Air locker diff centres.
‘I forgot to ask about exhaust system changes, but most of the engine plumbing retains standard Defender 2.2 hoses which is great re servicing etc.
I just need my house to sell so I can sort the logistics out. Does anyone want to buy a 2.2 engine and maybe gear box with 140,000kms on it?😉
Best wishes all.

Ken

[Tins]

‘I forgot to ask about exhaust system changes, but most of the engine plumbing retains standard Defender 2.2 hoses which is great re servicing etc.


I spoke to Glenn today as well. Seems like it is all covered. He sources manifolds from the US, other bits from elsewhere. It really sounds like a well thought through conversion. Not simply a case of bolt it in and drive it out. I reckon the price is quite reasonable, especially given the volume of work. There won't be a whole lot of them. I love the idea. Especially in a 130.

[uninformed]

The 3.2 is a great engine (so far for me) but imo definitely needs a lt230 behind it. I think any LR owner will love it as long as the install is sorted and trouble free

[uninformed]

Btw 120 nm loss on the dyno seems a lot to me or is this normal?

[dazzler]

What is the swap over process inc timelines starting from commit to completion, compliance to drive away etc

Many Thanks,
pd

[Dervish]

...our 3.2 at the moment is 192hp & 500nm at the wheels.

I would be keen to see that dyno readout, any chance you could post it up?

[Tins]

The 3.2 is a great engine (so far for me) but imo definitely needs a lt230 behind it. I think any LR owner will love it as long as the install is sorted and trouble free

My understanding was, and Glenn can obviously correct me, that you would keep the LT230 if you stuck with the 6 speed manual. If you want the Ranger auto, then it changes.

[SPROVER]

Hmm... what about a D2 conversion? [emoji16]

[Tins]

Hmm... what about a D2 conversion? [emoji16]

Glenn says he can put 'em in anything. Question is, is a D2 worth the expense?

[filcar]

Glenn says he can put 'em in anything. Question is, is a D2 worth the expense?

Les Richmond Autos is toying with the idea of building D2's to a pretty wild spec (LS3 6.2litre etc etc etc) for around $125K Les Richmond Automotive - Home | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/lrautomotive/)

[Baytown]

Sorry mate;
Have you a 3.2 installed in a Puma?
Who did the work?
Also, sorry, what’s an LT230? An auto box?
Thanks for any info.
Ken


The 3.2 is a great engine (so far for me) but imo definitely needs a lt230 behind it. I think any LR owner will love it as long as the install is sorted and trouble free

[uninformed]

No, I have the 3.2 in my BT50. But in wet weather, IMO, it would be MUCH better with full time 4wd. The LT230 is the FT 4WD transfer case that LR use in the RRC, Disco 1/2 and 110's and defenders. Great Transfer case IMO.

John, I wasnt saying the 3.2 conversion lost the LT230, just it would have better driveability with it...

[grinna1965]

The 3.2 is a great engine (so far for me) but imo definitely needs a lt230 behind it. I think any LR owner will love it as long as the install is sorted and trouble freethe manual has the lt230 behind it.I just suggested to the other guy if he was in a hurry for an auto we could do it using the ranger auto and transfer case as our lt230 case adaptor is still in the process of being manufactured

[grinna1965]

Btw 120 nm loss on the dyno seems a lot to me or is this normal?very normal mate,people always get dissheartend when the realise how much torque and hp they dont have,most people dont relise that manufactures specs are at the flywheel with no fan or accessories fitted

[grinna1965]

What is the swap over process inc timelines starting from commit to completion, compliance to drive away etc

Many Thanks,
pdfrom time off commitment you will pay a deposit for me to purchase the neccessary items once i have all that i will call and book you in and i need you vehicle for approx 4 weeks

[grinna1965]

I would be keen to see that dyno readout, any chance you could post it up?call in one day and i will give you all the figures you would like and i will even through you car on the dyno for a comparrison if you like.As we all know its seat of the pants experience that counts not numbers.Or better still give me a call and we will have a chat

[grinna1965]

Fitting a new 3.2 and auto to 130 starting in 2 weeks shall keep you updated

[dazzler]

Fitting a new 3.2 and auto to 130 starting in 2 weeks shall keep you updated


All the glitches/derivability issues sorted?

Many Thanks

[grinna1965]

All the glitches/derivability issues sorted?

Many ThanksYes mate should come and see for your self when your ready

[carpdvl]

Very interested to hear more about these - definitely in two minds about going the route of tuning up current stock 2.4 if end result will still leave more to be desired. Especially for towing. Might give you a call tomorrow Grinna!

[grinna1965]

Very interested to hear more about these - definitely in two minds about going the route of tuning up current stock 2.4 if end result will still leave more to be desired. Especially for towing. Might give you a call tomorrow Grinna!
the 3.2 and 6speed auto is near completion,did some road testing yesterday it was very impressive should be in the customers hands with in the fortnight
any questions please dont hesitate to call me on 02 65853200

[carpdvl]

the 3.2 and 6speed auto is near completion,did some road testing yesterday it was very impressive should be in the customers hands with in the fortnight
any questions please dont hesitate to call me on 02 65853200Cheers Glenn.

For the others curious I had a chat with Glenn and ended up checking out the conversion on the long weekend. Needless to say was sold after a quick drive.

Totally transforms the feel of the car and Glenn has a great shop with some other awesome projects going on (some other unreal swaps)

Will definitely be dropping mine off in the new year!

[Slunnie]

the 3.2 and 6speed auto is near completion,did some road testing yesterday it was very impressive should be in the customers hands with in the fortnight
any questions please dont hesitate to call me on 02 65853200

Glenn, do you see this is as being viable for the Disco2 Td5 replacement. Would the ACE pump still be able to be retained and the tachometer, cruise control still be able to be retained? Is this with the LT230 transfer?

Just asking here because I'm sure it will be a common question.

[grinna1965]

Glenn, do you see this is as being viable for the Disco2 Td5 replacement. Would the ACE pump still be able to be retained and the tachometer, cruise control still be able to be retained? Is this with the LT230 transfer?

Just asking here because I'm sure it will be a common question.if your disco is an auto i would probably suggest we fit the 2.7 v6 from a sport or disco 3 as there wouldnt be much more mods to be done.The reason we use the 3.2 in the defender is because there isnt to much mods to be done.If i had the time i would put the range rover 3.6 turbo and auto into my defender but it just wouldnt be economical for most people thats why we have done it this way to try and make it as affordable for those that have unfortunately had an engine failure or simply want more power.cheers

[Baytown]

So CarpDVI, did you end up getting the conversion done? Its very quiet on this thread re vehicles on the road with the conversion, over a year since the last message. (Can’t find any owners posts at all re the experience and benefits gained, but the same goes for the LS3 conversions as well though.)

I’m going to see if I can drop into Glenns’ shop in early Feb when I head over to the mainland for a month, so as to view the installation and test drive if able. I’ll contact him this week to discuss, I’m going to decide whether to go 3.2 or LS3, and need the pros and cons from the installers.

The 6 speed auto will also be installed at the same time, then I can sell my Discovery 4 HSE, and the Puma 2.2 and gear box.

Watch this space, as I intend to have it done (either engine) by May this year (2020) and will certainly post my views on the conversion befits, and photos, videos etc.

Ken


Cheers Glenn.

For the others curious I had a chat with Glenn and ended up checking out the conversion on the long weekend. Needless to say was sold after a quick drive.

Totally transforms the feel of the car and Glenn has a great shop with some other awesome projects going on (some other unreal swaps)

Will definitely be dropping mine off in the new year!

[carpdvl]

Unfortunately not! Postponed for now.


Do drop in though. Glenn had a tonne on the go when I went - LS3 conversion for a kiwi defer, Cummins (or some other diesel V8) going in a perentie, the aforementioned 3.2...

So any which way he will be able to give you sound advice on it.
So CarpDVI, did you end up getting the conversion done? Its very quiet on this thread re vehicles on the road with the conversion, over a year since the last message. (Can’t find any owners posts at all re the experience and benefits gained, but the same goes for the LS3 conversions as well though.)

I’m going to see if I can drop into Glenns’ shop in early Feb when I head over to the mainland for a month, so as to view the installation and test drive if able. I’ll contact him this week to discuss, I’m going to decide whether to go 3.2 or LS3, and need the pros and cons from the installers.

The 6 speed auto will also be installed at the same time, then I can sell my Discovery 4 HSE, and the Puma 2.2 and gear box.

Watch this space, as I intend to have it done (either engine) by May this year (2020) and will certainly post my views on the conversion befits, and photos, videos etc.

Ken

[mathieu]

Hello everybody,
Sorry for my poor english, I live in Belgium :twobeers:. I'm just begining the realisation of a dream, put a 3.2 in my 2.4 puma defender.
An ugly Ford Transit has taken place in my garage Saturday... ugly but big 5 pots heart :angel: .

I've read many of defenders forums (AUS, UK,...) and have a relatively clear view of what challenge is in front of me.

Just now 3 questions in my head:

1) Do you keep the auxiliaries (alternator, PS pump, A/C compressor) like on the Transit/Ranger, or like on the Defender ?
2) If A/C compressor like on the defernder, I've read the their is an issue to close the hood, and we need to lower the motor mounts. What answer have you found for that ?
3)Do you have problem with the front axle that goes on the oil pan when the axle goes up while offroading ? Even the 2.4 had a recall for a new oil pan with clearance for the front axle

Thank you for reading and hope this thread will live ! :thumbsup:

Mathieu

[Baytown]

Hi Mathieu;

Im not sure you’ll get too much informed info here as there’s very few Defenders with this engine swap currently, and I’ve not seen any comments from current owners.

Grinna (Glen) is the technician on here who has success in fitting them at his business ‘Momentum 4x4’.

4x4 Auto Repair in Wauchope | Momentum 4x4 Performance Centre (https://www.momentum4x4.net.au/)

All the best for the install and don’t forget to send pictures here!

Ken

[mathieu]

Hi Ken,
Thank you for your message. I'll keep you informed when I begin the job. Hope I find advices with guys who run with it [tonguewink]

[Noobishly]

Afternoon Team,


I am looking to purchase my dream car (defender) but am feeling like the 2.2 will be lacking, so I am seriously comsidering buying a clapped out defender for cheap and replacing the engine to a 3.2.

Anymore information on long term testing for the conversion for axles/diffs and drivetrain? does it wear the 2.2/2.4 drivetrain and axles out fast or is it safe to swap in.

thanks in advance

Noob

[ramblingboy42]

I don't think you will find a clapped out 2.2 or 2.4 defender.

I don't know what 3.2 engine you hope to transplant.....a 5cyl Ford?

What axle diff conversions are you thinking of?

still there are many modified defenders on this forum.

[Noobishly]

Have you even read this thread?

I have found a 2.4 with 300k on the clock for cheap, so I guess I would call that clapped out.



I don't think you will find a clapped out 2.2 or 2.4 defender.

I don't know what 3.2 engine you hope to transplant.....a 5cyl Ford?

What axle diff conversions are you thinking of?

still there are many modified defenders on this forum.

[loanrangie]

Have you even read this thread?

I have found a 2.4 with 300k on the clock for cheap, so I guess I would call that clapped out.That entirely depends on what you call cheap, 300k is barely run in.

[Noobishly]

35k for it.


That entirely depends on what you call cheap, 300k is barely run in.

[ramblingboy42]

Have you even read this thread?

I have found a 2.4 with 300k on the clock for cheap, so I guess I would call that clapped out.

yes 7mths ago

I'm responding to your post 2days ago

[MLD]

Afternoon Team,


I am looking to purchase my dream car (defender) but am feeling like the 2.2 will be lacking, so I am seriously comsidering buying a clapped out defender for cheap and replacing the engine to a 3.2.

Anymore information on long term testing for the conversion for axles/diffs and drivetrain? does it wear the 2.2/2.4 drivetrain and axles out fast or is it safe to swap in.

thanks in advance

Noob

Reach out to Glenn (Grinna) (see earlier posts) what's involved. Budget 35k. i suspect he will recommend the TDV6 over the TDCi3.2. The only 3.2 conversion i know runs 35 spline rear end (not because of the conversion) and i believe upgraded front internals. It is tuned to 600nm at the rear wheels and causes the MT82 clutch to slip when towing on steep/long hills. I'd be more inclined to fit a BMW M57TU2 with ZF 6sp auto. superior to the TDV6 and 3.2 in spades. With a modest tune will give you +600NM at the wheels.