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Danjeffery
23rd January 2018, 08:41 PM
I was speaking to a very good Land Rover defender mechanic some time ago. And they fair got up me after asking about getting my Puma defender serviced...
They were saying only a 2.4 is actually a Puma and the 2.2 isn't?
i know they're both called a Puma by everyone but is there a reason they would have said the 2.4 is only a Puma?
I'm only trying to get some of the right info, might have to ring the mechanic again tomorrow...
Tombie
23rd January 2018, 08:50 PM
Your mechanic is incorrect [emoji6]

Ford 2.0 L, 2.2 L, and 2.4 L engines are called ZSD. They are produced at the company's Dagenham plant in east London.

See here: Ford Duratorq engine - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratorq_engine)


Having said that; you don’t hear people running around calling their TD5 a Storm [emoji41]
scarry
23rd January 2018, 08:50 PM
I believe from 2007 on,when the model changed, they were all 'Puma'

Engines,and a few other things changed over the model run,but they were still a Puma.
rick130
23rd January 2018, 09:07 PM
Having said that; you don’t hear people running around calling their TD5 a Storm [emoji41]

Or Tdi's Gemini's.....

Which is why I'm a dick and only call later Deefer's Tdci's.


:lol2:
martnH
23rd January 2018, 09:17 PM
2.4 is called puma

2.2 is cougar

They are different
Danjeffery
23rd January 2018, 09:22 PM
2.4 is called puma

2.2 is cougar

They are different

Legit?
Tombie
23rd January 2018, 09:30 PM
2.4 is called puma

2.2 is cougar

They are different

You want to show the data source for this?
Tombie
23rd January 2018, 09:33 PM
ZSD-422 and ZSD-424 are the same family of engines...

No Cougars [emoji41]
rick130
23rd January 2018, 09:44 PM
2.4 is called puma

2.2 is cougar

They are different


ZSD-422 and ZSD-424 are the same family of engines...

No Cougars [emoji41]

Hmm, I need to consult my old apprentice Scott from my last place of work, he knows all about cougars.... [bigrolf]
uninformed
23rd January 2018, 09:49 PM
just call it a Defender and be done with it...
DiscoClax
23rd January 2018, 09:50 PM
Ford derived engine. The current 2.2 and (five cyl) 3.2 are indeed named "Puma". The 2.4 from the same family was/is also referred to by that name. I recall when we made the call to switch from the 2.4 to 2.2 on Ranger, long before it saw production... actually before we had built representative prototypes... The 2.4 and 2.2 are highly related but obviously not exactly identical. The 2.2 has quite a few upgrades/changes/development over the older 2.4. Then there are the 'generations' within that. I think the MY18 Puma family goes from Gen3 to Gen3.5, at least where a legacy engine isn't required or retained. I'm not familiar with the "Cougar" name in this context so can't comment on that if it is a codename.
Just like the later/current V6 and V8 diesels are "Lion" (again linked to Ford, but slightly differently). The engine family gets a name, then there are different variants within that family, and generational upgrades also.
Most engine families have names, from any manufacturer. 'Astron' is one old example from Mitsubishi...
rick130
23rd January 2018, 09:58 PM
Just like the later/current V6 and V8 diesels are "Lion" (again linked to Ford, but slightly differently). The engine family gets a name, then there are different variants within that family, and generational upgrades also.
Most engine families have names, from any manufacturer. 'Astron' is one old example from Mitsubishi...

Which is why Mike mentioned 'Storm' for the TD5, and the 200/300Tdi's were 'Gemini'.

An old mate was an engineer with JRA in the eighties and later a consulting engineer in the nineties and before and just after the TD5 was released he always referred to it as the 5 cylinder 'Storm'.
martnH
24th January 2018, 06:29 AM
Legit?

No no no.....Both 2.4 and 2.2 are code named puma

That said, I still think it's a good idea to call 2.2 cougar as it's smaller and more refined.....
Ancient Mariner
24th January 2018, 06:50 AM
Pussies:Rolling:
ATH
24th January 2018, 09:21 AM
Our 2010 110 has a sticker on the chassis which says 'Puma"..... so is it the engine, chassis or just a Ford name which covers the whole thing? I neither know nor are really as it's a good vehicle generally.
AlanH.
gusthedog
24th January 2018, 09:34 AM
I was just out for a fang in my storm and noticed I was being chased by a cougar or puma. Couldn't tell in my rear vision mirror.
Danjeffery
24th January 2018, 09:40 AM
Our 2010 110 has a sticker on the chassis which says 'Puma"..... so is it the engine, chassis or just a Ford name which covers the whole thing? I neither know nor are really as it's a good vehicle generally.
AlanH.

Where abouts is the sticker?
Zeros
24th January 2018, 11:13 AM
Spurious claims. Funny. Of course all tdci Defenders are Pumas.
Tombie
24th January 2018, 05:04 PM
Our 2010 110 has a sticker on the chassis which says 'Puma"..... so is it the engine, chassis or just a Ford name which covers the whole thing? I neither know nor are really as it's a good vehicle generally.
AlanH.

Both... the chassis is set for Tdci engines and box.
uninformed
24th January 2018, 07:12 PM
shame we never got to call them Icebergs............
Larry
24th January 2018, 08:09 PM
Our 2010 110 has a sticker on the chassis which says 'Puma"..... so is it the engine, chassis or just a Ford name which covers the whole thing? I neither know nor are really as it's a good vehicle generally.
AlanH.

My 2012 2.2 90 has the same sticker. So not just the 2.4s.:whistling: