Tuffant 18" Steel Wheels

[veebs]

Hi all,

So these fancy new tuffant steel wheels seem to be filtering out into the market - has anyone got any feedback on them?

I read somewhere that previous attempts at steel wheels on these cars ended up confusing the TR system into unusual results - not sure how much reality there is behind that, or how it was even tested to prove the wheel was at fault, and not the ballast holding the steering wheel ;)

[LRD414]

Plenty of people run steel wheels with spacers in the US without issues to the traction control system.

Anyway I’ve got a set of Tuffants on with mud tyres in 265/60 and have been driving around town mostly with only one dirt excursion so far. Traction control was required on some loose gravelly sand and everything worked normally. Here is a list of actual weights that are from my wheels.

19" LR rim with HT Goodyears - 32kg
18" Compo rim with KO2 265/60 [~50% worn] - 36kg
18" Tuffant rim with Monsta 265/60 [new] - 41kg

Note that the rim weight difference is ~5kg. Tuffant weighs 18kg but I haven’t weighed a bare Compo or LR rim. All measured via home scale.

Tuffants and Mud Tyres. Land Rover Discovery 4 / LR4 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/y1r-bhFBOkk)

Cheers,
Scott

[101RRS]

How would steel wheels confuse the TR system?

[Tombie]

How would steel wheels confuse the TR system?

It wouldn’t...

Likely written by the same Muppet that lives on the AULRO FB page... the “mechanic of 25 years” who tried to tell everyone that “EGTs do a clean out when headlights are on...” 🤪. Seriously!!!!

When pointed out that Was wrong he changed it to EGRs...

[veebs]

Don't get all hussy - I read it here, in reference to it being the reason why Gordon never developed a steel wheel (and indeed as one driver for him sticking with alloy based rims).

Sounds like Scott recalls a similar discussion, as it was the weight of the wheels people were suspecting to cause the issue.

Point is, people have them, and they are working well, yes?

[LRD414]

I mention real weights because some people are interested in the comparison for unsprung weight. I can’t comment on whether the extra mass is significant or not in that respect. I’ve not seen anything substantive re traction control and wheel weight.

Scott

[TuffRR]

Even if that theory proved to be somewhat correct, all that would be happening is that the TR would not be optimal. Everything is a trade off. Alloy is not optimal for strength, repair and cost.
Would you likely notice the difference in the TR working at 98% instead of 100% - probably not. For a couple of thousand dollars, are you willing to gain 2%?

Full disclosure: i now have Compomotives and TuffAnts. My mud tyres are on the tuffants, AT's on the compomotives.

[Tombie]

Not Hussy at all...

Just laughing.... any increase in mass (tyres will do that also) will provide more inertia for the TR to have to deal with.

[BobD]

Don't get all hussy - I read it here, in reference to it being the reason why Gordon never developed a steel wheel (and indeed as one driver for him sticking with alloy based rims).

Sounds like Scott recalls a similar discussion, as it was the weight of the wheels people were suspecting to cause the issue.

Point is, people have them, and they are working well, yes?

Gordon did develop a steel 18 inch wheel and I have a couple for spares on my D4. I now have an extra Conti and a D3 18 inch rim for the rear (after modifying my early model type rear brakes to fit the D3 alloy). His were very heavy and he may not have sold them widely but he did get some made.

[Tombie]

Just on the TR issue of performance.
This is also why it is critical to fit high quality pads and rotors...

[TuffRR]

Just on the TR issue of performance.
This is also why it is critical to fit high quality pads and rotors...

And get a 3.0 instead of a 2.7...

[Tombie]

And get a 3.0 instead of a 2.7...

Im not sure I understand? What’s that bit got to do with it?

[TuffRR]

Because of the better brakes on the 3.0, it also has more effective Traction Control across the modes.

At least according to one importer of alloy 18" wheels....

[Tombie]

Because of the better brakes on the 3.0, it also has more effective Traction Control across the modes.

At least according to one importer of alloy 18" wheels....

Ah... yes. The front brakes on the 3.0 are more effective.

[Tombie]

And load the latest TR firmware [emoji6][emoji41]

[TuffRR]

And load the latest TR firmware [emoji6][emoji41]

Done. Hard to know how effective this is - even GAP wouldn't say one way or the other.

[PerthDisco]

Ah... yes. The front brakes on the 3.0 are more effective.

More effective at lightening your pocket in having to purchase aftermarket new wheels capable of fitting fit for purpose tyres

[TuffRR]

More effective at lightening your pocket in having to purchase aftermarket new wheels capable of fitting fit for purpose tyres

Less so now you can get TuffAnts. [biggrin]

[DrOsteo]

Just on the TR issue of performance.
This is also why it is critical to fit high quality pads and rotors...Need new pads and rotors. What do you recommend? Is this a job I could do myself or needs special equipment?

[PerthDisco]

Need new pads and rotors. What do you recommend? Is this a job I could do myself or needs special equipment?

You need a Bodsy Brake Bible. Make sure latest version

DISCO3.CO.UK Photo Gallery - Bodsy's Brake Bible (https://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4184)

And much written if you do a search on the various pad and disc choices

[veebs]

And load the latest TR firmware [emoji6][emoji41]

I was wondering about this very point - I know the later model D4s are considered to have a superior TRR (Terrain Response Response), but i'm intrigued: is this due to any update in hardware, like a faster acting ECU, more sensitive wheel speed sensors etc, or is it wholly software driven, and thus available to the earlier models using an IID tool?

[tony_j_dean]

I've got some new monsta muds on my tuffants. Got them fitted and balanced.
Gets an annoying wobble noise past 80klm

[Tombie]

I was wondering about this very point - I know the later model D4s are considered to have a superior TRR (Terrain Response Response), but i'm intrigued: is this due to any update in hardware, like a faster acting ECU, more sensitive wheel speed sensors etc, or is it wholly software driven, and thus available to the earlier models using an IID tool?

Enhanced software.... I have it on my 2011 [emoji41]

[Tombie]

I've got some new monsta muds on my tuffants. Got them fitted and balanced.
Gets an annoying wobble noise past 80klm

Get the balance checked again.

A good tyre shop will also spin the wheel up on its own first..

[Scallywag]

Hi folks,
Had the new 18” TuffAnt rims installed on my 2014 D4 yesterday. So far I’m impressed. They fitted without problem and needed very little balance weight.

I’m running Cooper ST Maxx in a 265/65/18. The Tuffants weighed in at close to 19kg so with the Coopers the wild wheel weighed in at close to 44kg - that’s about 10-12kg heavier than OEM 19” with stock GY wrangler in the 255/55/19.

The extra weight is noticeable when you accelerate as the car is working harder to spook up 40kg of extra rotating mass across all 4 wheels. While underway however the weight is not noticeable and impact on braking seems negligible.

I’m doing a long country run this weekend so will report back on fuel economy impact in due course.

Attached photos of the new rig

[Tombie]

Yes. You’ll notice it in daily fuel consumption if left on.

You’ll also likely note a small decrease in Terrain Response performance - it will be working harder to control the wheel/tyre mass.

[Scallywag]

How do I upload photos from my iPhone to this thread ? Have read a few (conflicting) older threads and see no icon for “manage attachments” or “upload images”.

Guidance appreciated.

Cheers ScallyWag

[LRD414]

How do I upload photos from my iPhone to this thread ?
Easiest way is to use the AULRO app. Photo attachment is then very simple.

Scott

[weeds]

Easiest way is to use the AULRO app. Photo attachment is then very simple.

Scott

Or tapatalk

[jimbotron]

I purchased some Tuffant rims for my 2013 HSE D4. When I had them fitted the installer didn’t think there was enough clearance between the caliper and rim so we aborted the install. I spoke to Andrew from TuffAnt and he assured me this was normal. About 2-3mm gap. Anyway, I’m back on Saturday to try again.

In practice does this small gap cause any issues with rocks etc getting caught? I think the benefits of having 18 inch wheels are greater regardless, but just wanted to see what others thought? I haven’t seen any comments regarding clearance for this or the Compo rims so I assume it’s a non issue.

[LRD414]

I have run Compos for a couple of years and they have a number of score marks where I assume small rocks have been caught for a few rotations. It's never caused an issue, has always self-cleared. I have measured the clearance between the front calliper and the rim for both Compo and Tuffant (measured on the vehicle with tyre etc). The Tuffant rim had marginally more clearance. Yes both rims are pretty close, approx 2-3mm .

Cheers,
Scott

[Tombie]

I purchased some Tuffant rims for my 2013 HSE D4. When I had them fitted the installer didn’t think there was enough clearance between the caliper and rim so we aborted the install. I spoke to Andrew from TuffAnt and he assured me this was normal. About 2-3mm gap. Anyway, I’m back on Saturday to try again.

In practice does this small gap cause any issues with rocks etc getting caught? I think the benefits of having 18 inch wheels are greater regardless, but just wanted to see what others thought? I haven’t seen any comments regarding clearance for this or the Compo rims so I assume it’s a non issue.

Put it in context.

If a small rock can catch in a 2-3mm gap..
A slightly larger rock can catch in a 4-5mm gap [emoji41]

[matti4556]

Put it in context.

If a small rock can catch in a 2-3mm gap..
A slightly larger rock can catch in a 4-5mm gap [emoji41]

+1
Exactly! - if you had a 25mm clearance gap then there is a chance you could jam a 25mm rock in there too - the smaller stuff goes straight through and the bigger stuff won't go in at all.

[jimbotron]

Yes, I had the same thought process. Obviously any size gap, you may get a rock stuck in that size gap. Makes logical sense!

I was just interested to see what actual experience people have had with this specific clearance. Scott’s response was what I was looking for. Thanks guys.

Also just wanted to give a shout out to Andrew from TuffAnt. Great service throughout the whole process!

[Disco4Dave]

Also just wanted to give a shout out to Andrew from TuffAnt. Great service throughout the whole process!

Agreed. Great communication and care. Thanks Andrew.

[Graeme]

I’m running Cooper ST Maxx in a 265/65/18. The Tuffants weighed in at close to 19kg so with the Coopers the wild wheel weighed in at close to 44kg - that’s about 10-12kg heavier than OEM 19” with stock GY wrangler in the 255/55/19.

The extra weight is noticeable when you accelerate as the car is working harder to spook up 40kg of extra rotating mass across all 4 wheels. While underway however the weight is not noticeable and impact on braking seems negligible.You don't think that the taller gearing has anything to do with slower acceleration?

[Disco4Dave]

Newly fitted Tuffant wheels with 265/60R18 D697s and an ARB Summit bar colour-coded in Yulong White.
Now we head off to the high-country for a few weeks towing a (rented) offroad hybrid camper/caravan.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/129.jpg

[TB]

Thinking about the effect that heavier wheels and tyres would have on Terrain Response, admittedly with not a lot of Disco driving experience behind me. Intuitively a wheel with more mass is harder to spin up and slow down, though that does depend on the centre-to-rim distribution of that weight. But what I'm wondering about is whether that even matters for the purposes of TR.

When the brakes are applied to a wheel which has lost traction, say it's up in the air, it's not because the car can't move while one wheel is moving faster than the other. The problem is one wheel has nearly no resistance to offer the diff and so the torque from the driveshaft is funnelled into more useless spinning instead of turning the wheel that's on the ground. Applying a brake to the spinning wheel will present a resisting force to that side's axle rotation *right from that very moment*, without having to wait until the wheel stops spinning. Whatever amount of frictional torque the brake can apply to the wheel directly increases amount of torque the diff is then able to transfer from the driveshaft to the wheel on the ground, I think:

The maximum torque which can be applied to one wheel equals the rotational inertia/resistance (including braking effects) of the other wheel. Heavier wheels actually work in favour of that equation.

So if TR is going to struggle with heavier wheels it's not because they make it harder to apply torque, it would only be because the computer is surprised that the spinning wheel doesn't change rotational speed as quickly as the algorithm expects it to given the inputs from engine and brake that it is calculating.

Does that sound right?

[Tombie]

Essentially correct.
The TR won’t be so much surprised but rather will be asked to work a bit harder to bring that rotating wheel to more of a stop (TR can stop a wheel completely).

What is the most likely noticeable impact will be (for regular off-roading) an increase in brake wear and tear.

[veebs]

On the same thought, I would imagine a change to non OEM pads/rotors, which I have read can give a less direct braking feel, would equally change the effort required by the TR system to adjust wheel spin?

Admittedly, TR may not often need to pull up a wheel spinning at 100km/hr, as the standard braking would need to. May not be so pronounced at lower wheel speeds

[101RRS]

Sorry - I think you are over thinking this - steel wheels have not been an issue on these vehicles in the past.

[cjc_td5]

I think you lot need to go out and buy a series Landrover or two! Sort of puts an imperceptible change to TC performance into perspective. [biggrin][biggrin]

Chris

[Tombie]

I think you lot need to go out and buy a series Landrover or two! Sort of puts an imperceptible change to TC performance into perspective. [biggrin][biggrin]

Chris

I’ve got some ally sheet and a box of rivets - nearly half there [emoji41]

[Hungo]

Plenty of people run steel wheels with spacers in the US without issues to the traction control system.

Anyway I’ve got a set of Tuffants on with mud tyres in 265/60 and have been driving around town mostly with only one dirt excursion so far. Traction control was required on some loose gravelly sand and everything worked normally. Here is a list of actual weights that are from my wheels.

19" LR rim with HT Goodyears - 32kg
18" Compo rim with KO2 265/60 [~50% worn] - 36kg
18" Tuffant rim with Monsta 265/60 [new] - 41kg

Note that the rim weight difference is ~5kg. Tuffant weighs 18kg but I haven’t weighed a bare Compo or LR rim. All measured via home scale.

Tuffants and Mud Tyres. Land Rover Discovery 4 / LR4 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/y1r-bhFBOkk)

Cheers,
Scott

Getting my Tiffany’s fitted today. Figment centre queried whether OEM wheel nuts will fit - any advice - did you standard LR wheel nuts fit?

[Hungo]

Getting my Tiffany’s fitted today. Figment centre queried whether OEM wheel nuts will fit - any advice - did you standard LR wheel nuts fit?

Love auto correct...although a set of Tiffany’s might look good, I’m getting Tuffant s fitted.

[veebs]

Love auto correct...although a set of Tiffany’s might look good, I’m getting Tuffant s fitted.

And I imagine a fitment centre will help too, notwithstanding a deep love for figs?

I understood the wheels came with nuts?

[Hungo]

And I imagine a fitment centre will help too, notwithstanding a deep love for figs?

I understood the wheels came with nuts?

.

[LRD414]

There weren’t any wheel nuts in the boxes....
Contact Tuffant. Steel wheel specific nuts are definitely included in the cost.

Scott

[apom]

There weren’t any wheel nuts in the boxes....

The 20 wheels nuts are in the TuffAnt Black bag in wheel box 1. There is one wheel cap in each box

Please PM me if you cant find them

[Hungo]

The 20 wheels nuts are in the TuffAnt Black bag in wheel box 1. There is one wheel cap in each box

Please PM me if you cant find them

You’re right, they just opened all the boxes(the only one I hadn’t...) and there are wheel nuts!!
Thanks Tuffant.

[Hungo]

You’re right, they just opened all the boxes(the only one I hadn’t...) and there are wheel nuts!!
Thanks Tuffant.

To clarify for everyone, wheel nuts DO come with the Tuffant wheels, they are in Box#1. Apologies. (don’t think I can delete my earlier post)

Will post some photos. Fitting with Kumho MT51 265/60/18’s.

[Hungo]

Didn’t buy them for their beauty, but I think the Tuffants look pretty good: (not best photo sorry)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/356.jpg

[RHS58]

Didn’t buy them for their beauty, but I think the Tuffants look pretty good: (not best photo sorry)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/356.jpg
Needs a liberal application of tyre shine.

[discomatt69]

I have just put a set on my new to me D4, fitted 265/65 BFG KO2's. First trip was a run to SA for some beach and sand dune playing with the 4x4 Earth SA annual gathering.
Balanced up well with not to much lead needed, speedo is now perfect compared to the GPS, TC worked fine, well once the D4 novice worked out all the electrickery, had pressures down to 12 PSI on the really soft sections and they look a heap better than I first thought they would.
Next run is up north to Kimberly and Kakadu in 6 weeks which will really test them

[tkhan83]

I have just put a set on my new to me D4, fitted 265/65 BFG KO2's. First trip was a run to SA for some beach and sand dune playing with the 4x4 Earth SA annual gathering.
Balanced up well with not to much lead needed, speedo is now perfect compared to the GPS, TC worked fine, well once the D4 novice worked out all the electrickery, had pressures down to 12 PSI on the really soft sections and they look a heap better than I first thought they would.
Next run is up north to Kimberly and Kakadu in 6 weeks which will really test them

What PSI are you running on road?

[discomatt69]

What PSI are you running on road?

Still playing around to see what works/feels best, so far 42 front and 48 rear seems good, was down to 12 and 14 on soft SA beaches last week

[Tombie]

Don’t go too high, it will impact DSC and make it twitchy in the nose.
The common rule of thumb is lower pressures for larger tyres.

Running them high just puts extra NVH into the vehicle. Tyres are part of the suspension as well as the springs etc

[apom]

Didn’t buy them for their beauty, but I think the Tuffants look pretty good: (not best photo sorry)



Couldn't have said it better myself. Styling options were so limited when using steel and such a restricted space! We are stoked with how they ended up looking given it the design was driven by function!

[apom]

Don’t go too high, it will impact DSC and make it twitchy in the nose.
The common rule of thumb is lower pressures for larger tyres.

Running them high just puts extra NVH into the vehicle. Tyres are part of the suspension as well as the springs etc

Spot on Tombie. I run the Achilles at present at 40/44 and even dropping them back to 38 and 40 makes a huge difference to how much smoother the car runs with only a little effect on the cornering (empty car setup, usually one up)

[TB]

I've had the KO2s on TuffAnts for about six weeks now. The tyre fitters inflated them all to 40, the wheel balance guy dropped them to 38, and the guys in the service workshop diligently set them to 36/33 – all cold pressures. I have an ARB TPMS and you see those numbers climb by about 4psi after a bit of highway driving on a warm day.

I'm liking 38/35 cold for bitumen duties with a light load. 25 all round for rough tracks. Have yet to hit the beach.

[RHS58]

40 seems to be standard across most tyre shops for 4x4’s, irrespective of vehicle or tyre.

[Rusty_Discbrake]

Mine turned up yesterday and get dropped off at the tyre fitter today, what can I say these guys are professional in sending the rims out to you and follow up your purchase and so easy to deal with, looking forward to fitting them with the tyres...

I ordered my tyres through Tyresales online too, sick of the tyreshops telling me what tyre I need to fit and steeering me away from what I wanted because they need to get rid of their stock. i fell for that with a tyreshop once and was supposed to get a good set of A/T's fotr my Hilux and got Hankook tyres instead, they were better than the big horns but not what i wanted.

Cheers

Rusty

[Rusty_Discbrake]

Finally got them fitted with KL61's and they really look a mean wheel/tyre, gotta wait for my blue slip on Tuesday (failed interstate rego due to a damaged tread tyre)

the wheels come with caps and lugnuts, I bought the tyres from tyresales.com.au and can't fault their service at all.

Now to get it on the road and do a little trail work too.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/03/549.jpg

[DrOsteo]

I have just put a set on my new to me D4, fitted 265/65 BFG KO2's. First trip was a run to SA for some beach and sand dune playing with the 4x4 Earth SA annual gathering.
Balanced up well with not to much lead needed, speedo is now perfect compared to the GPS, TC worked fine, well once the D4 novice worked out all the electrickery, had pressures down to 12 PSI on the really soft sections and they look a heap better than I first thought they would.
Next run is up north to Kimberly and Kakadu in 6 weeks which will really test themDid you have to do much in the way of mods to the wheel arch etc to prevent rubbing with this size tyre?

[discomatt69]

Did you have to do much in the way of mods to the wheel arch etc to prevent rubbing with this size tyre?

I didn't do any mods at all, on full compression the rear does slightly rub on the plastic splash shield but only just and no metal contact o cut the tyres.
I haven't seen any rubbing on the front at full lock or suspension compression.
Speedo is now spot on according to my Hema GPS

[Outback Jack]

had Bob Jane in Adelaide attempt to fit tuffant 18s to my D4 today. rang me and said they wont fit, rubbing on brake calipers. i didn't have time to go back and see if they were talking close or actually rubbing so ended up picking car up with no new rims/tyres fitted.
edit - just talked with Bob Janes and they absolutely confirm the rims are rubbing and they wont/cant fit them. i'm confused ??????

[apom]

had Bob Jane in Adelaide attempt to fit tuffant 18s to my D4 today. rang me and said they wont fit, rubbing on brake calipers. i didn't have time to go back and see if they were talking close or actually rubbing so ended up picking car up with no new rims/tyres fitted.
edit - just talked with Bob Janes and they absolutely confirm the rims are rubbing and they wont/cant fit them. i'm confused ??????

Hi Jack, Should be no issue on that car. Could be one of 2 issues we have seen thus far.

1. The car has non-standard calipers fitted (we have had this in one case)
2. The tyre fitter didn't release the handbrake on the car and was put of by how close the wheel was (also had this in one case)

Have sent you a message from TuffAnt so we can get it sorted for you :)

cheers
Andrew

[Tombie]

Hi Jack, Should be no issue on that car. Could be one of 2 issues we have seen thus far.

1. The car has non-standard calipers fitted (we have had this in one case)
2. The tyre fitter didn't release the handbrake on the car and was put of by how close the wheel was (also had this in one case)

Have sent you a message from TuffAnt so we can get it sorted for you :)

cheers
Andrew

You’ll find on tight tolerance wheels if the Muppet at the shop tries to put it on “not square” they often hit the calliper.

[Outback Jack]

Andrew from Tuffant rang me direct to help sort the issue. Very happy that he has taken the time to get involved. now that is someone willing to stand behind their product.

[Chops]

Just wondering if anyone here in Melbourne has a set of these on their car yet(?). I'm wanting to check them out on person, and also maybe seeing about a trial fit maybe.
I quite like them,, but I do love my 20" rims, but would like to see what they look like up close and personable. [wink11]

Also, just wondering, as we'll be doing more touring than the "rougher" stuff, how the larger walled tyres on these rims will handle the almost 3 tonne of van as in handling, or feel whilst driving on the road. Its been a while since I've had the larger tyre's, and I've only towed this van on the 20", which give a very positive feel on the road, something I like.

[dalil]

Just wondering if anyone here in Melbourne has a set of these on their car yet(?). I'm wanting to check them out on person, and also maybe seeing about a trial fit maybe.
I quite like them,, but I do love my 20" rims, but would like to see what they look like up close and personable. [wink11]

Also, just wondering, as we'll be doing more touring than the "rougher" stuff, how the larger walled tyres on these rims will handle the almost 3 tonne of van as in handling, or feel whilst driving on the road. Its been a while since I've had the larger tyre's, and I've only towed this van on the 20", which give a very positive feel on the road, something I like.

I got set of 5 with kuhmo MT51 in garage. Send me PM.

[kelvo]

Andrew from Tuffant rang me direct to help sort the issue. Very happy that he has taken the time to get involved. now that is someone willing to stand behind their product.
What was the actual problem in the end?

[Outback Jack]

still trying to find out. will post once I know

[Graeme]

Was the reported problem with the rear and if so, what model D4? MY10/11 3.0 D4s were originally fitted with larger rear calipers than later models.

[Outback Jack]

the problem is on my 2011 D4 3.0l SDv6 SE. is this model that you are saying the front calipers are too large and if so does that means that Tuffants dont fit all the D4s built during that period. I have not seen any mention of that restriction re Tuffants previously. the website mentions that this model/year have been tested and fit OK and I would think Andrew has this right.
jack

[cjc_td5]

the problem is on my 2011 D4 3.0l SDv6 SE. is this model that you are saying the front calipers are too large and if so does that means that Tuffants dont fit all the D4s built during that period. I have not seen any mention of that restriction re Tuffants previously. the website mentions that this model/year have been tested and fit OK and I would think Andrew has this right.
jack

The larger calipers were on the rear. They then reverted back to the same rear calipers as the previous 2.7l model. The front calipers have not changes since start of going to the bigger rotors.

[veebs]

The larger calipers at the rear weren't bigger than the front were they?

In other words, if the wheels fit the front, it should stand to reason that the wheel also fit over the the smaller or equal to rear calipers?

[Graeme]

LR 18" rims almost fit over the 3.0's front calipers but foul worse on MY10/11 rear calipers.

[Outback Jack]

OK, an update on my wheels not fitting after taking them to Bob Janes for fitment.
I have taken them to Pro4x4 in Port Adelaide this morning and they put the D4 up on a hoist and tried the same rime front and back. fits the back with a 10mm gap. on the front it looked as tight as a fishes bum but we managed to fit in a piece of paper between the calipers and rim, but only a single piece mind you. well at least they fit without scraping and I asked if they were to polish the front fins -not grind them, that would be wrong-
so that I have a 2mm gap then all will be sweet. so thats what we're going to do, a bit of work with a floppy-wheel.
both the brake setups are original Land Rover parts and obviously the front has far less clearance than the rear which is different to what a couple of the earlier posts mentioned. cheers
jack

[weeds]

Thanks for the update....thats a close fit.

[Graeme]

The 1st picture is of the original MY10 3.0 rear caliper and the 2nd is the 2.7 D3/D4 and later 3.0 D4 version.
140211140212

[Outback Jack]

thanks Graeme. my rears look similar to your pics but the fronts have 3 fins that protrude out hence the less than 1mm clearance. not sure why my fronts are bigger than the rears but in the end it looks as if I will successfully fit the Tuffants with a bit of tough love on those fins. now to get the Llams and all the other goodies!!!

[LRD414]

After the initial batch of D4s described by Graeme all D4s had larger fronts than rears, so that’s normal. What is odd is that your fronts do not fit when many other fronts on 3.0L D4s, at least the six or so I’ve seen myself plus my own, do fit clear and without calliper modification. So something is slightly different about your front callipers. Are you able to post a photo of the front calliper? Is there any identifying numbers on the calliper? Three fins are present on all the ones I’ve seen, so that’s not unusual in itself.

Scott

[justinc]

Had a set of tuffants come in today attached to a 2010 d4 3.0 and had to replace front brakes. There is clearance however not a lot ...

[Chops]

I got set of 5 with kuhmo MT51 in garage. Send me PM.


Dalil,, thanks heaps for today's efforts. Was great to meet you and catch up for a short time, you've been a great help in deciding which way we will go.
We've decided already, they look the goods, so hopefully, sometime between Sept and Jan, we'll have a set for the main trip,,, of course, there's that old problem of which tyre's now [bigwhistle]

Thanks again, Marcus and Leeanne.

[Actionman]

A little late to this party, but midway through this thread posters were concerned about the 5kg increase in wheel weight would adversely effect the Traction system.

I disagree. Dont forget the TR system is also controlling the entire vehicle mass of 3000kg or 750kg per wheel. 5kg here or there should not make much difference.

[dalil]

Dalil,, thanks heaps for today's efforts. Was great to meet you and catch up for a short time, you've been a great help in deciding which way we will go.
We've decided already, they look the goods, so hopefully, sometime between Sept and Jan, we'll have a set for the main trip,,, of course, there's that old problem of which tyre's now [bigwhistle]

Thanks again, Marcus and Leeanne.

You welcome
Drop in one day so we can chat a bit more.