Cull Crocs or educate tourists ?

[trout1105]

Viral video of woman being bitten on leg by crocodile sparks debate on culling (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/viral-video-of-woman-being-bitten-on-leg-by-crocodile-sparks-debate-on-culling/ar-BBFQUVb?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartanntp)

I just read this and watched the clip of these idiots walking the beach/creek edge at night.
Why would you Not educate tourist to the dangers of doing this and simply shooting the crock who was just doing what they do won't solve anything.
Katters comment of "If you educate tourists you won't have any" is ridicules, If people Knew not to do stupid things in crock country then there wouldn't be any bad publicity to start with.

[rangieman]

Viral video of woman being bitten on leg by crocodile sparks debate on culling (https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/viral-video-of-woman-being-bitten-on-leg-by-crocodile-sparks-debate-on-culling/ar-BBFQUVb?li=AAabC8j&ocid=spartanntp)

I just read this and watched the clip of these idiots walking the beach/creek edge at night.
Why would you Not educate tourist to the dangers of doing this and simply shooting the crock who was just doing what they do won't solve anything.
Katters comment of "If you educate tourists you won't have any" is ridicules, If people Knew not to do stupid things in crock country then there wouldn't be any bad publicity to start with.
Educating tourists has not worked in the past and will not work in the future :bat:
Hell even some local`s get taken so education is lost on the minority :wallbash:
The answer is let nature take care of those that dont listen or read [wink11]

[Ancient Mariner]

Bob Nutter full of crap as usual

AM

[Homestar]

Exactly - they aren’t hard to live with, just stay out of their habitat. Shouldn’t be culling them, let them carry out Darwin’s work - survival of the fittest all the way, we need to do more of it.

[SSmith]

Exactly - they aren’t hard to live with, just stay out of their habitat. Shouldn’t be culling them, let them carry out Darwin’s work - survival of the fittest all the way, we need to do more of it.Educate the crocs and cull the tourists?

[weeds]

How did we educate tourists.......so that it actually sinks in.

Either way with the popularity of destinations crocs probably need to be managed, best method I’m not sure........however I’m on the fence whether it’s the right or wrong approach.

[Ean Austral]

Culling should be done for the right reasons - not because humans get attacked in a crocs domain . I was silly enough to get attacked by a croc because I was spear fishing in its domain and it was doing what it needed to get a feed.

Crocs are bred very successful in captivity so if it's to control crocs that move into populated areas and can't be relocated then I see no issue with that, but to be used as trophy shooting for people's pleasure or fun should never happen.

just my 2c worth

Cheers Ean

[Wraithe]

Dont do anything... Its taken a long time to get the tourists up there to keep the crocs fed, why interfere with nature....

[smilebigeye]

[Zeros]

Cull tourists LOL

[AndyG]

If the crocs dont get them, they will probably get run over crossing the road with headphones plugged in and texting.

The Darwin selection process working

[PhilipA]

I have always thought that "locals" who become blasé about crocs are the main victims.

Borroloola - A child was taken by a croc that had been fed fish frames.

Cahills Crossing- great video of a croc sneaking up on a woman and dog who then claps a thong and it retreats.

There was an incident at falls in Litchfield a few weeks back where a tourist was bitten but obviously the ranger did not know it was there as the falls were open for swimming.

Looking at the video I reckon the croc was after the fish swimming around the girl's feet , as why otherwise were they there if not running from the croc. It just got a bit confused as a small croc like that would never take on a human.

Regards Philip A

[Ean Austral]

Of course if you are a croc attack survivor then all the rules change , you can kill the bastard in self defence and make belts , boots , whatever you see fit . And you can keep the head as a trophy.

Cheers Ean

[Tins]

I have only ever seen one croc. It was 30 years ago, it was in an animal park somewhere not far from Brisbane, it was the size of a bus, it was in the reception area, it was stuffed and it is the reason I have only ever seen one. Anyone who chooses to go into THAT things habitat is either a professional or an idiot.

Culling crocs is like culling sharks. It is a knee jerk reaction, and it can never work. It is just some bureaucratic desire to be seen "doing something". I'm surprised that the PM isn't involved.

Also, let's face it, the bloody tourists go up there hoping to see a croc; it's big business. It is up to them, not the croc, how close they see 'em. Melbourne is close enough for me, where salties are concerned.

So; IMO, no culling. Crocs belong here. Tourists need to take their chances. Or, do we completely sanitise the planet to make humans safe? Then, obviously, we must cull Al Gore's sacred Polar Bear, which is a well known eater of humans. Chimpanzees are well known for taking human infants to eat, so let's cull them.

I could go on for hours with this, as there are so many species that threaten humans. Sure, not all those threatened are tourists in FNQ, so perhaps their lives don't matter. Or, perhaps, the simplest way to fix this problem of nature would be to cull humans.

You first.

[trout1105]

There are more sharks and other "Nasties" in the city than you will ever find in the bush and nobody thinks that Culling those creeps is a good idea So why murder something that hunts and feeds in the bush that causes far less death and destruction?

[Tins]

There are more sharks and other "Nasties" in the city than you will ever find in the bush and nobody thinks that Culling those creeps is a good idea So why murder something that hunts and feeds in the bush that causes far less death and destruction?

Indeed, trout, but the bleeding hearts won't let that happen. One person gets taken by a croc, in an area where crocs are known to be and it's "kill the crocs!!", and yet 300+ can get gunned down in a Mosque and it's complete silence. Perhaps that is 'natural selection' for you.

[trout1105]

Indeed, trout, but the bleeding hearts won't let that happen. One person gets taken by a croc, in an area where crocs are known to be and it's "kill the crocs!!", and yet 300+ can get gunned down in a Mosque and it's complete silence. Perhaps that is 'natural selection' for you.

Maybe we could send these sort of people to go play with the crocks a win win situation [thumbsupbig]

[Tins]

Maybe we could send these sort of people to go play with the crocks a win win situation [thumbsupbig]

Braver man than me, trout.

[Wraithe]

In some places in the North of West Aust, the numbers are getting above what is classed as the previous normal before whites... In those situations a bit of control would help... But if someone got eaten while being an idiot and getting within range, there problem...Just like sharks, you swim in there environment you take the risk...

I'm with you Johntins, Sharks, crocs, they all have big teeth... Thats probably why I would not go hunting in Africa, all the nasties are over there...

As a point, A friend of mine loves his diving. He got bitten one day when I was meant to visit him in the arvo.. He was hobbling, asked what happened, "A small shark gave me a love bite", I asked hows the shark, "I forgot to give him a injection, but I think he will get over the taste of humans"..

My friend had been bitten a 5 or 6 times since he was a kid, always said, its their world, if they bite you, too bad... Recons one day it will be a big bite and his body will put back to the fish what he has taken to eat...

[cripesamighty]

Back in 1990 when I was doing my open water dive certificate, just before jumping in the water on our first ocean dive, the instructor said "welcome to the food chain". Kind of put everything into perspective I reckon!

[Bearman]

I have always thought that "locals" who become blasé about crocs are the main victims.

Borroloola - A child was taken by a croc that had been fed fish frames.

Cahills Crossing- great video of a croc sneaking up on a woman and dog who then claps a thong and it retreats.

There was an incident at falls in Litchfield a few weeks back where a tourist was bitten but obviously the ranger did not know it was there as the falls were open for swimming.

Looking at the video I reckon the croc was after the fish swimming around the girl's feet , as why otherwise were they there if not running from the croc. It just got a bit confused as a small croc like that would never take on a human.

Regards Philip A

That's exactly what it looke like to me too. It was after those popeye mullet and probably got dazzled in the light.

[discorevy]

Cahills Crossing- great video of a croc sneaking up on a woman and dog who then claps a thong and it retreats.

Regards Philip A

That must be one clever canine.[biggrin]

[tc_s1]

BBC piece on Cahill's Crossing. I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Cahills Crossing: Why do so many ignore deadly warnings? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-44409151

[trout1105]

I have been to Cahill's crossing many times and i have fished the river by boat and i have seen some incredibly stupid things being done there.
People either get blasé about crocks or they have absolutely no idea how dangerous they can be.
I have warned people to stay out of the water or not to get too close to the water at times and they have just looked at me as if I was stupid and have totally ignored me.
It used to **** me off because on many an occasion they had their kids with them.

[rangieman]

Seem`s the local`s are as temporary as the terrorist`s:soapbox:

https://youtu.be/9b5SDP7yHTA

[V8Ian]

Crocs taste like crap, I haven't tried tourist yet.

[trog]

THey all taste like chicken

[DiscoMick]

Croc kebabs are tasty.

[donh54]

Americans are too fatty, make good soup bones, though!

[EastFreo]

Probably won’t be shared by others but I personally see no reason why we can’t have a sustainable croc culling industry.

Clearly they are breeding prolifically. Make a licenced industry out of it, generate some jobs, make some unique shoes, boots, belts etc and reduce chance of croc attacks.

[donh54]

Probably won’t be shared by others but I personally see no reason why we can’t have a sustainable croc culling industry.

Clearly they are breeding prolifically. Make a licenced industry out of it, generate some jobs, make some unique shoes, boots, belts etc and reduce chance of croc attacks.I tend to agree with you, but the jobs would end up offshore.
There is, of course, a big misunderstanding by the people currently in charge of croc management though. If you relocate a large male, all you do is create space for another large male.
A big male croc will have an area of around 1-2 klms of riverbank, where his females live. He patrols that area, seeing off any rivals. Pull him out, and the next rival moves in, until a bigger one pushes him out.
People have successfully co-existed with crocs for millennia. It is only our belief that we can control nature that prevents us from doing the same as preceeding societies have done.
Predators commonly take the slow and/or stupid prey out of the gene pool. This is a good thing for all of us. Unfortunately we are captive to the shock/horror news media that must keep us terrified, to keep us under control. Therefore, we let Big Brother look after us and keep us "safe" by promising to eliminate the fears they created in the first place.
End rant. [biggrin]

[trout1105]

If you shoot enough of the big Crocks there won't be enough of them left to take over the territory of the one you have just shot [thumbsupbig]
Adult males reach sexual maturity at 3.3m and females at 2.1m so if a minimum size was set at 3.5m it would allow the crocks to still breed to keep their numbers up but it would remove the larger more dangerous animals.

[bob10]

Cull the big ones. Otherwise you will have them chasing the younger males further south. Already been some croc sightings in the river downstream of Maryborough. Here's something I posted on Walrus earlier.

Cahill's Crossing: Fascinating but frustrating work of managing crocs at notorious Kakadu waterway - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-27/gary-lindner-cahills-crossing-crocodile-manager-kakadu/9786650?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=%5blocradio_sfmc_05_06_18_darwin_df_! n1%5d%3a125&user_id=c17365ab07572ed90614d245ada5ad675f6bc00189 fa766123c70d76d1d7cddf&WT.tsrc=email&WT.mc_id=Email%7c%5blocradio_sfmc_05_06_18_darwin_ df_!n1%5d%7c125&utm_content=http%3a%2f%2fwww.abc.net.au%2fnews%2f2 018-05-27%2fgary-lindner-cahills-crossing-crocodile-manager-kakadu%2f9786650)

[bob10]

And here is something else posted on Walrus, which shows why you do not fish off the crossing. see how the croc disappears off the edge of the crossing completely.

Massive crocodile stops traffic to cross road (https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/animals/massive-croc-stops-traffic-to-cross-road/vi-AAxEgim?ocid=spartandhp)

[bob10]

Do they need to be culled? check out over 50 crocs sunbaking on the edge of the Daly River.

Crocodiles caught sunbaking on NT beach (https://www.msn.com/en-au/video/watch/crocodiles-caught-sunbaking/vi-AAyF8Aa?ocid=spartandhp)

[67hardtop]

Few handbags and boots there

[trog]

Easier to cull tourists. A few land sharks on Bondi beach will net more kills than weeks out in the rivers. Then retire to the pub for a few coldies. Besides only get a bit of skin and meat from a croc . Tourists have cash and credit cards.