Tyres for Disco 5

[jeffele]

Can I safely put 285/50 R20 tyres on my Sd4 SE?

[weeds]

Ben @ APT has just fitted replacement tyres to his D5...I have no idea what size but he did mention he was keen on a larger size but didn’t have time to assess if it was going to cause issues when the suspension drops to its bump stops

Oh his temporary roof rack looked good so I’m betting the long term one will look the goods.

I’m guessing his underbody protection must nearly be ready as well.

[tony_s]

After ripping the wall of one of my 19” tyres in the Vic High Country I am waiting for a reply from Jaguar Landrover about the suitability of the standard fitted tyres for off-road use and what alternatives can be legally fitted to my D5. I have been told by the local tyre dealer that the only alternative that he can legally fit is a Pirelli Scorpion Verde of the same size which has a similar type of tread. I’m not talking serious off-roading, just off-bitumen like the GRR, GCR or Gary Junction. My D4 had 18” wheels and I fitted D697s which were great. I really don’t want to change the wheels but I would like to have confidence in the tyres I’m using and I don’t want to risk my insurance by fitting tyres that aren’t legal.
What have others done?

[scarry]

Going to 18's is probably by far the best issue,Tuffants.

There are a heap of LT tyres in that size(18) that will suit these rims,and are similar diameter to the OEM tyre.

I don't think there will be any LT 19' tyres available,as the D5 tyre(19") is an odd size.

[Graeme]

The spruced-up "off-road" version of the D5 that was announced some months ago was fitted with 275/55R20 which should make that size legal on any D5. 275/55R20 is the size used by several people who take their D5s off-road.

[DI5CO]

The only 19” LT tyre is the Maxxis AT980. I don’t think they come any smaller than the 255 width. It’s a great, tough tyre, just noisier which is to be expected. Not sure if this will fit the D5.
Dave

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[Graeme]

The Maxxis 980 isn't available in the D5 size 255/60R19.

[DI5CO]

The Maxxis 980 isn't available in the D5 size 255/60R19.

Would only the profile difference make it illegal? I thought it’s if you go too wide that made it illegal, or a percentage over the std tyre. My D2 I went a slightly larger (wider) tyre but kept it legal.

[Tombie]

Somebody mentioned Tuffant wheels, does anybody know the answer to this then?

The D5 has a significantly different offset - so much so that the Compomotive Group has had to make a new wheel offset otherwise the allows hit the control arms under articulation.

What offset are Tuffant and are they making a different offset to accomodate the D5?

[Graeme]

Would only the profile difference make it illegal? I thought it’s if you go too wide that made it illegal, or a percentage over the std tyre. My D2 I went a slightly larger (wider) tyre but kept it legal.
I was considering the change from a 31" tyre down to a 30" tyre as being quite undesirable.

[tony_s]

Would only the profile difference make it illegal? I thought it’s if you go too wide that made it illegal, or a percentage over the std tyre. My D2 I went a slightly larger (wider) tyre but kept it legal.

I was told that the only legal alternatives are those that match the profile and load and speed ratings shown on the plaque on the door jam - the one that also has tyre pressures. Other tyres have not been homologated by the vehicle manufacturer.

[Graeme]

Our ADRs don't require tyres to be homologated by the vehicle manufacturer.

[Tombie]

Correct. Rules in AU don’t require tyres to match *all* requirements on the placard.

They must match load rating and meet a base speed rating of N as this exceeds all Aus speed limits.
Size falls under NCOP / ADRs applicable in state, and there are rules regarding width and diameter.

Note lower speed rating tyres often demonstrate lower cornering capability.

Also, historically, LRA has used alternative tyres as a reason to question warranty around suspension, vibration, steering etc. (I’m not debating, just quoting).

[WhiteD3]

Anyone know what the factory fitted tyre sizes are for the 19" and 20"?

[Graeme]

255/60R19 and 255/55R20.

[Tombie]

The All New Discovery comes with the following options:

255/60-19 with 19x7.5 +39
235/65-19 As above

235/60-20 with 20x7.5 +39
255/55-20 with 20x8.5 +39
255/55-20 with 20x8.5 +47

275/45-21 with 21x9.5 +49

285/40-22 with 22x9.5 +45

[Cbg]

Hi guys, I’m in a similar situation, have a D5 with 285/40/22 offset of 45 and I want to purchase a second set of rims and tyres. Looking at a Range Rover sport 2014 set of rims 20x8.5 with offset of 47. Trying to get an answer out of LR is impossible so are waiting on a response from the UK as to whether these rims will work.
Anyone have any ideas around a second set of rims to fit a D5 legally
Cheers

[Tombie]

Hi guys, I’m in a similar situation, have a D5 with 285/40/22 offset of 45 and I want to purchase a second set of rims and tyres. Looking at a Range Rover sport 2014 set of rims 20x8.5 with offset of 47. Trying to get an answer out of LR is impossible so are waiting on a response from the UK as to whether these rims will work.
Anyone have any ideas around a second set of rims to fit a D5 legally
Cheers

Read my post above... they will be fine.

[Cbg]

Hey toombie, thanks for your reply, I have read your post and agree looks like they’ll fit as the specs on the RRover 2014 rims match the OEM 20” D5 rims on paper. Getting a nod out of LRover Australia is another thing, so your thoughts are that the Range Rover rims would work on my D5?

[Tombie]

Hey toombie, thanks for your reply, I have read your post and agree looks like they’ll fit as the specs on the RRover 2014 rims match the OEM 20” D5 rims on paper. Getting a nod out of LRover Australia is another thing, so your thoughts are that the Range Rover rims would work on my D5?

Yes, I see no reason they won’t. And the D5 being lighter than a D4 they meet the load rating requirements also so should be all above board.

Don’t expect the Company to condone any changes to vehicle; none of the other brands will condone changes either.

[Cbg]

Yep agree, do you know if any companies that have steel rims in 20” or alternatively, any other rims that are D5 compatible
Thanks again mate

[Tombie]

Yep agree, do you know if any companies that have steel rims in 20” or alternatively, any other rims that are D5 compatible
Thanks again mate

There are multitudes of 20” Wheels that will suit.

Check out brands like Husla, Simmons etc.

The Australian D5 owners FB group has plenty of owners changing to aftermarket wheels - and they look great.

[Cbg]

My apologies I’m new to this forum, where would I find the D5 owners FB

[Tombie]

My apologies I’m new to this forum, where would I find the D5 owners FB

Facebook (FB)

A very active page.

[Graeme]

I have been told by the local tyre dealer that the only alternative that he can legally fit is a Pirelli Scorpion Verde of the same size which has a similar type of tread. I’m not talking serious off-roading, just off-bitumen like the GRR, GCR or Gary Junction.The new Pirelli All Terrain Plus is to be produced in P255/60R19XL 113V but no details on availability yet. Its not an extreme off-road tyre but too new for feedback on how suitable it might be for outback travel.

[Tombie]

I was told that the only legal alternatives are those that match the profile and load and speed ratings shown on the plaque on the door jam - the one that also has tyre pressures. Other tyres have not been homologated by the vehicle manufacturer.

That’s not correct in Australia.

For an offroad vehicle.

All you’ll need to have 4 tyres the same rolling diameter, a load rating that meets the minimum of the placard and a speed rating of N (140km/h).

[geckoPK]

The new Pirelli All Terrain Plus is to be produced in P255/60R19XL 113V but no details on availability yet. Its not an extreme off-road tyre but too new for feedback on how suitable it might be for outback travel.

I spoke to Pirelli Aust yesterday and they do not plan to release this tyre in Australia in the foreseeable future. It's a shame because these tyres (along with the Goodyear Wrangler All Terrain Adventure 255/60R19)would solve our problem accessing tyres to fit our 19" rims having a very similar rolling circumference to our current OEM tyres which are 'suitable for use on sealed roads and relatively smooth unsealed surfaces' (JLR Aust)
We have a Td6 SE All New Discovery and are seriously considering what action we should take as we consider that we have been sold a vehicle which is not fit for purpose. 19" rims and no tyres to take us off road.

[Graeme]

Pirelli Australia gave the same response to my inquiry about 275/55R20 a week before the size was listed on the Pirelli AU web-site although the US site listing the size still has no stock.

Apart from the expense of buying another set of rims, I suggest that you fit 20" and 275/55R20 for which quite a selection of tyres is available. It is only 1" larger OD than standard and fitted by many D5 owners.

[IndusD4]

I think the action you should take is to take the car off road with your existing tyres. As you have a new car I doubt you’d want to take it somewhere and risk damage to the bodywork, you would be surprised where the car will take you with the tyres that are on it now.

I have no intention of changing my tyres until they are worn but will happily take it anywhere where I took my old D4 with AT tyres.

Ron

[tony_s]

Hi geckoPK
I agree totally with your comments and have spent a long time on the phone and exchanging emails with the Land Rover CRC about the non-suitability of the Goodyear Eagle AT tyres for Australian conditions. They might be an AT tyre fit for the UK but they certainly aren’t an AT tyre for Australia. In 25000km including about 4000km of gravel roads I have blown the wall on two and split the centre of the tread on another two. It cost me around $1100 to get two new tyres and have them trucked from Melbourne to Tyrepower in Alice Springs. The Beaurepaire dealer there was a total waste of space.
The remaining tyres that have done 25000km are virtually stuffed with lots of chips and about 2mm of tread left.
My Beaurepaire dealer here asked me why I didn’t get decent AT tyres on the car when I bought it!
Land Rover CRC were dismissive and told me that the alternative was “255/55R20 110Q Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, a tyre that performs well both on and off road”. I thought that is what the OE tyres were supposed to do!! When I reminded them I have 19” rims and would have to spend about $7500 to buy 6 new Land Rover rims if I wanted to keep it original -plus 6 new tyres as well they didn’t even bother replying.
i think it is unbelievable that they market the New Discovery as one of the world’s best 4wds yet do not fit tyres to it to fulfil its purpose. Further, there are no suitable tyres of the correct size available in Australia. I am considering an approach to Fair Trading, although I doubt it will do much good.
Tony

[Geedublya]

You can buy suitable 20” wheels from L494 RRS owners who have swapped to 22” fairly cheap.

[tony_s]

You can buy suitable 20” wheels from L494 RRS owners who have swapped to 22” fairly cheap.

Maybe, but the car should come with suitable tyres. You shouldn’t have to fork out for new wheels or different tyres.
Tony

[DI5CO]

Maybe, but the car should come with suitable tyres. You shouldn’t have to fork out for new wheels or different tyres.
Tony

They are suitable for 90% of the time. Unless you buy a Ranger Raptor, old Defender or about 1 or 2 other brands, all cars have road biased tyres including Prado, Patrol, 200 series etc. it’s been happening forever, even my 1996 Disco had road biases tyres.

[IndusD4]

Could you not fit 255/55/R19 tyres instead? There appears to be more choice of rubber in that size.

General Grabber AT3
Continental Cros4x4Contact
Hankook Dynapro AT-m
Kumho Road venture AT51
Pirelli Scorpio AT plus
Pirelli Scorpio ATR

And this is just the list from one tyre supplier.

Ron

[geckoPK]

Hi geckoPK
I agree totally with your comments and have spent a long time on the phone and exchanging emails with the Land Rover CRC about the non-suitability of the Goodyear Eagle AT tyres for Australian conditions. They might be an AT tyre fit for the UK but they certainly aren’t an AT tyre for Australia. In 25000km including about 4000km of gravel roads I have blown the wall on two and split the centre of the tread on another two. It cost me around $1100 to get two new tyres and have them trucked from Melbourne to Tyrepower in Alice Springs. The Beaurepaire dealer there was a total waste of space.
The remaining tyres that have done 25000km are virtually stuffed with lots of chips and about 2mm of tread left.
My Beaurepaire dealer here asked me why I didn’t get decent AT tyres on the car when I bought it!
Land Rover CRC were dismissive and told me that the alternative was “255/55R20 110Q Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac, a tyre that performs well both on and off road”. I thought that is what the OE tyres were supposed to do!! When I reminded them I have 19” rims and would have to spend about $7500 to buy 6 new Land Rover rims if I wanted to keep it original -plus 6 new tyres as well they didn’t even bother replying.
i think it is unbelievable that they market the New Discovery as one of the world’s best 4wds yet do not fit tyres to it to fulfil its purpose. Further, there are no suitable tyres of the correct size available in Australia. I am considering an approach to Fair Trading, although I doubt it will do much good.
Tony

Thanks for the reply, Tony.

We are obviously in the same boat as you regarding suitability of tyres and JLR Aust. We've been in consultation with them , our dealer and JLR UK over the tyre issue of 19" rims for about 4 months now. It would seem to be a clear case of vehicles being sold that are 'not fit for purpose' . We've trolled through all the glossy brochures and can find no reference to the SE with 19" rims being excluded from venturing off-road (ever) because there are no tyres approved by JLR. To their credit, they have been talking to us even though we've had to do the chasing. I think that if a product is 'not fit for purpose' , Fair Trading should take an interest.

geckoPK

[geckoPK]

I think the action you should take is to take the car off road with your existing tyres. As you have a new car I doubt you’d want to take it somewhere and risk damage to the bodywork, you would be surprised where the car will take you with the tyres that are on it now.

I have no intention of changing my tyres until they are worn but will happily take it anywhere where I took my old D4 with AT tyres.

Ron

Hi, Ron,

I would love to take the vehicle off road with the OE tyres but, according to JLR Aust, they are "suitable for use on sealed roads and relatively smooth unsealed surfaces". I'd imagine they'd be reluctant to honour warranty work if damage was done if I went, say, to Peachtrees NP here in QLD. The road in is certainly not '....relatively smooth unsealed roads' and neither are many roads that lead to destinations I'd like to venture into.

geckoPK

[IndusD4]

Hi geckoPK

I understand where you're coming from but I don't see what damage you'd be doing to the car by having road biased tyres. Other than damage to the tyres themselves which I'm unsure you could claim on warranty. My D4 was on it's original Goodyear road biased tyres and fairly worn down but I completed the Advanced 4WD Drive & recovery course without any issues or damage to the car and its systems. Granted, if you're going to play in mud then I agree they wouldn't be suitable at all.

Ron

[Graeme]

We've trolled through all the glossy brochures and can find no reference to the SE with 19" rims being excluded from venturing off-road (ever) because there are no tyres approved by JLR. To their credit, they have been talking to us even though we've had to do the chasing. I think that if a product is 'not fit for purpose' , Fair Trading should take an interest.

geckoPK
Can you ask LR to swap your 19" for 20" to satisfy your unsealed road requirement?

[tony_s]

Thanks for the reply, Tony.

We are obviously in the same boat as you regarding suitability of tyres and JLR Aust. We've been in consultation with them , our dealer and JLR UK over the tyre issue of 19" rims for about 4 months now. It would seem to be a clear case of vehicles being sold that are 'not fit for purpose' . We've trolled through all the glossy brochures and can find no reference to the SE with 19" rims being excluded from venturing off-road (ever) because there are no tyres approved by JLR. To their credit, they have been talking to us even though we've had to do the chasing. I think that if a product is 'not fit for purpose' , Fair Trading should take an interest.

geckoPK

I will be interested to hear how you get on.
Tony

[geckoPK]

Hi geckoPK

I understand where you're coming from but I don't see what damage you'd be doing to the car by having road biased tyres. Other than damage to the tyres themselves which I'm unsure you could claim on warranty. My D4 was on it's original Goodyear road biased tyres and fairly worn down but I completed the Advanced 4WD Drive & recovery course without any issues or damage to the car and its systems. Granted, if you're going to play in mud then I agree they wouldn't be suitable at all.

Ron
Ron,

I believe the vehicle is and would be able to handle all sorts of terrain but, should a warranty issue arise, would JLR honour it if the damage was attributed to taking street tyres into into off-road territory?

Quote from Tombi 21 April 2018 in this forum:
"Also, historically, LRA has used alternative tyres as a reason to question warranty around suspension, vibration, steering etc. (I’m not debating, just quoting)."
I'm sure the same would apply to OE tyres being used on inappropriate terrain.

geckoPK

[SBD4]

Ron,

I believe the vehicle is and would be able to handle all sorts of terrain but, should a warranty issue arise, would JLR honour it if the damage was attributed to taking street tyres into into off-road territory?

Quote from Tombi 21 April 2018 in this forum:
"Also, historically, LRA has used alternative tyres as a reason to question warranty around suspension, vibration, steering etc. (I’m not debating, just quoting)."
I'm sure the same would apply to OE tyres being used on inappropriate terrain.

geckoPK
You're overthinking it, just get out there and have a go. If you're on road biased tyres drive accordingly. You'll be fine. If you're taking it easy what's the worst that can happen? A scratch on the rims I reckon. Change the rims to 20's and put on the tyres you want or make the best of th19's. The only area you would have issue with JLR on is if you started to complain about vibration or noise etc...they wont do anything until you put OEM tyre/rims back on.

[Disco-tastic]

Ron,

I believe the vehicle is and would be able to handle all sorts of terrain but, should a warranty issue arise, would JLR honour it if the damage was attributed to taking street tyres into into off-road territory?

Quote from Tombi 21 April 2018 in this forum:
"Also, historically, LRA has used alternative tyres as a reason to question warranty around suspension, vibration, steering etc. (I’m not debating, just quoting)."
I'm sure the same would apply to OE tyres being used on inappropriate terrain.

geckoPKAm i right in thinking that's more blaming the tyres for the symptoms?

If you can reproduce the symptoms on a set of road tyres then why shouldn't the warranty be honoured?

If JLR are claiming that the use of a different tyre to what the vehicle was shipped with has caused damage to the suspension or steering then I'm more than a little worried...

[IndusD4]

Since LRA gave geckoPG an Experience voucher they must have thought the vehicle was capable of going off road with the standard tyres.

It begs the question that when it comes to changing any tyres, would they need to be LR approved ones? I would doubt that very much unless LRA can come up with a list? Also, on 235/65R19 tyres the sidewall would absorb more bumps than a lower sidewall tyre on 20" rims - ie less vibrations to the suspension components rather than more.

And should LRA refuse a warranty claim on the basis of the tyre profile, shouldn't they have to prove that? Innocent until proven guilty? And if they say it is because you took it off road then just say the surface was as "reasonably smooth off road" as the roads we went on with the LRA provided Land Rover Experience voucher.

Ron

[geckoPK]

Am i right in thinking that's more blaming the tyres for the symptoms?

If you can reproduce the symptoms on a set of road tyres then why shouldn't the warranty be honoured?

If JLR are claiming that the use of a different tyre to what the vehicle was shipped with has caused damage to the suspension or steering then I'm more than a little worried...

That seems to be the angle that JLR are coming from. They won't condone the use of any tyre other that the ones they have approved eg the 255/55R20 on a 20" rims. Anything else will void the warranty.

"...I have been advised that Land Rover Australia, under any circumstance, will not make any exceptions or authorise tyres that have not been certified by Land Rover UK Engineering. While you are at liberty to fit after market items that are suitable for the particular usage you seek (as long as it is done in accordance with the relevant state laws including speed and load ratings) please acknowledge that any subsequent issues caused by such items will not be covered by your warranty." ....quoted from an email received from JLR Aust.

Apparently the 255/55R19 are approved in the UK but this approval has not transferred to Australia....."The OE tyres are fitted such that the vehicle meets stringent government regulations covering emissions plus are rated for fuel consumption, wet grip and noise." Quoted from another email from JLR.
Can Australia's tyre regulations be any more stringent than the European regulations that the UK has to follow??

[Disco-tastic]

That seems to be the angle that JLR are coming from. They won't condone the use of any tyre other that the ones they have approved eg the 255/55R20 on a 20" rims. Anything else will void the warranty.

"...I have been advised that Land Rover Australia, under any circumstance, will not make any exceptions or authorise tyres that have not been certified by Land Rover UK Engineering. While you are at liberty to fit after market items that are suitable for the particular usage you seek (as long as it is done in accordance with the relevant state laws including speed and load ratings) please acknowledge that any subsequent issues caused by such items will not be covered by your warranty." ....quoted from an email received from JLR Aust.

Apparently the 255/55R19 are approved in the UK but this approval has not transferred to Australia.....presumably because we have such stringent regulations with regard to tyres....That seems like a fairly standard statement, but they (should) have to prove that the damage to said part was caused by the 'aftermarket' tyres. Which I don't know how you would do that

[WhiteD3]

Gents,

I've read through this thread and can see some comment re what's allowed and what's not but some of this reads as opinion only (no offense intended). Can anyone point me in the direction of the facts/rules re what I can fit to the D5 without running the risk of voiding warranty or insurance please?

I've got 20" OEM rims on the D5 and I want to fit some AT tyres. But.........I can't find any tyres that align with the sizes stated on the plate on the car.

Pirelli do a Scorpion ATR in P275/55R20 111S
Pirelli do an all terrain plus 275/55R20 113T
Goodyear do a Wrangler All Terrain Adventure 275/65R20 and a 265/50R20
BFG do a KO2 in a 275/55R20 115S

None of which match the plate!

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[Gregz]

You could try a General Grabber AT3 in 255/55 R20. No idea how good they are, though. If you get them, let us know [bigsmile1]

[Graeme]

Duratracs are listed on the Goodyear AU site in 255/55R20 but are quite an aggressive AT.

[WhiteD3]

QLD TMR rules re tyres

Frequently asked questions—vehicle standards and modifications (Department of Transport and Main Roads) (https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-modifications/Frequently-asked-questions-vehicle-standards-and-modifications#lptyres)

[weeds]

These docs may help for qlders


Not that I can follow this table. Apparently it the latest draft....I believe the authorities have buckled and will allow 25mm lift from tyre so 50mm diameter increase.
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Wheel track can increase by 50mm
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[discojools]

Crikey that is all so confusing. Why can't they just have the same rules in all states? I ran the 275/55/20 Scorpion ATRs on my RRS for a while here in Victoria. Was that illegal here or if I had driven to Queensland could I have been booked? Was considering some BFG KO2s for my yet to arrive SDV8. Will have to decipher the regs.

[Graeme]

I ran the 275/55/20 Scorpion ATRs on my RRS for a while....Was considering some BFG KO2s for my yet to arrive SDV8. You might want to consider the new Scorpion AT+ if staying with this size and not particularly looking for an LT tyre. Their tread and voids (all full depth) are as wide as the KO2s, much wider and more open than the ATRs and LI 113 instead of 110. I'm trying to get more use out of my KO2s before fitting the AT+ that are already in the shed.

[weeds]

Crikey that is all so confusing. Why can't they just have the same rules in all states? I ran the 275/55/20 Scorpion ATRs on my RRS for a while here in Victoria. Was that illegal here or if I had driven to Queensland could I have been booked? Was considering some BFG KO2s for my yet to arrive SDV8. Will have to decipher the regs.

Queensland have release a press statement say if your van is legal in the state it’s registered that you will have no issues in Queensland.

The way I read it for Queensland going forward is, no approval/engineering etc

50mm suspension
25mm tyre
50mm tyre track

[WhiteD3]

Have just fitted a set of Pirelli Scorpion all terrain plus 275/55R20. Test report to come..........

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[tony_s]

Look good. I’ll be very interested in what you think of them.
Tony

[WhiteD3]

Have just fitted a set of Pirelli Scorpion all terrain plus 275/55R20. Test report to come..........


Yet to go off road with these but my big concern was road noise as I do a lot of highway miles. Did the big test this morning on the M1 between Brisbane and the GC which is a concrete road. It can be very noisy with the wrong tyres (The two RRS' we have at work are terrible on this road). I found the Scorpion All Terrian Plus quiet; quieter than the OEM Goodyear Eagle F1 AT.

Cheers.

[Geedublya]

Please give us your feedback on wet and dry traction on bitumen.

I’m a bit worried the RRS might over power them.

[jeffele]

Streczlecki track Oodnadatta track and minor really bad stony and sandy roads had the better of my original mount tyres: driving too fast, wrong pressures really bad roads.

Put on LT255/55R19 AT 980 BRAVO from MAXXIS. All good now.

[gavinadams]

For those interested, On this just published, these trial vehicles for German police, have the vehicles fitted with general 255/55R20 Grabber AT tyres.


The Discovery 5’s of the German Federal Police – Expedition Portal (https://expeditionportal.com/the-discovery-5s-of-the-german-federal-police/)

[RobA]

Do we know any more about the hidden winch cradle make/supplier?

Rob

[IndusD4]

This should probably be in the winch thread, but since you ask.

The Warn Zeon 8 CE winch used in those vehicles looks remarkably similar to the drawings in the LR D5 workshop manual fitting instructions.

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Ron

[andhad]

Do we know any more about the hidden winch cradle make/supplier?

Rob

Hey Rob,

The German police cradles are unlikely to be from WildBear as the fair lead is mounted lower than theirs, it is closer to the Matzker and Lucky8 exit point. You would think they have gone with a German supplier if available.

Andrew

[Gregz]

Yet to go off road with these but my big concern was road noise as I do a lot of highway miles. Did the big test this morning on the M1 between Brisbane and the GC which is a concrete road. It can be very noisy with the wrong tyres (The two RRS' we have at work are terrible on this road). I found the Scorpion All Terrian Plus quiet; quieter than the OEM Goodyear Eagle F1 AT.

Cheers.

Hi WhiteD3 - any further report on your AT+ tyres?
....Greg

[WhiteD3]

Still happy with them having now done 8k. Did a trip on sand up to Double Island Point. They went well. Never looked liked getting bogged even though (as a test) I didn't deflate. My theory there being they have a bigger footprint than what I had on the D4 on a car weighting 500kg less.

The other thing I like is there's no rubbing (that I can see) at access height.

[Graeme]

The driver in this article seems to like his vehicle's size.
Pirelli Scorpion AT+ Long Term Review - Reviews - Tyre Review Australia (https://www.tyrereview.com.au/pirelli-scorpion-at-long-term-review)

Mine will be fitted next week.

[andhad]

I finally got my 18 inch TuffAnt rims and 285/65/18 Toyo Open Country R/T’s fitted on Friday. They really fill out the wheel wells and no rubbing, even on access height.

[andhad]

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[80LIX]

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Looks good Andhad. I’ve just bought some Tiffant too just need to pick them up!

How you finding that size and what you think of the RT’s

[andhad]

Looks good Andhad. I’ve just bought some Tiffant too just need to pick them up!

How you finding that size and what you think of the RT’s

So far so good but I got them fitted Friday and ripped the front end off to install a winch on Saturday, so it is still on the stands and will be back together tonight I hope! I was hoping to take it off-road on Saturday so I guess I’ll know a bit more then. The tyres are louder though.

[Rovingwill]

After a longwait received my Tuffant wheels a couple of weeks ago. I choose to fit tyresclose to standard, 265/65x18 LT Cooper AT3 I had 265/60x18 AT3s on my D3 and Iwas happy with them. Tyre sensors swapped over no problems and no problemsbalancing up wheels.
The Steeringis slightly heavier but this is not really a problem as the steering was a bitlight anyhow and it’s not as precise as 20” wheels. The ride on the other handis better over things like joints in cement roads. There hasn’t been anoticeable increase in road noise and performance doesn’t appear to be affected,yet to determine any change in fuel consumption.
The other day went for a quick trip up to Mt Coreeunfortunately it wasn’t as challenging as I remember in the 90’s but did give abit of an idea how it would go off road. On corrugated gravel roads the ride isbetter even at road pressures and even better with reduced pressures. I droppedthe pressure to 25 psi and looks like there is plenty leeway to reducepressures further unlike lower profile tyres. It has reduced the feeling ofsuspension topping out that I got with the 20” wheels as well.
My onlyissue I have is the clearance between the rim and brake calipers whether theremight be problems in coarse river sand or mud, time will tell.
Now I havetyres that I can confidently to take off road and outback with better comfort and4x4 ability probably not as good in the bends (still better than any 4x4 I haveowned) but I have my motorbikes for that.

[Rovingwill]

After a longwait received my Tuffant wheels a couple of weeks ago. I choose to fit tyresclose to standard, 265/65x18 LT Cooper AT3 I had 265/60x18 AT3s on my D3 and Iwas happy with them. Tyre sensors swapped over no problems and no problemsbalancing up wheels.
The Steeringis slightly heavier but this is not really a problem as the steering was a bitlight anyhow and it’s not as precise as 20” wheels. The ride on the other handis better over things like joints in cement roads. There hasn’t been anoticeable increase in road noise and performance doesn’t appear to be affected,yet to determine any change in fuel consumption.
The other day went for a quick trip up to Mt Coreeunfortunately it wasn’t as challenging as I remember in the 90’s but did give abit of an idea how it would go off road. On corrugated gravel roads the ride isbetter even at road pressures and even better with reduced pressures. I droppedthe pressure to 25 psi and looks like there is plenty leeway to reducepressures further unlike lower profile tyres. It has reduced the feeling ofsuspension topping out that I got with the 20” wheels as well.
My onlyissue I have is the clearance between the rim and brake calipers whether theremight be problems in coarse river sand or mud, time will tell.
Now I havetyres that I can confidently to take off road and outback with better comfort and4x4 ability probably not as good in the bends (still better than any 4x4 I haveowned) but I have my motorbikes for that.

[blackrangie]

Hey Rob,

The German police cradles are unlikely to be from WildBear as the fair lead is mounted lower than theirs, it is closer to the Matzker and Lucky8 exit point. You would think they have gone with a German supplier if available.

AndrewWould be from JLR factory imo

[blackrangie]

Do we know any more about the hidden winch cradle make/supplier?

RobTry Lucky8 aswell.

[kruff73]

Been back and forth with many sleepless nights on tyres and think I am just going to follow what JLR suggest (shocking I know) and put a set of 255/55/r20 wrangler duratracs on. Can’t be all that bad. 90% city driving but I definitely have some trips planned incl Vic High Country and don’t want to have two sets of tyres and rims. I’m sure they will perform well off road and also be able to rely on them for the suburban school run 🧐

Any one think this is a bad idea?? The stick tyres which have 16k on them still have life so will run them down but they did get chipped to buggery on the Land Rover experience day which was disappointing.

[Graeme]

IMO the Pirelli AT+is a better all-round tyre and with more side-wall height in 275/55R20 but if wanting to stay OE diameter then the AT+ isn't an option.

[kruff73]

IMO the Pirelli AT+is a better all-round tyre and with more side-wall height in 275/55R20 but if wanting to stay OE diameter then the AT+ isn't an option.

I did look at those and they look great - probably better for the 90% in road too. Increasing sidewall was high on the agenda initially but then I realised it’s only a 10mm increase (I think??) and honestly I don’t see how it can make that much difference when you’re on the trail (I’m now ducking waiting for incoming fire). Yes it’s better but I don’t think on that size Tyre it’s going to be a clear difference between high performance and low performance - even big tyres with extra tough sidewalks can get a puncture. If you hit the wrong rock etc.. but I am far from an expert on this topic. Just my thinking and trying to keep it simple.

Has anyone had a bad experience with Wrangler Duratracs? Reviews for what they’re worth, seem mostly filled with praise.

[Graeme]

I have a set of part-worn LT245/70R17 Duratrac in my shed that I had for a D4 as a 2nd set as they were too noisy for me for general use although quite happy with them on trips where there was a reason for the better traction. However in that size the voids are wider and deeper than those on 255/55R19 (which I expect to be very similar to 255/55R20) so I'm not surprised at the lack of noise reports from people with the 19" version. I'm not a fan of oversize tyres but want as much sidewall as I can get as I drive a rocky stretch daily with the gravel quite large and sharp and 255/55R19 Duratracs have been torn to shreds by some people who may or may not have driven with regard to them being passenger rated. My AT+ are LI 113 whereas IIRC the 255/55R20 Duratrac are only LI 110.

[kruff73]

Hmmm, definitely something to think consider now. Nothing like real world experience. Thanks for the input.

[tony_s]

Anyone know anything about the Kumho Road Venture AT 51 255 55 r19?
Tony

[kruff73]

So just an update - Goodyear have only 3 tyres in 255/55/R20 Duratracs in stock and no idea on when next lot due in but minimum of 8 weeks. Same goes for AT3 Grabbers.

So I’m going to go with Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain plus 275/55 or Cooper AT3XLT 275/55 which also looks like a bloody good tire. Comments based on experience welcome ;)

[Zeros]

Anyone know anything about the Kumho Road Venture AT 51 255 55 r19?
Tony

I've had Kumho Road Venture AT 51's in 235/85R16 on my Defender for approx 10,000km. They're excellent on gravel and rocky tracks. No punctures yet, but the 85 sidewalls are tall. Not sure how good the sidewalls would be if only 55's? On road they've become a little noisy, but pretty good for their slightly more aggressive AT tread pattern.

[tony_s]

Thanks Zeros. I ended up buying the Maxxis Bravo AT 980 for just under $300 each fitted and balanced. I’ll see how they go.
Tony

[Graeme]

So I’m going to go with Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain plus 275/55 or Cooper AT3XLT 275/55 which also looks like a bloody good tire. Comments based on experience welcome ;)One of my new 275/55R20 AT+ recently picked-up a u-shaped sharp fragment of metal, with 1 end barely marking the tread block but the other end punching through the very top of the sidewall thus destroying the tyre. I've probably been driving over this fragment for the last month because it was on the roadway as I enter my gate but this time it was picked-up and driven into the tyre. I'm reminded of a similar stake in a 16" LT BFG AT in the same area of the tyre with the same results so can't particularly blame the tyre.

[Numb Thumbs]

This stuff does your head in... I looked at an SE in the dealers with 19" rims. Tyre placard said 235/65R19 tyres. It has 255/60R19 tyres on it.

I am thinking of going with 20" rims and 275/55R20 tyres as the possibilities in 255/55/20 are very limited. My driving, when being realistic, will be 70% to 80% dirt/sand/rocky and the rest bitumen around town and getting to the dirt/sand/rocky stuff. It will be a V6.

the 255/55R20 tyres are 31" - 787mm - and the 275/55R20 tyres are 2.9% bigger at 31.9" - 810mm.

In 255/55R20 all I could find was:

Grabber AT3 110H XL
Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 110H XL

In 275/55R20 I found many more options:

BFG KO2 115/112S
Nitto Ridge Grappler LT 120Q
Pirelli Scorpion AT+ 113T
Nitto Terra Grappler 117T
Dick Cepek Trail Country 117T
Falken Wildpeak AT3W 117T
Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac 113S
Cooper AT3LT 120S
Cooper Zeon XL 117S

The two Nittos and the Falken seem good options, and the Ridge Grappler has the bonus of being LT275/55R20 and 120Q. I can get the Ridge Grapplers and Wildpeaks for $375 a corner and the Terra Grapplers for $340.

Ahhhh.... Decisions! Any thoughts, anyone? Experience? I tow around 2 tonnes and would really like to avoid punctures, but my days of hero tracks are behind me...

Cheers
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[Geedublya]

This stuff does your head in... I looked at an SE in the dealers with 19" rims. Tyre placard said 235/65R19 tyres. It has 255/60R19 tyres on it.

I am thinking of going with 20" rims and 275/55R20 tyres as the possibilities in 255/55/20 are very limited. My driving, when being realistic, will be 70% to 80% dirt/sand/rocky and the rest bitumen around town and getting to the dirt/sand/rocky stuff. It will be a V6.

the 255/55R20 tyres are 31" - 787mm - and the 275/55R20 tyres are 2.9% bigger at 31.9" - 810mm.

In 255/55R20 all I could find was:

Grabber AT3 110H XL
Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 110H XL

In 275/55R20 I found many more options:

BFG KO2 115/112S
Nitto Ridge Grappler LT 120Q
Pirelli Scorpion AT+ 113T
Nitto Terra Grappler 117T
Dick Cepek Trail Country 117T
Falken Wildpeak AT3W 117T
Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac 113S
Cooper AT3LT 120S
Cooper Zeon XL 117S

The two Nittos and the Falken seem good options, and the Ridge Grappler has the bonus of being LT275/55R20 and 120Q. I can get the Ridge Grapplers and Wildpeaks for $375 a corner and the Terra Grapplers for $340.

Ahhhh.... Decisions! Any thoughts, anyone? Experience? I tow around 2 tonnes and would really like to avoid punctures, but my days of hero tracks are behind me...

Cheers
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I got the Falkens for $270 in Sydney. Based on reviews and my experience with Nitto Terra Grapplers I think the Wildpeaks are the better tyre.

[Graeme]

How much tyre noise can you tolerate? I found the KO2s became far too noisy on my L322 and now the AT+ very minimal noise and certainly no whining or resonance. My AT+ have recently endured an outback SA trip and although I managed to destroy one on a large embedded piece of limestone on the Nullabor which also damaged the rim, I consider the AT+ more than adequately robust for rough but fast outback roads/tracks.

[Numb Thumbs]

Geedublya

How do you like the Falkens? I have heard that they get a bit loud so it would be good to hear from someone who uses them.

Cheers
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[Geedublya]

I only have 5K km on mine but I'm very happy with all aspects. Noise is a tiny hum that my wife hasn't noticed.

[Numb Thumbs]

Geedublya

Thanks for that. I wonder how long before she does notice? Just keep the music going...

Love the name, by the way!

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Hugh Jars]

So did you pull the trigger on the D5, NT? Are you trading the GC in?

[Numb Thumbs]

Getting a lot closer...

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Scotto]

This stuff does your head in... I looked at an SE in the dealers with 19" rims. Tyre placard said 235/65R19 tyres. It has 255/60R19 tyres on it.

I am thinking of going with 20" rims and 275/55R20 tyres as the possibilities in 255/55/20 are very limited. My driving, when being realistic, will be 70% to 80% dirt/sand/rocky and the rest bitumen around town and getting to the dirt/sand/rocky stuff. It will be a V6.

the 255/55R20 tyres are 31" - 787mm - and the 275/55R20 tyres are 2.9% bigger at 31.9" - 810mm.

In 255/55R20 all I could find was:

Grabber AT3 110H XL
Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac 110H XL

In 275/55R20 I found many more options:

BFG KO2 115/112S
Nitto Ridge Grappler LT 120Q
Pirelli Scorpion AT+ 113T
Nitto Terra Grappler 117T
Dick Cepek Trail Country 117T
Falken Wildpeak AT3W 117T
Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac 113S
Cooper AT3LT 120S
Cooper Zeon XL 117S

The two Nittos and the Falken seem good options, and the Ridge Grappler has the bonus of being LT275/55R20 and 120Q. I can get the Ridge Grapplers and Wildpeaks for $375 a corner and the Terra Grapplers for $340.

Ahhhh.... Decisions! Any thoughts, anyone? Experience? I tow around 2 tonnes and would really like to avoid punctures, but my days of hero tracks are behind me...

Cheers
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I am looking to trade our current D4 in on a D5 and have been running General Grabbers on our 19's in the D4 with out any trouble. I would go with the 3 litre D5 and 20" and have been told the following options match the manufactures specs :-

1) Good Year DuraTrac 255/55 R20 - 110QXL
2) Coopers SRX 255/55R 20

Changing to a 275/55/20 falls outside of the manufacturer recommendations. I have seen cars where this tyre change over was done and it seems to be fine - other than it will have a small effect on the speedo...

Thanks to the forum users here being open and honest with their experiences - I am almost ready to commit to a new D5 [tonguewink]

Thanks Scott

[Numb Thumbs]

Thanks, Scotto.

I am in Adelaide at the moment, helping out at the4WD show. I will have a good look at the Goodyear Duratracs while I am here ad try to talk to a few people. I am thinking Duratracs in 255/55 R20..

The quest continues!

Cheers
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[Bonino]

I just bought a Disco 5 with the 19inch wheels. At the moment, I’m not sure if the car will come with 235 or 255 tyres. Has anyone managed to find decent AT tyres that will fit nicely on these wheels?

[Numb Thumbs]

Bonino
My understanding is that the 19" rims come with 255/60R19 tyres. I cannot find any AT tyres in that size. You have to go down to 255/55R19 and there are several options:

255/55R19
Maxxis 980 LT 115/112
Pirelli Scorpion ATR 111H XL
Grabber AT3 111H XL
Hankook Dynapro AT-m
Pirelli Scorpion AT+ 111H XL
Toyo Open Country AT Plus XL 111H XL
Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac XL 111Q

Cheers
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[Bonino]

Thanks, Numb Thumbs.

Going through the thread, there’s a bit of discussion in terms of whether that size is road legal or not - has anybody gotten to the bottom of this?

[Numb Thumbs]

The 255/55R19 tyres are 26 mm in diameter which is 3% smaller - 789mm versus 763 mm. This seems to be not recommended.

Legalities wise, people always seem to talk about going bigger, not smaller. I tried looking on the VICROADS website and gave up.

Cheers
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[Bonino]

Yea, that’s what I thought.

I’ve asked Goodyear Australia if there’s a way to order in from the US, as they have an AT tyre in this size.

[Graeme]

Convince Pirelli to make their AT+ in the size that they already make in Verde All Season with its LI 113 rating for LRs. They were intending to make them, having issued a product code for it.

[Graeme]

I’ve asked Goodyear Australia if there’s a way to order in from the US, as they have an AT tyre in this size.
The GY tyre only has LI 109.

[Bonino]

I found a guy on ebay AU selling four 20 inch wheels for $1,700. I think I’ll get them, so I can then fit proper AT tyres on the car

[blackrangie]

The 255/55R19 tyres are 26 mm in diameter which is 3% smaller - 789mm versus 763 mm. This seems to be not recommended.

Legalities wise, people always seem to talk about going bigger, not smaller. I tried looking on the VICROADS website and gave up.

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)If its not illegal its fine. I dont think for a 4x4 its ever wise to reduce tyre circumference for obvious reasons.

[Numb Thumbs]

If its not illegal its fine. I dont think for a 4x4 its ever wise to reduce tyre circumference for obvious reasons.

Back from Adelaide. I spoke to several tyre reps and the Land Rover rep. All said 255/55R19 is illegal. You can go 50 mm bigger on a 4WD, but only 15 mm smaller.

I will go with Duratracs in 255/55R20 - original size so they can't blame me!

Cheers
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[Numb Thumbs]

Ahhhhh..... Tyres do my head in. I have ordered Nitto Terra Grappler G2 in 275/55R20.

Cheers
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[Bonino]

[QUOTE=Numb Thumbs;2949150]Ahhhhh..... Tyres do my head in. I have ordered Nitto Terra Grappler G2 in 275/55R20.

i had those on my old Jeep and they’re a bit noisy...

[Numb Thumbs]

Were they the first Terrra Grapplers or the newer G2?

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Bonino]

G2 - I had them on 265/50r20

[Numb Thumbs]

Like I said, "Tyres do my head in."


Your suggestion?

Cheers
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[Bonino]

I hear good things about Toyo Open Country AT2. I’ve never tried them though

[Numb Thumbs]

Unfortunately, they are not available in a suitable size Only 265/50R20 which is 15 mm smaller diametre than the stock 255/55R20.

Oh, what fun!

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[tony_s]

Back from Adelaide. I spoke to several tyre reps and the Land Rover rep. All said 255/55R19 is illegal. You can go 50 mm bigger on a 4WD, but only 15 mm smaller.

Hi Numb Thumbs
all I can find for NSW is that alternative tyres cannot reduce or increase the diameter by more than 7%. As you noted earlier the 255 55 r19 have a 3% smaller diameter. The Maxxis also have a higher load rating but S vs H speed rating (180kph).
Tony

[blackrangie]

Back from Adelaide. I spoke to several tyre reps and the Land Rover rep. All said 255/55R19 is illegal. You can go 50 mm bigger on a 4WD, but only 15 mm smaller.

Hi Numb Thumbs
all I can find for NSW is that alternative tyres cannot reduce or increase the diameter by more than 7%. As you noted earlier the 255 55 r19 have a 3% smaller diameter. The Maxxis also have a higher load rating but S vs H speed rating (180kph).
TonyIn NSW there is the +50mm susp rule and total 75mm rule which includes +50mm tyre increase over stock including vehicles with ETC without engineering.

[Tombie]

You’d be crazy to reduce tyre diameter. [emoji41]

The Nitto are a good tyre. A simple RoT is the more blocky the tread the more noise they tend to make.

Any AT will be a trade off, if you want it as quiet as stock, stick to HTs.

[Numb Thumbs]

I'd like to avoid punctures, but not compromise on road, wet and dry, handling if I can.

Cheers
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[shanegtr]

I hear good things about Toyo Open Country AT2. I’ve never tried them though
Well, I'll put out some bad then. They are crap on wet bitumen

[Scotto]

Thanks, Scotto.

I am in Adelaide at the moment, helping out at the4WD show. I will have a good look at the Goodyear Duratracs while I am here ad try to talk to a few people. I am thinking Duratracs in 255/55 R20..

The quest continues!

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

I collect our new D5 "Land Mark" edition tomorrow and the dealer has fitted BGF 275/55/20's to the 20" rims ;-) I have made extensive enquires and while it is not "recommended" the 275's fit inside of the national "legal" guide lines on a 20" rim set up originally with 255/55/20's ;-)

A number of D5 owners have told me there are no rubbing issues and have run them as low as 15psi.

I'll post a pic when we pick her up ;-)

Regards Scotto

[Disco-tastic]

You’d be crazy to reduce tyre diameter. [emoji41]

The Nitto are a good tyre. A simple RoT is the more blocky the tread the more noise they tend to make.

Any AT will be a trade off, if you want it as quiet as stock, stick to HTs.Tombie did you end up trying the Monsta Terrain Grippers?

[Geedublya]

Tombie did you end up trying the Monsta Terrain Grippers?

I had them after the Nitto TG and preferred them. A tiny bit noisier but better grip. Not as good as the Falken Wildpeaks though.

[Tombie]

Tombie did you end up trying the Monsta Terrain Grippers?

I went the Monsta Muds - awesome offroad, good road grip and wet performance - noisy as all hell [emoji41]

I run Wildpeaks for most use on Simmons now and have the others for play

[tony_s]

This is interesting for NSW owners. Presumably other states have similar guidelines.
https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/standards/vsi-09-alternative-wheels-tyres.pdf
Most alternative tyres for the D5 are likely to have a higher load rating and lower speed rating than the original tyres.
Tony

[Tombie]

Lower speed rating as long as it’s “S” if I recall are acceptable in AU as long as it has the load rating.

That document from RMS is odd...

[tony_s]

“• If the speed rating of the tyres specified for your vehicle is higher than 180 km/h, you may fit tyres with a lower speed rating, but not lower than the vehicle’s top speed”

S speed rating is 180 kph, D5 specified top speed 240 kph.

Tony

[Graeme]

The bulletin uses the word "should" in regard to speed rating, not "must". It is only a recommendation.

[blackrangie]

What are people using to correct speedos on latest gen rovers?

[Tombie]

What are people using to correct speedos on latest gen rovers?

Bigger tyres... [emoji41]

GAP will sort it if they haven’t already.

[Numb Thumbs]

“• If the speed rating of the tyres specified for your vehicle is higher than 180 km/h, you may fit tyres with a lower speed rating, but not lower than the vehicle’s top speed”

S speed rating is 180 kph, D5 specified top speed 240 kph.

Tony

That would cut down on the options...

I thought the Federal rules made an exception for "4WDs".

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Tombie]

That would cut down on the options...

I thought the Federal rules made an exception for "4WDs".

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

It doesn’t cut down options. Recommended is not the same as must.

S rating is perfectly acceptable.

[Graeme]

IIRC it is a minimum of N speed rating for 4WDs.

[Numb Thumbs]

So just about anything is okay.

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[greg-g]

Bigger tyres... [emoji41]

GAP will sort it if they haven’t already.

Do you think GAP will ever get full functionality for the IIDTool on the latest generation of LandRovers? We have been waiting a long time

[blackrangie]

Do you think GAP will ever get full functionality for the IIDTool on the latest generation of LandRovers? We have been waiting a long time LR are on record for being open to give code to aftermarket re: new defender dependent on end result trying to achieve of course.

Probs a question for Gap, maybe start a thread just on that, get support, show gap if not done already

[tony_s]

The Cooper Tires website has this:
"Australian Vehicle Standards rules state that a 4WD manufactured with off-road features must have a tyre speed rating of N (140km/h) or greater."
So just about anything goes!
Tony

[WhiteD3]

Now done 40k on the Pirelli Scorpion all terrain plus 275/55R20 113T. Lots of rain this week and especially today. Out and about in the disco today to find it has lost a lot of grip in the wet which is disappointing to say the least. There's a lot of tread left on the tyres but obviously their ability to deal with water on the road has diminished a lot.


Still happy with them having now done 8k...........

[kruff73]

Now done 40k on the Pirelli Scorpion all terrain plus 275/55R20 113T. Lots of rain this week and especially today. Out and about in the disco today to find it has lost a lot of grip in the wet which is disappointing to say the least. There's a lot of tread left on the tyres but obviously their ability to deal with water on the road has diminished a lot.

I’ve had mine for 12000km now and super happy with them. Very low noise on highway too. Can’t say there has been a lot of rain and mostly slow suburb driving when wet so maybe I haven’t noticed that. Overall very happy with the choice... will check in again when I hit 40k

[Graeme]

Mine have barely touched water in their 27K kms so still to be proven but to date they've been perfect for my use. I would however prefer them in 255/60R19 LI 113, the same as the Pirelli Verde AS.

[WhiteD3]

Very low noise on highway too.

I spend a lot of time on the M1 between the GC and Brissy. Its a concrete Hwy and now very noisy with these tyres. Used to be super quiet.

[chuck]

Fitted a set of Nitto Ridge Grapplers to my D5.
275 x 55 x 20
Great Tyre
Good on road & off
Have improved on road performance noticeably
Marginally noisier with radio off at low speed on bitumen - as soon as radio is on can't hear them

[Graeme]

I've spotted that the GG AT3 is made in 255/60R19 LI 113 but they're not on GG's AU website. If I could get them locally I'd get 19" D4 rims for my L322 to give them a try.

[Graeme]

I've also spotted that Toyo have released in the US the Open Country AT3 which is available in 255/60R19 LI 113, although the AT3 doesn't appear to have been released in Oz yet. If imported it might also be a good size for D4s etc to get a little more sidewall and higher load rating for outback touring. 255/55R19 LI 111 is also listed.

[Numb Thumbs]

I am back from a four week trip, visiting the Silo Art Trail in Victoria - all bitumen - then doing the Darling River Run from Wentworth to Lightening Ridge - 700 kms of mixed dirt to Bourke, then mainly bitumen to Lightening Ridge and back to Melbourne. Total of 4,000 kms.

I am using Nitto Trail Grabber 275/55R20 117T. They are much lighter than the Ridge Grapplers. They are very quiet - except on really course bitumen, but then everything is noisy - and handle extremely well on all the surfaces I travelled plus wet and dry bitumen.

They have now done around 12,000 kms.

Cheers
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[homeandaway]

Noticed that nobody has mentioned Atturo's. The reason I'm saying this is that just after I'd done the first major trip I was talking with a guy from the UK who had rallied Range Rovers in the 90's and he also worked for a major tyre company (not Atturo) in the UK. Of course we talked a lot about Land Rovers! Discussing tyres, his recommendation for me was to fit 18" rims with Atturo's. So, I'm interested in thoughts.

My poor TD6 HSE Luxury, purchased in October 2017 has now covered about 88,000 kms (probably 35,000 or so towing a 23' van). I have just about worn out the second set of factory 20" Good Years, so I have a great interest in this post. Do I go 18's with a higher profile tyre or find an more aggressive A/T for the 20" rims? When touring, I'm spending a lot more time on the dirt than I thought I would, although I'm not chasing the roughest, steepest bit of road, but I have found it "challenging" at times dragging the caravan across our great brown land!

There seem to be a lot more low profile A/T's now than in 2017/21018 so I'm wondering if there is a move away from the thinking that only a higher profile tyre should be deflated for dirt/sand/mud/whatever or are the low profiles up to the same task? Looking forward to this discussion.

[Numb Thumbs]

See my post below...

The Trail Grapplers were great.

Cheers
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[Tombie]

These are turning out to be pretty good from people running them here:



Renegade RT+ - Radar Tyres Australia (https://radartyres.com.au/renegade-rt/)

[WhiteD3]

WHEN I finally get the D5 back from the workshop (7 weeks thus far) I need tyres.

The Pirelli all terrain plus 275/55R20 have got 60k on them and are very noisy and slippery in the wet.

I'm looking for a good highway touring tyre that would cope with sand occasionally. I also want to try to stick to the 255/55 as the 275/55 I currently have cause the diff to clunk on tight turns from about 40,000k onward. I assume this is a tyre wear issue as is the noise and slip.

I'm considering Yokohama Geolandar CV G058 255/50R20 or the Cooper SRX 255/55R20. Thoughts, comments?

Cheers.

[Graeme]

I suggest that you get the transfer case and rear diff checked. The larger, slightly wider tyres should have no effect on the drive-line when turning unless there is a drive-line problem, either the centre or rear diff. It may also be the cause of slippery tyres.

[sabljar]

Has anyone gone to a 255/65 R19?

Looking at Tyre calculator the 275/55 R20 has a 31.9" diameter and 6" sidewall. (That according to this thread is possible)
Comparatively 255/65/R19 has "only" 0.2" larger diameter and 0.5" sidewall. (32.1" diameter and 6.5" sidewall)

The Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac comes in this size and I am surprised noone tried it (unless off course it does not fit)
Bob Jane Salesman thinks it would fit.

The other question would be if anyone imported the General Grabber AT3 255/60 R19's as they are available to be purchased/imported from AEW Paddock Motors but with postage being $550 it is quite a waste for me to get them on my own..

Btw, took the Discovery 5 on Fraser Island all the way up to the Sandy Cape with non AT tyres, 255/55 R19s, but it had a light load on and only one passenger in it. With a fully loaded car I would not dare taking it up there on 55's.

[Graeme]

I think that the 255/65R19 Duratrac has only become available with the release of the new Defender as it is a standard size on that vehicle.

If you wanted a less aggressive tread than the Duratrac then you might consider the GY All Terrain Adventure in 255/65R19.

[sabljar]

Thanks Graeme,

from your response I am assuming that you also think that it would "fit" and that it would not have an issue with grinding on the sidewall when turning / driving when reduced.

[Graeme]

275/55R20 is a popular size fitted to the D5 so 255/65R19 should be OK with its slightly narrowed tread.

[Tombie]

275/55R20 is a popular size fitted to the D5 so 255/65R19 should be OK with its slightly narrowed tread.

Should be slightly better on fuel etc too

[Graeme]

Maybe better fuel economy but they run fairly high ratio diffs with the 8-speed so maybe not especially if towing.

[Tombie]

Maybe better fuel economy but they run fairly high ratio diffs with the 8-speed so maybe not especially if towing.

I meant compared to the wider tyre.

[Graeme]

Sorry, wrong assumption on my part and totally agree. I'm giving some consideration to swapping to that size on my L322 to get the narrower footprint although I'd really like 255/60R19 in a useful for me construction and pattern to also lower the gearing a little.

[sabljar]

Thanks a lot for the feedback, might try them then :)

[sabljar]

Got the Duratrac 255/65R19 and they fit. Happy :)

[Elljo]

Any more news regarding other options in the 255/60 R19 tyre size?

Today I went into my local Tyrepower to get a replacement for my front passenger side tyre which has a leak (I have the Goodyear F1 Eagles fitted from new, 35k km) and was told that there are none of this tyre currently available in Australia!!

The Pirelli Scorpion Verde (the only other tyre type available in that size) are out of stock in Perth and will take a week to get here from the East Coast!!

This isn't my latest angst regarding this tyre size as I blew one in Karrajini NP in August and was stuck in Broome for 10 days waiting for an interstate replacement. If I had a dollar for every time someone said 'should have bought a Prado........' [bigsad]

So anyway I had been talking to LR in Perth about changing to the 20inch (20x8.5 +39) rims that were apparently an option when I bought the car in 2017, so that my tyre options were (slightly) improved. Today they quoted me $2000 per wheel fitted (including a Grabber AT3). So $12k if I want 6 wheels!!! They also advised me against fitting any other wheels other than original LRs. The phrase 'cheap Chinese copies' was used.

The bloke in Tyrepower said that I could legally fit a 275 55 R19 (I realise I'd need all 5 changed, and my diameter and width would grow a little, which worries me slightly) but there are no real AT options available in that size anyway, although there is a wider range of 'highway tyres.

So a couple of questions, and apologies in advance for my ignorance, I'm not a real techie person; am I only allowed to fit wheels and tyre sizes as per my door plate? (Which would exclude the 275 55 R19 btw). Would 2nd hand original LR rims from a RRS or Disco Sport be ok as long as they matched the door plate sizes? Is there another option than LR original wheels that wouldn't be classed as cheap overseas copies? Would I be invalidating any warranty etc fitting non-LR wheels? Any suggestions for reputable brands?

Thanks in advance

Jon

[BobD]

The tyre shop next door to Barbagallos in Ossie Park has cheap alloy 20 inch rims for Land Rovers. I bought one for a second spare on my L405 RRV and put 275x55 R20 Nitto Grappler tyre on it for around $500 - $600 all up from memory. That was after I was quoted $2000 per wheel also. It is the one in Scarborough Beach Rd near the corner of Frobisher. The wheel looks very similar to the LR 20 inch wheel.

[Numb Thumbs]

You must, legally, only fit the correct wheels, not any 20" wheel with the Land Rover stud pattern. It must be the correct offset as well. Wheels from other Land Rover /Range Rover vehicles will probably have a different offset, so make sure they are the correct ones.

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

PS The wheels from Tuffant must be the ones made specifically for the D5 and there are even different ones for different years.

[Numb Thumbs]

From memory, 20 mm wider and 5 % increase in diameter for cars and 50 mm diameter increase for 4WD - and the definition of "4WD" can be fun...

Cheers
Numb Thumbs ;)

[Numb Thumbs]

DISCOVERY 5 | TuffAnt (https://www.tuffant.com/discovery5)

The TuffAnt Alloy ET27's fit all model D5's up to and including MY20. The below information pertains only to the TuffAnt Steelies (offset ET27).

STEELIES.
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If you have an MY19 model or later SD6 (HiPo) version you will not be able to fit TuffAnt Steelies without modification. The good news is that at this point the new Generation 2 Steel wheel will fit every other Discovery 5.
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As always, if you are not sure, please drop us a line or give us a call during business hours and we would love to help you out. Checkout the Fitment table also for detailed information about what wheels will and wont fit.

Cheers
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[Elljo]

Thanks everyone

I may have sourced some used LR 20" rims, I'll make sure I check the offset. The door plate has +39 and +47 offsets for a 20" rim, so I'm guessing as long as the used ones are either of these I'm ok.

On these rims Tyrepower have said that a Mickey Thomson AT38 will work (the Grabber AT3 is out of stock in Perth!), but this is a 285/50 R20 rather than the 255/60 r19 I have now. Has anyone used tried a 285mm on a D5? There is a 285/40 r22 option on the door plate so I'm guessing it works ok for clearances etc?

I'm driving over to NSW from WA next week which is why you may be getting a sense of urgency vibe.....[bigsmile]

Jon

[Graeme]

If you're changing to 20" then why not fit 275/55R20 which is within the allowable oversize limit and there are quite a few tyre options in this size. People have reported that this size fits in the spare wheel well too.

[Elljo]

If you're changing to 20" then why not fit 275/55R20 which is within the allowable oversize limit and there are quite a few tyre options in this size. People have reported that this size fits in the spare wheel well too.


Thanks Graeme

I was thinking that the 285/50R20 only gives a 5mm increase in total diameter whereas the 275/55R20 is a 23mm increase....

Jon

[Elljo]

So the 20" rims I found turned out to be 8.5 x 20 ET58 which I can't even work out where they might of come from with that offset. Maybe a mid-2000's RR?

So I'm back to square one [tonguewink]

Jon

[Elljo]

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If anyone's interested in the end I bought a set of Tuffant 18"alloys and fitted them with Falken Wildpeak A/T 265/65 r18s. At full lock it's a close fit with the front wheel arch but still about 10mm clearance.

Jon

[MWM Disco]

Somebody mentioned Tuffant wheels, does anybody know the answer to this then?

The D5 has a significantly different offset - so much so that the Compomotive Group has had to make a new wheel offset otherwise the allows hit the control arms under articulation.

What offset are Tuffant and are they making a different offset to accomodate the D5?


Tuffant have 2 styles of 8 inch x 18 inch alloy rims for D5. They are E27 and E39 offsets. They recommend 265/65/R18 tyres.

[MWM Disco]

Tuffant have 2 styles of 8 inch x 18 inch alloy rims for D5. They are E27 and E39 offsets. They recommend 265/65/R18 tyres.


Make that E27 and E29 offsets!

[Graeme]

In case anyone is looking for 19" AT tyres, Tempe Tyres in Sydney have the GG AT3 in 255/60R19 LI 113 back in stock. I have these on my L322, replacing Pirelli AT+ 275/55R20 also LI113. The GGs give a harsher ride so the tread and/or the sidewalls must be stiffer.