Towing a trailer on "H" plates.

[mick88]

This might be of interest to some.
I see Vicroads now have available "Trailer Exempt" number plates for vehicles on the CPS.

Cheers, Mick.

[Mick_Marsh]

Thanks for the heads up Mick.

[mick88]

Thanks for the heads up Mick.

Funnily enough I found on the Vicroads web site that they were available, so I phoned them up to purchase one.
The chick I got on the phone said that they weren't available, however I said according to your web site they are.
She consulted her supervisor who also said they were not available, however when they checked the web site they
were very surprised and consequently took my order for one.

Cheers, Mick.

[Bigbjorn]

OK, I will ask the silly question. What does trailer exempt mean. and what are H plates. Are these more silly Victorianisms from VicRoads?.

[Mick_Marsh]

OK, I will ask the silly question. What does trailer exempt mean. and what are H plates. Are these more silly Victorianisms from VicRoads?.

Here in Victoria, trailers meeting certain requirements are exempt from registration. This will save $58.10 a year.
You can buy a plate with the same registration as the towing vehicle for attaching to the trailer.

H plates are the plates for a historic vehicle on a club permit.

[Homestar]

Yep, if your trailer is narrower than the towing vehicle, less than 3 metre long overall and has a GTM of 750KG or less, no rego is required on it in Vic -basically a standard 6x4 trailer.

Also fruit bin trailers, silos, harvester combs, etc don’t need reg but we’re referring to 6x4’s here.

[mick88]

OK, I will ask the silly question. What does trailer exempt mean. and what are H plates. Are these more silly Victorianisms from VicRoads?.

And it's a good "Victorianism" too!
However as Gav has stated there are restrictions on the size and use.
The trailer also must weigh no more than 200kg. empty, cannot be used for trade purposes, and it not allowed to have any cargo that exceeds outside of the trailer.
You can either write with chalk or paint the towing vehicles number plate on the trailer and it has to be visible from twenty metres away, or alternatively purchase a
"Trailer Exempt" number plate from Vicroads for a one off cost ($33). Until recently they did not make/provide these Trailer Exempt plates to match the Club Permit
System number plates.

Cheers, Mick.

[gromit]

Funnily enough I found on the Vicroads web site that they were available, so I phoned them up to purchase one.
The chick I got on the phone said that they weren't available, however I said according to your web site they are.
She consulted her supervisor who also said they were not available, however when they checked the web site they
were very surprised and consequently took my order for one.
.

Why don't VicRoads staff look out the windows in the morning ?
If they did they wouldn't have anything to do in the afternoon.


Don't you just love dealing with them............




Colin

[Homestar]

Not the first time I’ve had to show VicRoads their own website...

Had to do this when registering a motorbike from a deceased estate - had all the correct paperwork, but they wanted a signed document from the Son (executor of the estate). I showed them their own list from the website which only showed all the usual stuff plus a signed copy of the death certificate and they said ‘ok’.

It’s knowing how to play the game. If you know what is needed up front, you’re usually ok. Most people I see that cock it up, don’t have the correct paperwork or are trying to dodge something. It’s always interesting to listen in on what other people are up to at the counter while waiting. 😉

[p38arover]

OK, I will ask the silly question. What does trailer exempt mean. and what are H plates. Are these more silly Victorianisms from VicRoads?.

Oi! I was gunna ask that question! [bigsmile]

[Homestar]

Oi! I was gunna ask that question! [bigsmile]

You snooze, you lose...

[Bigbjorn]

Oi! I was gunna ask that question! [bigsmile]

The only good thing to ever come out of Victoria other than the Hume Highway. Sounds like a bright idea not normally associated with a hidebound moribund bureaucracy like Vicroads.

Someone probably worked out it was costing more to record and collect the miserable $58 than the Dept was collecting. I have always said this was the reason that Road Maintenance Contributions were cancelled about 1980.

[Bigbjorn]

Does anyone remember when South Aust. registered prime movers would tow any trailer by chalking the prime movers rego. number on the back of trailer. Caused a lot of SA truckies to be stopped and questioned by interstate coppers who were not aware of this quaint custom.

[Mick_Marsh]

Oooh! Look!

NSW have "H" plates as well.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/223.jpg

[Homestar]

The only good thing to ever come out of Victoria other than the Hume Highway. Sounds like a bright idea not normally associated with a hidebound moribund bureaucracy like Vicroads.

Someone probably worked out it was costing more to record and collect the miserable $58 than the Dept was collecting. I have always said this was the reason that Road Maintenance Contributions were cancelled about 1980.

You really seem to hate VicRoads, they must have done something to really **** you off at some point in the past. [biggrin]

[Bigbjorn]

You really seem to hate VicRoads, they must have done something to really **** you off at some point in the past. [biggrin]

I drove and owned line haul trucks. Not so much **** me off but ****ed me and many many others around. In my opinion Vic. was the worst state for harassment, petty enforcement of mindless useless regulation and so on. I go back to the days when you couldn't cross the border with a heavy truck on the Sabbath lest the sight of such a fearsome vehicle terrify the good Christians on their way to worship. Country Roads Board officers should have been declared outside the protection of law to be shot on sight.

[donh54]

I drove and owned line haul trucks. Not so much **** me off but ****ed me and many many others around. In my opinion Vic. was the worst state for harassment, petty enforcement of mindless useless regulation and so on. I go back to the days when you couldn't cross the border with a heavy truck on the Sabbath lest the sight of such a fearsome vehicle terrify the good Christians on their way to worship. Country Roads Board officers should have been declared outside the protection of law to be shot on sight.
40mph speed limits for trucks, the lines marked across the highways so they could time you from an aeroplane - aaah the good old days. .. Not!

[V8Ian]

I drove and owned line haul trucks. Not so much **** me off but ****ed me and many many others around. In my opinion Vic. was the worst state for harassment, petty enforcement of mindless useless regulation and so on. I go back to the days when you couldn't cross the border with a heavy truck on the Sabbath lest the sight of such a fearsome vehicle terrify the good Christians on their way to worship. Country Roads Board officers should have been declared outside the protection of law to be shot on sight.
There was a way round that, tie a crate of chooks on top of the load. [biggrin]

[Bigbjorn]

There was a way round that, tie a crate of chooks on top of the load. [biggrin]

Or have "Royal Mail" decals on the doors. Go straight through weighing stations. Betty's mail had to go through. You only had to be carrying one letter.

[V8Ian]

Par avon? [bigwhistle]

[bee utey]

Par avon? [bigwhistle]

Par Avion? Avon do smells. [biggrin]

[V8Ian]

Par Avion? Avon do smells. [biggrin]
:oops2: It's been a decade or three and it wasn't called LOTE then.

[cuppabillytea]

Oi! I was gunna ask that question! [bigsmile]
So was I.
I think it's only fair, that whatever the Victorians get we should get as well.............................................. ..........................except perhaps for the weather.

[cuppabillytea]

Oooh! Look!

NSW have "H" plates as well.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/223.jpg

A State that forgets it's History is doomed to repeat it.

[mick88]

This arrived in the mail yesterday.

I was expecting it to be maroon given it's linked to the Historic vehicle plate.

Cheers, Mick.

[Bigbjorn]

So was I.
I think it's only fair, that whatever the Victorians get we should get as well.............................................. ..........................except perhaps for the weather.

I lived in Melbourne for one winter. Never again.

Not just the weather either. Tasteless Carlton beer ( my second father-in-law referred to Carlton products a "surfside sex"). The total obsession with Kick and giggle football.

[donh54]

I spent a year in Melbourne just last week

[Mick_Marsh]

I lived in Melbourne for one winter. Never again.

Not just the weather either. Tasteless Carlton beer ( my second father-in-law referred to Carlton products a "surfside sex"). The total obsession with Kick and giggle football.

BUT WE DO HAVE THE BEST TRAILER REGISTRATION SCHEME AND THE BEST CLUB PERMIT SCHEME. BETTER REGISTRATION SCHEMES THAN QUEENSLAND.

[AndyG]

I love living in Queensland, it's just like living in Victoria 30 years ago [thumbsupbig]
Except more rain, and the curtains fade in summer [bigwhistle]

[Homestar]

I lived in Melbourne for one winter. Never again.

Not just the weather either. Tasteless Carlton beer ( my second father-in-law referred to Carlton products a "surfside sex"). The total obsession with Kick and giggle football.

Amen to that! It’s the thing that ****s me off the most about this town.

Regarding the beer, all pubs I’ve been into here in the last 20 sell a lot more that Carlton... thankfully...

[grey_ghost]

I’m no AFL fan either but hey, that’s what the remote is for... [emoji6]
Plenty of other great things about Vic... [emoji3][emoji1303]

[Bigbjorn]

Amen to that! It’s the thing that ****s me off the most about this town.

Regarding the beer, all pubs I’ve been into here in the last 20 sell a lot more that Carlton... thankfully...

When I lived there the vast majority of pubs only had Carlton on tap. Later, after I left that job, I had another which required me to fly there regularly to visit our distributors and keep them up to scratch. There was then a brief flirtation with Courage which didn't last long. A pity, because I tried some of their stuff. They had some good products much better than the Carlton swill.

It is going the other way here and in much of Sydney. Once in the days of tied houses, pubs sold the product of their brewery owner. When the brewers sold off their pubs to stay afloat following bad business decisions and takeovers, we then commonly had pubs selling several brands. Now we find pubs that are selling only Carlton because Carlton are buying the business by kicking back so much per litre to get the tap rights. This indicates to me as an old marketing manager that the stuff is grossly overpriced if the brewer can afford to kick back $1 per litre to get the pourage rights. Quite a few pubs and many small bars are selling only "craft beers" which are all to my mind grossly overpriced. Undersize glasses at over size prices usually in twee little yuppy bars with dim lights and carpet. Most craft beers taste peculiar to me.

I reckoned rural Victoria, particularly Gippsland and the high country and to a lesser extent in the small towns in the sheep shagger country, had
more hillbillies and rednecks than West Virginia and Tennessee. A friend defines confusion as Father's Day in Gippsland.

I do like the free rego for small trailers. Only good idea I can think of that came out of Vicroads. I have no regard for concessional, club, special interest rego. schemes. Never had a vehicle registered on one and I had plenty over 50 years that could have been. I liked to drive my cars whenever I felt like it so I had full registration. I believe these schemes serve no useful purpose other than giving discounted registration to a privileged minority. Let's face it. If you have a collector, classic, vintage, or veteran vehicle, many of which are worth a squillion or you have spent many thousands maintaining and/or restoring said vehicle then surely you can afford to register it.

[grey_ghost]

Sorry mate - I couldn’t disagree with you more.

[Homestar]

When I lived there the vast majority of pubs only had Carlton on tap. Later, after I left that job, I had another which required me to fly there regularly to visit our distributors and keep them up to scratch. There was then a brief flirtation with Courage which didn't last long. A pity, because I tried some of their stuff. They had some good products much better than the Carlton swill.

It is going the other way here and in much of Sydney. Once in the days of tied houses, pubs sold the product of their brewery owner. When the brewers sold off their pubs to stay afloat following bad business decisions and takeovers, we then commonly had pubs selling several brands. Now we find pubs that are selling only Carlton because Carlton are buying the business by kicking back so much per litre to get the tap rights. This indicates to me as an old marketing manager that the stuff is grossly overpriced if the brewer can afford to kick back $1 per litre to get the pourage rights. Quite a few pubs and many small bars are selling only "craft beers" which are all to my mind grossly overpriced. Undersize glasses at over size prices usually in twee little yuppy bars with dim lights and carpet. Most craft beers taste peculiar to me.

I reckoned rural Victoria, particularly Gippsland and the high country and to a lesser extent in the small towns in the sheep shagger country, had
more hillbillies and rednecks than West Virginia and Tennessee. A friend defines confusion as Father's Day in Gippsland.

I do like the free rego for small trailers. Only good idea I can think of that came out of Vicroads. I have no regard for concessional, club, special interest rego. schemes. Never had a vehicle registered on one and I had plenty over 50 years that could have been. I liked to drive my cars whenever I felt like it so I had full registration. I believe these schemes serve no useful purpose other than giving discounted registration to a privileged minority. Let's face it. If you have a collector, classic, vintage, or veteran vehicle, many of which are worth a squillion or you have spent many thousands maintaining and/or restoring said vehicle then surely you can afford to register it.

Well I was going along with you for a start there, but that last paragraph is the biggest load of bollocks I’ve seen written on this forum and that’s saying something.

The whole idea of club reg - in every state - makes keeping older vehicles easier for the masses not the privileged minority - you’re completely backwards and wrong there - must be something in the Queensland water up there...

I drive my classic vehicles whenever I like too - I can drive them every weekend and not run out of club reg, you obviously have way more money than me - I’m not rich or privileged which is why I use and need club reg

Go back and talk to the pixies on your TV - you’ll get the conversation you’re looking for from them. If you don’t talk to pixies, then you’re trolling which is a breach of forum rules so which is it - breaking the rules or off with the fairies? - there isn’t another alternative.

[DoubleChevron]

I don't understand the point of this polate.... What is it about. If the trailer under 200kgs ... and about 6 x 4 in size. It doesn't need registration. You just stick the rego number on it. If its being towed by a club permit vehcile, stick the club permit cars numberplate on it!

so where and how does this plate come into it ? I often just make the number on trailers with thick wide masking tape.

seeya,
Shane L.

[mick88]

When I lived there the vast majority of pubs only had Carlton on tap. Later, after I left that job, I had another which required me to fly there regularly to visit our distributors and keep them up to scratch. There was then a brief flirtation with Courage which didn't last long. A pity, because I tried some of their stuff. They had some good products much better than the Carlton swill.

It is going the other way here and in much of Sydney. Once in the days of tied houses, pubs sold the product of their brewery owner. When the brewers sold off their pubs to stay afloat following bad business decisions and takeovers, we then commonly had pubs selling several brands. Now we find pubs that are selling only Carlton because Carlton are buying the business by kicking back so much per litre to get the tap rights. This indicates to me as an old marketing manager that the stuff is grossly overpriced if the brewer can afford to kick back $1 per litre to get the pourage rights. Quite a few pubs and many small bars are selling only "craft beers" which are all to my mind grossly overpriced. Undersize glasses at over size prices usually in twee little yuppy bars with dim lights and carpet. Most craft beers taste peculiar to me.

I reckoned rural Victoria, particularly Gippsland and the high country and to a lesser extent in the small towns in the sheep shagger country, had
more hillbillies and rednecks than West Virginia and Tennessee. A friend defines confusion as Father's Day in Gippsland.

I do like the free rego for small trailers. Only good idea I can think of that came out of Vicroads. I have no regard for concessional, club, special interest rego. schemes. Never had a vehicle registered on one and I had plenty over 50 years that could have been. I liked to drive my cars whenever I felt like it so I had full registration. I believe these schemes serve no useful purpose other than giving discounted registration to a privileged minority. Let's face it. If you have a collector, classic, vintage, or veteran vehicle, many of which are worth a squillion or you have spent many thousands maintaining and/or restoring said vehicle then surely you can afford to register it.


The "schemes" as you refer to them are not a discounted registration for a privileged minority, but available to anyone and everyone who wants to take up the opportunity of joining a club and enjoying owning an older vehicle or vehicles, and driving them on a limited use permit. The CPS generates a lot of spending and gets dollars circulating.......enthusiasts buy parts, get mechanical work done, paint jobs, trips, fuel, accommodation, wine, beer, meals.


Cheers, Mick.

[DoubleChevron]

Well I was going along with you for a start there, but that last paragraph is the biggest load of bollocks I’ve seen written on this forum and that’s saying something.

The whole idea of club reg - in every state - makes keeping older vehicles easier for the masses not the privileged minority - you’re completely backwards and wrong there - must be something in the Queensland water up there...

I drive my classic vehicles whenever I like too - I can drive them every weekend and not run out of club reg, you obviously have way more money than me - I’m not rich or privileged which is why I use and need club reg

Go back and talk to the pixies on your TV - you’ll get the conversation you’re looking for from them. If you don’t talk to pixies, then you’re trolling which is a breach of forum rules so which is it - breaking the rules or off with the fairies? - there isn’t another alternative.

Brisbane probably doesn't have a logbook scheme. It may be light that old hopeless victorian scheme where you needed "special permission" to drive your car anywhere other than a club event. I had cars on that, and it was bloody hopeless.

The Victorian scheme is now absolutely brilliant.... fantastic.... bloody unreal. I hope its never changed!

seeya
Shane L.

[350RRC]

The "schemes" as you refer to them are not a discounted registration for a privileged minority, but available to anyone and everyone who wants to take up the opportunity of joining a club and enjoying owning an older vehicle or vehicles, and driving them on a limited use permit. The CPS generates a lot of spending and gets dollars circulating.......enthusiasts buy parts, get mechanical work done, paint jobs, trips, fuel, accommodation, wine, beer, meals.


Cheers, Mick.

Brilliantly said Mick.

This whole issue would have been analysed by gov consultants (know some) who can attach an ecomomic value to all the pro's and cons and who have worked out that this is a good thing going forward on all levels, even international.

cheers, DL