The Internet - it's complicated

[AndyG]

This is not a NBN bashing session, but rather an observation of the incredible complexity and diversity of the internet, not to mention incredible reliability of man kinds largest creation , or is there something larger.

Have a look at some of these

Global Internet Map (https://www2.telegeography.com/global-internet-map) ( i must buy one)

A map of the entire internet in 1973 has been found in some old university papers - ScienceAlert (https://www.sciencealert.com/old-nasa-papers-have-revealed-a-map-of-the-entire-internet-from-1973) (fascinating)

Map of the Internet on the App Store (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/map-of-the-internet/id605924222'mt=8) for ipad thingy users

The map of the world by internet speed | indy100 (https://www.indy100.com/article/worldwide-broadband-speed-map-study-uk-cable-research-internet-7890736)

Pingdom's Live Map Shows You The State Of The Internet As It Happens (http://royal.pingdom.com/2017/07/25/live-map-the-state-of-the-internet/)

https://news.wisc.edu/internet-atlas-maps-the-physical-internet-to-enhance-security/

I suppose i can say that there is a lot more to internet performance than the last connection in the street.

[Zeros]

Thanks AndyG, The internet is certainly an incredible feat of human endeavour. Communication with each other is absolutely vital to who we are. It's the economy of course that is the driver however. Efficient money making tools outweigh human interaction, with big data and surveilNce also being prime motivators for the growth of internet. It's good to celebrate the ongoing achievement, but also to recognise that the internet is not benign and that the accuracy of data is not necessarily trust worthy.

I'm not sure of the accuracy of some of those maps. The map of world by internet speed has all of Australia at the same speed, which is very odd given the wildly different speeds people are getting even within the same city or suburb, let alone across the continent.

Intriguing that almost all Australias internet traffic comes in and out of Sydney. Can this really be correct? Also I'm not sure that 12,000 outages in a given hour is all that reliable. I suppose as a percentage it might be. It doesn't seem to show how many are out for extended periods.

Mapping the Networks of TV, radio, uhf, power grids, plane flight paths, etc are equally impressive and all contribute to who we are as a species in ways we often don't realise.

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks for posting that up, Andy.
I can see some are going to have their deeply held beliefs challenged.

[Eevo]

Intriguing that almost all Australias internet traffic comes in and out of Sydney. .
most international links terminate at sydney. perth would be the second

[Zeros]

most international links terminate at sydney. perth would be the second

hey Eevo, dumb question, assume that's satellite links? ...All beaming off the big coat hanger lol 😳

[Eevo]

hey Eevo, dumb question, assume that's satellite links? ...All beaming off the big coat hanger lol 😳

no, fiber optic links.

satellite traffic would be under 1% of all data movement.

[Zeros]

no, fiber optic links.

satellite traffic would be under 1% of all data movement.

Wow... noodle nation under the sea?! ...do you know where they go? How long? How many?

[Eevo]

here is a list i prepared earlier

List of international submarine communications cables - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_submarine_communications_cab les)

[Zeros]

👍 Mapped it out for you... love the tin cans and string from Darwin to Hedland!

[p38arover]

Have a look at Cable Data (https://www.iscpc.org/cable-data/)

It certainly has grown since I was involved with the ICPC and submarine cables from the 1990 to 2002.

Eevo is right about satellites. 50 years ago when I started working in sat comms, cables were low capacity analogue, e.g., 80 to 160 voice channels, so satellites were important in increasing international capacity. Today, they probably serve "thin" routes, e.g., ones that don't have a requirement for lots of capacity or are too remote to justify a submarine cable connection.

This was the first submarine cable system I worked on with OTC, COMPAC Cable from Sydney to Vancouver - valve technology. [bigsmile]

80 Channels Under The Sea - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1sfMjTyjPo)

[Old Farang]

This one is still under construction:

Google's next submarine cable will connect Singapore to Australia

The cable will be completed in 2019 and run around half the coast of Australia

Google Indigo subsea internet cable is being laid between Singapore and Australia | WIRED UK (http://www.wired.co.uk/article/google-facebook-plcn-internet-cable)

[AndyG]

I suspect if you filtered out all the Porn, You Tube, Netflix, Facebook puffery etc, about 10% of traffic would be productive/beneficial. Being broadly Business, Personal Banking, News, and Aulro of course, etc etc

[Eevo]

I suspect if you filtered out all the Porn, You Tube, Netflix, Facebook puffery etc, about 10% of traffic would be productive/beneficial. Being broadly Business, Personal Banking, News, and Aulro of course, etc etc


porn is productive. you block porn and watch the world start to burn within a week.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

another world map,,
Submarine Cable Map (https://www.submarinecablemap.com/)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

a porn site was the first paying website in history,,

a few years back it was said (by Steam) that Steam
Welcome to Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/)
accounted for ten percent of all internet data sent,,

it does have some really phat pipes,, all you guys with big download numbers should test it,,

[Saitch]

This is not a NBN bashing session, but rather an observation of the incredible complexity and diversity of the internet, not to mention incredible reliability of man kinds largest creation , or is there something larger.

Have a look at some of these

Global Internet Map (https://www2.telegeography.com/global-internet-map) ( i must buy one)

A map of the entire internet in 1973 has been found in some old university papers - ScienceAlert (https://www.sciencealert.com/old-nasa-papers-have-revealed-a-map-of-the-entire-internet-from-1973) (fascinating)

Map of the Internet on the App Store (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/map-of-the-internet/id605924222'mt=8) for ipad thingy users

The map of the world by internet speed | indy100 (https://www.indy100.com/article/worldwide-broadband-speed-map-study-uk-cable-research-internet-7890736)

Pingdom's Live Map Shows You The State Of The Internet As It Happens (http://royal.pingdom.com/2017/07/25/live-map-the-state-of-the-internet/)

https://news.wisc.edu/internet-atlas-maps-the-physical-internet-to-enhance-security/

I suppose i can say that there is a lot more to internet performance than the last connection in the street.


Not when you are the last connection in the street [bighmmm] as we are. Our neighbours, 2nd last, also have issues.

We have had an ongoing drama with the net for yonks, ombudsman included and still only get service
from, on average, 0500h - 0700h and 1730h to pulling up stumps.

I'm thinking that T are not going to spend their money on us when we are pencilled in for NBN (Wireless) around May next year.