Parking at the end of a cul-de-sac

[Kidbeen]

I live in a Cul-de-sac. At the end of the cul-de-sac some residents park their cars in the turning circle making it difficult to negotiate as it requires backing and filling to get around. In Queensland, it appears to be legal to park as they do, as I cannot dig up any evidence to the contrary. Besides my Defender (haha), I also notice that the Council service trucks have difficulty getting around.

What is your view of this matter?

[Gordie]

I think the only rule that would have to be complied with, is parking the required distance from a driveway entrance.

[Homestar]

As difficult as it sounds, they need to be parked on the bitumen to be legal so pulling off the road to to park to give other road users room is actually illegal in most places.

Can you back into your driveway to turn around - or use a nieghbours driveway? That's what I do.

[Kidbeen]

As difficult as it sounds, they need to be parked on the bitumen to be legal so pulling off the road to to park to give other road users room is actually illegal in most places.

Can you back into your driveway to turn around - or use a nieghbours driveway? That's what I do.
My driveway is a few houses from the turning circle so it only affects me when I have to drive down to turnaround so I park out on the street in front of my house. However, I also have people who park opposite my driveway. My Defender/motorhome is 6 metres long and it is almost impossible to back out when they are parked opposite my driveway. But that is probably legal as well.

[Tombie]

It certainly is...

[Homestar]

Yes, quite legal. How well do you get on with your neighbours? We all make sure that we don't park behind each others driveways on our end of the street, it just seems to be good manners and we all get on fine and talk to each other so this has been discussed. Even the rental accros the street with a group of young lads in it are cool about this and there can be 8 cars parked in the front yard there some evenings, but they still leave room for my next door neighbour to get her caravan in and out no dramas.

[solmanic]

I think the only rule that would have to be complied with, is parking the required distance from a driveway entrance.

I don't think there is any actual distance specified for driveways. The rules just state that you cannot "park or stop on a road in a way that blocks access to a path or driveway...". This becomes interesting in a cul-de-sac because often the angle around the curve means that vehicles can effectively "block access" without actually being parked across the driveway crossover. This used to happen in our street whenever anyone had a party.

[Gordie]

Under Rule 208 of Aust Road Rules....
The driver must position the vehicle so the vehicle does not unreasonably obstruct the path of other vehicles or pedestrians.

But I would say if the cars are all parked normally, then it wouldn't be classed as unreasonable obstructing....

And yes, re parking on footpath, in our street we used to run them up onto the path just a tad, to keep the road a bit clearer, until a few neighbours had fines left on their cars. Now we just clutter the street.

[PhilipA]

I have the same problem but with the added annoyance that people park in front of my property at each end of my camper trailer , so I cannot open it or move it without going to a neighbor and asking them to move their cars.

One neighbor admittedly has asked as he perceives that his car is in less danger of branch drop there instead of outside his place, but the other has parked an old Toyota Crown (resto special so hasn't moved for a while) within 25Cms of the back of my camper and the son of the bloke who asked then parks his car directly behind the Toyota. There is room for the Toyota outside his own place next door.

My driveway is angled on to the road because of the steepness and to get my camper out of my driveway I am forced to go to the end of the cul de sac to repark it or if I am leaving for a trip and you guessed it, cars and trailers are parked all over the shop, some at right angles almost to the curb. Last time I went down I had to drive up a driveway to straighten up the camper and reverse back.

First World problems I know but it certainly makes working on my camper trailer a logistic exercise of ensuring people are home and have keys etc.

My sprint with the rake when the vacuum truck comes to get rid of the huge leaf and bark buildup in the gutters is to be seen as there is no schedule and I have to rake the leaves/bark out from all the parked cars and my trailer as they build up even more as the truck cannot reach them.

Regards Philip A

[Gordie]

One neighbor admittedly has asked as he perceives that his car is in less danger of branch drop there instead of outside his place, but the other has parked an old Toyota Crown (resto special so hasn't moved for a while) within 25Cms of the back of my camper and the son of the bloke who asked then parks his car directly behind the Toyota. Quote Aus Road Rules 208(5) to them.....(5) If the driver does not park in a parking bay, the driver must position the vehicle at least 1 metre from the closest point of any vehicle in front of it and any vehicle behind it.

[PhilipA]

Hmmm, 1 metre eh?

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Regards Philip A

[gavinwibrow]

Hmmm, 1 metre eh?

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Regards Philip A


I too live in a cul de sac where the occasional improper parking occurs. We have an annual street party which is almost due, so makes it a little easier to communicate/spread the word.

Time for a talk over a beer (again?) armed with rules, and if no joy, time to call in the council ranger or whoever initially for a bit of moral support?

[101RRS]

Except for the RAV 4 all those cars are illegally parked anyway. Pointing the wrong way are parking too close.

[DiscoMick]

Logan Council told us that parking at the end of the cul de sac outside our house is illegal in Queensland. They have just painted yellow lines around the cul de sac to reinforce that it's illegal. I didn't realise until they told us. Not did the copper who lives in our street. So I suggest you ask your local council if they would book people parked there.

[Kidbeen]

Logan Council told us that parking at the end of the cul de sac outside our house is illegal in Queensland. They have just painted yellow lines around the cul de sac to reinforce that it's illegal. I didn't realise until they told us. Not did the copper who lives in our street. So I suggest you ask your local council if they would book people parked there.

That's interesting. I shot off an email to council last night and will let you know the outcome re parking on the turnaround area of the cul-de-sac. Also asked council if they could paint a yellow line opposite my driveway but not optimistic about a favourable outcome.

A house that has its driveway running off the turnaround area has about five female Uni students living in it with their boyfriends who stay over. I read the riot act to them after one of their frequent parties awhile back and wrote to the real estate agent. They all drive a car and have a car garage which only accommodates two cars so they and their boyfriends are the main ones who park at the end of the cul-de-sac. Needless to say my relationship with them is not real flash at the moment.

[DiscoMick]

Our street is zoned for eight storey development so the council may be more strict about parking than in quieter areas.

[trog]

That's interesting. I shot off an email to council last night and will let you know the outcome re parking on the turnaround area of the cul-de-sac. Also asked council if they could paint a yellow line opposite my driveway but not optimistic about a favourable outcome.

A house that has its driveway running off the turnaround area has about five female Uni students living in it with their boyfriends who stay over. I read the riot act to them after one of their frequent parties awhile back and wrote to the real estate agent. They all drive a car and have a car garage which only accommodates two cars so they and their boyfriends are the main ones who park at the end of the cul-de-sac. Needless to say my relationship with them is not real flash at the moment.

I have lived on a through street with a similar situation. Large family household, all had cars and a couple work vans. So each day 5 would park up on the nature strip , two on the curbing. After five years , never even a warning ! The driveway and car port , long enough for all , was always empty. Rumour had it , as they were friends with the local councillors the destroy lawn was replaced every year at the ratepayers expense.

[DiscoMick]

I understand it's illegal to stop on a footpath or crossing as pedestrians always have the right of way.

[Homestar]

There's about 5 young blokes live across the road from me, all their girlfriends are always there too. They also collect cars which are all parked in the front yard and driveway so they all park on the street - good lads though, always wave and will sling a beer my way if I'm out the front. We've discussed parking so they all know where they can and shouldn't park for access, etc so no dramas at all, we all get on and are happy. It is crowded yes, but that's life these days. Best to make friends out of it rather than enemies. [emoji106][emoji4]

[Mick_Marsh]

I understand it's illegal to stop on a footpath or crossing as pedestrians always have the right of way.
Nup.

[DiscoMick]

Nup.Parking rules and fines | Transport and motoring | Queensland Government (https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/fines/parking)

Certainly illegal to stop or park on a footpath, nature strip, cycle path or dividing strip in Queensland.

[1950landy]

In our cul - de - sac in Brisbane the houses in the circle park beside the island in the centre. as well against the kerb it makes it hard to turn at the end of the street. We had the police one night a little while back none of these cars got booked but the guy across the road from me was booked for parking the wrong way .

[DiscoMick]

Pedestrians have the right of way on roads even if there is not a pedestrian crossing.

Tips for drivers - Pedestrians - Staying safe - NSW Centre for Road Safety (http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/pedestrians/needtoknow/index.html)

[DiscoMick]

Walking law (http://www.victoriawalks.org.au/walking_law/)

[DiscoMick]

Giving way | Transport and motoring | Queensland Government (https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/road/give-way)

[Mick_Marsh]

Parking rules and fines | Transport and motoring | Queensland Government (https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/fines/parking)

Certainly illegal to stop or park on a footpath, nature strip, cycle path or dividing strip in Queensland.
Doesn't mention anything about pedestrians having right of way.

[scarry]

Pedestrians have the right of way on roads even if there is not a pedestrian crossing.



Oh well ,let them try.

Thats called survival of the smartest....

[DiscoMick]

See posts 23-25.

[Bigbjorn]

Oh well ,let them try.

Thats called survival of the smartest....

And if you run over and maim or kill one you get new accommodation and share the showers with bearded, or coloured, or tattooed men.

[DiscoMick]

And if you run over and maim or kill one you get new accommodation and share the showers with bearded, or coloured, or tattooed men.Indigenous too. That might be a new experience.

[scarry]

And if you run over and maim or kill one you get new accommodation and share the showers with bearded, or coloured, or tattooed men.

or maybe not

Mate of mine hit one that stepped out from the kerb,not on a crossing.

Something you don't want to go through,the bottom line was the deceased was completely in the wrong.

My mate still has the nightmares and it happened over 10yrs ago,he wasn't charged at all.

[Homestar]

Pedestrians have the right of way on roads even if there is not a pedestrian crossing.

Tips for drivers - Pedestrians - Staying safe - NSW Centre for Road Safety (http://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov.au/stayingsafe/pedestrians/needtoknow/index.html)

Only at intersections under certain circumstances. They can’t walk down the middle of the road or cross in other locations.

[Mick_Marsh]

#QuickLaw: Can You Receive A Fine For Jaywalking In Australia? (http://bucketorange.com.au/fine-jaywalking-australia/)

Some of the most common “jaywalking” offences in Australia include:

Pedestrians who cross the road by ignoring red pedestrian lights
Crossing the road diagonally where you aren’t permitted to do so
Crossing the road on a green light
Not using a zebra crossing within 20 metres of your location
Walking in the middle of a breakdown lane

Did you also know drivers are not required to give way to pedestrians when leaving a roundabout, but common sense should prevail.

Pedestrians : VicRoads (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-rules/a-to-z-of-road-rules/pedestrians)

Pedestrians are not allowed to:

cross the road if they are facing an amber or red traffic or pedestrian light
cross the road within 20 metres of a pedestrian crossing - they must use the crossing
get out of a moving vehicle
cross a railway level crossing when it is not allowed
cause a traffic hazard by moving into the path of a driver
walk along, or fail to give way when crossing, a path which is for bicycles and wheeled devices (a path showing a 'Bicycle lane' sign).

[DiscoMick]

My post was that it was illegal to stop on a footpath or crossing as the pedestrians have the right of way. That's clearly true. You've gone off onto other issues.

[Mick_Marsh]

My post was that it was illegal to stop on a footpath or crossing as the pedestrians have the right of way. That's clearly true. You've gone off onto other issues.Nup.

[crash]

I have heard of people stop parking in certain spots because they were getting nails in their tyre.