Anyone famous?

[SimmAus]

Hi All

Not sure how many of you watch the ewetube. Theres a fellow called Andrew St Pierre White. (4XOverland) who has some very nice touring videos.

In a recent video he talks about overland vehicles and what to watch out for.

He appears to have some long held gripes about Landrover, and is not a fan of EAS. In a recent video he has commented on various models and there’s a pic of one D4 that suffered multiple punctures.

Anyone on here?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/11/820.jpg


Full video at

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Cheers
Mark

[Tombie]

He’s a twatwaffle of the highest order that bloke.

[Tins]

He's certainly famous in the off road circles, but most of his stuff has been in Africa. He's a well respected author and motoring journalist, but his main thing is video, and he is an awarded video editor.

I have been following his stuff for years, and am now a Patreon, I enjoy his stuff so much. I don't always agree with him, but that is a good thing. He and his good mate Paul Marsh have enormous knowledge. Well worth the time, especially when you consider most of ewetube is dross, posted by people with nothing to offer. Check out some of his African and North American stuff.

[Tins]

He’s a twatwaffle of the highest order that bloke.

Couldn't disagree more.

[rangieman]

I enjoy his stuff but Tombie is correct except i will add he is living in the past with some of his prehistoric dumb theories :Rolling: = Dinosaur :soapbox:
And i must say this is only his opinion so John you need a boring Cruiser like your boring prehistoric mate:tease:

[weeds]

I only watched one of his shows......actually don’t think I got to the end, haven’t been tempted to watch any others

[Tins]

I enjoy his stuff but Tombie is correct except i will add he is living in the past with some of his prehistoric dumb theories :Rolling: = Dinosaur :soapbox:
And i must say this is only his opinion so John you need a boring Cruiser like your boring prehistoric mate:tease:

If you can't be bothered to actually check him out properly your opinion of him is worthless.

[Tins]

I only watched one of his shows......actually don’t think I got to the end, haven’t been tempted to watch any others.

If your attention span is so poor to not actually at least watch to the end, your opinion of him is worthless as well.

[timax]

I enjoy his stuff but Tombie is correct except i will add he is living in the past with some of his prehistoric dumb theories :Rolling: = Dinosaur :soapbox:
And i must say this is only his opinion so John you need a boring Cruiser like your boring prehistoric mate:tease:

Would like to know what theories your referring to?Im interested in everyones opinions.

[SimmAus]

I was initially curious whether the multiple punctures belonged to someone on here...but it’s morphed into a discussion on AspW.
For what’s its worth..and IMHO, his videos are very nice compared to most of the 4wd videos on ewetube. He does a nice job of narrating and has a great eye for the cinematically capturing landscapes.
His views?...he does seem to have a problem with LR, and modern technology..but also comments about the weaknesses of all vehicles equally.
Overall..some interesting stuff to watch
Now, did anyone here have 4 punctures on that track?

[timax]

I was initially curious whether the multiple punctures belonged to someone on here...but it’s morphed into a discussion on AspW.
For what’s its worth..and IMHO, his videos are very nice compared to most of the 4wd videos on ewetube. He does a nice job of narrating and has a great eye for the cinematically capturing landscapes.
His views?...he does seem to have a problem with LR, and modern technology..but also comments about the weaknesses of all vehicles equally.
Overall..some interesting stuff to watch
Now, did anyone here have 4 punctures on that track?

He has owned landrovers and driven many more. His problem with them started when he questioned one of their early traction control attempts. SA Landrover didnt like a negative comment and so blacklisted him. Really we should be glad there are motoring journos out there who will bag a product despite what advertising dollars are involved.
Interesting to watch the Baboons pass vid where he is in a D4. The problems with the car here is what he was worried about also.

[weeds]

.

If your attention span is so poor to not actually at least watch to the end, your opinion of him is worthless as well.

Er nope....I thought he was a tosser simple as that.

[northiam]

His video points out the perils of under-inflating larger rim low profile tyres destroying the side walls.
Evidence suggests thats what happened here.

[northiam]

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At 14:50 he talks about tyres for D3 and D4

We all know 19 and 20 inch tyres are a problem with the low profiles[bigsmile1]

He suggests 3 Bar.g 45 psi...

[Russrobe]

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At 14:50 he talks about tyres for D3 and D4

We all know 19 and 20 inch tyres are a problem with the low profiles[bigsmile1]

He suggests 3 Bar.g 45 psi...I don't mind his videos but disagree with his opinion that air suspension is not suitable for overland touring. That's fine he's not god, it's an opinion. Much like I agree with him that using 19" wheels for touring isn't practicable while others on here believe they are fine and use them.

When you have a kit that can pump up each airbag individually with an external air compressor, bypassing the entire system and know worldwide there has been all but a handful of complete airbag failures. Then he goes on to talk mention an overloaded ranger stranded on CSR with a snapped spring... Maybe springs are less reliable.

At least he's not one of the fools that just say 'There's too many electronics'. He states two problems which are solvable.

[northiam]

In the event of a total failure of EAS I thought you could still drive on the bump stops (depending on the terrain of course) ?

[rangieman]

If you can't be bothered to actually check him out properly your opinion of him is worthless.
And that i have done and that`s how one came to such a conclusion[wink11]
So my opinion of him is not worthless [tonguewink]

[rangieman]

Would like to know what theories your referring to?Im interested in everyones opinions.
For starters his opinion on EAS is not suitable for off road :bat:
And of course the yota with prehistoric leaf springs is suitable:Rolling:
Look it is horses for courses and i get it Leaf springs , coils , Torsion bar suspension and Air bags all have there pro`s and con`s but at the end of the day it is what suits our need`s and wish`s .
So nothing is set in stone that some opinionated git can shoot down in flames with their personal opinion`s to flog his video`s.
At least i can see the pro`s and con`s in suspension set up`s and design`s [thumbsupbig]

[trout1105]

In the event of a total failure of EAS I thought you could still drive on the bump stops (depending on the terrain of course)
?

I had to travel about 500k home on the bump stops fully loaded towing my boat and it would have to be the most uncomfortable 500k's I have ever travelled in my D2a.
I had an intermittent fault in my SLS and every time I took it in to get sorted it worked perfectly, In the end I had a gut full so I went with a spring conversion which is a cheaper fix and a Permanent one.
Yes the SLS provides a far superior ride But when the system turns to crap in the bush it can be an absolute bastard and having the steel springs fitted has removed any possibility of a SLS crash and the ride is still superior to the Jap brigade.
I have to concur with Andrew that air suspension CAN be a weak link for serious long off road trips, Maybe on a new or newish truck it will be just fine but on my 2004 D2a it had become a liability.

[Homestar]

Er nope....I thought he was a tosser simple as that.

Yep, very much the same impression I got too - I made it to the end of one video though - won’t be bothering with a second...

And John, while I respect that you enjoy his videos, everyone’s entitled to an opinion, even if they’ve only watched 5 minutes and their opinions are as valid as yours or anyone else’s - (In my opinion 😉)

[DiscoMick]

I enjoy his videos but disagree with some of his opinions, which is fine.

[Redback]

I think he does a great job, and like Mick I don't agree with everything he says, but he is pretty well spot on about air suspension IMO.

It's not just an EAS sensor that can affect the suspension, an MAP/MAF sensor failure can spoil your day also, I know this because it happened to us on our Kimberley trip, thankfully we had spares and a diagnostic tool, also just getting a puncture can affect the EAS too.

Our D4 was overloaded for the trip and dragging a camper didn't help I did try to keep the weight down but the standard kerb weight of a D4 and the added accessories is a big issue for long trips, something I am going to try to solve for future big trips, we destroyed 6 brand new tyres and I think weight, the roads and the type of tyre were major factors, but weight is the big one.

Now having said all that, the car itself was brilliant and for all the weight we were carrying I was very impressed with the amount of things that didn't go wrong, the only repairs we had to do on our return was new rear LCA bushes, not bad really considering the roads and Ks we did.

Is the D4 suitable for overland travel, probably not BUT I think weight is it's biggest problem and with the newer models, weight and rim size.

[TuffRR]

we destroyed 6 brand new tyres, and I think weight the roads and the type of tyre were major factors, but weight is the big one.


What tyres?

[trout1105]

Is the D4 suitable suitable for overland travel, probably not BUT I think weight is it's biggest problem and with the newer models, weight and rim size.

I don't think there is ANY 4WD ready or suitable for a serious overland trip new out of the box regardless of who manufactures it.
Also as many of us don't have the financial resources neded to buy brand new top of the shelf trucks and then modify them to our needs in the manner Andrew has done to his latest troopy and there are compromises that have to be made by the vast majority of us.
Going the Hilux, Cruiser or Nissan route is one way to do it But you don't get much for your dollars with these and although being extremely reliable they are pretty much just Cattle trucks compared to a Discovery from the same year that will come with a much higher level of sophistication and comfort for in the most cases far less cost.

[Redback]

What tyres?

Bridgestone Dueler MT674

[cuppabillytea]

He has been deeply embittered by what LR did to him, several years ago now and has a profound anti- Land Rover bias. No credible journalist should allow bias to cloud his reporting.
His comparisons are quite often miss matched and poorly designed IMHO.
Despite all of his Bagging of Land Rover his fondness for them often shines through.
I suspect he makes a tidy income from Toyota.( Honest Personal Opinion.)

[SeanC]

He has been deeply embittered by what LR did to him, several years ago now and has a profound anti- Land Rover bias. No credible journalist should allow bias to cloud his reporting.
His comparisons are quite often miss matched and poorly designed IMHO.
Despite all of his Bagging of Land Rover his fondness for them often shines through.
I suspect he makes a tidy income from Toyota.( Honest Personal Opinion.)

If you think he is biased against Land Rover watch the last 3 minutes of Part 4 of D4 on Baboon Pass Lesotho. He has nothing but praise for the D4.

[Ferret]

He has been deeply embittered by what LR did to him, several years ago now and has a profound anti- Land Rover bias. ...

He has a video discussing his relationship with LR, what went wrong etc.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiZBeQ5zPFA

He says LR gave him a manual D2 to test drive, which was hopeless in his experience. His comments about the lack of a central diff lock on the D2 and poor off road performance as a result are, in general terms, fair enough I think.

After writing about it, LR requested he undertaking driving instruction which he did. The driving instructors used an auto D2 to train and to demonstrate D2 off road performance which Saint Pierre says this time was satisfactory though not really an advance over a manually locked centre diff provided different driving styles are adopted. Again all that is fair enough in itself.

However, the difference in performance between the manual D2 which he initially drove and the auto D2 which the LR instructors were using was put down to 2 reasons

1) the training course track was 'fixed' to bias it towards LR performance. (possibly, who knows)
2) the fact the manual D2 has an open and unlockable centre diff whereas the auto D2 had a viscous auto locking centre differential. (totally wrong)

To my knowledge the centre diff on the auto D2 was identical to the centre diff on the manual D2. I do wonder if some of LR displeasure was just because ASP was writing about a product he didn't take the time to research properly. As a reader / watcher of his videos (at least this one) you got to wonder if he entirely knows what he is taking about.

[101RRS]

If he was given a D2 without a centre diff lock then this must have all happened about 15-17 years ago - about time to get over it I think but if he was given a D2 without a difflock then I would say his comments were fair enough as all motoring writers at the time were saying the same thing.

[Ferret]

Yes, I gather he is talking about years ago, his first experience with the first D2 model which did have open centre diff and no means of locking it. His comments on that are fair enough.

But the video was published only this year, recounting his experiences of years ago and after all those years he still doesn't know there is / was no difference between the centre diff on the manual and auto versions of the first D2.

[SeanC]

He says Land Rover bought out the D2 Series 2 that had the lockable centre diff in the manual. Don't know much about D2 so I don't if this correct.

[Guss]

If you think he is biased against Land Rover watch the last 3 minutes of Part 4 of D4 on Baboon Pass Lesotho. He has nothing but praise for the D4.

I agree.

I thought this was very entertaining. Taking a stock D4 with tires at 45 PSI around the Baboon Pass. Great effort. :)

[cripesamighty]

If he did his test drive around 2002/03 (when they put the centre diff lock back in), maybe he tested a D2 manual, followed by a D2a auto? Also, that Baboon Pass trip he did was epic!

[bln]

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At 14:50 he talks about tyres for D3 and D4

We all know 19 and 20 inch tyres are a problem with the low profiles[bigsmile1]

He suggests 3 Bar.g 45 psi...

I think he’s way of the mark with his discussion about 19inch tyres - you would never never never run these tyres at 45psi let alone on a rough track. From my experience in a D4 with 19 inch wheels I have followed the manufactures recommendations - lower the tyre pressures on dirt roads. My wife and I have done cape Yorke, Arnhem Land, Kimberley’s, binds track, Birdsville, Karijini ..... etc on 19 inch wheels and we have not had a single puncture due to side wall damage. I lower the tyre pressure down to 18-25 in the front and 25 on the rear. The tyres I have used have been cooper Ltz and more recently the maxxis with the 3ply side wall. I have travelled 99k since jan 2016 and I reckon a third of this would be dirt road.
With regards to reliability - nothing has gone wrong. Not even a warranty issue.
With regards to capability - extremely capable.
Toughness - extremely tough.

So I think I have probably have had more experience in a D4 than he has and I think he’s well off the mark.

You know the other thing that gets me is that he doesn’t consider the performance on-road or off-road. In terms of road handling, braking, and engine performance the D4 leaves most of its competitors well behind. We spend most of our time on the bitumen and on-road performance is very important.

[Bagoo76]

I believe that the key point to Andrew’s (the git as some wish to call him) comments relate to risk management. He has clearly stated that new land rover’s are fantastic vehicles however their complexity does not suit the nature of remote travel. Should you encounter a problem with these vehicles outside of an urban area you will inevitably find it very difficult to repair (unless you can do it yourself). Each to their own, that’s the wonderful thing about a democracy. I personally would rather have less comfort in exchange for reduced risk...

[Bigbjorn]

I had to travel about 500k home on the bump stops fully loaded towing my boat and it would have to be the most uncomfortable 500k's I have ever travelled in my D2a.
I had an intermittent fault in my SLS and every time I took it in to get sorted it worked perfectly, In the end I had a gut full so I went with a spring conversion which is a cheaper fix and a Permanent one.
Yes the SLS provides a far superior ride But when the system turns to crap in the bush it can be an absolute bastard and having the steel springs fitted has removed any possibility of a SLS crash and the ride is still superior to the Jap brigade.
I have to concur with Andrew that air suspension CAN be a weak link for serious long off road trips, Maybe on a new or newish truck it will be just fine but on my 2004 D2a it had become a liability.

I still hold to my opinion that much modern vehicle technology is not suitable for safe remote outback use. I firmly believe that automotive electronics are not yet sufficiently reliable for remote area use. Someone will be stranded and die if this has not already happened. Outback vehicles need to be rugged, simple, easily diagnosed and repaired roadside without diagnostic equipment and special tools. I will stick with my 110 County Isuzu. No electronics other than the radio-cd player.

[Timo110]

I watched some of his videos. Although they are informative and nice to see Overland travel in Africa etc. I found them a bit slow and not my first choice to come back to. Too many hand held selfie close ups

Cheers

[vee8auto]

He’s a twatwaffle of the highest order that bloke.

at least Andrew puts up reasoned justifications for all of his conclusions.

You're not the only one, but people on this forum that just chime in with "thats crap" or "you're speaking $hit"... or words to that effect. And then no more justification.

Its pretty offensive behaviour.

No other way to describe it.

[AGRO]

Hi,

I've just watched a few of "the git's" videos and found them all interesting with snippets of useful information and many useful ideas surrounding remote area travel. He is a a bit long winded and wordy. I suggest most of us who are passionate about our much loved vehicles and setup generally bore the ears off a donkey when someone flicks our switch.

I have a D4 2.7 MY11 and have travelled over 200,000kms still on original engine and gearbox (pan/oil changed) through deserts and roads less traveled. Still love it.

I found his set up/preparation for his new troop carrier prior to his CSR trip most interesting and full of ideas and "possibilities" for improvement to my vehicle. My travelling companion would love the HWS and shower but alas storage space and weight limitations necessitate compromise.

[aaronthomas]

As someone else stated earlier I like that he provides basis for his reasoning, generally I find him tolerable only due to what is clearly and educated opinion backed with experience. I will often load up one of his clips while I am doing my ironing or cooking dinner and have it playing in the back ground, only drawing my full attention if I hear something of note. I enjoy his production standard so much more than the current trend with Australian 4X4 media productions that insist on these stupid juvenile dialogue's between vehicles over a two way radio. The Leyland brothers could teach this current generation a thing or two at least give us a few sweetheart shots of their hot wives hey, now that would make for some easy watching ;)

[Milton477]

As much as people like to bag him, he has a career that many would love to have so he must be doing something right. His approach to off roading is sensible & easy on the environment, people & vehicles.

As with any advice from whatever source, there are bits that are relevant to one's situation & bits that are not. Take what you need, leave the rest. His video about the construction of the Troopy was the first time I had seen Lead Crystal batteries. Helped me decide to fit Lithiums, not Lead Crystals to my van.

I think his photography (apart from his pre sunrise face) is fantastic & captures the beauty of the places he visits. Keep them rolling Andrew!

Oh & about the 'abandoned' D4 with not tyres left, I hope you figured out what the problem was & got back safely. (My attempt to stay on topic)

[loanrangie]

I believe that the key point to Andrew’s (the git as some wish to call him) comments relate to risk management. He has clearly stated that new land rover’s are fantastic vehicles however their complexity does not suit the nature of remote travel. Should you encounter a problem with these vehicles outside of an urban area you will inevitably find it very difficult to repair (unless you can do it yourself). Each to their own, that’s the wonderful thing about a democracy. I personally would rather have less comfort in exchange for reduced risk...

That is true with any modern vehicle, imagine trying to remote travel in a jeep and needing parts somewhere and have a 6 week wait.
No different for toyota's.

[donh54]

If you look at the first videos he made in Australia, before the troopy build, he actually bought a dual cab, then, after going a bit deeper into it, said it would never be a suitable overland vehicle for him, due to the weight distribution issues, so he traded it on the troopy.
I am also a Patreon supporter of Andrew, and find his videos very refreshing after some of the other bs that's out there. I don't agree with all of his theories, either, but it's still interesting how he arrives at some of them.

[Bagoo76]

That is true with any modern vehicle, imagine trying to remote travel in a jeep and needing parts somewhere and have a 6 week wait.
No different for toyota's.

Actually VERY different to Toyota. Toyota has the widest parts availability in this country including used parts. Doesn’t matter whether you agree because it’s a fact just like the earth is round.

[northiam]

Actually VERY different to Toyota. Toyota has the widest parts availability in this country including used parts. Doesn’t matter whether you agree because it’s a fact just like the earth is round.

I agree but!


Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/)

[Bigbjorn]

Actually VERY different to Toyota. Toyota has the widest parts availability in this country including used parts. Doesn’t matter whether you agree because it’s a fact just like the earth is round.

And a ruthless obsolescence policy. No old parts for old cars. Buy a new one you cheap charlie. Likewise Honda.

[Celtoid]

Actually VERY different to Toyota. Toyota has the widest parts availability in this country including used parts. Doesn’t matter whether you agree because it’s a fact just like the earth is round.

Can't remember who they are (AULRO Members) as spares stories having been going around on this site for a while but there have been quite a few comments about woeful Toyota spares availability issues. And these were from guys who were using Toyotas as fleet vehicles in the mines and the like.

[zapata1]

I was initially curious whether the multiple punctures belonged to someone on here...but it’s morphed into a discussion on AspW.
For what’s its worth..and IMHO, his videos are very nice compared to most of the 4wd videos on ewetube. He does a nice job of narrating and has a great eye for the cinematically capturing landscapes.
His views?...he does seem to have a problem with LR, and modern technology..but also comments about the weaknesses of all vehicles equally.
Overall..some interesting stuff to watch
Now, did anyone here have 4 punctures on that track?

Hi all, don't usually post but found the topic interesting.
Andrew st Pierre he certainly has an opinion,he is successful,watchable and whilst I don't agree with everything he says about his various topics, he is miles ahead of many who portray themselves in a similar light.

[Bagoo76]

I agree but!


Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round - Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/)


Lol. Gold!

[Bagoo76]

Can't remember who they are (AULRO Members) as spares stories having been going around on this site for a while but there have been quite a few comments about woeful Toyota spares availability issues. And these were from guys who were using Toyotas as fleet vehicles in the mines and the like.

Not going to argue with first hand experience but all that I am trying to point out is that the Toyo spares are still going to be more accessible than most other brands, especially European.

[Celtoid]

Not going to argue with first hand experience but all that I am trying to point out is that the Toyo spares are still going to be more accessible than most other brands, especially European.

I think that was the point ... everybody probably assumes .... and it was reinforced on this forum that pretty much everybody here also assumed that Toyota parts would be far easier to access.

The threads then drifted to ....if you have an LC 200 you are no better off than a D4, as their bespoke parts would be hard to find too....and probably the required analytical tools.

It then moved to a couple of mine fleet operators saying they couldn't get parts for their Hilux's for weeks ... not hi-tech ... just standard parts.... had to be shipped ... even though you'd assume they'd be a preferred customer.

Recently, there were freshly related stories about LR just getting parts and people to wherever you are in quick time.....probably not so out of warranty.

It's all heresy for me and your logic is solid considering the presence Toyota has in this country and around the world.

But if I was sailing off into the great beyond, I'd get more than just the apparent obvious measure of the support you will find across our vast land.

I was going to say old Toyotas and spare parts for them probably, but an earlier post (about 3 ago) suggests that they may be difficult to sustain moving forward unless somebody is hording old parts.

[Tombie]

at least Andrew puts up reasoned justifications for all of his conclusions.

You're not the only one, but people on this forum that just chime in with "thats crap" or "you're speaking $hit"... or words to that effect. And then no more justification.

Its pretty offensive behaviour.

No other way to describe it.

I was offended - steve hughes - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo)

[Tombie]

Actually VERY different to Toyota. Toyota has the widest parts availability in this country including used parts. Doesn’t matter whether you agree because it’s a fact just like the earth is round.

Your opinion is very un-fact [emoji6]
Having worked with Toyota’s for years I can tell you right now that unless it’s a filter, wheel bearing or belt it’s highly unlikely to be in stock at a Toyota dealer / service agent.

We wait weeks for simple parts...


The earth is not round; it’s a bumpy spheroid [emoji6]

[vee8auto]

I was offended - steve hughes - YouTube (https://youtu.be/ceS_jkKjIgo)

'Offensive' also means attacking, which was part of my meaning.

I just wonder why its so important for you to attack and belittle people via this Forum.

[flotty1974]

I think you'll find that disco was in Africa. I tend to agree with his comments about tyres and there has been many posts on here about tyre selection. As for the mechanical side of things I also agree. With land rover restricting dealerships it jacks up the price on parts and servicing. His comments are only on the discovery range and not defender. You can't really compare a Toyota 70 series to a disco, they are different builds for different purposes. Same with the 200 series. As much as I like giving it to the 200 owners it was designed for a different sub segment to the disco. It will be interesting to see what direction Toyota takes the 200 in the future. Are they going to continue to tech it up to chase the disco or keep it in the middle of disco and 70 series/defender? For use land rover fans, will the new defender going to be as capable and mechanically hard core as the old. End of the day, these decisions are up to individuals when they walk into a showroom. I'm a land rover tragic so I was stuffed from the start 😂

[DiscoMick]

Not going to argue with first hand experience but all that I am trying to point out is that the Toyo spares are still going to be more accessible than most other brands, especially European.
Actually I think you'll find Toyota dealers, like other dealers, only stock the minimum parts and get everything else flown in from a capital city. Keeping surplus stock on hand just in case it might be needed one day is poor management.

[trout1105]

Actually I think you'll find Toyota dealers, like other dealers, only stock the minimum parts and get everything else flown in from a capital city. Keeping surplus stock on hand just in case it might be needed one day is poor management.

Agreed [thumbsupbig]
There wouldn't be too many dealers or workshops that carry the vast array of spare parts like they used to anymore and the very best way to prevent needing these parts when on a trip in the fist place is to have your vehicle in tip top condition Before you head off on your adventure.
Take your truck in for a service and tell them that you will be doing an extended trip and if you are going to be going off road let them know so that they will do a thorough check of the vehicle Or do this yourself.
Too many people just do a simple service and head off on their trip without doing a proper and thorough check of their truck and something simple that could have been rectified easily at home can turn into a complete disaster in the middle of Woop woop because of this.

[kreecha]

I see the initial post degraded into a ****ing contest. I thought we (LR owners) were meant to stick together?

I am a sailor, albeit with a few technical certificates/diplomas etc...... But old mate that created the video has much more off road credentials than me.
I did find it weird though relating to the 45psi (3BAR) for offroad. Crikey my tyre placard reads something like 33psi front and 36/38 rear. I just keep it simple. 36 f/r. Simple. Maybe stupid. but simple works. Please offend me at will :-)

But on an objective note.
Old mate (don't know/care for his name as I'm busy) he mentions that the LR3/LR4 platform destroy themselves/have unavoidable problems..... well lets be honest; I have upgraded from a D1 to an D3. I spoke to my wife about the differences. With an LR3 I would like to carry a BT IID tool for outback touring. But if you don't then will it leave me stranded?
A 200 LC is also based upon a CANBUS system.
So do JEEP.
Among others.....

The second old mate in the movie (D4 owner) he had HEAPS of spares (2) and still destroyed 4 tyres.

So I question; Is that LR fault, or the owners fault?

Rant over.... standing by for the slaying.

[shanegtr]

The second old mate in the movie (D4 owner) he had HEAPS of spares (2) and still destroyed 4 tyres.

So I question; Is that LR fault, or the owners fault?

Rant over.... standing by for the slaying.
Maybe a bit of both at fault, LR for designing a 4wd vehicle with lower profile tyres rather than higher profile, maybe the owners fault for not having the most suitable tyres for the task and/or poor tyre pressure choice.........[tonguewink]

[veebs]

Maybe a bit of both at fault, LR for designing a 4wd vehicle with lower profile tyres rather than higher profile, maybe the owners fault for not having the most suitable tyres for the task and/or poor tyre pressure choice.........[tonguewink]

I'd say so - we know the lower profile isn't ideal, but from the stories I've red on here and elsewhere, losing 4 tyres is fairly atypical without something else adding to the story.

[trout1105]

I'd say so - we know the lower profile isn't ideal, but from the stories I've red on here and elsewhere, losing 4 tyres is fairly atypical without something else adding to the story.

Nobody would dream of fitting low profile tyres to their off road trailer or caravan for the obvious reasons and in my personal opinion the low profile tyres/wheels that are fitted to the later model discoveries are on there just for their "Looks" and they DO look rather good and work great around town or the city, However in the rough stuff or in the sand/mud they make Zero sense.
As the majority of the newer disco's will never see anything resembling 4WD country these low profile wheels/tyres won't be an issue But the buyers that do want to go off road should have the opportunity to be able to choose a larger profile setup when they purchase their new 4WD and not have to rely on the aftermarket to fill this role.

[Tombie]

I believe they have to, because modern compliance testing forces them to!

Swerve / lane change tests on modern verhicles aren’t grand father claused like the Defender was.. so they need the lower profiles to achieve a pass...

There aren’t many vehicles on higher profile rubber that can pass these tests and it may be a contributor.

[veebs]

I believe they have to, because modern compliance testing forces them to!

Swerve / lane change tests on modern verhicles aren’t grand father claused like the Defender was.. so they need the lower profiles to achieve a pass...

There aren’t many vehicles on higher profile rubber that can pass these tests and it may be a contributor.

Wouldn't the D4 be on the same clause as the D3, with 17" wheel options?

Still, could be worse...
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[trout1105]

I believe they have to, because modern compliance testing forces them to!

Swerve / lane change tests on modern verhicles aren’t grand father claused like the Defender was.. so they need the lower profiles to achieve a pass...

There aren’t many vehicles on higher profile rubber that can pass these tests and it may be a contributor.

I haven't seen any new cruisers or hiluxes being sold with low profile rubber.
If Toyota can supply 4WDs with decent rubber why can't Landrover?
I call BS on the compliance argument, Landrover are spruiking the new D5 up for its off road capability and yet they are limiting that abillity by selling cars with **** rubber on them.

[Milton477]

Realistically though, is 20MM extra sidewall height between an 18' or 19' tyre going to make THAAAT much difference. The footprint length at different pressures is not dissimilar between the 2 sizes so it probably comes down to the choice of tyres available. There are enough vehicles running around on 19's now to justify the tyre manufacturers coming up with some higher profile sizes in the near future.

[trout1105]

Realistically though, is 20MM extra sidewall height between an 18' or 19' tyre going to make THAAAT much difference. The footprint length at different pressures is not dissimilar between the 2 sizes so it probably comes down to the choice of tyres available. There are enough vehicles running around on 19's now to justify the tyre manufacturers coming up with some higher profile sizes in the near future.

It isn't the footprint that is in question, it is more about the available "flex" in the sidewall that makes the difference [thumbsupbig]

[shanegtr]

Wouldn't the D4 be on the same clause as the D3, with 17" wheel options?

Still, could be worse...
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Later D4's with the 3L diesel had bigger brakes and the 17's dont fit.


I haven't seen any new cruisers or hiluxes being sold with low profile rubber.
If Toyota can supply 4WDs with decent rubber why can't Landrover?
I call BS on the compliance argument, Landrover are spruiking the new D5 up for its off road capability and yet they are limiting that abillity by selling cars with **** rubber on them.

I belive the new D5 is capable of running larger diameter tyres than the D4 (the SVX comes with bigger radius tyres than anything I was aware of in the D4 range, and Im sure you could squeeze a little extra from the factory)

[plusnq]

I haven't seen any new cruisers or hiluxes being sold with low profile rubber.
If Toyota can supply 4WDs with decent rubber why can't Landrover?
I call BS on the compliance argument, Landrover are spruiking the new D5 up for its off road capability and yet they are limiting that abillity by selling cars with **** rubber on them.

The new Toyota Hilux 2016 fails moose test - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHbn8-ROiQ)

[veebs]

Later D4's with the 3L diesel had bigger brakes and the 17's dont fit.

All D4s with the 3L engines can't take the smaller diameter wheels, as you say, due to the brake calipers - but this isn't a result of the compliance testing, which was my point. The compliance for the D4 would surely be the same as the D3, considering the largely 'facelift' difference between the models.

[cripesamighty]

Yep, the moose test has been mentioned on here before. Every single Hilux model including the current version, has failed the moose/elk test, along with a bunch of other notable cars. Look up Jeep Grand Cherokee moose test on AULRO for the threads. Very enlightening, but scary too! Ha ha

[rammypluge]

The new Toyota Hilux 2016 fails moose test - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHbn8-ROiQ)It doesnt fail the test because of the tyres.

[cripesamighty]

Definitely. In the 2012/13 model upspecced Grand Cherokees, the suspension and stability control were not modified at all for the licquorice thin tyres fitted, hence the result of 7 tyres blown out of 10 in the test. Took a while to fix that with much backpedalling and obfuscation from Jeep execs, and the inevitable egg on collective faces!

[Bagoo76]

Your opinion is very un-fact [emoji6]
Having worked with Toyota’s for years I can tell you right now that unless it’s a filter, wheel bearing or belt it’s highly unlikely to be in stock at a Toyota dealer / service agent.

We wait weeks for simple parts...


The earth is not round; it’s a bumpy spheroid [emoji6]

No worries, LR parts can be sourced easier that toyota..... dream on 🤣

[BrianElloy]

He’s a twatwaffle of the highest order that bloke.

Absolutely.. LOVES the sound of his own voice.