Fuchs oil used in transmission service!

[hpal]

Booked in my 2007 D3 today for a trans service at 200,000km with my local independent who is pretty good. Its been done before with steel pan fitted. Great service and I'm happy to have it go to them, only problem was the fluid they used in my 6speed ZF box, or the lack of communication around it. I was 100% sure they'd use the zf fluid because nowhere on their website mentions fuchs fluid and they sell a service kit containing proper zf fluid with no other fluid option. I was disappointed to find that they used fuchs when I didn't know I had the option! If I knew I would have just done it myself and saved $300 :( I queried it obviously as I was a little deflated, but they said it meets all specs and they use it all the time with no issue, mechanic uses it in his disco as well. This made me feel ok but I still have some paranoia surrounding a $7000 rebuilt if something goes wrong! They offered to dump it and refill with ZF and I'll pay the difference, but I dont know. It's probably nothing. What do you guys think? Oil is Fuchs ATF fully synthetic 4134.

[Geedublya]

Get the LF6 put in. I was speaking to my transmission shop who does a lot of these boxes. The local taxi company wanted him to try different oils, the ran 2 non ZF oils in two taxis and changed it out at regular intervals. They both needed rebuilds by 180K the thrust washers wear. Taxis running LF6 go for 800K plus with regular changes.

[scarry]

Mine was done this week as well,they said we can put something in,or LF6.

Going on advice from people on here,LF6 it was.

[justinc]

I CANNOT believe this is still happening!! Trying to 'save' money on oil is just wrong.... WRONG!!!!

[hpal]

Lf6 is what I thought I was getting!! ****ed off. 😡 should I get them to dump it and refill? Then how can I be sure the good stuff goes in? Or get the bottles myself and put it in either now or run it for a year to cut my costs a bit?

[shanegtr]

End of the day ZF has not yet approved any other oil other than LG6 for the 6HP26. For many of their older transmissions they do have a list of approved aftermarket oils so if there was something suitable out there Im sure that they would list it. With that in mind I would personal only use ZF fluid until the day they approve another oil

[loanrangie]

Unfortunately you will now need a full flush to get the fuchs out.

[hpal]

I wish they'd never put it the fuch in there! I guess they'd be pretty compatible though, ie it's not like one's milk and the other's orange juice. They're most likely a similar oil just with different additive packs. I might get the oil from the and do it myself

[67hardtop]

The additives are the key. Dont risk it. Dump it, flush it, put the correct oil in. Save money in the end opposed to a rebuild

[101RRS]

I wish they'd never put it the fuch in there! I guess they'd be pretty compatible though, ie it's not like one's milk and the other's orange juice. They're most likely a similar oil just with different additive packs. I might get the oil from the and do it myself

How are you going to completely flush out the old oil at home?

[hpal]

They didn't flush it at the shop either, drain and refill with new filter. After a couple of changes I'll manage to get all the old oil out.

[specwarop]

Everyone on the ZF koolaid come out when ever someone asks this question.

[hpal]

I'm after opinions of either persuasion. If enough people say "leave the Fuch's oil in, it's the duck's nuts" I'll have a think about leaving it as is because it would be easier for me. Just wish they'd given me the option of oil and I wouldn't be in this situation. They are going to refill it with the ZF oil for me anyway, just have to book it in.

[Geedublya]

Everyone on the ZF koolaid come out when ever someone asks this question.

The transmission shop I use has a lot of experience with the ZF HP26 and the Ford version. They aren't afraid to try things if they give a financial advantage. Their testing revealed that the LG6 gave a substantially better result than the other oils. I believe the Fuchs was one of the oils tested. I'm just stating what I was told.

[goofyr]

When I upgraded to a metal pan the place that did it put in Liqui Moly, it drove ok but I noticed a bit of hesitation. After 6 months of ownership I decided to do a major service as my D3 didn’t come with a service history. My Indi only uses LG6 so I thought what the hell, I’ll see if there’s a difference. Gear changes are so much smoother and hesitation is gone. So I’m going to stick to LG6.

[SeanC]

How much did they charge for the Fuchs?

Had mine done recently with LG6 at $26/litre.

[scarry]

They didn't flush it at the shop either, drain and refill with new filter. After a couple of changes I'll manage to get all the old oil out.

My Indi always does a double flush,which is i believe the only way to do it properly.

[hpal]

How much did they charge for the Fuchs?

Had mine done recently with LG6 at $26/litre.
Wow that’s good. Not that I ever worried about the cost, $20 for Fuchs $40 for LG6

[101RRS]

Wow that’s good. Not that I ever worried about the cost, $20 for Fuchs $40 for LG6

The mechanic will buy the LG6 for about $24 a litre in 20 litre drums - so makes a good $15-16 on the deal. The $40 price is typical at most auto trans shops.

[oldbloke]

Why don't you ring ZF themselves and ask for their opinion. Then report back to us. I have a XR8 Falcon and would be interested in what they say.

[BeeJ]

There is no issue with Fuchs, it does meet specs and is used in a lot of vehicles that run the same transmission.

I have been running it for a long time no issue, as has many of my friends.

If you want to spend the money to put yourself at ease that's fair enough but you don't have to.

[cactipus]

Don't worry about it. I've done 100,000k with Redline ATF D6 which I put in myself when I changed the pan. The oil is listed as suitable for the ZF 6 speed. There are not many listed specifically suitable for the ZF boxes but Redline is and I presume Fuchs aswell.
It's a bit like being told that you have to use Mobil 1 in the engine. We all know that Penrite meets the specs and works very well, and many on here are happy to use it.

Interestingly I noticed yesterday that Penrite has an oil called ATF BMV that is now suitable for the ZF 6 speed. Their last version wasn't.

Long story short. I wouldn't worry about it. Fuchs, Penrite and Redline are all good oil companies with good product. You don't always have to pay for the name on the bottle.

[Stinky.23]

Booked in my 2007 D3 today for a trans service at 200,000km with my local independent who is pretty good. Its been done before with steel pan fitted. Great service and I'm happy to have it go to them, only problem was the fluid they used in my 6speed ZF box, or the lack of communication around it. I was 100% sure they'd use the zf fluid because nowhere on their website mentions fuchs fluid and they sell a service kit containing proper zf fluid with no other fluid option. I was disappointed to find that they used fuchs when I didn't know I had the option! If I knew I would have just done it myself and saved $300 :( I queried it obviously as I was a little deflated, but they said it meets all specs and they use it all the time with no issue, mechanic uses it in his disco as well. This made me feel ok but I still have some paranoia surrounding a $7000 rebuilt if something goes wrong! They offered to dump it and refill with ZF and I'll pay the difference, but I dont know. It's probably nothing. What do you guys think? Oil is Fuchs ATF fully synthetic 4134.

I have used Fuch Oil in my D4 for some time now without any problems. My Auto guy says that the Fuch is better than the original.

[cruiseh]

have a read of this attachment.. especially the last page: ZF listed approved aftermarket alternative fluids

https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/lol-lubricants/lol-en/lol-te-ml-11-en.pdf

[Tombie]

have a read of this attachment.. especially the last page: ZF listed approved aftermarket alternative fluids

https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/lol-lubricants/lol-en/lol-te-ml-11-en.pdf

Don’t know what you’re reading on that PDF but there’s no listed equivalents for LG6.

And people... None - absolutely None of the alternatives like Fuchs or Redline etc are approved... there is an additive pack that is not available to ANY aftermarket blender.

[Pierre]

It's not hard to do a full flush with LG6 as the incoming fluid. Have a look on the Pommy Disco3/4 website for a "how to do it", because I can't remember if it's on here (I think that there's a link, just search). You'll need about 11 litres for a full flush, and everything's cleaned out, including the torque convertor.

I did it - successfully - when I put a BMW steel sump, filter and pan gasket in October last year, in the back yard. It takes about 45 minutes.
If I can do it, nearly anyone can!!!

Change to LG6 - use the specified lubricant!!!

Pete

[PerthDisco]

Change to LG6 - use the specified lubricant!!!

Otherwise you might Fuch it up.

[fredd63]

Just bought a ford with ZF 6 speed, has done about 145000Km. ZF now states that the oil should be changed at this mileage, so I looked around for suitable fluids. Lots of "multi vehicle, do everything oils", ranging from $10/litre, up to ZF lifeguard6 @ $40/L. Read a very good article saying that any oil that is listed as multiple use, ie, mercon-V, and dexron111 and jatco-1, is not good for the ZF. The tranny requires a specific set of oil parameters, and other oils don't do as good a job. No, I don't work for ZF, and I am tight with my money, but these transmissions work really well, and I don't want to stuff it for the sake of a couple hundred dollars.
Regarding the Fuchs oil, it seems to be specific to one type of mercedes transmission, so should be OK until you change it.
cheers
Pete

[justinc]

Just bought a ford with ZF 6 speed, has done about 145000Km. ZF now states that the oil should be changed at this mileage, so I looked around for suitable fluids. Lots of "multi vehicle, do everything oils", ranging from $10/litre, up to ZF lifeguard6 @ $40/L. Read a very good article saying that any oil that is listed as multiple use, ie, mercon-V, and dexron111 and jatco-1, is not good for the ZF. The tranny requires a specific set of oil parameters, and other oils don't do as good a job. No, I don't work for ZF, and I am tight with my money, but these transmissions work really well, and I don't want to stuff it for the sake of a couple hundred dollars.
Regarding the Fuchs oil, it seems to be specific to one type of mercedes transmission, so should be OK until you change it.
cheers
Pete
...and a rebuildis nearly the value of the whole car if it is a Falcon...

[DiscoJeffster]

Don’t know what you’re reading on that PDF but there’s no listed equivalents for LG6.

And people... None - absolutely None of the alternatives like Fuchs or Redline etc are approved... there is an additive pack that is not available to ANY aftermarket blender.

I’m all good for this statement but can you please back this up with the evidence? Please link us to this information so we’re factually informed.

[shanegtr]

I’m all good for this statement but can you please back this up with the evidence? Please link us to this information so we’re factually informed.

Well the aftermarket approval list is for ZF class 11A and 11B. If you look at the auto transmission list then the top lines of the "approved lubricants for service fill" for each transmission lists the class. For the 6HP26 there is only LG6 listed with no other lubricant class meaning thats the only approved oil for that trans.

[Pierre]

Seems to me it's all about the money.

It can't be about the application - the ZF requirement for the use of LG6 is clear, and there are no alternatives.
Now, you could used hand washing liquid in the transmission, but it wouldn't work correctly or for very long. And you probably wouldn't do it anyway, because it's NOT APPROVED

Pete

[Tombie]

I’m all good for this statement but can you please back this up with the evidence? Please link us to this information so we’re factually informed.

What on earth do you mean? The ZF company document specified that only LG6 has type approval.
That’s pretty simple.

From a Blenders perspective- one example is Penrite who released a document stating that they could not obtain the required additives as they aren’t released to blenders, and withdrew their offering from the market due to this.

[DiscoJeffster]

What on earth do you mean? The ZF company document specified that only LG6 has type approval.
That’s pretty simple.

From a Blenders perspective- one example is Penrite who released a document stating that they could not obtain the required additives as they aren’t released to blenders, and withdrew their offering from the market due to this.

I won’t bother to dignify this statement. It’s pretty clear what I mean. You are making statements that are not founded in fact. The Penrite example is over 5 years old and was true at the time for one company. Just because ZF has not listed an oil as approved, does not mean they are not compatible, it simply means those producers have not paid ZF the exorbitant fees to be “certified”. It’s not like they’re going to do a community interest campaign and certify other brand oils in the market out of their charitable heart and eat into their lucrative oil business is it?

Anyhow, use LG6, don’t. Each to their own.

[loanrangie]

For the sake of $100 or so every 2-5 years, why would you risk it ?
Out of interest how close is the ford box to the ZF, what other products has Ford approval for use in their trans ?

[l00kin4]

Interesting thread on the Mannol alternative (?) on the UK site: DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - ZF8 and ZF6 Compatible ATF For D3 & D4 (https://disco3.co.uk/forum/zf8-zf6-compatible-atf-d3-d4-141934.html)

Not ZF certified but some reputable members there using it and no adverse effects reported.

For me, for now, I'll stick to LG8 rather than risk any issues potentially being linked to non-compliance but agree - each to their own.

David

[specwarop]

You guys seem to not understand Business 101.

ZF makes gearbox
ZF makes oil for gearbox
ZF provides approvals for third party oil for gearbox
ZF doesn't approve any of the third party oil for gearbox
ZF makes $$$

Simples.

[Tombie]

I won’t bother to dignify this statement. It’s pretty clear what I mean. You are making statements that are not founded in fact. The Penrite example is over 5 years old and was true at the time for one company. Just because ZF has not listed an oil as approved, does not mean they are not compatible, it simply means those producers have not paid ZF the exorbitant fees to be “certified”. It’s not like they’re going to do a community interest campaign and certify other brand oils in the market out of their charitable heart and eat into their lucrative oil business is it?

Anyhow, use LG6, don’t. Each to their own.

Not founded in fact? How so?

ZF have regularly issued compatibility notations for fluids.
In this application they have not done so, and yet ANY oil blender that bothered to have one certified would recoup their investment rapidly.

Where are your “facts”? How exorbitant are these certifications? Do you have the numbers in front of you?
Are you sure just how much margin is in their oil? Or what their R&D outlay was?

No you don’t - and neither do I...

What we do know - those who have tried other fluids report slightly different behaviour from the box. Replacement with the LG6 returning it back to its original operation.

What we don’t know - even with other fluids performing adequately for the user - is what impact this may be having on linings etc in the box - and very few people are onto box number 3 yet so how do we know if the impact is shortened product life?

All for a $100....

[Tombie]

You guys seem to not understand Business 101.

ZF makes gearbox
ZF makes oil for gearbox
ZF provides approvals for third party oil for gearbox
ZF doesn't approve any of the third party oil for gearbox
ZF makes $$$

Simples.

Agree, IP is the money maker...

And why wouldn’t somebody hold onto their IP.

ZF won’t release the additive pack they developed to Blenders - so unless the Blender reverse engineers it adequately- and then backs the product as 100% compatible it would be a risk.

So far, no alternative fluid has performed the same as the LG6 by all accounts. And there has been no substantiated long term reports on longevity of the boxes running other fluids.

Heck, no oil blender has even tried to match the fluids in the Locking diff etc.

[donh54]

The price you pay for LG6 or 8 is NOT the price ZF is selling it at! Look at the wide range of prices it retails at from different sellers.
Business 101 would tell you that by the time it got to say Repco for example, it has gone through a significant number of hands - each one adding it's own profit margin.
I also doubt very much that ZF makes the oils themselves. They would have undoubtedly had input into the additive package, but would have an agreement with an oil supplier to make and package the product.
Millions of 4 speed ZF boxes out there, and they're happy to recommend almost anything that meets Dexron 2 or 3 certification for them.

[l00kin4]

I also doubt very much that ZF makes the oils themselves. They would have undoubtedly had input into the additive package, but would have an agreement with an oil supplier to make and package the product.


I'm in no position to verify the veracity or otherwise but this quote from the Disco3 link I posted above:

Whilst Mannol (SCT) and ZF are both German companies the specification and additives of their ATFs are actually from a Dutch company called Infineum. Infineum is a joint venture between ExxonMobil and Shell, so reasonably large in the scheme of things.

David

[Tombie]

Interesting thread on the Mannol alternative (?) on the UK site: DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - ZF8 and ZF6 Compatible ATF For D3 & D4 (https://disco3.co.uk/forum/zf8-zf6-compatible-atf-d3-d4-141934.html)

Not ZF certified but some reputable members there using it and no adverse effects reported.

For me, for now, I'll stick to LG8 rather than risk any issues potentially being linked to non-compliance but agree - each to their own.

David

The good thing about that Mannol product is they state in writing that it’s compatible...

So you have some protection there.

[DiscoJeffster]

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/motul-production2/images/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/48940/ATF_VI_%28GB%29.pdf?1511170487

State in writing it’s compatible?
So does Motul, see link.

[101RRS]

Sorry but some of you guys need to do some research - LG6 is not made by ZF it is made by Shell - it is Shell M13754. All listed in the genuine LR workshop manual.

So there is no real incentive for zf to restrict approvals for other oils.

Garry

[rick130]

And being a Shell oil it'll use an Infineum add pack who you will find have an exclusivity arrangement with ZF/Shell and won't release it to other blenders.

It can be reverse engineered, but that takes $$ and AFAIK only the major additive suppliers like RT Vanderbilt and Lubrizol are in a position to be able to do that, and with reverse engineering it may not result in an identical product either.

Blenders such as Penrite tend to only use one additive supplier too, e.g. AFAIK Penrite use Lubrizol.

Sometimes you can get away with a newer multi functional ATF with some older transmissions, I'm doing that at that moment with a 4HP22E as the frictional requirements are only equivalent to an old Dex IIIH spec, but for the cost of the approved fluid with the six/seven/eight speed transmissions vs the cost of a rebuild.....

[justinc]

And being a Shell oil it'll use an Infineum add pack who you will find have an exclusivity arrangement with ZF/Shell and won't release it to other blenders.

It can be reverse engineered, but that takes $$ and AFAIK only the major additive suppliers like RT Vanderbilt and Lubrizol are in a position to be able to do that, and with reverse engineering it may not result in an identical product either.

Blenders such as Penrite tend to only use one additive supplier too, e.g. AFAIK Penrite use Lubrizol.

Sometimes you can get away with a newer multi functional ATF with some older transmissions, I'm doing that at that moment with a 4HP22E as the frictional requirements are only equivalent to an old Dex IIIH spec, but for the cost of the approved fluid with the six/seven/eight speed transmissions vs the cost of a rebuild.....


Im still at a loss to understand WHY people want to use a different oil to the manufacturer?? Is it a 'I'm smarter than you' or 'I'm not paying an extra $100 to service my $6000 transmission correctly' thing??

Its not that difficult. Use Lifeguard fluid and if you want to get it cheaper then do it yourself after buying a 20l drum...

Sheeesh.

If i get a request to service one using non LG oils i will suggest they should be doing it themselves...

Jc

[Piddler]

Im still at a loss to understand WHY people want to use a different oil to the manufacturer?? Is it a 'I'm smarter than you' or 'I'm not paying an extra $100 to service my $6000 transmission correctly' thing??

Its not that difficult. Use Lifeguard fluid and if you want to get it cheaper then do it yourself after buying a 20l drum...

Sheeesh.

If i get a request to service one using non LG oils i will suggest they should be doing it themselves...

Jc

Yep, spot on as usual JC [smilebigeye]

[rick130]

Im still at a loss to understand WHY people want to use a different oil to the manufacturer?? Is it a 'I'm smarter than you' or 'I'm not paying an extra $100 to service my $6000 transmission correctly' thing??

Its not that difficult. Use Lifeguard fluid and if you want to get it cheaper then do it yourself after buying a 20l drum...

Sheeesh.

If i get a request to service one using non LG oils i will suggest they should be doing it themselves...

Jc

I think there's several potential reasons Justin.

I know that in the past I always thought I knew better, I could do better, that what was recommended wasn't 'the best'
Then I started to work with people in the industry and study this stuff....
A combination of vanity and ignorance.

Most everyone has a fractious relationship with money regardless of how much or little they possess, and it comes out in interesting ways.
"I have a vehicle that's worth $xx,000 dollars but there's no way I'll pay $40/litre for bloody oil when I can buy ATF at SuperursonsCoepco for $17/litre!"
Others in the same situation will go all out and spend too much, over servicing, etc.
Some swing from one extreme to the other, penny pinching to spendthrift and most have no idea they're doing it. (hand in the air!)

I've had some really interesting conversations over the years with a psychologist about this.
I ****ing love psychology. probably why I'm studying it [biggrin]

[DiscoJeffster]

I love playing devils advocate. I get some form of pleasure from it lol.
So it is very true that in the past a number of oils have not performed well in the ZF transmissions and switching back resolved this. SOME of the new alternatives now behave the same as the LG oil and are on average half the price RRP. Yes I’m aware that LG can be had on special, but so can alternatives.
As to whether they offer worse longevity? Hard to say. There are however enough gearboxes being rebuilt that have always run LG oil so it’s not the saviour it’s made out to be. Now whether anyone can say that said gearbox would have needed a rebuilt in half the time if running alternative oil? Unclear. The data is not out there.

What I find odd in this whole argument is we’re happy to use Penrite (An Australian small producer by all standards), only because they claim to meet the standards defined, yet when another provider of ATF makes similar claims to meeting Shell M1375.4 we shun them?

[Tombie]

I think you may be confusing the convo a bit DJ.. nobody is using Penrite in their 6 speed...

At this stage, though, you are correct! Me and several others are shunning the alternatives being offered / claiming full compatibility.

An extra $100 over 2-3 years for the factory approved oil is nothing from my perspective.

Much can be said for pattern parts, many are acceptable - however it was highlighted to me some time ago and confirmed my own observations.. in this case it was Cooling system hoses.
They had made pattern parts early in the life of the Model. These parts are still made today, and good quality and quite cheap. However during the model life the factory improved the hose design,allowing it to route slightly differently and improving a few joins. They didn’t announce this. So the factory parts fit better, don’t rub etc where as the pattern parts do.

There is potential that this can happen with blended fluids also.

So in cases where it may be a margin call I tend to err on the side of Genuine.

[101RRS]

As to whether they offer worse longevity? Hard to say. There are however enough gearboxes being rebuilt that have always run LG oil so it’s not the saviour it’s made out to be. Now whether anyone can say that said gearbox would have needed a rebuilt in half the time if running alternative oil? Unclear. The data is not out there.

What I find odd in this whole argument is we’re happy to use Penrite (An Australian small producer by all standards), only because they claim to meet the standards defined, yet when another provider of ATF makes similar claims to meeting Shell M1375.4 we shun them?

Very few if the geraboxes fail because of outright mechanical failures - they are caused by failures brought on by not changing the oil. I cannot remember the ZF recommended oil change times but I think it is about 70,000km where LR have a 250,000km change - why?? Well A long time ago I heard (and I cannot substantiate it) that as part of the EU accreditation process as well as engine emissions other types of pollutants have to be taken into account - and one of these is engine and gearbox/transmission oils so if oil change intervals can be extended then there is less oil to dispose off and this counts towards accreditation for EU.

So who knows but I suspect that if oil changes were done at around 70,000km the number of rebuilds would go down.

When I first started looking at alternative oils a few years back I was not convinced of the sole use of LG6 as there were a number of alternatives around - some people swore they were good and some others started complaining about issues a couple of years later - oil or just issues who knows. Then some of the alternatives were no longer listed as alternatives so I started to become suspicious.

Now I just dont think it is worth the risk. Gearboxes are too expensive and if you shop smart LG6 is not much more expensive than the others anyway.

I think just a drop and fill from the sump and filler plug about every 40,000km is the go - so about 3-4 litre a go and about 1/3 of the volume - all so easy. Also why did they design the sump (even the metal one) so the filter can be changed with out removing the sump.

Anyway my view is to stay with LG6 - on special at Repco of $29 or buy a 20litre drum from ZF for about $25 per litre and do smaller changes more often.

Garry

[DiscoJeffster]

I agree with the regular change interval. In fact I do a simple drain annually to keep a fresh percentage in the box, however I’ll admit I’ve been using the Motul ATF VI in mine. I’m not suffering any ill effects in driving, but whether it’s wearing the box prematurely I cannot say. It’s run Motul now for 45,000km and ran LG6 unchanged for its first 200,000km of life before my ownership. I guess we’ll see how long it continues. Happy to be a guinea pig. Lol.

[Tombie]

That’s the end game hey! If you’re happy with what you do to your vehicle then that’s all that matters in the end.

[justinc]

I mostly see it from a repairers perspective. If i found out a mech used a non genuine oil in my expensive to rebuild transmission in an attempt to possibly save around $100 or so i would be pretty annoyed...

I won't service the trans unless i use LG oils. Funnily enough the actual profit margin between a good 'alternative' oil and LG is still not that much different for me to even think about giving it a go either. In short there are lots of reasons to stick with LG oils.

I just wish like the 4spd subaru autos , they could have had an external spin on transmission filter!!😣😣

[hpal]

I mostly see it from a repairers perspective. If i found out a mech used a non genuine oil in my expensive to rebuild transmission in an attempt to possibly save around $100 or so i would be pretty annoyed...
I was annoyed believe me. All for one simple question “which fluid do you want, genuine or aftermarket?” Would have saved me so much grief.

[hpal]

Got the LR Indi to change the fluid out for LG6, much more peace of mind now.

[Beachy]

I don’t know why you would worry Fuchs oil is one of the best l have run John Deere oils for over 20 years not one engine rebuild in over 2 million klm and discovered last year it is Fuchs re badged John Deere is is one of the leaders in Ag and industry

[justinc]

I don’t know why you would worry Fuchs oil is one of the best l have run John Deere oils for over 20 years not one engine rebuild in over 2 million klm and discovered last year it is Fuchs re badged John Deere is is one of the leaders in Ag and industry

Totally totally different situation/ application. There is nothing wrong with Fuchs oils, this thread is about using the correct oil in the ZF transmission.

[PeterOZ]

Gents,
will stay out of the "oils aint oils sol" debate. What I am interested in understanding is how to do a mega flush? I have watched a few vids online and general drain and refill seems straight forward enough though I'm led tobeleive this dos not get all the old fluid out?

Hence the mega flush . . .

Is there a procedure or a video where they aren't using a machine?

cheers
P

[Tombie]

Gents,
will stay out of the "oils aint oils sol" debate. What I am interested in understanding is how to do a mega flush? I have watched a few vids online and general drain and refill seems straight forward enough though I'm led tobeleive this dos not get all the old fluid out?

Hence the mega flush . . .

Is there a procedure or a video where they aren't using a machine?

cheers
P

Sorry Peter, the machine *IS* the Megaflush.
It’s pumping the fluid through the system and capturing the old fluid as it replaces it.

Burns about 12-18litres of LG fluid to do it [emoji41]

[rick130]

And when you do a basic drain and refill you need to do three to four (depending on volume drained to total capacity) to complete a total change of fluid.

It works by dilution.

[PeterOZ]

Sorry Peter, the machine *IS* the Megaflush.
It’s pumping the fluid through the system and capturing the old fluid as it replaces it.

Burns about 12-18litres of LG fluid to do it [emoji41]

Pretty much what I thought. So next question is who in Brisbane has one of these machines? Seems to be plenty in Melb and Sydney.