thinking of adopting a rescue dog

[Eevo]

so im thinking of adopting a rescue dog.
i've played with/looked after my former housemates dog for a few weeks at a time but i lack general dog experience as i didnt grow up around dogs. im trying to be realistic that the biggest learning curve will be for me

i have a large backyard with good fencing
can do walks everyday
i'm not after a small yapper
no kids or other animals at my house
i like playing fetch, former housemates dog doesnt like fetch :(

ive got 2 lines of thought,
1) an older less active dog as it would be an easier learning curve for me.
2) a dog about a year old thats medium activity


what else do i need to know?

[Ean Austral]

so im thinking of adopting a rescue dog.
i've played with/looked after my former housemates dog for a few weeks at a time but i lack general dog experience as i didnt grow up around dogs. im trying to be realistic that the biggest learning curve will be for me

i have a large backyard with good fencing
can do walks everyday
i'm not after a small yapper
no kids or other animals at my house
i like playing fetch, former housemates dog doesnt like fetch :(

ive got 2 lines of thought,
1) an older less active dog as it would be an easier learning curve for me.
2) a dog about a year old thats medium activity


what else do i need to know?

When you say a rescue dog what do you mean ? How long is the adoption? is it time specific or its basically your animal to keep forever.?

The biggest thing with animal ownership is they are yours for a long time , they become family so its a full on commitment. That animal will rely on you and be there for you , its a 100% commitment , if you are not prepared for that then buy a goldfish..

I have a friend who is looking after an ex greyhound thru some sort of dog charity , but I am sure after 12 months or so it goes back to the shelter or wherever it came from.

Cheers Ean

[Eevo]

its basically your animal to keep forever.?




this, and i understand its a long commitment.

[Ean Austral]

this, and i understand its a long commitment.

Guess it then comes down to dog breed ,any idea what sort of dog ?.

You will get back as much as you put in. If you have a good yard and as you said you looked after your former flatmates dog , so you know the basics.

What sort of dog did he / she have ?

Cheers Ean

[Eevo]

Guess it then comes down to dog breed ,any idea what sort of dog ?.

You will get back as much as you put in. If you have a good yard and as you said you looked after your former flatmates dog , so you know the basics.

What sort of dog did he / she have ?

Cheers Ean

im not really sure what breed i should be looking for. i like kelpies but i probably sholdnt be getting a working dog.

housemates dog was a west highland terrier. he loves going to bunnings and riding in the trolley and getting pats from everyone.

[bblaze]

I have a rescued malamute, he was 5 years old when I got him. I pulled up at the the house he was at and found him locked in a yard , wet ,50 meters from house, dog was retrieved , passed to me and basicly said there you go seeya later. The dog come from nsw by micro chip. At some point he had been bshed around the head for howling (naturally talk to you.)
Any he has turned out to be a buetiful very loyal dog that is calm, like put your hand in his food while eating, checking teeth ect, he talks a lot, chases small animals, and needs to be under lead control outside yard as he has a mind of his own. I have my mobile ph number on his collar. Full of life and now close to 8 years old. I would recommend not doing a private rescue as I did, I was lucky. Labs and lab crosses are good because they are very food orientated which makes for easier training (just gotta watch their weght). I don't have pure bred dogs as they seem more prone to illness. My last dog before the malli was a King Charles cavilier that lived to 17 years with only 4 vet trips
Can and will be the joy of your life but do look at if it is forever
cheers
blaze

[Homestar]

Great idea Eevo, all of our dogs are rescues and they are all awesome.

As for the breed, you're right - don't get a working dog as a pet. It may be fine while you're around, but they become bored quickly and will dig, destroy everything they can get to and bark until your neighbours complain. Kelpies, Border Collies, etc.

If you like larger dogs Labradors are hard to go past IMO. If you don't like your favorite shoes being eaten, don't get one under 2 years old. I wouldn't recommend doing the puppy thing if you don't have experience with dogs either as you've suggested.

A mongrel from the local shelter could also be the perfect dog for you - go down there and see whatvthey have, they'll be all sorts and you'll get a much better idea of what you like and what you don't. Mongels also can be a lot healthier long term that a pure bred and cost you far less in Vet bills too.

If you pick a specific breed, do all the research you can on them, health issues, if they shed heaps of hair, temperature ranges they can tolerate, etc. Some dogs aren't ideally suited to Australian conditions (like my Pugs) so need full access to an air conditioned house on hot days, even when you aren't there.

In short, dogs are awesome, and if you choose carefully and do your homework (which you obviously are by starting a thread asking some questions) then you'll end up with a dog who'll be your best buddy no matter what and a partof your life you can't live without. 😊👍

[scarry]

And budget for vet bills they can be very expensive.

The above posts are good advice.

Good luck

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Guiness was a RSPCA puppy, came with a 12month warranty, which was handy as he was sick once as a pup,
the trouble with going to rescue/adoption/pounds is they all need a home[bigsad]

[bee utey]

Talk to the Balhannah Small Animal Veterinary Clinic, they are very good with that sort of thing.

[DieselDan]

Gav's basically covered most of it!!

Myself and t'wife have recently done what you're thinking of and became 'parents' to an 8 week old labrador x viszla puppy and went from having very little dog experience (absolutely none in my case!) to properly thrown in at the deep end! She's now 8 months old and we've got a gorgeous, well behaved (mostly!) best mate for life. It is very hard work, but thoroughly worth it [bigsmile1]

We didn't want a small yappy dog either and my BIL has had viszlas in the past, so we knew the advantages (short haired, not massive hair shedders, not very 'doggy' smelling, VERY affectionate) and the disadvantages (very demanding, need a LOT of exercise/stimulation) and we stumbled upon the dog we now have by accident, but the labrador cross element does give her a brilliant temperament and the food obsession bit makes her easy to train. She's nowhere near as destructive as a collie for instance, but all our shoes are hidden in cupboards!!

My mate got a dog from a rescue place at the same time, some sort of mastiff cross, but no-ones quite sure, who was 5 months old at the time, already toilet trained, had basic puppy training etc. and he seems to have had an easier time of it. Not sure either myself or my wife could have coped with an 8 week old puppy on our own, so my recommendation is along the lines of your option 2).

Look at labrador crosses as others have said, they're less prone to pure lab hip problems and, depending on what they're crossed with, less likely to become a complete fatty and won't necessarily get that big. Ours is less than 18kg at the moment and will probably not get much above 20kg. I've also met a few people who have adopted retired greyhounds and they seem lovely, great temperament dogs.

Good luck, you won't regret it.
Oh and get RSPCA insurance!!

[Classic88]

Do it. Dogs are wonderful. I reckon they are one of the best ways to improve your quality of life.

I am loyal to one particular breed (Retrievers) having grown up with them but its definitely worth doing some research to figure out which breed would suit you best. I am probably biased because I helped create it but Petbarn has a pretty good online tool for working out which breeds might work best for you - type of property, time available, energy levels, trainability etc. It's a good starting point for some research at least.

I understand the rules and regs are different in Australia but almost all our dogs in the UK were from 'mom and pop' breeders who were having a litter with a family pet. We found them in ads in the back of the local farming paper. All except for a couple of pups we got by breeding our dog with a family friend's bitch. I understand that that isn't allowed here. I suppose it makes sense but is a shame.

I wouldn't personally get a rescue because of a) wanting a particular breed and b) wanting to own it from a puppy but plenty of friends have rescues and not had any problems. And I can see that it's a good thing to do.

P.S. Anyone got any Golden Retriever pups for sale, let me know! [biggrin]

[PhilipA]

Just be aware that some breeds and individual dogs have behavior problems , and that is what leads them to be rescue dogs.
For example greyhounds are likely to not know to return to their owner when called . I spoke to a bloke on the beach at Kingscliffe once who had chased his for 7 hours. They have to wear a muzzle in NSW unless they have a Green card for behavior. They of course will chase any small animal . If you have the patience to persevere in training they are beautiful affectionate dogs, who love to sit on your lap where they are all legs and bones.

You are correct not to consider Kelpies or IMHO Border Collies or cattle dogs.

Siberian Huskies are noted for their independence ie disappearing for days if not confined or kept on a lead. My son had a Rottweiler /Husky cross and it was a great dog but very independent. They also drop literally kilos of hair in spring.

Staffies are great and love humans but hate cats.

Avoid any American Bull terrier crosses as IMHO they can be unpredictable and kill you .

My favourite is a Schnauzer or dare I say it a standard poodle . Labs are also great placid dogs but do not have a food "off " button and many have hip displasure problems as they get older.

Regards Philip A
PS If you can find a Labradoodle which are currently flavor of the month, they are probably the best pick of all

[Eevo]

one thing ive identified that might cause an issue.

sometimes i like being left alone. a dog isnt going to understand that and will think its done something wrong.

[Tins]

If you want to walk and get fit, adopt a Greyhound. Mum had one. It was the sweetest natured dog. GAP here in Vic matches dog to owner. They screen all the dogs, so any with serious problems aren't adopted out. Mum had a dog, and he was big, but some of the bitches are actually not big at all. Bear in mind though, they are trained to chase, so any cats etc. will be in trouble. And, of course, the buggers can RUN.

Greyhound Adoption Program VIC | Adopt A Greyhound | GAP (http://gap.grv.org.au)

SA may have something similar.

Dogs are brilliant. I could do with one atm, but it wouldn't be fair to the dog. You will need to consider your lifestyle, and also remember that there are many places where dogs aren't welcome.

As for wanting to be left alone, well most dogs recognise that, others not so much. Do you plan for an inside or outside dog? All my dogs have been allowed into the house, as they were all family, but maybe you don't want that. It needs to be considered before you choose a dog, as it's previous life will determine it's behaviour. Before the greyhound, mum had an OESD that she rescued from a puppy farm. It's whole life had been in a pen. It had no concept of toilet behaviour. You need to have access to some history, or you will need to be very patient, as getting angry with a dog is pointless, and has a bad effect on your relationship. Never forget, that is what it is. A dog will bond, and become the best mate you have, if you approach it the right way. It hurts when they go.

[Homestar]

one thing ive identified that might cause an issue.

sometimes i like being left alone. a dog isnt going to understand that and will think its done something wrong.

Certain breeds will, yes. Others won’t care that you’ve stuck them in the back yard for the evening.

[Eevo]

not keen on a Greyhound.

[loanrangie]

Cant go past a staffie, and they do get on with cats just fine. My brother has a westie and mum has a scottie, both beautiful dogs but expensive to buy and dont come up as rescues very often.
Go to a local shelter and see what they have and what you like.

[Gordie]

I have always wanted a german shepherd, thinking of getting one in the future...anything negative about them??

[scarry]

I have always wanted a german shepherd, thinking of getting one in the future...anything negative about them??

Yes,they bite,come up from behind.

I did residential breakdowns for years,so came across all types of dogs.

Could be the way the particular dogs were brought up,I don’t know.

I prefer a dog to be up front,therefore you know where you stand,not come up from behind later on,sometimes an hour later and bite.

In all those years of doing residential calls,I only ever got bitten by German Shepards.

They also have hip displacia problems,as do many breeds.

Out of all the breeds we have had,the English Springer Spaniel we have now is probably for us,the best we have had.They are very active,need heaps of exercise,great watch dog,and a wonderfull companion.They are also very clean,come toilet trained and always poo way down in the back yard out of the way,or wait until they are on a walk.Even the pups we had,as soon as they could walk would go right to the end of the pen to do their business.
The do need regular clipping,and being food driven,have to be strict with food,only eats out of her bowl,no where else.

They are also naturally hunters,so have to be carefull with chooks,etc,although are very trainable and will learn to live with other animals.

[Gordie]

In all those years of doing residential calls,I only ever got bitten by German Shepards.That's a positive for me, I want a bitey guard dog [bigsmile1]

[Shoogs]

Cant go past a staffie, and they do get on with cats just fine. My brother has a westie and mum has a scottie, both beautiful dogs but expensive to buy and dont come up as rescues very often.
Go to a local shelter and see what they have and what you like.

Staffies are great and will always have them, though always have good pet insurance we are just spending 10k on cruciate ligament repairs... we rescued another 3 years ago who had be beaten and neglected, we successfully rehabilitated and passed him on my brother in law as we moved back overseas... fantastic dogs with children and yes with cats and other animals, ours successfully 'mothered' 2 guinea pigs for a while...

[PhilipA]

I have seen many German shepherds that have droopy bum syndrome which apparently was once seen as desirable and bred in by Australian breeders.
what comes with dbs is excessive timidity that can see the dog bite from fear.
regards Philip A

[jonesfam]

If your getting a dog from a shelter leave yourself plenty of time.
On the day see which dogs you like & then spend as much time with them as possible before you get it.
Talk to them/it, see if it pays attention, see if it knows basic commands, see if it likes to hang with you, see if it will sit/lay calmly with you, see if it will fetch & so on.
The more time you spend with it the more likely you are to get a dog that suits you.

Once you have a dog never forget, Your the BOSS. You don't have to be mean or nasty but as a pack animal dogs need to know you are the leader.

Now cats, that's a entirely different thing. [bawl]

Jonesfam

[Eevo]

I have always wanted a german shepherd, thinking of getting one in the future...anything negative about them??

every generation or so they invade poland and france

[Gordie]

every generation or so they invade poland and franceI promise not to name her Blondi.

[Eevo]

I promise not to name her Blondi.

i approve of this joke and historical reference [thumbsupbig]

[Classic88]

every generation or so they invade poland and france

That's why they were temporarily renamed Alsatians - because of anti-German sentiment after WW1.

[Eevo]

That's why they were temporarily renamed Alsatians - because of anti-German sentiment after WW1.

i didnt know that.

[Gordie]

That's why they were temporarily renamed Alsatians - because of anti-German sentiment after WW1.Yes I have been chastised for calling them Alsatians, that is generally what I knew them as, when growing up.

[cripesamighty]

I once saw a DVD of a Billy Connolly stand up show where he talked about the naming of Alsatians vs German Shepherds. Very funny, but not clean enough for these forum rules!

[67hardtop]

Hey EEVO, get a Jack Russel. You will fall in love with it

[Tins]

not keen on a Greyhound.

Fair enough. I wouldn't want one either, but they do not deserve their bad name.

As someone else said, A Jackie is great, so are Staffies. Best dog I ever had was a Jackie/Foxy cross.

[Eevo]

but they do not deserve their bad name.


i just think their ugly lol
sorry

[Eevo]

Hey EEVO, get a Jack Russel. You will fall in love with it

i dunno. i think of them as small and yappy

[scarry]

i dunno. i think of them as small and yappy


Our neighbours had two,you are correct,the yapping was constant.Mianly when the owners were out,they would bark all day at nothing.

One got into our yard once,and the Sharpie we had in those days ripped it into shreds,very nearly killed it.

[Saulman1010]

Dont get a dog from a backyard, get one from an animal aid / rescue.
1. They vet check, micro chip, desex and check for temperament.
2. They match owners to individual dogs. Dont look for pretty/handsome or a particular breed - the scruffy ones often are the best temperament.
3. Some even offer a sleepover for the dog and aftersales guidance and help.
4. Some send you home with a starter pack of food, bedding etc.
5. The dogs they have really need a good home. Some people are awful and dont deserve a pets love.

Dont support backyard breeding!!! - thousands of damn good dogs in pounds already.

**steps down off soapbox**
Ex Ranger.

[Mal]

Do it , visit the local RSPCA and talk to them.
I did seven years ago , my ex wife wanted a dog I didn't, then I met Cooper , he had been tied up most of his life , all he wanted was some love.
So a few days later home comes a 60kg mastiff boxer great dane crossed boof head.
Gentle giant.
Forward a couple of months my ex informed me our marriage was over. Long story short he was the best mate I needed, I was basically rescued by him from a crap part of my life.
He's now getting on but never have I had a better mate.

[Tins]

i dunno. i think of them as small and yappy



i just think their ugly

You sure you're ready for a dog? They come warts and all. Maybe something in this link would be better?

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Or

Start about 1 min in.


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If you DO want a dog, stop focussing on the type, and go out and meet some. One will come to you. Bit like a wife. Somehow, it just happens. Do it that way, and you will be loved, and you will howl when it ends. Ask me how I know.

[Eevo]

Bit like a wife. Somehow, it just happens.
i prefer to order mine online :p

[Tins]

i prefer to order mine online :p

So, you are saying that you are NOT ready for a dog then?

[Eevo]

So, you are saying that you are NOT ready for a dog then?

i dunno. it all seems like a lot of hard work. i already have a landrover...

[loanrangie]

Once you get a dog you will wonder how you lived without one.

[Classic88]

i dunno. it all seems like a lot of hard work. i already have a landrover...

Yeah, dogs drop unmentionable things on your driveway too.

[UncleHo]

G'day Eevo
It depends on your lifestyle and any family commitments,your work hours,etc. we have had dogs since 1975,purebred,both show and obedience,working dogs Aust Cattle dogs and Border Collies,at the moment we have 4 Borders in their runs,one being a "Delta Theropy dog"with which we do fortnightly hospital visits,our house dog is a Miniture Poodle,that is one breed that has (wool)not hair and does not shed,there are 3 types of Poodles,Toy,below 11inches,Mini 11to 15,Standard 15to 35 inches they are all active but will happily pack up alongside you on the couch,coats need to be clipped to keep them looking "owned" and most dog groomers do good pet trims,toys&minis can be washed in the laundry tub with a brand dog shampoo and towel dry. These dogs live between 10 & 15 years.

hope that is of help to you

cheers

[CraigE]

Just be aware that some breeds and individual dogs have behavior problems , and that is what leads them to be rescue dogs.
For example greyhounds are likely to not know to return to their owner when called . I spoke to a bloke on the beach at Kingscliffe once who had chased his for 7 hours. They have to wear a muzzle in NSW unless they have a Green card for behavior. They of course will chase any small animal . If you have the patience to persevere in training they are beautiful affectionate dogs, who love to sit on your lap where they are all legs and bones.

You are correct not to consider Kelpies or IMHO Border Collies or cattle dogs.

Siberian Huskies are noted for their independence ie disappearing for days if not confined or kept on a lead. My son had a Rottweiler /Husky cross and it was a great dog but very independent. They also drop literally kilos of hair in spring.

Staffies are great and love humans but hate cats.

Avoid any American Bull terrier crosses as IMHO they can be unpredictable and kill you .

My favourite is a Schnauzer or dare I say it a standard poodle . Labs are also great placid dogs but do not have a food "off " button and many have hip displasure problems as they get older.

Regards Philip A
PS If you can find a Labradoodle which are currently flavor of the month, they are probably the best pick of all


Avoid any American Bull terrier crosses as IMHO they can be unpredictable and kill you .

That is absolute Rubbish Phillip, unless ofcourse you have personally known multiple people killed by Bull Terrier Crosses. German Shepherds kill more.
I currently have an American Staffy.
The main reason any dog attacks is abuse or trained for hunting.
Smaller dogs are much more likely to be vicious and attack, just most get laughed off by there owners. Never been bitten by a bull terrier and been around heaps, but been bitten bu Schitzus, Malteese terriers, Schnauzer, Poodles and Chihuahuas, just most times they dont do too much damage, but do draw blood and are quite vicious.

[grey_ghost]

Hi Eevo,

I can't really add anything more to this discussion - everything has been said already. I've had rescue dogs for the last 15 years - including a recent addition (lovely little dog that we call "little girl" - she just turned up one day and never left! [thumbsupbig]

A dog will always be happy to see you, always be there for you and are great company.

As you say - I don't think that a working Dog is for you, and as Homestar says - a Lab under 2 years of age isn't a good idea either (I grew up with Labs for 30 years)

Best of luck!

Cheers,
GG.

[CraigE]

Eevo,
Depends on your wants and needs. Staffies are by far the best and easiest, but and a big but when new to a home or if young can do a bit of damage.
Our current AmStaff destroyed our lounge, but is good now.
Previous Staffies minor items like remote controls, blankets, shampoo bottles etc.
You can look to any of the Dog Rescue groups and maybe consider just fostering one for a while to see how you go. Can lead to full time adoption if it suits. You will have to jump through a few hoops. But as said a lot of these dogs have issues often being from abused or neglected homes. Ours is a bit psychotic and neurotic but never had any concerns about biting or attacking. Appears she may have been abused as a pup. Often these groups will specify no children or older children, no other dogs etc. If I was you I would consider an older dog as your first if you dont want to go through the puppy stage. Vet costs are also a big consideration. Rescue dogs are not free and on average will cost you at least $400 to get one.
Any working dog will require a huge yard and lots of exercise.
Staffies are great companion dogs and great inside dogs, but as said may not like cats (though ours used to sleep together).
Labs are great as well.
But depends you may want a handbag dog like a miniature Poodle (each to their own) and they are not a bad dog, I just personally dont like yappers.
Good luck with your choice.

[PhilipA]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/pets/we-need-to-ban-dangerous-dogs/news-story/ea3e065fe3b814d0a30a2947035e854c

In answer to "absolute rubbish"

American Pit Bull are the most dangerous dog .

[mick88]

Good onya mate,
dogs are great companions and especially rescue dogs, seem to be so loyal and appreciative of the life you have offered them.
Most dogs live ten plus years and some as much as twenty, so think about what, where, when, and how you (and your dog)
will be doing in fifteen years time. Some dogs stress like hell when there is a thunder storm, so that can be an issue if you are
not home when a storm rolls in. Dogs eat, and dogs crap, so you might have to get busy with the shovel every now and again
and shift a few "landmines" or "barkers eggs". Male dogs like taking a leak to mark the boundaries of their turf, and part of that
might even be your Land Rover's wheels. ;)
If you are going away on holidays, there is always the dog to consider, however there is plenty of pet friendly accommodation
available if you are holidaying within Australia.
Working breeds are hardy and active, so need exercise, left in a small back yard a bored Kelpie might take the washing of the
clothes line, then dig a hole bury it all for you, just for something to do. As working dogs they are used to covering thirty or
forty kays a day, so sunbaking is not their thing, but take them for a good walk or run several days a week and they are happy.
We have two rescued dogs, a terrier and an ACD (cattle dog) and they are fantastic.
Pet ownership is a big responsibility and a total commitment, that sometimes never get's thought through enough, so six months
down the track unfortunately the unwanted animal ends up back in a shelter.

Give it plenty of thought, then go for it if you think it's for you.
There are lots of great pets out there that need a good loving home.

Cheers, Mick.

[CraigE]

German shepherd, pit bulls, rottweiler: Dangerous dogs should be banned (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/pets/we-need-to-ban-dangerous-dogs/news-story/ea3e065fe3b814d0a30a2947035e854c)

In answer to "absolute rubbish"

American Pit Bull are the most dangerous dog .

Now some facts.
So now you are quoting a media article based on opinion?? The author is also not a dog lover but a cat lover. This is opinion and to be factual American Pit Bulls were not originally bred for fighting, they were never bred for that, they were bred for baiting bears, bulls etc that is why the name Pit Bull came about. The problem was idiots used them for fightingThere are no verified stats quoted in that entire article.
Do a bit of research on actual stats and it is quite different.
Australia does not keep very good records on dog attacks and in most cases has absolutely no verification on the breed. This is the major problem and why the Staffordshire appeared at the top of the list for so long and was incorrectly maligned. Not one of these so called attacks was verified.
I have researched this extensively over the years, due to the Staffy being maligned (as is the Pit Bull often).
When you report an attack you do not have to verify in any way the breed, if you say it was a Staffy that is what it goes down as and is accepted as fact, you say it was a Pit Bull that is what it goes down as. Could be a poodle or a labrador. I have taken Rangers to task over this several times when they start quoting this crap and proven on all occasions these so called Rangers )Dog experts) cant tell a Staffy from a English Bully, to an Amstaff, to a pit Bull, to a cross breed, to a labrador, to a cattle dog. Have had my pure bred Staffies called a Pit Bull by more than one of these clowns. Also what is classified as an attack here in Australia is BS, a dog only has to run to a gate for it to be classified as an attack, no contact needed, dog does not have to be aggressive, does not have to bite, bear teeth or make contact.
The biggest issue any big dog attacks it will do damage.

These are the facts 1995-2011 and are fact not media myth.
The four most popular Registered Pure-bred dogs according to the Australian National Kennel Council) were: Labrador Retriever (8.3%), German Shepherd (6.3%), Staffordshire Bull Terrier (5.9%) and Golden Retriever (4.8%) in eighth place is the Rottweilers (2.4%).
Breeds involved in human deaths were: Rottweiler (4), Siberian Husky (1), Cattle Dog (1), Rottweiler X German Shepherd (1), Dingo X Labrador (1), Pit Bull X Mastiff (1), Great Dane X Mastiff (1), Great Dane X Bull Terrier (1), Medium size mixed breed (3), Large mixed breed (3) and Giant Mixed Breed (11) including Greyhounds, Mastiffs and Irish Wolfhounds.

Australia has an estimated dog population of 3,400,000 and an average of 1.1 fatalities per year (33 over the last 30 years), equating to one death per 3,090,909 dogs. (as of 2011)
Now the Bull terrier cross breeds would likely be in the large mixed breed maybe, but bear in mind this would include all 6 bull terrier cross breeds and any other large cross breed.

Because the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) is not recognised as an official breed in Australia it isn't included in the statistics. It is believed that there are nearly 70,000 Pure-bred, registered “Pit Bull Types” (Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Bull Terrier & Bull Terrier) currently in Australia. Add to this number the unregistered 'pit bulls' and cross breeds and the numbers could be much higher. (What annoys me the most with this is they are all rather different temperaments and there are 6 plus breeds put in this bracket)
It is believed that the American Staffordshire bull terrier (9,000 pure bred and 34,000 mixed breeds) is replacing the banned pit bull breeds such as the APBT.
The relatively low rate of one fatality per year in Australia makes extrapolation of these statistics useless.
In the US this figure is higher, but ownership is around 9% of all dogs and many are kept as guard, fighting and hunting dogs.
Even in Australia where we know there have been a few Pit Bull related deaths (most have been from Hunting Dogs).
The later stats are not available yet. A lot of the so called Pit Bulls that have attacked have actually turned out to be Bull Mastiff's or Cross Breeds and even then very low numbers. You just here it more in the media as sensationalism is achieved with the words "Pit Bull", you here very little when it is a Shepherd, Cattle Dog etc
I am certainly not saying they cannot attack and or kill, they can, but no more than most other breeds and that is fact.
Within the research I have done I am only able to confirm that 1 Staffordshire has killed 1 person and even that was not confirmed by DNA testing to confirm the breed since records have been kept.

There have been approx 25 dog related deaths in Australia since 2000 (stats after 2011 are difficult to substantiate) to 2017 total so on average not even 2 a year, put that in perspective with the number of dogs.

Some more fun facts:
Male dogs are 6.2 times more likely to bite.
Undesexed dogs 2.6 times more likely to bite.
Chained or restrained dogs 2.8 times more likely to bite.
Most dog bites involve kids under 15yo.

It is really only the last 2 or 3 years that verification has started to occur and this is in only the most severe attacks. Until we get real stats including verification of breeding either through DNA or breeders registration this will all just be propaganda and pointless. The only country that has kept accurate stats over the last 30 years or so is Germany and as breed popularity changes so are attack stats. If you look at the German stats up until about 2008 all breeds of bull terrier and bulldog combined (about 12 breeds on came in at #6).
As said I have had and been around English Staffies, Amstaffs and even Pit Bulls for the last 35 odd years and have not been bitten by any of them (apart from playing and not actually biting as such) but have been bitten by a Schnauzer (4 stitches above the right eye), A ****zu (no stitches but deep gash with teeth marks), 2 Malteese Terriers puncture wounds and 3 Chihuahuas. These dogs show much more aggression than most Bull Terriers.
The hype this has created has given people irrational fear of some breeds to the point an idiot cop over here shot a dog that was showing no signs of agression and actually sat down for him wagging its tail.

Ok and to add a bit more in that 10 year odd period to 2011 animals that killed the most:
Horses 77 deaths - maybe we should ban these
Cattle 33 deaths
Dogs 25-27 deaths (most children under 4 or elderly sadly and why you should not leave kids with dogs). Dogs will also have the most interaction
Kangaroos 18 deaths
Bees 16 deaths - likely more
Sharks 16 deaths
Snakes 14
Emus 5
and then to put it into perspective fatalities on road (Road users vehicle, cyclist, pedestrian) and only 2002-2011 so add another 2 years to these figures 15,315 people killed and all preventable.

[Gordie]

Interesting facts there thanks Craig. I glean from that, that I will not only need a German Shepherd, but a male one, extra bitey...cool. Been burgled once too many times...the male dog can help collect some of the thieving bastards DNA. [thumbsupbig]

[CraigE]

Interesting facts there thanks Craig. I glean from that, that I will not only need a German Shepherd, but a male one, extra bitey...cool. Been burgled once too many times...the male dog can help collect some of the thieving bastards DNA. [thumbsupbig]
You had better get a Rottweiler, a Mastiff, 6 x Pit Bulls and a variety of Bull Terriers just to be sure as well.
Just a bit over people quoting bad and incorrect statistics and taking them as fact because they are in a report.
Any animal can and will turn, it is just the damage they can do.
I think I will just get a pet croc, then when it eats people it will be acceptable as it is what it does.

[jonesfam]

OK, we've talked Eevo out of getting a dog!
What's next?

[CraigE]

OK, we've talked Eevo out of getting a dog!
What's next?
I can sell him an aggressive Galah that will rip his arms off if he doesnt give it a beer.

[trog]

Hmm , I am trying to get my little parakeet trained to get my beer but the damned little critter is only interested in his food. Maybe the talking orca that was on the news would be better ?

[scarry]

OK, we've talked Eevo out of getting a dog!
What's next?

Goldfish?

Low maintenance,no need to interact with,not very demanding,never barks unnecessarily,and no warm smelly things to accidentally stand in while wandering around the back yard.[bigwhistle]

[Eevo]

Goldfish?

Low maintenance,no need to interact with,not very demanding,never barks unnecessarily,and no warm smelly things to accidentally stand in while wandering around the back yard.[bigwhistle]

but can it play fetch?

[trog]

but can it play fetch?

Maybe without being too creepy or worse , you can play fetch with the little kids at the playground?
Or learn the yo yo , they always return

[scarry]

but can it play fetch?

No worries at all,a bit of training and all will be good[biggrin]

When I was a kid we had a pet wedge tailed eagle.She used to play fetch with a cricket ball.

[Gordie]

When I was a kid we had a pet wedge tailed eagle..Whaaat! That must be one of the coolest pets I have heard of!!

[PhilipA]

You know a Galah can live 80 years so if you got one it has to be written into your will.

Regards Philip A

[scarry]

Whaaat! That must be one of the coolest pets I have heard of!!

Sure was,she had leather Jessies around her legs that were attached to a 2.5m heavy duty dog chain that was attached to a cable about 20m long that ran along the ground,and a perch at one end.The chain would run along the line.

She was fully grown when we got her,still very young,had been brought up in captivity so couldn’t be released into the wild.

She broke the line one day,late in the arvo,and flew over the power lines,the dog chain got tangled in the power lines,and blacked out the suburb.Somehow she survived and landed on the roof of a house,and was caught once it got dark.Their eyesight is very poor at night.

We still have some bits of the melted dog chain.

Apologise to the OP for going off topic......[biggrin]

[CraigE]

You know a Galah can live 80 years so if you got one it has to be written into your will.

Regards Philip A
Yeah LOL, I have told my 17 yo son that as it is actually his. Only about 4 years old atm. The bugger likes a beer, and waits for a sip of Heineken loves it, gets a bit upset when it is Corona or Carlton Dry. Gets upset if I dont give him a sip.

[Eevo]

it followed me home. i swear

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[pop058]

it followed me home. i swear

135907

Cool, more details please [bigsmile1]

[Eevo]

1 year 7 months old. kelpie cross something.

shes a prosecution dog. the courts handed her over to the rspca.
shes very nervous. on anxiety meds at the moment

old name was summer. shelter called her star. i get to come up with a new name. i like summer, but it might of been used in anger. i'm thinking ember. not sure.

she had pups a few weeks ago and was only desexed a few days ago. she's still got stitches


shes not very good with other dogs or people yet. and she doesnt know how to play with toys.

she sort of understands sit. so i'll take her though dog school.



so got her this arvo, drove her home, had a good sniff and a run around the back yard. had a poop, a drink, and and a lie down. we came inside. she was very anxious coming inside. made it into the back room a few times before retreating. i let her take her time. im in the lounge and let her find her way to me. shes now having a nap inside.

[Gordie]

Good on you mate. Hope she enjoys a long happy life with you. Lovely to see a rescued abused animal, fall into good hands.

[pop058]

Good on you for your choice. These are the ones that need to be rescued and loved, and kelpies are magic puppies.

Nan has one that we rescued from a farmer as he (Rusty) was considered as unsuitable as a working dog.

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[bblaze]

wonder if she is crossed with a pixie, certainly got erect ears. She will need uncondional love
cheers
blaze

[CraigE]

1 year 7 months old. kelpie cross something.

shes a prosecution dog. the courts handed her over to the rspca.
shes very nervous. on anxiety meds at the moment

old name was summer. shelter called her star. i get to come up with a new name. i like summer, but it might of been used in anger. i'm thinking ember. not sure.

she had pups a few weeks ago and was only desexed a few days ago. she's still got stitches


shes not very good with other dogs or people yet. and she doesnt know how to play with toys.

she sort of understands sit. so i'll take her though dog school.



so got her this arvo, drove her home, had a good sniff and a run around the back yard. had a poop, a drink, and and a lie down. we came inside. she was very anxious coming inside. made it into the back room a few times before retreating. i let her take her time. im in the lounge and let her find her way to me. shes now having a nap inside.

On ya mate well done. Look after her and spoil her a bit until she trusts your completely. Our Amstaff was the same when we got her and still has some psychological scars from the previous owner. If told off in a loud voice will still occasionally pee herself, but they do need a firm instruction from time to time.

[CraigE]

Oh and wait till she takes over your bed.[thumbsupbig]

[andrew.morris1]

Re name

Nor sure how much dogs can understand words, so re-using old name Summer may not be an issue

But they do pick up your non verbal communication.

If shes anxious by nature and has just been weaned, desexed and re-homed, then a reassuring demeanour from you will be quite important.

Keep your voice tone positive reassuring and smooth.
Any discipline required may only require a low pitched "growl". Watch the tail and ears. If they show submission to a reprimand then thats as far as you go. Follow quickly with some positive reinforcement as soon as warranted.

They dont understand words! Hence to have have best effect all positive and negative reinforcement needs to be immaediately and consistent.

They do like strong leadership. Be firm.

Most of all; it's a relationship. Learn to read dog body language and the rest will flow.

[Ancient Mariner]

Re name

Nor sure how much dogs can understand words, so re-using old name Summer may not be an issue

But they do pick up your non verbal communication.

If shes anxious by nature and has just been weaned, desexed and re-homed, then a reassuring demeanour from you will be quite important.

Keep your voice tone positive reassuring and smooth.
Any discipline required may only require a low pitched "growl". Watch the tail and ears. If they show submission to a reprimand then thats as far as you go. Follow quickly with some positive reinforcement as soon as warranted.

They dont understand words! Hence to have have best effect all positive and negative reinforcement needs to be immaediately and consistent.

They do like strong leadership. Be firm.

Most of all; it's a relationship. Learn to read dog body language and the rest will flow.
You need to spend more time with your dog

AM

[Eevo]

so last night i went out to get some dog supplies, left her for an hour.
found her out the front when i got back. she had used a small bin as a stepping stone to get over the fence. bin now removed.

took her for a small walk last night. some people said walk her, others said it would be too early. so i did a small walk, 600m. she was a bit too distracted to sit and the walk was a tug of war, continually pulling but she did stop on command.

after walk she got fed. ate her biscuits and meds. i think eating is a good sign

she had a freakout and barked the house down after i changed my t-shirt. took her a minute to calm down.

also anyone knocking on the front door freaks her out. not sure if this is learned behavior or it was just too loud for her.

i went to bed and she slept on the floor next to the bed. unfortunately i was too stressed to sleep. 230am I took a sleeping tablet.

7am she wakes me up. i let her out the back door and shes goes the toilet. she gets praised and a handful of biscuits. i leave her outside. after 5min, she pawing and whimpering at the door. so she cant be left alone yet. i let her in and i go back to bed. she sleeps next to the bed again.

10am i get up. shes a bit nervous with me having a shower. had to leave the door open. i gave her a hardened meat bone treat thingie but shes not interested in it.

today im working from home. she spends most of her time next to be lying down, occasionally getting up for a sniff around the room or a pat.

i've called two dog trainers, neither work mondays.

she appears to to be improving slightly.
whereas im getting more and more stressed.

[pop058]

A slow process and good training ( for you ) when you have kids [biggrin]

[Eevo]

A slow process and good training ( for you ) when you have kids [biggrin]

no kids for me. i got snipped 7 years ago.

[loanrangie]

My mums scottie was very timid like that as she was rescued from a puppy farm at 4yo, now after about 6 months she is so lively and runs to the door to greet people.
So she just needs time to adjust and understand that you are good.

[Tins]

Whelping, being separated from her pups, getting spayed, being re-homed by the sound of it at least twice in such a short period of time is going to be a traumatic experience for any dog. It's a good thing that she is so young. Love her, be gentle but firm, remember that YOU are the boss.

Find a GOOD obedience training school. If you are not used to dogs, then you need training as much as she does. The added benefit is that dogs need to 'socialise' with other dogs, and school is one of the best ways to begin this. It also cures the tug of war thing.

I envy you. The love and companionship a dog brings is priceless.

[Homestar]

Eevo, 2 of our rescues were so scared of all humans when we adopted them, they wouldn't come near us for a week. They are both now very affectionate dogs, but it didn't happen overnight. The fact she wants to be with you is a good start, you'll just need to give her time, be consistant and give her plenty of attention and time - she will come good. Our first Pug was from a puppy farm -didn't like guys at all for a long time - I think it was 3 months before she would let me pat her - now she comes barreling up to sit on my lap.

When presented with a good home, dogs will eventually forget most of the bad bits. Keep doing what you're doing.

[scarry]

What Homestar said^^^^^^^^i can't add anymore

Slow and steady,with patience, wins the race.

And as for training,it is ongoing for the dogs life,but you must be consistent,and firm.

It won't take long for her to work out you are the boss,and she will work out where she stands with you and your family.

But first you have to give her a week or so to settle down and see how things are at your place.

Her world has been tipped upside down,so she needs time to settle down.

[hodgo]

Best of luck with your new dog I know from experience that a dog is like a young child let run loose with no training they are trouble. What time and love you put into any animal will be returned 10 fold I am not going to give advice its all been said in previous post, any dog will recognise any love and affection given to it.

Hodgo

[Eevo]

i locked her inside while i went to cfs training. she broke a window and escaped.

ive spent the last 2 hours looking. ive searched where we walked today and yesterday and all the streets 800m from my place.

ive let the council know.

i feel horrible and exhausted.

[Eevo]

she's been found.
she was found less then an hour after i left, so im guessing she tried to follow me. she was found about 200m from cfs.

i dont think i can deal with this.

[CraigE]

she's been found.
she was found less then an hour after i left, so im guessing she tried to follow me. she was found about 200m from cfs.

i dont think i can deal with this.

Broke a window wow. Maybe lock her in the laundry when you are out. With a bed, food and one of your worn t shirts. Will take a bit of time for her to feel secure and comfortable you are actually coming back.

[Zeros]

Sounds like she loves you already and wants to be with you...great! As above she'll take time to settle, to know you're coming back. Sometimes we come home to find our rescue pup shaking because he was scared we wouldn't come home. We think he was left for long periods. He's getting much better and he knows our routines now. He's a red healer x staffie. Very affectionate.

[discorevy]

Can't you take her with you , get a friend to come round , drop her at a friends etc ,until she gets through the separation anxiety?, that's why she freaks when you changed your t shirt and had a shower , she knows those things are what people do before they leave. You've left her alone too early , she needs time and probably a visit to a dog / human trainer. It might be difficult for the first few weeks but progress will be golden .

[bblaze]

my malli destroyed the back door of the house the first time I left him home alone, has escape a few times (put your mobile number on his collar, makes reuniting easier). Ha was also a rescue dog. Still does like to be left but just sulks now
cheers
blaze

[hodgo]

A lot more good advice passed on to you, and I will add a little more. When you go out leave a radio on a talk back show may be the best so she / he can hear human voices

[DoubleChevron]

I'm glad you don't have kids there. I don't trust anxious/scared dogs. They can bite/snap when scared ( a lot of kids will not "read" a dog to see they are terrified and back off). I bet it calms down quickly now its in a stable home.... er .... working dog though..... Its going to DESTROY EVERYTHING LOL ... I **** you not. my brother got a blue healer once, it even dug up the water systems (followed them around the yard and dug them up to chew them). [bigsmile] Lots of exercise ................................... Makes them fitter..... so doesn't slow the destruction [bigrolf] working dogs can run all day ... and love it.

THe best dog we have ever had (nothing else has even come remotely close). was a rottweiler .... ( a lot of people are terrified when you just say that dog breed). Only she was a cross ... with a Rhodesion Ridgeback ... so bigger than a Rottie. I trusted her anywhere with anyone. She wasn't scared of a thing... which means she NEVER snapped, never growled, never felt threatened. The only time she ever scared me was when she was quite old ... laying under a tree at the local playground with the kids. Suddenly she leapt up and went hurtling through the playground ... and over to the edge (bushland) with all her heckles up (I'd never seen them up in all the years we'd had her). She ran straight upto someone that had just emerged from the bush... Stop a meter short of him and let out the most petrifying snarl. I absolutely **** myself ... She had never even growled at another dog in the 10years we had owned her... and now I was positive she was going to kill somoene infront of me before I could even stand up. The guy screamed and ran back into the bush in fright. as he ran away I saw he was carrying a crossbow and a quiver of arrows.

You could tell just looking at him... He had serious metal problems. How the hell could the dog tell this from a long way off ?? Once he'd ran off she went back and layed next to the kids between between him and them.

Don't let anyone tell you dogs are stupid. They "sense" things we completely miss.

[Eevo]

Sounds like she loves you already and wants to be with you...great!

thats what makes this all harder.

[Eevo]

she needs time and probably a visit to a dog / human trainer
we had a trainer booked in for friday. the trainer said it would be ok to lock her inside.



When you go out leave a radio on a talk back show may be the best so she / he can hear human voices
yes, that was done.



i feel horrible and that ive made things worse for her. i surrender her this arvo. im tears. i'm not cut out for this.

[Eevo]

i hate myself for what ive done.

[DoubleChevron]

i hate myself for what ive done.

Mate ... we have surrended two dogs now. Simply because we ended up with young children and I didn't trust the dogs not to snap at the toddlers.

You have to do what is right for you. I suggest getting a young puppy you socialise and look after. That way you know its history. I don't even want to think about how badly some of those rescue dogs have been treated in the past.

We could now do that as our kids are all older than 5years, so any puppy that is bought home should be ok. It's introducing new members of the family into the "home pack" that was the issue. And I simply didn't trust the dogs we had at the time to be ok around babies.

As I said above, I just can't bring myself to ever trust a dog that is easily "scared". They will bite/snap out of fright. (not because they are vicious). We had a fox terrior when we were kids that just turned up at our house (we assume it was dumped at the local tip). We trusted it so much, we locked it away if there was ever visitors at our house. It was perfectly fine with us. but trusted no-one, and you guarantee it would bit any kids that thought they could "play with the little dog".

seeya,
Shane L.

[discorevy]

Nah, all you've done is tried to give a home to a rescue dog , it doesn't always work out, I wouldn't let it put you off , you just need maybe an older dog or a pup ( less than 3 months old) or at the least one that's more relaxed, she'll find the right owner . ask the shelter for one that has a relaxed demeanour, and get a trainer willing to come and appraise you and the dog before they give advice.
Re , working dogs , I've had them for nearly 40 years and as long as they have plenty physical and mental stimulus they will be great , they don't belong in a suburban back yard with nothing to do all day, of course they'll do what they can to destroy stuff it gives them something to do as well as the added bonus of getting attention, ( even the wrong sort is better than none in their eyes) they are incredibly smart creatures that can easily be driven nuts just the same as us in solitary confinement.
The worst thing is having to say goodbye , my last girl was unbelievable , she passed away over 5 years ago now and I still miss her bad every day even though I have another brilliant one sitting next to me as I write this.
You'll be right Eevo

[Homestar]

You've done the right thing handing her back early rather than letting it drag out and making it more stressful for you and the dog. She sounded like a handful for a first time owner, so don't beat yourself up about it. You had a go, and that's awesome. Whether you decide to try another dog later or not, at least you'll know you gave it a shot. 👍

[BMKal]

What Homestar said X2. [wink11]

Good on you for having a go Eevo, and good on you for having the balls to take the tough decision when you realised it wasn't working. You are doing the best thing for the dog.

Don't let it put you off having another go though - just try to find a dog that is better suited to your circumstances.

[scarry]

What Homestar said X2. [wink11]

Good on you for having a go Eevo, and good on you for having the balls to take the tough decision when you realised it wasn't working. You are doing the best thing for the dog.

Don't let it put you off having another go though - just try to find a dog that is better suited to your circumstances.

Exactly.
With the right dog you will be fine.

We have always bought dogs as pups,and pure bred.
We can then train them as we want,and we know what type of dog they will be,once grown up.
Just the way we have done it over the years
The pup shouldn't have any 'history',so we know exactly what we are getting.

Everyone is different, and many have re homes,and they are fantastic,or get older dogs.
Some people don't want the trouble of having a pup.

In fact i was talking to a guy yesterday who has been a dog handler with the correctional services dog squad for over 40yrs.He has an attack and a sniffer dog at all times,so as you can imagine has had many dogs,and knows a bit about them.
The best dog he ever had was an 18month old re homed German shorthaired pointer.He got her from the pound.
She was in service for 10yrs before being retired,a long time for any dog to be in service.

If you have another go,i hope it works out,dogs are wonderfull companions.

[67hardtop]

....

If you have another go,i hope it works out,dogs are wonderfull companions.

They sure arehttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/232.jpg

Cheers Rod

[barney]

not keen on a Greyhound.

neither was I until I got one, we have three now.
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They have just as much personality as any other dog, they can be sooky, don't need a lot of exercise, ours get on with our younger pup, the cat, the birds and even the rescue possums and the 4 Rabbits we have.
They are mostly quiet too.
You can foster one for 6 weeks from Greyhounds as Pets to see how you go, it will also help the dog adjust to life in a house.

[PhilipA]

I like them too.
But they are a bugger on your lap.
All elbows and knees.
My daughter has 2 whippets which are similar but smaller scale.
They love to run FAST unlike rescued Greyhounds generally which seem to like to just laze around.

Regards Philip A

[barney]

^ yeah, they are a bit boney, My boy Ernie (often pictured in GAP ads reclining on a park bench) gets cold in winter. last night he started nosing the top of my doona, I lifted it up and he goes tunnelling down to the bottom of the bed, under the doona and goes to sleep. they really pump out some heat. Just as well he doesn't fart much, because that was up the head end.
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