Velar at a motor show.

[rammypluge]

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Why did they make it have almost no suspension flex?

LR really know how to manipulate people.

[Tins]

Link is broken.

[Disco-tastic]

It isn't broken for me, but it's a closed group.

[rick130]

It's a fashion/design statement that can go to the snow.

It's not designed for off road use in the way we think of off road, it's riding on 22" wheels and doesn't even have low range.
When I first saw one in the metal driving in Canberra the wheel size was what really grabbed my attention, it's a highway and byways vehicle, i'd be scared to take it on a gravel road.

[p38arover]

Post this in the Velar area? https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l560-range-rover-velar/

[rammypluge]

Sorry, i looked, but didnt think to look in the Range Rover topic area, i thought there wasnt a category fir the velar yet.

It looks good. I bet its nice inside. It just cuts me up that a company that i admired has become fake. Sure, make the Velar, but dont market it as an offroader, you are misleading, deceiving people.

I met a couple recently driving a disco sport on a mild offroad track in the high country. Mainly just steep dirt. They looked new to it. Its inevitable they simultaneously learnt what it is capable of, a positive, and what it is not capable of, the negative.

I hope for their sake they didnt damage it or come away disappointed. I hope they had realistic expectations. I hope they werent disappointed if they got anxious or had to turn away or back from places they wanted to explore. If they did the other tracks we did, it would have become very secondhand, very, very quickly.

[Disco-tastic]

Its a very nice car that, like the DS and even the D3/4/5 is more capable than people initially realise due to the tech behind it.

Yes, it's the least capable of the Land Rover lineup, but it's still more capable than you'd think - you have to be willing to scratch it to test its limits, which is something that can be said for the discoveries too.

[rammypluge]

If i stole a disco sport and was being chased by the cops i could get it through almost any track. But the owner wouldnt be wanting it back.

[Disco-tastic]

If i stole a disco sport and was being chased by the cops i could get it through almost any track. But the owner wouldnt be wanting it back.Haha I've heard a story about an old Camry getting a fair bit further than you'd think. They got it out too.

But that's not what I meant.

[PhilipA]

It seems to me that Land Rover are trying to do a VW/AUDI thing in having the Velar/Fpace and now the Evoque /Epace.
What next the GPace /Range Rover?

Regards Philip A

[BobD]

Have a look at the GOE web site and you will see an off road test of the Velar carried out by Gordon in November on a steel sprung version. He was quite impressed but as with the DS and Evoque ground clearance is the problem. With the air suspension option it would better, with more ground clearance at off road height.

[rammypluge]

I recall the original Rav4 being derived somehow from the Corolla platform, and i was told the Grand Vitara is derived from the Swift! The Jeep Cherokee or is it the Renegade is derived from a Fiat hatchback! So, i reckon the Honda CRV was based off a Honda Accord.

So, i hazard the following sequence of derivation......

Honda Accord -> Honda CRV -> LR Freelander 1 -> LR Freelander 2 -> Evoque -> Disco Sport

Funnily enough, my first car was a 1978 Honda Accord. I couldnt afford a Range Rover, but little did i know that i had nevertheless purchased one of its forebears, one of its grandfathers as such. Who would have thought? Who would have been more than flabbergasted, unimpressed, and disbelieving in the extreme at such a thought?!?

[rammypluge]

Have a look at the GOE web site and you will see an off road test of the Velar carried out by Gordon in November on a steel sprung version. He was quite impressed but as with the DS and Evoque ground clearance is the problem. With the air suspension option it would better, with more ground clearance at off road height.I cant help but see this comment as typical of the rot that is setting it. I took my Amarok through the high country recently and while it did it without incident, it really would have been better to have low range. I might retrofit. But, at least i had big tyres, heaps of flex, a rear diff lock, significant and enough ground clearance, solid front bashplate, etc, none of which the velar has.

The velar is just an audi quattro with a squidge more ground clearance, or pretty much a ford territory. Do you go around saying, well, the ford territory is actually not bad offroad.........

Look at all the attributes of the 2 door RRC. The velar has so very, very few of them.

[101RRS]

The velar is just an audi quattro with a squidge more ground clearance, or pretty much a ford territory. Do you go around saying, well, the ford territory is actually not bad offroad.........

The Velar is actually a Jaguar F Pace - and is not designed for hard core offroad use - is designed to get you to your Swiss Alps chalet in the middle of winter on iced up main roads - like most of the European softroaders.

LR is just providing customers with options - if you want a proper offroader at the moment then you buy a D5, a RRS or a RR. If you dont want that but need to go to places like your chalet then you buy a Velar, Evoque etc

Too easy.

Garry

[rammypluge]

I see, so that is why they are displaying it driving over moguls?

[Disco-tastic]

I see, so that is why they are displaying it driving over moguls?They show it because it can do it.

Why do you care?

You Amarok is far from stock, and is designed as a utility vehicle. Why are you comparing it to a velar?

I saw a video of a Kia Sorrento doing hells gate in Moab. I wouldn't have thought it was able. But apparently it was, crunching of the rear bumper aside.

KIA Sorento Attempts Hell's Gate in Moab - YouTube (https://youtu.be/4WjpzubCoBo)

[Vern]

Can the next person that mentions vw amarok be kicked off this site? Even of its me? Hmmm may be i should

[101RRS]

I see, so that is why they are displaying it driving over moguls?

Are they - where is that??

[Lockee]

Velar is great Offroad. Remember what the actual market is for them.

Very capable.

If LR only built what is enthusiasts wanted they would of disappeared by now.

Velar Evoke and Disco Sports are best sellers now

[rammypluge]

Are they - where is that??First post

[101RRS]

First post

So you didn't read the following posts that indicated that link does not work - just takes you to a join Facebook page.

This is all you get .

135950

[rammypluge]

Went to MtBuller recently. Velar would look good there. Mountain bikes on the roof or a towbar thingy.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/190.jpg

[Disco-tastic]

The Velar looks good everywhere. :)

[rammypluge]

So you didn't read the following posts that indicated that link does not work - just takes you to a join Facebook page.

This is all you get .

135950Yeah, but what do you want me to do? You can join the fb if interested.

I guess i could search for it elsewhere on the net, but im not sure if i will find it, and you could search yourself if interested or wanting to work as a team member.

[rammypluge]

The Velar looks good everywhere. :)It would carve up that windy tarmac to mt buller like a pro skier.

[rammypluge]

Velar Evoke and Disco Sports are best sellers now

Interesting.

I sat in a disco sport briefly and it seemed very comfortable and bigger inside than outside.

[101RRS]

Yeah, but what do you want me to do? You can join the fb if interested.

I guess i could search for it elsewhere on the net, but im not sure if i will find it, and you could search yourself if interested or wanting to work as a team member.

Well there is no point is posting something that many/most people on here cannot read - as indicated by the early posts about link broken/ cannot read etc.

Anyway LR has to move with the times and produce products that appeal to the widest range of customers. If it stayed with the old RRC and Series style of vehicles it would have been dead years ago. More people are interested in LR as town cars than offroaders and LR needs to address this - the Freelander was the best selling LR and the best selling 4wd in Europe in the late 90s early 2000s - in Aust about 10 years ago the RRS was outselling the D3 so I think LR has their product mix for the SUV/Offroad market but it is missing out on the sedan market so I would expect to see some Jaguars being rebadged and restyled as Landrovers in the future - just as they did with the Velar.

If you dont like the direction LR (remember the company is actually Jaguar Land Rover) is taking then well .............

[Vern]

I can't read it either, its a closed group.

[rammypluge]

Can the next person that mentions vw amarok be kicked off this site? Even of its me? Hmmm may be i shouldYou need to get over your ex Verny. No-one else can do that for you.

[hiker]

Interesting.

I sat in a disco sport briefly and it seemed very comfortable and bigger inside than outside.

We have a new DS (traded the Evoque) and are very happy - its a Tardis - heaps of rear legroom and the back seats recline - beautiful! - we've got the 5 seater so have a full sized spare.

180 Diesel engine is very quiet and the 9 speed box is fantastic - just remember it's 'gear hunt' not 'turbo lag' - easy on the throttle!

Also, the media system now plays folders from a USB - at long last we can have a big USB with all our music in folders - bliss!

Test drove the Velar before we settled on the DS - we came away feeling that the Velar is just a bigger, swankier Evoque - aimed at city 'suits' and WAGS.

[Lockee]

Velar this weekend for Land Rover Experience

[Lockee]

Velar this weekend for Land Rover Experience

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/270.jpg

[rammypluge]

The bodyshape and packaging is a tad different to a defender isnt it? Interesting comparison.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/275.jpg

[rick130]

Can the next person that mentions vw amarok be kicked off this site? Even of its me? Hmmm may be i should[emoji23][emoji23]

No Damo, you're not allowed to leave!

[martnH]

Well there is no point is posting something that many/most people on here cannot read - as indicated by the early posts about link broken/ cannot read etc.

Anyway LR has to move with the times and produce products that appeal to the widest range of customers. If it stayed with the old RRC and Series style of vehicles it would have been dead years ago. More people are interested in LR as town cars than offroaders and LR needs to address this - the Freelander was the best selling LR and the best selling 4wd in Europe in the late 90s early 2000s - in Aust about 10 years ago the RRS was outselling the D3 so I think LR has their product mix for the SUV/Offroad market but it is missing out on the sedan market so I would expect to see some Jaguars being rebadged and restyled as Landrovers in the future - just as they did with the Velar.

If you dont like the direction LR (remember the company is actually Jaguar Land Rover) is taking then well .............You are 100% right about the future strategy of land rover.
It is also outlined in their brand image strategy.
The CEO stated Jaguar land rover is in "transition period" and it's main goal is maximize potential customers.
Such as the evoque designed to be appealing to female drivers

If one ever talk to a new land rover owner, you will soon realize the difference. It was surprising to me to find out the the defender is actually damaging the brand image land rover is trying to build.

I was told once that my defender doesn't look like a "land rover".

[Lockee]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/02/300.jpg

View over the Velar Bonnet today

[rick130]

You are 100% right about the future strategy of land rover.
It is also outlined in their brand image strategy.
The CEO stated Jaguar land rover is in "transition period" and it's main goal is maximize potential customers.
Such as the evoque designed to be appealing to female drivers

If one ever talk to a new land rover owner, you will soon realize the difference. It was surprising to me to find out the the defender is actually damaging the brand image land rover is trying to build.

I was told once that my defender doesn't look like a "land rover".

Ford/PAG were trying to get rid of the Defender 15 years ago!
It didn't fit in with a luxury brand image, yet look what MB have done with the G-Wagen.

That last sentence is a killer though, wow.

[Vern]

You need to get over your ex Verny. No-one else can do that for you.What?

[Graeme]

View over the Velar Bonnet todayCan it do with a Llams kit to keep the suspension up, even half-way to stay away from the bump-stops? The current RRS/RR kit will plug in and should work with just a calibration.

[Lockee]

Can it do with a Llams kit to keep the suspension up, even half-way to stay away from the bump-stops? The current RRS/RR kit will plug in and should work with just a calibration.

Doubt it Graeme as it works more like Jeep Air suspension in being topped out at off Road height

[Graeme]

Off-road height at slower speeds will be the full OR2 height, only lowering to the lesser OR1 height above the speed threshold. Llams provides OR1 height at any speed and therefore may make gravel road more comfortable if OR1 is a good compromise between extra bump-stop clearance and full off-road height.

[rammypluge]

It would take a chunk of money and time, and there still wouldnt be much load volume, but a Velar tricked out for serious offroading would probably look very, very cool. It would have major grin fun factor, and serious one upmanship at Aspen.

[SBD4]

So, i hazard the following sequence of derivation......

Honda Accord -> Honda CRV -> LR Freelander 1 -> LR Freelander 2 -> Evoque -> Disco Sport

That is stretching reality a bit far don't you think? You were put straight about this in another thread.


Funnily enough, my first car was a 1978 Honda Accord. I couldnt afford a Range Rover, but little did i know that i had nevertheless purchased one of its forebears, one of its grandfathers as such. Who would have thought? Who would have been more than flabbergasted, unimpressed, and disbelieving in the extreme at such a thought?!?
Oh gawd, what rubbish.


I cant help but see this comment as typical of the rot that is setting it. I took my Amarok through the high country recently and while it did it without incident, it really would have been better to have low range. I might retrofit. But, at least i had big tyres, heaps of flex, a rear diff lock, significant and enough ground clearance, solid front bashplate, etc, none of which the velar has.

The velar is just an audi quattro with a squidge more ground clearance, or pretty much a ford territory. Do you go around saying, well, the ford territory is actually not bad offroad.........

Look at all the attributes of the 2 door RRC. The velar has so very, very few of them.
What you fundamentally miss in your derision of all new model Land Rovers is that they ARE THE BEST IN THEIR CLASS when it comes to to their breadth of capability. When matched up against vehicles in their target market they will always be the best. These vehicles are not made to compete with the Defender or replace it, they are meant to be different so they can capture a different market.

For a so called Land Rover "fan" (so much so you don't even drive one) you seem to know very little about how these cars work and what they can actually do. Land Rover make the world's best traction control systems and that is what they put in every one of their vehicles. The fact that the vehicles can go where they do with road rubber is testimony to that.

Not every 4WD has to made in the image of the Defender or, dare I say it, the Am..(nope can't say it, Damo will have me kicked off[wink11]) or whatever other ideal 4WD you have in mind.

Before you go off half cocked on another one of these half thought out, what almost seem to be, trolling sessions, why don't you sit your backside in one and have a drive? See what it can do on road then see what it can do off road and be amazed at how well it can do both - that is what is so impressive about them. You might then be able speak about them with some experience.

I think we can all acknowledge that we're hoping LR do right with the next defender. There's a certain brand integrity in them pursuing that, but, let's also acknowledge that the new models fill holes that the old Defender never could.

[Oakey17]

Just saw model update for velar. Seems it's getting the same treatment as fpace and the fuel tank is growing from 63 litres to 82 litres. Plus seems engineers have got more power out of the td6, with 275ps and 625nm. Wonder why this wasn't debut in range rover sport. I'm assuming it's an upgrade rather than the ingenium 6 that is being touted.