My new D3 is great. Except for the engine.

[kreecha]

What I love about my 2006 D3 HSE of which I have driven less than 7,000km in;
The mirrors tilting down when I select reverse.
The rear (kids) AC.
AIR SUSPENSION!!!!!!
Position on the road.
Effortless power for a big rig.
Good size individual seats.
Room in the third row for two kids and a fridge.
Great fuel economy.
3.5T tow capacity.
The Land Rover wave
All the airbags.
The storage areas everywhere.
Dual AC.
Easy to drive.

What I don't like about it;
I was driving along the Cunningham Hwy the other night overtaking a truck powering up a hill, and I got a vibration. I thought it was a flat tyre it shock the car so violently. Anyway, pulled over, and pretty sure my TDV6 is now a TDV5. Bad sounds, and a knocking coming from the rear cylinder on passenger side. [bigsad]

I hope you all have a Merry Christmas and your festive season is far more pleasant and much less expensive the mine!

[Tins]

What I love about my 2006 D3 HSE of which I have driven less than 7,000km in;
The mirrors tilting down when I select reverse.
The rear (kids) AC.
AIR SUSPENSION!!!!!!
Position on the road.
Effortless power for a big rig.
Good size individual seats.
Room in the third row for two kids and a fridge.
Great fuel economy.
3.5T tow capacity.
The Land Rover wave
All the airbags.
The storage areas everywhere.
Dual AC.
Easy to drive.

What I don't like about it;
I was driving along the Cunningham Hwy the other night overtaking a truck powering up a hill, and I got a vibration. I thought it was a flat tyre it shock the car so violently. Anyway, pulled over, and pretty sure my TDV6 is now a TDV5. Bad sounds, and a knocking coming from the rear cylinder on passenger side. [bigsad]

I hope you all have a Merry Christmas and your festive season is far more pleasant and much less expensive the mine!

Darn. Hope it isn't as bad as you think.

[kreecha]

Darn. Hope it isn't as bad as you think.

Thanks Johntins, but with not a single registered alarm/fault/idiot light in the car, I expect mechanical failure :(

[Tins]

Thanks Johntins, but with not a single registered alarm/fault/idiot light in the car, I expect mechanical failure :(

Feeling for you. Hoping it isn't the dreaded crank failure. Many threads here on that.....

[kreecha]

Feeling for you. Hoping it isn't the dreaded crank failure. Many threads here on that.....

Initial (roadside) diagnostics...... #6 may have a hole in it.
In fact I'd put $$$ on it. Pun intended [bigsad]

[Tins]

Initial (roadside) diagnostics...... #6 may have a hole in it.
In fact I'd put $$$ on it. Pun intended [bigsad]

Time to look for broken Territories then....:dbcry:

[kreecha]

Time to look for broken Territories then....:dbcry:

I have to research this. I know the territory engine fits a Euro4 D3.
I have a 2005 build, 2006 plated model, so I (think I) have a Euro3, and I have to find out if a territory engine will fit a Euro3 D3.

[Tins]

I have to research this. I know the territory engine fits a Euro4 D3.
I have a 2005 build, 2006 plated model, so I (think I) have a Euro3, and I have to find out if a territory engine will fit a Euro3 D3.

I'm reasonably sure it has been discussed on here before. Use the search function, bottom left hand of the page. The Territory option would seem to be the cheapest way out, provided it fits your car.

Hope it works out for you.

[Tombie]

Search for a thread by Winaje

[kreecha]

Search for a thread by Winaje

This is one I have locked away in my own D3 info sheet. Can't find the reference to the 05-06 TDV6 though. I'll keep looking. What I am looking for, and I am yet to find is the difference in the block/crank/turbo/manifolds/cooling system between 05/06 and 07+ engines which make the engines non-compatible.
Territory engine into D3, A Comprehensive Guide (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/231168-territory-engine-into-d3-comprehensive-guide.html)

Cheers Big T

[Aussie Jeepster]

There is also Triumph Rover spares in Adelaide, but won't be cheap :<((((

[Tins]

There is also Triumph Rover spares in Adelaide, but won't be cheap :<((((

TDV6 LONG ENGINE - Specials - Triumph Rover Spares South Australia (http://www.triumphroverspares.com.au/page.asp?parentid=38&productid=1519)

[kreecha]

There is also Triumph Rover spares in Adelaide, but won't be cheap :<((((

I read on here that they have fit a 3.0 inplace of the 2.7 but that is about $14-15k drive-in/drive-out.

[scarry]

I read on here that they have fit a 3.0 inplace of the 2.7 but that is about $14-15k drive-in/drive-out.

I would stick with the 2.7 any day.Big job to fit a 3.0l,for not a lot of gain,but a few extra issues.

If you want a few more KW,a power upgrade is the go for the 2.7.

[kreecha]

I would stick with the 2.7 any day.Big job to fit a 3.0l,for not a lot of gain,but a few extra issues.

If you want a few more KW,a power upgrade is the go for the 2.7.

Agreed. No intent, just passing info [bigsmile1]

Also just doing some research
difference between eu3 and eu4 tdv6 (https://www.google.com.au/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=difference+between+eu3+and+eu4+tdv6&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=uEVAWvrlNZLr8wfrkqLoCQ)
DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - Difference between EU3 & EU4 D3's (https://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/difference-eu3-eu4-d3s-137105.html)
Another blown engine :( Euro3 TDV6 Options? (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l319-discovery-3-and-4-a/235802-another-blown-engine-euro3-tdv6-options-2.html)

[kreecha]

If you want a few more KW,a power upgrade is the go for the 2.7.

Scarry, I had also thought about this prior to last post but didn't mention it at the time.
I'm thinking if the engine come out a raised intercooler will go in, might as well do silicon hoses, and even look at HPC on the exhaust manifolds and x-over.

Good thing is raised intercooler will also allow fitting of discreet winch mount behind my non-winch ARB bar.

[DazzaTD5]

I wouldnt even bother with a new factory crate engine such as the one listed on triumph rover spares, its going to cost what round prolly $10K plus install and thats without high pressure pump and injectors.

I'm onto my third 2.7lt Ford Territory engine in customers D3s, (two with as low as 30K on the clock) as I say "Tow in, drive out" $8K

*Use Land Rover engine harness (prolly the most fiddly part of job) and a pity as the Ford harness is better made.
*Use Land Rover flexplate (as the Ford one has a spacer and is smaller, "ZF auto" in territory is actually not a ZF but a Ford copy).
*Use Land Rover: front timing cover, front idler bearing assembly and viscous fan, intake, out from turbo, power steering pump (as ford has an electric pump), Y piece intake, sump (from cast alloy down), sump oil temp sensor, engine mounts.


*recommend removing sensor on sump before engine removal, its prone to hitting front diff and breaking (on two occasions now, dont ask me how I know)
*one small metal pipe needs to be bent slightly to line up with rubber hose, i think its crankcase vent from memory.

*Use territory fuel system, doesnt matter year, use the shining new high pressure pump and injectors that came with the territory engine.
*(once engine is installed) you need to bleed the fuel system correctly using the bleed valve on top of engine, if not its unlikely to start. This may be the reason for others incorrectly saying the injectors and high pressure pump are not compatible with the Land Rover.
*Territory engine doesnt use knock sensors, some Land Rover engines do and some dont, if your old engine does, then remove them and fit to territory engine.
*Use territory vacuum pump as its the same as a D4
*Dont forget to fit a new timing belt at the same time.

At the end of the job once its up and running, you wont even know you did a swap....the lion engine seems to sound the same (and pulls the same) regardless if new, 30K or high mileage, or territory sourced.

Regards
Daz

[kreecha]

Today's information and feedback
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/103.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/104.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/105.jpg

Now trying to track down a secondhand injector. It's surprisingly difficult.
Doing the ring around Oz to find an injector for a 5A chassis.
eBay UK is looking positive

Plan is to get the injector and fitting kit for replacement. Oil test is being done today. I should have results by next week.
Also need to do;
Bore/cylinder inspection
Compression test
Oil change if all good.

If this is just a dodgy injector it's an amazing bunch of symptoms and a tough engine.

[specwarop]

Is that the output from an IIDTool? If so, does it have that much detail for the V6 petrol?

[kreecha]

Is that the output from an IIDTool? If so, does it have that much detail for the V6 petrol?

Yes this is for an IIDTool. I can't answer your question sorry.

[kreecha]

The only quote I got today for an injector was for a new injector.
$1085.... [bigsad]

[kreecha]

Can anyone provide a document/reference/evidence that the injectors can/can't be swapped between cylinders?
Simply I am asking; are the injectors built to be installed in a single cylinder? Or can any injector go in any cylinder? ( Just like all the detriots, CATs, MTUs, LR's and Toyotas I am familiar with?)

[kreecha]

As I slowly piece this journey together I found more info on Disco3.

134382

Ever since I've owned the Disco, it has always 'hunted' for 5-6secs at start up.
From what I am finding out, if I replace the one dodgy injector with a new injector, the other (223k km old) injectors may then 'read high' (info from Disco3 is that the high reading injectors are the dodgy injectors). So at the moment I am concluding that I am best off putting in a second-hand 'worn-in' injector.

[Ean Austral]

As a matter of interest - did you price the injectors from a Territory engine ? From what I read a few posts back it seems the injectors are usable.


Cheers Ean

[kreecha]

As a matter of interest - did you price the injectors from a Territory engine ? From what I read a few posts back it seems the injectors are usable.


Cheers Ean

Ean that's the plan, but it'll likely involve some trial and error. Because I'm paying for this repair and not doing it myself I'm not willing to do R&D at this time.

My investigations have revealed that the difference between the EU3/EU4 is the EU4 engines (post '07 LR's and territory's) have a higher fuel pressure then the EU3's.

I am currently finding it very difficult to procure EU3 injectors. EU4 injectors are far more common.

Therefore; I'd nurse this engine through for a few years and then put the EU4 engine in if the EU3 computers will allow the higher fuel pressure.

All that said; let's just wait until after compression test and bore inspection. The current defect has put in an uncontrolled maximum fuel amount in a high load demand situation. I hope the piston is well [emoji15]

[kreecha]

From what I am finding out, if I replace the one dodgy injector with a new injector, the other (223k km old) injectors may then 'read high' (info from Disco3 is that the high reading injectors are the dodgy injectors). So at the moment I am concluding that I am best off putting in a second-hand 'worn-in' injector.

Contrary to the above,
2x brand new injectors,
3x fitting kits,
(And 2x park brake shoes)

All ordered this morning including freight to QLD for under $1000.00

I'll keep you updated

[kreecha]

Oil Sample doesn't read well..... [bigsad]

134934

134935

Still waiting on injectors from UK

[kreecha]

*Use territory fuel system, doesnt matter year, use the shining new high pressure pump and injectors that came with the territory engine.

Regards
Daz

Just to double check;
The territory fuel system will work with a 5A chassis/ EU3 D3?

[101RRS]

Oil Sample doesn't read well..... [bigsad]

134934

134935

Still waiting on injectors from UK

What does it mean?

[donh54]

The high levels of iron and aluminium are pointing to a lot of wear going on in the engine.
The note about checking viscosity is a concern. Modern engines are often very fussy on oil types/weights. With no other info, my first thought would be that,at some stage, the incorrect grade/type of oil has been used, causing accelerated wear in the engine. Of course,that is just an opinion, based on the limited information available.

[shanegtr]

Oil Sample doesn't read well..... [bigsad]

134934

134935

Still waiting on injectors from UK

Iron levels are only around 20ppm more than what I see from normal use(my normal levels range from 39-50), however the PQ index indicates larger particles of ferrous material are present so thats not a good thing. If your using a *w-30 oil then the viscosity is about right but theres a little more fuel dilution compared to what I see in my engine - typically 1% or under. The silicon levels are around double what I see in my engine so combined with the Aluminum theres a possibility of dirt ingress, but I'd say the Aluminum content is more than likely bearing wear at those levels.

[kreecha]

Injector tip doesn't seem so badhttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/01/719.jpg

Chugging has stopped with new injector
Still knocking. I have to find out how long the ECU takes to 'learn' the new injector.

[NavyDiver]

A new or old engine I can vouch for and a lot of other parts should be cheap (https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-salvage/item/-/details/CP-04-05--Land-Rover--Discovery--Wagon/2252465707) [bawl]

I did not get my long range tank or rear wheel carrier off, fairly new gear box, Front control arms needed repair. This is not my car any more. Almost all pannels are hail damaged and possibly not much good for parts. Might go and see the price as I need a new D3 bull bar and did not get that off before they took my baby away[bigwhistle]

[Silver Surfer]

Hi there. Sorry I am coming in very late on this one. Haven’t been here for a long time. I can’t believe there is still conjecture about Territory engines. I installed a 2012 terry into an 05 Disco 2 years ago and documented it. The only thing different was the injector pump which incidentally is also the same pump on a 2012 d3. That’s it. I’ve done 120000km. No issues. Used full long engine turbo everything.

Just don’t get me started on transmissions!!!!

[kreecha]

As you may now be able to tell, there's no great rush to have the D3 fixed. We are quite blessed in this regard otherwise I'd be paying a lot more than I am.

Anyway, after playing around with injectors and such, it has been determined that it is likely the bottom end where the problem lay. As such, will be getting the final word today, and then I'll be looking for a territory engine.

[loanrangie]

As you may now be able to tell, there's no great rush to have the D3 fixed. We are quite blessed in this regard otherwise I'd be paying a lot more than I am.

Anyway, after playing around with injectors and such, it has been determined that it is likely the bottom end where the problem lay. As such, will be getting the final word today, and then I'll be looking for a territory engine.

Is it possible to just replace the bearings if that is the issue ?

[rangieman]

Is it possible to just replace the bearings if that is the issue ?
More than likely if the bearings are gone there will be crank damage sorry to say [wink11]
So pointless just to change bearings .

[loanrangie]

Not always Chris.

[kreecha]

I agree with both of you.
But I’m not in a position to do the labour myself at this time.
Sooooo in this position/predicament;
Pay $4k for an engine plus the cost to swap and know all is (comparatively) well, or;
Pay labour to have someone inspect the bearings. If the bearings are good then maybe I get away with a $2k bill. If the bearings are no good then I’m another... $1500 down the gurgler and I still have to buy the $4k engine.

So it comes down to preferences and gut-feelings.

And I’m not feeling lucky. So if I get another engine bolted in I know I’m good for another 150k Kim’s? Haha that said; the next one might only last 6,000kms also [emoji20]

If I get another engine now I’ll have this buggered engine to play with. I’d like to look at a few things on these engines.

Pie-in-the-sky type dreaming, I’d be really happy if I could help out people in this situation in the future. It’s fairly crazy that you can now buy a D3 for $13k, and to replace the engine will cost the same. [emoji15][emoji17]

Gee I can get carried away.....

[rangieman]

Not always Chris.
Shall we flip a coin a double sided one id use [wink11]

[kreecha]

Anything else you'd get replaced if doing an engine swap?



WATER OUTLET, DISCO TDV6
RADIATOR, D3, SPORT TDV6,
PULLEY, IDLER, R/R & D3, TDV6
TIMING BELT KIT,
TIMING BELT KIT, FRONT, TDV6, DAYCO
AIR, OIL, FUEL FILTER
REBUILT 58-3 TORQUE CONVERTER,
ALTERNATOR, DISCO 3, TDV6, DENSO
STARTER MOTOR, DISCO 3, TDV6, SPORT
HOSE, MATRIX, DISCO 3



Please excuse caps, it's cut and paste from another source.

Also thinking about getting one of these.....
Discovery 3 Tdv6 off road intercooler - AlliSport (https://www.allisport.com/shop/performance-products/intercoolers/allisport-discovery-3-tdv6-off-road-intercooler-kit/)
The fitting of the intercooler is mostly so I can fit a winch under it. And I might as well get someone to do it whilst they are doing all the other work.

Cheers,
Adam

[101RRS]

Dont forget fuel injection pump belt etc - and serpentine belt kit/tensioner and idler pulleys.

[loanrangie]

Dont forget fuel injection pump belt etc - and serpentine belt kit/tensioner and idler pulleys.

Items 3 & 4 Garry.

[kreecha]

Dont forget fuel injection pump belt etc - and serpentine belt kit/tensioner and idler pulleys.

Agreed mate,
This is covered.
Cheers :-)