Local Guy with mental health issues gets arrested today.

[Roverlord off road spares]

We have this guy that seems to have moved into our suburb over the last 2 tears, 1st time I saw him he was dressed in fishnet stockings and a wig and was standing on a street corner, I thought a hooker had moved in. Then other days he dresses in a tank top and very tight shorts and walks with a strut even in the middle of winter. I have been real close to him at shops and other places and other locals tell me he is dangerous.
We call nicknamed him Strutter in the neighborhood because of his strange chest out walk .
It appears he used to be a kick boxer and has mental health issues. I have driven in the area only to find him wandering on the road in front of traffic, you can't pass until he decides to cross onto the foot path which could be 20 -50 meters.

A few months ago he was got hit by the Belgrave train, rumour was he got bashed and some how ended up on the train line. Today he was dressed as a woman and was reported to have a firearm in the food court in Knox city shopping centre, a video appeared on You tube of his arrest. I feel sorry that this guy has a problem obviously mentally and is in need of serious help. I was told he has been in jail before, but he probably needs to be hospitalised. The end of the video shows a poilce offrer removing the wig and this guy is obviously in some sort of state looking at his face and shaking.



https://www.facebook.com/urbandesiaustralia/videos/1799458250087438/

[Tombie]

That individual is beyond help...

If it was any other species we would have him humanely put down.

(Furnace Jacket On)

[rangieman]

Hopefully he will receive the correct help this time but i doubt it:bat:

[Tombie]

Hopefully he will receive the correct help this time but i doubt it:bat:

In that condition permanently incarcerated at a MHF is all he would likely be suitable for. (Based on the video and comments)..

[SPROVER]

That's a bit scary to tell you the truth.. my missus and my 11 month old daughter were there today.

[Roverlord off road spares]

That's a bit scary to tell you the truth.. my missus and my 11 month old daughter were there today.

Hi Chris he lives in Tecoma and we do see him dress up and sometimes walking around with his guitar. He really needs help. Looking at the clip it looked like a false gun.
You can see it when the police woman walks across and put it on the table. If it was real she wouldn't put it down on the table. Heather

[Bytemrk]

Yeh I've seen him in Knox before... sad really.

I walk past that coffee shop at least once or twice every day [bighmmm]

[SPROVER]

Hi Chris he lives in Tecoma and we do see him dress up and sometimes walking around with his guitar. He really needs help. Looking at the clip it looked like a false gun.
You can see it when the police woman walks across and put it on the table. If it was real she wouldn't put it down on the table. HeatherFunny thing is my brother lives in Olinda and i remember him talking about a bloke... or ummm whatever it is walking around Belgrave. Clearly it needs some serious mental health help!

[fitzy]

He’s aggressive and out for attention, some will think he has rights and can be saved, he scares my kids and is stealing the air up here.

[loanrangie]

We have a bloke that I see daily walking around barefoot in any weather that obviously has mental health issues, seems harmless and he must live nearby so assume someone is looking out for him.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Funny thing is my brother lives in Olinda and i remember him talking about a bloke... or ummm whatever it is walking around Belgrave. Clearly it needs some serious mental health help!

Yes he does get around on public transport as well as walking every where.

[fitzy]

Should we look after the individual or the community?
When I was 20 years old if you asked me I would have said the individual, now closing in on 50 , the community.
And I was quite passionate about politics and the right s of the individual.

[Eevo]

havnt seen muppet in a few days... coincidence?

[mick88]

In that condition permanently incarcerated at a MHF is all he would likely be suitable for. (Based on the video and comments)..

MHF...A "Government" back in 90's sold them off, as they were on prime real-estate.
Regulations now prevent anyone being permanently housed in a MHF, I think 28 days is the max.
A lot live in society and when they get out of control this is one of the scenario's that often occurs.

Cheers, Mick.

[POD]

Should we look after the individual or the community?
When I was 20 years old if you asked me I would have said the individual, now closing in on 50 , the community.
And I was quite passionate about politics and the right s of the individual.

From a Canadian friend of mine: If you're not a lefty in your twenties, you've got no heart. If you're still a lefty in your forties, you've got no brain.

[rangieman]

havnt seen muppet in a few days... coincidence?
Or concerned [bigwhistle]

[Bytemrk]

havnt seen muppet in a few days... coincidence?

Maybe he is just trying to avoid you [wink11][wink11] [biggrin]

[trog]

From a Canadian friend of mine: If you're not a lefty in your twenties, you've got no heart. If you're still a lefty in your forties, you've got no brain.

So if Cdn lefty and over 50 ?

[bob10]

How on earth did it get to that. Was he under the umbrella of the Vic. mental health , or whatever name they go under. Unbelievable.

[bob10]

So if Cdn lefty and over 50 ?

No hope.

[Roverlord off road spares]

I have passed him in the street, stood next to him in a supermarket queue, even had him sit near me in the locsl pathology waiting room, it was awkward, I wanted to say good day when he looked a me, but couldn't bring myself to it.

[trog]

No hope.

Life achieved then

[bob10]

Life achieved then

My life took a definite up turn when my expectations reached rock bottom.

[cuppabillytea]

I had an Aunt who was mentally ill. She resided in the Loony Bin from age 16 until she died at age 62. I loved her and her friends were great fun, if a little scary. Now that institution is an Art School. Not much changes.
MHFs are depressing places, just as prisons are but I think they are appropriate for those for whom treatment is insufficient.
I hate to think that my Aunty and her friends could have been put down.

[rangieman]

I had an Aunt who was mentally ill. She resided in the Loony Bin from age 16 until she died at age 62. I loved her and her friends were great fun, if a little scary. Now that institution is an Art School. Not much changes.
MHFs are depressing places, just as prisons are but I think they are appropriate for those for whom treatment is insufficient.
I hate to think that my Aunty and her friends could have been put down.

Im no tree hugging gay vegan but everyone and everything has a right to live with in reason[thumbsupbig]
I dont have a answer how to deal with the problem but i could only assume life would not be comfortable in a MHF but idont agree on putting them down either.
I feel the crux of the matter is the political financial gains and savings of not having the exspense of these facilities .

[Roverlord off road spares]

Im no tree hugging gay vegan but everyone and everything has a right to live with in reason[thumbsupbig]
I dont have a answer how to deal with the problem but i could only assume life would not be comfortable in a MHF but idont agree on putting them down either.
I feel the crux of the matter is the political financial gains and savings of not having the exspense of these facilities .

I'm glad you feel that way, as you know I have mental health issues, I would hate to think there are people so insensitive out that they think the solution is Nazi Germany put down every one that has issues. I feel sorry for this guy in some way, something in his life had made him that way. I know I wasn't born with my problem, it is a result of something during my life. As I said I heard he used to be a kick boxer, Kick boxers some I have met have some degree of brain damage. Sadly Not every one out there can build a bridge.

[Roverlord off road spares]

We have a bloke that I see daily walking around barefoot in any weather that obviously has mental health issues, seems harmless and he must live nearby so assume someone is looking out for him.

I see another bloke in Ferntree gully that has long white hair looks like he's been marooned on a desert island and wears sandells, Blue tight 'Warrick Capper' style shorts and a woollen jumper every day of the year. Come cold winter or hot summer I see him regularly and he wears the same clothes every day.. unless he has a supply of the same outfit. seems odd, maybe it's a fashion statement

[Tombie]

I’ll clarify my statement:

Plenty of people have issues.. The majority can manage with treatment, counselling, behavioural conditioning, medication etc....

Some, are in such a state they can’t look after themselves and need support... full time care...

And then,
There are the Rabid dogs, the dangerous ones, those that snap and suddenly innocent people are dead...Those that run around threatening the public.. the ones that hurt and maim and threaten others in hospitals and institutions.

Those ones should be humanely put down.



It is humans that can see the whole logic in the animal kingdom but can’t see the parallels in human society.

[rick130]

The problem is that funding for mental health is woefully inadequate in this country, and it doesn't look like it will get better anytime soon.

rant/
When you have people in politics who's heads are so far up their own arses with their attitude of "I'm ok Jack, bugger you, you deal with your own ****", or worse, "it's not real, it's all in your head" (pun intended) but the reality is they are some of the most in need of counselling/psycho analysis as they usually display a plethora of habits and behaviours I could lift straight out of the DSM.
I'm lumping domestic violence in here too, woefully underfunded and often ignored due to IMO intrinsic misogyny.
Lots of hand wringing when a TV camera is pointed in their direction, but not enough done.
/rant

[Roverlord off road spares]

All I'll counter that with is - How did Mackay come to have such a huge drug problem?

You can look at any headline and accuse that state of having issues that others don't but it's only those that bury thier heads in the sand that think this...

Based on your posts I'm assuming you think that Queensland has zero mentally unstable potentially dangerous people walking around in the comminuity? 😆😆😆

Just crime related statistics from the ABS a a couple of years out of date. Drugs seem to be the major contributer of crimes
I couldn't find any more recent data

KEY FINDINGS


The number of offenders proceeded against by police in Australia during 2015–16 increased for the fourth consecutive year to total 422,067 offenders, an increase of 1% (or 5,016 offenders) from 2014–15.
However, after adjusting for population growth, there was little change in the national offender rate with 2,023 offenders per 100,000 persons aged 10 years and over, compared to an offender rate of 2,027 in 2014–15.
Since the beginning of the time series in 2008–09 the number of offenders has increased by 12% (or 46,474 offenders). Over the same period the offender rate increased by less than 1% (from 2,006 to 2,023 offenders per 100,000 persons aged 10 years and over).



OFFENDER NUMBERS INCREASED IN ALMOST ALL STATES AND TERRITORIES


Victoria was the only state or territory in which the number of offenders decreased between 2014–15 and 2015–16, with a decrease of 3,163 offenders (or 4%).



Over the same period the number of offenders increased in:


New South Wales (by 3,905 offenders or 3%)
South Australia (by 2,254 offenders or 5%)
Western Australia (by 1,322 or 3%)
Northern Territory (by 279 offenders or 2%)
Queensland (by 245 offenders or 0.2%)
Australian Capital Territory (by 125 offenders or 5%)
Tasmania (by 49 offenders or 0.5%)






New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria accounted for the majority of offenders proceeded against by police in 2015–16:


New South Wales 30% (128,397 offenders)
Queensland 24% (100,539 offenders)
Victoria 18% (77,770 offenders)



ILLICIT DRUG OFFENCES WAS THE MOST COMMON PRINCIPAL OFFENCE
In 2015–16 the most common principal offence nationally was Illicit drug offences (20% or 83,160 offenders).
The number of offenders with a principal offence of Illicit drug offences has increased by 48% since the start of the time series in 2008–09 when there were 56,304 recorded offenders.
The principal offence of the majority of offenders in this division (67% in 2015–16) was Possess and/or use illicit drugs.
Persons aged 20–24 years had the highest offender rate by age group for Illicit drug offences with 1,066 offenders per 100,000 persons.

[V8Ian]

All I'll counter that with is - How did Mackay come to have such a huge drug problem?


All the bloody Victorians who came up to make a quick buck in the mines. :tease:

[cuppabillytea]

This thread about a nut has gone nuts 🤡

[trog]

There was a girl in our driveway this morning having some serious issues , in what appeared to be a three way conversation in her head. About the same time a neighbor from a public housing unit wandered by with his usual yelling and gesturing. Always very well dressed and often carrying his brief case.

[martnH]

I worked on some patient data for dementia before

Majority of the medication prescribed for these patients are sedatives and sleeping pills

[DiscoMick]

That's what results when mental health centres, where the staff make sure people take their bi- polar medications, are closed down and people put out in the community, where they feel OK, so stop taking their medications and drift off into unreality. The people who know about this mental health stuff have repeatedly and correctly predicted what would happen, but were ignored by those who thought saving money was top priority.

[Bearman]

Please keep the thread on track without personal attacks. I have had to delete a couple of posts. Remember everyone is entitled to their opinion without criticism.

[bob10]

Please keep the thread on track without personal attacks. I have had to delete a couple of posts. Remember everyone is entitled to their opinion without criticism.

So, bearman , as a moderator, do you condone bully boy tactics? Can members push on the edge, purely to force a response, without responsibility of their actions. Now tell me where in the AULRO DNA can a opinion , however radical, and wrong, not have criticism. This is not Nazi Germany. And that is a criticism. Unlike some, I will make a complaint in the open. Not behind some ones back. Always the same suspects.

[bee utey]

Please keep the thread on track without personal attacks. I have had to delete a couple of posts. Remember everyone is entitled to their opinion without criticism.

I suggest you remove the baiting comments too, they lower the tone of the place.

[pop058]

So, bearman , as a moderator, do you condone bully boy tactics? Can members push on the edge, purely to force a response, without responsibility of their actions. Now tell me where in the AULRO DNA can a opinion , however radical, and wrong, not have criticism. This is not Nazi Germany. And that is a criticism. Unlike some, I will make a complaint in the open. Not behind some ones back. Always the same suspects.

For starters, no one is condoning any "tactics" or doing anything behind your back, so sorry no conspiracy theories here. It was simply asked for personal attacks to be kept out of the conversation.

Having cheap shots (whether they be deliberate or otherwise) at Victoria could be perceived (particularly by Victorians) as "pushing on the edge" trying "to force a response".

So, once again keep the personal attacks out of the conversation.

[RANDLOVER]

A lot of the time the police don't charge them as they are considered "mad" not "bad".

[Ean Austral]

It was me that reported the posts, they are not in the spirit of the forum , and I will continue to report posts of the same nature no matter who they are from and what state or territory you are in.

I had logged off from the moderating section so I didn't do the editing one of the other mods did.

No conspiracy , no favouritism ,no backstabbing , just sick of seeing things get personal in threads when there is no need or place for it .

If you have any issues with me reporting the posts feel free to let me know.

Now back to the topic....

Cheers Ean

[Roverlord off road spares]

A lot of the time the police don't charge them as they are considered "mad" not "bad".
He /She could have been Mad and dead if he/she pulled the fake gun out and pointed it and an officer pulled out his gun and fired, especially these days with terrorism on peoples minds.

[rangieman]

For starters, no one is condoning any "tactics" or doing anything behind your back, so sorry no conspiracy theories here. It was simply asked for personal attacks to be kept out of the conversation.

Having cheap shots (whether they be deliberate or otherwise) at Victoria could be perceived (particularly by Victorians) as "pushing on the edge" trying "to force a response".

So, once again keep the personal attacks out of the conversation.
As a Victorian i was not offended by such remarks and never would be [bigrolf].
But the name calling was over the top and would not worry or offend me but i understand others can be precious about it.

[incisor]

So, bearman , as a moderator, do you condone bully boy tactics? Can members push on the edge, purely to force a response, without responsibility of their actions. Now tell me where in the AULRO DNA can a opinion , however radical, and wrong, not have criticism. This is not Nazi Germany. And that is a criticism. Unlike some, I will make a complaint in the open. Not behind some ones back. Always the same suspects.

bob

just so everything is out in the open as you call it...

this place has rules, they are clearly laid out and you have to accept them before you enter the fray

it has them for a reason and they apply to everyone, including me

you need to follow the rules, or you will get holiday reward points and when you get enough of them, you get the holiday.

to be frank, i get more complaints about you bullying / confronting people than just about any one thats ever been here, i kid you not

taking pot shots at the people that volunteer their time and efforts to enforce the conditions of access to this place does your cause little good.

you have been given a much longer rope than most for reasons i won't go into here.

please take heed bob, that rope is fleeting through your finger tips as we speak.

end of conversation, your future here is in your own hands, please consider your position very carefully.

there will be no more exceptions to the rule.

[Roverlord off road spares]

So let's get back on topic please, then every one can be happy little vegemites like we all are.😋

[bob10]

bob

just so everything is out in the open as you call it...

this place has rules, they are clearly laid out and you have to accept them before you enter the fray

it has them for a reason and they apply to everyone, including me

you need to follow the rules, or you will get holiday reward points and when you get enough of them, you get the holiday.

to be frank, i get more complaints about you bullying / confronting people than just about any one thats ever been here, i kid you not

taking pot shots at the people that volunteer their time and efforts to enforce the conditions of access to this place does your cause little good.

you have been given a much longer rope than most for reasons i won't go into here.

please take heed bob, that rope is fleeting through your finger tips as we speak.

end of conversation, your future here is in your own hands, please consider your position very carefully.

there will be no more exceptions to the rule.

Well put, point taken EDIT. And apologies for those I offended.

[DiscoMick]

A lot of the time the police don't charge them as they are considered "mad" not "bad".

That's right. However, sometimes the police do charge people and ask the magistrate to order psychiatric assessment as it can be the only way to force the authorities to take a person into care who everyone knows needs to be in care, but there aren't enough funded places to cope with all those who actually need to be in care, so they are left to wander about getting progressively more deluded until they do something which forces the authorities to act.
It is widespread knowledge that mental health is underfunded, but it's easier to ignore the problem. For example, I read that the third-highest cause of deaths in Australia is mental health issues related to drug abuse, but the funding is insufficient for the need, so people decline until they suicide. Then the authorities say how terrible it is, but it's actually the result of their neglect of the root causes.

[Roverlord off road spares]

Today driving through Upwey shopping strip, I noticed he is back out on the streets , he has his electric guitar with with, but no amp or electricity. , I have seen him pay it like an air Guitar.. Today he is a male.
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