D3 or RRsport TDV6

[HSVRangie]

contemplating one of the above.

bit stressed/worried about some of the issues people are having.

emailed dealers only one responded to date slack assesss.

specs wanted.

D3 S air sus, dif lock, tow bar, snork, b/bar and winch.

D3 SE D/lock, tow bar, snork b/bar and winch.

RR Sport TDV6, D/lock, tow bar, b/bar and winch if avail, snork to if avail.

will be keeping the current RR

lease car, 3 year 40% residual hopefully worth that in 3 years.

Michael.

[Phoenix]

What info do you need? Prices for those total packages?

You can work that our from the land rover australia website. I know that a D3 S, TDV6 with eas and the locker is cheaper than a SE with a locker by a few grand, and the RRS TDV6 is a few grand more than a basic D3 SE.

By the way, lucky bugger 8)

[HSVRangie]

just not sure lot of reports around about troubles people having.


admitadly forums only seem to note and talk about problems they have.

just amazed at the lack of response from L/rover dealers.


email other brands and they respond imediatly, maybe they dont want to sell a car. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

have worked out prices from l/r website but expect to do a lot better from them if they ever bother to get back.

Michael.

[HSVRangie]

would love the V8 but shhheesh cannot justify the $$$

test drove a RR sport V8 mmmmmmmmm so nice to drive great performence, sounds nice to https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

but another 25-30K for that.

Michael.

[Phoenix]

The trouble is a lot of these places don't check the e-mail account that they advertise on their website, or have been allocated by HQ.

Best to get somebodys card, or go to see them face to face, or even a phone call.

As for problems. The UK D3 owner website has a lot of info on the problems with the D3, and remember it's the same architecture under the RRS, although I have heard of less problems with them. From what I can tell, the 2 main problems are the computer / sensors, and the air compressor. Oh, and the lack of off road tyres, but that will fix itself given time, but 17, 18 and 20 inch wheels seem to be the best bet. Obviously 17 has the most available now, and in the furute. 19 seems to be impossible to find anything.

[FenianEel]

Go the Sport. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

PM sent.

[ak]

I am also looking at both these cars when I trade in another 12 months. I suspect over time they will sell more D3's so there should be more aftermarket stuff around for them eg there is an ARB bullbar for the D3 but don't think there is one for the RRS yet so the D3 may be better for off road work and long trips.

All depends what you want to do with the car I suspose.

[FenianEel]

Check out G4 challenge - I hear from a LR source (which could be complete bollocks) - that the range of gear for both these is going to be made available here.

There are already a few non LR accessories places, well on the way to producing a range of gear for the D3 and RRS too.

[stevo68]

Hey HSVRangie,

To date I have found the D3 excellent. Despite needing a 7 seater which obviously the RRS doesnt come in, I still would have chosen the D3. I believe more aftermarket gear will be made for the D3 over the RRS, simply due to the fact that the perception of the RRS is more of an onroad vehicle as opposed to offroad despite the heritage. Even like myself, it is rare that you see people taking anything over $60k off road, at $100k + for mine with all the bells and whistles most people including my partner think Im nuts taking it off road. My dealer even said that 80% of D3's, RRS etc dont go offroad hence why it is difficult at the moment to get proper off road tyres. Having said that it looks like I will be able to get 18'inch rims ( currently 19's) and a set of offroad tyres. As Phoenix pointed out they share the same platform, Im not sure if they have the TR ( do they??) have to check the last edition of 4x4 to see if they do, so therefore if it did you would win either way, you would win either way even if it didnt have TR. The only problem I have had was a faulty airbag which has been fixed, suspension has been fine and onroad excellent ( the V8 is wonderful https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ ) and what off road I have done even with the current tyres it has performed very well. Any questions feel free to ask, plus there are a few others on here with D3's, dont know if anyone has an RRS?? I could be wrong, its been known to happen :wink: ,

Regards

Stevo

[drivesafe]

Hi HSVRangie, it all depends on what you want to use the vehicle for.

If you want a street racer that will be right at home off road then go with the RRS, but that’s where it’s advantages end.

In all honesty I think the RRS will prove to be more agile off road than the D3 because of the shorter wheel base.

If you have a family then the RRS is pretty well out as there is really only enough comfortable room for the two front occupants. There is only room for severally height challenged adults in the rear seats.

On the other hand, the D3 starts off with the same wheel base length as the REAL Range Rovers so it has a ride advantage over the RRS.

My wife had some relos up over Christmas and easily transported 7 full sized adults including the two 6+ footers in the fold up rear seats in the back of her D3, all in good comfort.

The D3 also has a huge cargo area, larger than my MkIII RR.

I would recommend you make sure you get air suspension because it makes a big difference to both ride comfort and, more importantly, handling.

Again, unless you are a bit of a rev head, the RRS is NOT for you and in all fairness, the RRS is more aimed at winning over non LR owners.

Cheers.

[dullbird]

hi

just thought i would tell you what a landrover guy said to me when i asked him which one would he buy of the two back in the uk....

he said buy a disco, the rangerover sport is a disco with a very expensive
body kit on.............

and boyfriend said he's not sure you would have to check but he seems to think that the d3 has more wheel travel than the range rover sport if your thinking of going off road (asuming you are by the pec your after)

and he said may also possibly have slightly more ground clearance but like i said check up on that

dullbird

[Jamo]

I am very pleased with my D3.

If you want extra space and a choice of aftermarket accessories, then go for the D3.

If you don't need either then go for the RRS.

Also, if you are looking at an SE D3, then the cost difference will come into it too. At RRP, the RRS is just over a grand more expensive than the HSE D3 (both TDV6) and (based on a test drive of one) the RRS is slightly less specced than the HSE, but still has TR etc.

I think that the only reason that there has not been much said about RRS probs is simply because bugger all have been off-road to really test things!

And, I would estimate that it may be some time before non-LR accessories are available for the RRS.

If I was in the financial position to do so, i would have both! At the end of the day, they're both great cars. it just depends what you want it for.

[HSVRangie]

uses:

travel to work;

light to medium off road use. Although I will push it to its limits. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I have the RR for extreme 4x4 and playing in.

Mostly there will only be me in it, and 2 kids off rd.

RRS is more expensive and not as well speced but.

Will see what the dealers come up with. I believe the sport will be as capable as the d3 off road maybe more so.

Michael.

[p38arover]

Also check out these RR fora:

http://rangerovers.net/forum/index.php

There is a RRS specific forum.

Ron

[Jamo]

Originally posted by HSVRangie
uses:

travel to work;

light to medium off road use. Although I will push it to its limits. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

I have the RR for extreme 4x4 and playing in.

Mostly there will only be me in it, and 2 kids off rd.

RRS is more expensive and not as well speced but.

Will see what the dealers come up with. I believe the sport will be as capable as the d3 off road maybe more so.

Michael.

In that case, I reckon go for the RRS! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[HSVRangie]

what do people think D3 or RRS will be worth after 3 years.

aprox 30-40k per year

car will be lease Residual = ???????

Michael

[stevo68]

Hey HSV Rangie,

I did mine as bill of sale over 48mths with a 35% residual with $20k in upfront. I would hope it would be worth $30-35k in 4 yrs, cripes I hope so. Hopefully with the new model, depreciation wont be to the extent that I am finding out about previous models 8O . Grab the papers and have a look at what they are selling now and formulate it over a 3 yr period should give a rough estimate. In general terms, most lenders (dependant on vehicle) will want a residual around the 35-40% mark,

Regards

Stevo

[HSVRangie]

On previous Rover products the depreciation is huge you would need a resiual of about 20% to come out of it with out throughing extra cash into it after lease expires.

This is my one major concern, damn rover and thier crap reputation.

Michael.

[ak]

Depreciation on both these cars will be huge perhaps worse than current rovers :cry: . Reason being that most people in the motor trade will tell you that anone that can afford a new one can afford running costs. The problem is that these cars are packed with high tech stuff that usually fails with age. Therefore most second hand buyers can't afford repairs.

It's as simple as that just ask car valuers most will give you the same answer to that question. I will still trade up regards of huge depreciation because I love Land Rovers. 8)

[stevo68]

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I cant agree/ disagree with comments made in respect to depreciation, however most cars these days ( pick a brand/model/make) and they have high tech stuff in them. Failure is yet to be determined, no doubt 20 yrs ago people were saying the same thing, even 5 yrs ago, whether cars or other forms of technology.

Secondly all cars are liabilities, naturally one wants to minimise the impact of depreciation, but hey. A couple of years ago my father sold his Merc S500 which I think was purchased for $265k, he sold it couple of years later for $170k. You can pick any model and most will have certain levels of depreciation. If however the brand as in LR have picked up their game and can reinvent their brand image in the market place, which I feel will happen with the D3's, RRS, RR, then this could also impact on values in the future. Ahhh WTFK :wink: ,

Regards

Stevo

[FenianEel]

Originally posted by ak
Depreciation on both these cars will be huge perhaps worse than current rovers :cry: . Reason being that most people in the motor trade will tell you that anone that can afford a new one can afford running costs. The problem is that these cars are packed with high tech stuff that usually fails with age. Therefore most second hand buyers can't afford repairs.

It's as simple as that just ask car valuers most will give you the same answer to that question. I will still trade up regards of huge depreciation because I love Land Rovers. 8)

Can't quite follow your logic here ak. :?
Like any they will depreciate, however nowhere near the amounts of current rovers. They are "new" and "unique" models, at the higher end of the scale, there are not a lot on the market, and for comparitive and upgrade buying there isn't much out there. There is also a "trend" factor still associated with them - as with the (crappy) X3 & X5 a few years ago.
They are so yesterday's SUV girlfriend :roll:

I believe they will hold their value extremely well for the next few years.
One of the main reasons Disco prices and older Rangies are depreciating so quickly, is that there are oodles of 2nd hand ones in the market place, (not to mention all the last model D2 ones LR "sacrificed") to bring in the D3. There is a new model in the D3, and there has also been a downward trend in larger cars/4WD's in favour of smaller ones. These factors won't overly affect the D3 or RRS nearly as much as it has previous LR's.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[ak]

Hi guys I hope your right and I'm wrong because I love Land Rovers and would not drive anything else. But I'm just not convinced. It comes down to supply and demand and there is always more demand for Jap crap hence thats why they tend to have stronger resale values. I'm just not convinced but again hope you guys are right and I'm wrong.

[PCH]

Originally posted by ak
Hi guys I hope your right and I'm wrong because I love Land Rovers and would not drive anything else. But I'm just not convinced. It comes down to supply and demand and there is always more demand for Jap crap hence thats why they tend to have stronger resale values. I'm just not convinced but again hope you guys are right and I'm wrong.

I tend to agree with ak.

The less popular the vehicle the lower the resale will be.

If you want 60% resale after 3 years don't get a LR. Sorry to say that but looking a various mags LR show about 60% after 3 years. Jap vehicles are around high 60's and up to 70%. This means maybe only 50% after 4 years which is pretty poor. The more the vehicle costs the more $'s you actually will see disappear.

If you like the D3 or RRS then don't let resale get in the way of your decsion because you better not buy it.

Chris

[disco_ute]

FYI Ritter automotive are designing and building a rear bar for the D3 which has a swing away wheel carrier... but u didn't hear it from me :wink:

[Owen]

Rear bar????????/ and the long range tank to replace the tyre as well, now that would be nice.

[stevo68]

Long range tank would be good, especially if a rear bar like that comes out, otherwise one will have to take along a fair few jerries to compensate 8O ,

Regards

Stevo

[Tusker]

Hi Michael,

The RRS has that space saver spare wheel..

Dunno whether thats a concern for you or not, but it'd worry me if any touring was on the cards.

A few months ago there were newspaper reports of a visiting Mini driver being stranded in Sydney for a few days, BMW couldn't find a replacement anywhere.

Regards
Max P

[rmp]

Australian RRSes don't have a space saver spare.

The RRS is better onroad, and off than the D3. And that's saying something.

It also has the exclusivity about it, if that's a factor.

The D3 is cheaper and has much more loadspace.

Family guys have no option but the D3 really I think. Singlies or those that can afford both can go the RRS and fold the second row down for extra loadspace.

Make sure you get the smallest diameter rim you can on either model.

[HSVRangie]

Land Rover Discovery TDV6 SE, total on road cost of 84,053 including the diff lock and tow bar.
Finance figures of 3 years with 30% residual lie at $1975 per month
3 years 40% residual at $1767
4 years 30% residual at $1570
4 years 40% residual at $1420

Land Rover Discovery TDV6 S, total on road cost of 81,176 including the diff lock, tow bar, all terrain response system and climate control.
Finance figures of 3 years with 30% residual lie at $1907 per month
3 years 40% residual at $1707
4 years 30% residual at $1516
4 years 40% residual at $1372

Finally the on road price of the Range Rover Sport TDV6 including Diff lock and tow bar is at $95,067
Finance figures of 3 years with 30% residual lie at $2234 per month
3 years 40% residual at $1999
4 years 30% residual at $1776
4 years 40% residual at $1606

to date.

TD6 S Residual $33700 aprox after 4 years
TD6SE residual $33621.00 years
TD6 RRs Residual $38242.00 4 years

Plus have to add 2-3 K for winch bar.

MIchael.

something to think about.
Michael.