Crump & Cornish

[grey_ghost]

Hi All,

I've finally started work on my C&C trailer - and I need some help...

I managed to remove the drum (thanks to Homestar) and as expected, I don't have any shoes:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/473.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22xV12m)IMG_2007 (https://flic.kr/p/22xV12m) by Grey Ghost (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156172026@N07/), on Flickr

Q: Can somebody please provide me with a photo of how the shoes are fitted? And how the handbrake is fitted?

Q: Can somebody please tell me where I can purchase the shoes from? (What model number, etc?)

I have been told that the shoes are the same as a Series vehicle - however I test fitted some shoes from a Series II LWB and a Seres 2A LWB - and they don't look like they fit to me...

I've started to clean-up the backing plate. I also started to clean up the wheel nuts..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/12/474.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Eti4Dw)IMG_2009 (https://flic.kr/p/Eti4Dw) by Grey Ghost (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156172026@N07/), on Flickr

I would love to get this trailer on the road...

I will try over in REMLR - but so far I haven't had much luck... :(

Cheers,
GG.

[Mick_Marsh]

No. you won't get much luck. I need to get the innards for my BAE Systems trailer.

I've been meaning to take my backing plates down to a brake place to get them to work it out.

I'll post up a bit more info later. And pics.

[JayBoRover]

Hmmm. Maybe I'll take the Xmas break chance to take the wheels off mine and have a look?? Might prod me to finish painting the rear light housings and refit/rewire them.

[JayBoRover]

Did either/both of you guys get your trailer brake shoes sorted? I've just finished one side of mine and about to start the other side (in a drive to get the trailer licensed). I fitted a new hydraulic ring hitch to the draw bar and ran new brake lines, cleaned up the slave cylinder, sand blasted and painted the drum backing plate and drum itself and reassembled - just have to do Sama again.

If you still need photo's or measurements of the drum internals, please let me know and I'll get some while I've got the thing apart.

Cheers

[grey_ghost]

Hi JayBoRover,
To date I have failed miserably.. I believe that the master cylinder is a PBR unit, but I have been unable to source shoes or slave clyinders. I bumped into another C&C owner in Corowa (a military show) and he confessed that.... He had no brakes installed.
My current thoughts are to try and find a trailer builder or repairer, and fit some kind of disc brake system instead. A bit frustrating tbh.
Cheers,
GG

[grey_ghost]

PS - I now have a Perentie to go with the 101, so 2 vehicles to tow the trailer that I can’t use! [emoji26]

[grey_ghost]

PPS - I asked on REMLR for some help and was pointed towards some American brakes off an old ford, they are available (very expensive) but looked like they would beed modification - I didn’t want to spend big $ and risk wasting money without 100% assurance the parts would work.

[Mick_Marsh]

I have spent a motsa so far and I'm still not convinced they are the right parts.
Yep. Same part number as in the RPS but I don't see how they interact with the adjusters and there is still no method of attaching the hand brake. These are the brakes for my BAE Systems trailer. They use the same chassis as the Crump & Cornish.
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Interestingly, My Crump & Cornish has different brakes.
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Yes, John, photos of your brakes would be very helpful. Please post some up.

[gromit]

I have been told that the shoes are the same as a Series vehicle - however I test fitted some shoes from a Series II LWB and a Seres 2A LWB - and they don't look like they fit to me...




Looks 'similar' to SWB Series brake but not the same.
Can't quite see in the picture but are there individual pins for the trailing end of the shoes to pivot on ? Series only uses pin (shared by both shoes) and (on a Series I) only one adjuster.
What diameter is the brake drum ?

Series I front.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/04/467.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/J7Fm8d)DSCF2571 (https://flic.kr/p/J7Fm8d) by Colin Radley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152321353@N07/), on Flickr

I can try the brake supplier I use, a long shot but worth a try.

[Mick_Marsh]

Series are 10". C&C are 12".

Yep. Tried that avenue.

[JayBoRover]

I have spent a motsa so far and I'm still not convinced they are the right parts.
Yep. Same part number as in the RPS but I don't see how they interact with the adjusters and there is still no method of attaching the hand brake. These are the brakes for my BAE Systems trailer. They use the same chassis as the Crump & Cornish.
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Interestingly, My Crump & Cornish has different brakes.
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Yes, John, photos of your brakes would be very helpful. Please post some up.
I have the photo's on my phone ... now just have to figure out how to get them on here since I bailed out of Photobucket when they wanted their financial bucket filled to host photo's. The brakes on my trailer look to be the same as the ones on your BAE Systems trailer Mick. Certainly has the two locating pivot pins at the bottom and the top spring hooks to each brake shoe through a hole in each (as opposed to going to a pin on the backing plate like some drums I've seen). Might get some time tomorrow to work out the (free) photo hosting issue.
Cheers

[Homestar]

I have the photo's on my phone ... now just have to figure out how to get them on here since I bailed out of Photobucket when they wanted their financial bucket filled to host photo's. The brakes on my trailer look to be the same as the ones on your BAE Systems trailer Mick. Certainly has the two locating pivot pins at the bottom and the top spring hooks to each brake shoe through a hole in each (as opposed to going to a pin on the backing plate like some drums I've seen). Might get some time tomorrow to work out the (free) photo hosting issue.
Cheers

Flickr works very well.

[LuckyLes]

Would a set of 12" caravan brakes work. You can buy backing plates complete with drums, shoes, whole kit and caboodle from trailer parts suppliers for next to nothing.
Good luck
LuckyLes

[Mick_Marsh]

Would a set of 12" caravan brakes work. You can buy backing plates complete with drums, shoes, whole kit and caboodle from trailer parts suppliers for next to nothing.
Good luck
LuckyLes
You got a link?

[grey_ghost]

Mick - how about this site? (It's Australian which is a bonus):

http://www.alko.com.au/vehicle-technology-catalogue/electric-drum-brakes/

[grey_ghost]

Click on Electric Brake Drums

Scroll down - Part 417120
12" x 2"
Land Rover 4 x 6.5" PCD

or

417130
12" x 2"
Range Rover / Land Rover Defender
5 x 6.5" (5/8" Wheel Studs)

???

[Mick_Marsh]

Click on Electric Brake Drums

Scroll down - Part 417120
12" x 2"
Land Rover 4 x 6.5" PCD

or

417130
12" x 2"
Range Rover / Land Rover Defender
5 x 6.5" (5/8" Wheel Studs)

???
They're just the drums

I'll have a closed look at the backing plates tonight. Are you ok with going electric?
Me, I'm after hydraulic.

[Homestar]

Yeah, I wouldn’t go with electric units. I doubt you’d get a drum to fit the existing stub axles to be honest - the C&C has huge stubs. The drums for standard trailers like this aren’t like what’s on your trailers - the drum runs the bearings in it, it doesn’t fit over an existing hub like you need. You’ll be better off looking at vehicle brakes not trailer brakes.

[LuckyLes]

The Alko site shouild give you what you need, but it will depend on how original you want to keep it. If you want it as a user, rather than a showpiece, then i would think that you would be best to go to a marine type disc brake, as on a boat trailer if you are doing water crossings, other wise a 12" electric caravan drum brake would give you the better brakes. Either way you will need to do some mods.
Good luck
LuckyLes

[Mick_Marsh]

The Alko site shouild give you what you need, but it will depend on how original you want to keep it. If you want it as a user, rather than a showpiece, then i would think that you would be best to go to a marine type disc brake, as on a boat trailer if you are doing water crossings, other wise a 12" electric caravan drum brake would give you the better brakes. Either way you will need to do some mods.
Good luck
LuckyLes
Yes. I have seen conversions done on C&C trailers.
To do as you suggest, the axle will need to be replaced. That's how I got my spare axle.

I'm thinking, a better way to convert would be to just replace the backing plate, cylinders and shoes. The difficult thing is to find a suitable bolt on replacement with a handbrake.

[Mick_Marsh]

A little further information.
2" shoe width.

After first measurements, the mounting pattern for the backing plate is:
108mm dia. hole over the stub axle.
10mm bolt holes at 4x127mm PCD