Tyre rotation

[landoman]

I have Goodyear wrangler MT/R tyres on my 110
I note in the defender hand book(2016) it says “do not rotate the tyres around the vehicle “
............is there some reason why not ???

[donh54]

I have Goodyear wrangler MT/R tyres on my 110
I note in the defender hand book(2016) it says “do not rotate the tyres around the vehicle “
............is there some reason why not ???

Were the factory fitted tyres directional? That's the only reason I can think of.

[Tote]

I had MT/R s on my 130 and found they wore pretty evenly maybe it's just not necessary unless you want to wear the spare out?

Regards,
Tote

[landoman]

Were the factory fitted tyres directional? That's the only reason I can think of.
All 4 tyres look identical .....not sure I’d know what a directional tyre looks like

[TheGrumpy]

I do a 5 wheel rotation with the Wranglers. I did notice the rear tyres (and spare) came at 50psi from the factory. I think the fronts were around 36psi. I figured it was due to the max load rating. You wouldn’t rotate the wheels without adjusting the air. Over 60k on the clock and still have usable tread.

[Tombie]

I won’t reverse a tyres rolling direction. Ever..

I will occasionally move tyres fore and aft but that’s it. I usually don’t rotate my tyre positions and still get balanced wear.

[Zeros]

Toyo: “Diagonal rotations are recommended for non-directional and asymmetric tyres, gas shown below. This is the preferred method of rotation due to the fact that the passenger’s side front tyre is the fastest wearing tyre on most cars, SUVs and light commercial vehicles. A diagonal rotation will reverse the direction of rotation of the tyres. Reversing the direction of rotation of non-directional or asymmetric tyres will not damage the tyres.”

[Tombie]

Excellent cut and paste- and yet I’ve seen exactly that happen... once they belts load up in a primary direction they don’t tend to like going the opposite way.

I’ve also observed noise increases, changes in handling, induced harmonics.

As for the “passengers side front is always the fastest wearing” - I’ll beg to differ... all my tyres are at the same depth.

[Saulman1010]

I run Toyo tyres on Rosie P38a and never rotate.
Odd times ive had a puncture repaired and they have put the tyre back on a different rotation the tyre is very very noisy.
So, no rotation. The nearside front wears first - so I change both fronts together, then when they are done, all four together.

[Zeros]

Excellent cut and paste- and yet I’ve seen exactly that happen... once they belts load up in a primary direction they don’t tend to like going the opposite way.

I’ve also observed noise increases, changes in handling, induced harmonics.

As for the “passengers side front is always the fastest wearing” - I’ll beg to differ... all my tyres are at the same depth.

Yeah, I guess all tyres are different. It doesn’t seem to bother Bridgestone 661’s which is what Ive run for years, rotating, changing direction whenever needed. My front left definitely wears faster. Interestingly though if I ever have a puncture (rare with these tyres) it’s always left rear!

looking at a change at the moment ...mainly to try something different, but also doing more highway ks for the next couple of years. Hence interest in Michelin’s, maybe Toyos or Kumho?? ...it’s an expensive gamble!

[Saulman1010]

Michelins are way to expensive. I can stake two toyos (and it can happen easily) for the price of one Michelin.
I was once told by a tire guy the front tire flicks up debris from the side of road and then the rear tire runs over and punctures it. Or so he said.
When I start to get punctures its time to change the tires. I get about 80k out of the toyo's and thats to about 20% left.

[Zeros]

Michelins are way to expensive. I can stake two toyos (and it can happen easily) for the price of one Michelin.
I was once told by a tire guy the front tire flicks up debris from the side of road and then the rear tire runs over and punctures it. Or so he said.
When I start to get punctures its time to change the tires. I get about 80k out of the toyo's and thats to about 20% left.

Which Toyos do you run? And where do you get them for $150 bucks each?

[HardCharger]

So do we rotate the tires or not? I keep getting mixed information on this with some saying rotate while some saying don't bother.

I have Cooper STMaxx on my truck for about 12,000 KMs now. I noticed that the fronts are really worn down compared to the rears which still looked pretty new. I rotated the tires at 10,000 KMs so that the lower fronts are now in the rear and the rears with the bigger lugs are now in front. If this wear is typical, maybe a rotation of 5,000 KMs is better? This is to say if we should even be rotating the tires at all.

I wanted to include my spare in the rotation to make them last longer but the extremely uneven wear observed makes this impossible. I also adjust the tire pressures accordingly when the tires are swapped.

Also, I notice that the right side rear tire always has lower pressures than the rest for some reason. Even after rotation, the tire previously occupying that spot had OK pressures and the new tire occupying that spot has lower pressures. Anyone know why this is? No punctures found in both cases.

I've always ran factory pressures on the tires, 30 psi in front and 48 psi in the rear. Now I adjust to make the ride a bit more comfortable since I don't fully load the truck anyways. 30 psi front, 40 psi rear.

[Colmoore]

Tombie must live in a land of very few roundabouts. Passenger side front falls victim to roundabouts, so defs need to do a switch, I do diagonal change to avoid rotation issues and monitor tyre pressures weekly.
Seems to work quite well.
Also run a set of muddies for mud (or risk of) and a set of at’s for general running about. Good long term saving and it’s nice and quiet w the at’s [emoji86]

[donh54]

So do we rotate the tires or not? I keep getting mixed information on this with some saying rotate while some saying don't bother.

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Also, I notice that the right side rear tire always has lower pressures than the rest for some reason. Even after rotation, the tire previously occupying that spot had OK pressures and the new tire occupying that spot has lower pressures. Anyone know why this is? No punctures found in both cases.

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When you check them, is that tyre (with the lower pressure) in the shade, whilst the others are in the sun? I get anything up to a couple of psi difference between the shady and the sunny side.

[Tombie]

Tombie must live in a land of very few roundabouts. Passenger side front falls victim to roundabouts, so defs need to do a switch, I do diagonal change to avoid rotation issues and monitor tyre pressures weekly.
Seems to work quite well.
Also run a set of muddies for mud (or risk of) and a set of at’s for general running about. Good long term saving and it’s nice and quiet w the at’s [emoji86]

For our population and size we have a plethora of the bloody things... and spoon drains...

Thankful for very few speed humps though...


Just watch keeping multiple sets of tyres, they’ll age “quicker” sitting around and really shouldn’t be used after 5 years...

[Colmoore]

5 years, I wish! I do too many ks for that.
The route to the closest shop/hardware etc to me has 7 roundabouts in around as many kms - that’s one way....
Roundabouts are my preference over traffic lights, but they definitely cause tyre wear

[HardCharger]

When you check them, is that tyre (with the lower pressure) in the shade, whilst the others are in the sun? I get anything up to a couple of psi difference between the shady and the sunny side.

Hi donh54,

Quite the opposite, actually, the tire with the lower pressure is the one usually exposed to the sun. When I say lower pressures, I don't mean 1 or 2 psi, I'm talking at least 10 psi lower compared to the other 3!