The Me 262, WW2

[bob10]

https://germanwarmachine.com/weapons-technology/aircraft/messerschmitt-me262

[101RRS]

Why just post a link - why not add your thoughts - value add to the posts.

The 262 would have to have been the best aircraft to come out of WW2 - fortunately for the Allies was too late and Hitler saw it more as a fighter bomber rather than a fighter which again was to our advantage.

Too little too late for the Axis side.

[Pickles2]

I have a copy of Adolf Galland's book "The First & The Last". He visited Aussie whilst working for an aerospace company in the late sixties, so I had him sign it for me at that time.
Pickles.

[p38arover]

There was one in the Aust War Memorial in Canberra back in the 70s. Dunno if it is still there. I'll dig out the slide I took back then.

Edit: it seems it may be there still: Australian War Memorial: Messerschmitt Me 262 “Black X” – Aces Flying High (https://acesflyinghigh.wordpress.com/2016/04/30/australian-war-memorial-messerschmitt-me-262-black-x/)

[goingbush]

Now that Ive finished my EV Lightweight I don't have a project.

Im getting back into RC , always wanted to build a twin jet , cant decide between A10 or Me262

something to aim for

https://youtu.be/ctCSFifj8Is

[JDNSW]

Why just post a link - why not add your thoughts - value add to the posts.

The 262 would have to have been the best aircraft to come out of WW2 - fortunately for the Allies was too late and Hitler saw it more as a fighter bomber rather than a fighter which again was to our advantage.

Too little too late for the Axis side.

Depends how you define "best". It was probably the most capable fighter aircraft in dogfighting ability - but had very short range, and also a very short engine life (and there were good reasons for making it a twin - firstly to get enough power, secondly to have a chance of saving the aircraft in the case of the inevitable engine failure.

Other candidates for "best" I would consider would include P-51, Mosquito, B-24, FW-190, maybe Lancaster, and the one that had most influence on subsequent aircraft development, probably the B-29, because of its structural innovations. Other notable WW2 aircraft that were developed before the war but shone during the war, would have to include Spitfire, Bf-109, PBY, Hurricane, C-47, Ju-52, Sunderland.

Probably a lot left out!

[p38arover]

Was the Me262 better than the Meteor?

[bob10]

Was the Me262 better than the Meteor?

We may never know. the Meteor was not pressed into service, because of engine problems. The Meteor was certainly not better than the Migs in the first Korean War. I'll have a look around, see if your question can be answered.

[bob10]

Why just post a link - why not add your thoughts - value add to the posts.

The 262 would have to have been the best aircraft to come out of WW2 - fortunately for the Allies was too late and Hitler saw it more as a fighter bomber rather than a fighter which again was to our advantage.

Too little too late for the Axis side.

Because , mate I only post the facts. I don't embellish my thoughts by posting bull****. If members reply to my posts, I will do my best to reply. With facts.

EDIT. with respect, all you have written was covered in the link. No need to repeat the facts, to make myself seem as though I'm a guru.

[bob10]

Was the Me262 better than the Meteor?



The Meteor in RAAF service in the Korean War, or , Please give me a jet with swept back wings.

Meteor Operations in Korea (http://www.koreanwaronline.com/history/oz/77/MK8OPS.htm)

[JDNSW]

It seems difficult to find comparisons between the Me262 and the Meteor. As far as i can see, performance was comparable, but the 262 was only in service for about a year, where the metror was in service for about ten, so towards the end of this service it would have been much more reliable, and possibly performing better. Both aircraft would have to be described as rushed wartime efforts - nobody had built jet fighters before.

Both were clearly inferior to the next generation of fighters, such as the Vampire, and completely outclassed by the first real clean sheet design jet fighters such as F-86 and MIG-15.

[Jojo]

The Me262 was arguably the most advanced airplane of WWII. Pity it had such a short service life. A few years ago, some Americans built a few examples after the original drawings, although without armament and using modern instruments and engines:
The Me262 project (http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html)
You can even buy one:
Me262 for sale (http://www.stormbirds.com/common/_forsale.htm)
All these airplanes are approved by Messerschmitt and have been assigned official production numbers.

[Fourgearsticks]

Interesting fact with Oz Meteors (seeing they have been discussed) in Korea, the pilot loss rate was higher than Battle of Britton Pilots. Meteor pilot losses 1 in four, BB pilot losses 1 in 5.

[Pickles2]

The Me262 was arguably the most advanced airplane of WWII. Pity it had such a short service life. A few years ago, some Americans built a few examples after the original drawings, although without armament and using modern instruments and engines:
The Me262 project (http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html)
You can even buy one:
Me262 for sale (http://www.stormbirds.com/common/_forsale.htm)
All these airplanes are approved by Messerschmitt and have been assigned official production numbers.
Unreal!!
Pickles.

[JDNSW]

Interesting fact with Oz Meteors (seeing they have been discussed) in Korea, the pilot loss rate was higher than Battle of Britton Pilots. Meteor pilot losses 1 in four, BB pilot losses 1 in 5.

Battle of Britain was over friendly territory (from the British side) - Korea was mostly over enemy territory. This is likely more important than aircraft type, although by and large in the B of B British pilots were flying superior combat aircraft, but in Korea, the Meteor was no match for the MIG - 15.

[Fourgearsticks]

Most Meteor flying in Korea was ground attack, lots of ground fire.

[bob10]

Meteor operations at Kimpo

Meteor Operations in Korea (http://www.koreanwaronline.com/history/oz/77/MK8OPS.htm#sweepback) China joins the war, first fight 8 meteors VS 30 migs

First Mig kill

Meteor Operations in Korea (http://www.koreanwaronline.com/history/oz/77/MK8OPS.htm#mig) kill 12 meteors VS 50 migs.

All I want for Xmas is my wings swept back. Interesting to note the RAAF developed a napalm rocket, first of its kind, to fire from the meteor, ground attack'

Meteor Operations in Korea (http://www.koreanwaronline.com/history/oz/77/MK8OPS.htm#sweepback)

[cripesamighty]

A good place to get an unvarnished comparison between the two, would be to dig up one of Eric “Winkle” Brown’s test pilot reports he did on both of them just after WW2.

[bob10]

Couldn't find your Eric, but found another Eric. OOps, could be the same one. sorry.

Inside the ME-262 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFCS8dmPvM)

[cripesamighty]

Yep.

Eric Brown (pilot) - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_(pilot))

[bob10]

We may as well continue on with the great man.

Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown - test pilot legend (part 1) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlV968Jf7Xc)

Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown - test pilot legend (Part2) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkicKdqxPSc&t=83s)

[bob10]

Ernst Udet's amazing landing.

Ernst Udet's amazing landing - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2CBx7x5GCI)